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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: brian1925 on April 16, 2016, 04:55:49 PM
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I've not started a thread for years, but surely NOW is the time to advertise for a new manager. We are down. Let the new man have a look at what we've got. Let him get to know the team, so he can chat to those lads he wants to stay. Let there be a positive focus for the fans forum next week. Please Mr Rowley, at least let's see who is available. Give us some bloody hope.
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We should have done this originally however we cant change that now
You would struggle to properly recruit in a week in my opinion with the advertising and interviews and selection etc
However i agree lets crack on
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I'd suggest inviting applications immediately and invite the best/shortlisted candidates to cast an eye on us in the next two games. Who knows it might kick start the f**king season. Unless somebody has already been sounded out, it needs to happen now without delay. Nobody could rightly expect a win at Eastleigh, but this could and should have been avoided.
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http://m.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/Lincoln-City-manager-latest-Ferriby-boss-Billy/story-29130391-detail/story.html
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... leaving Lee Sinnott to go to N Ferriby which is on his doorstep)
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... leaving Lee Sinnott to go to N Ferriby which is on his doorstep)
They'd be silly not to offer him the job.
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Feriby last year won the trophy this season are 2nd they should want someone better
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Whatever we may think of Lee Sinnott, he has twice led clubs out of Conference North into Conference National. I guess that is Ferriby's aim. His living local is just a bonus for them. Who we'll get, God only knows.
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Whatever we may think of Lee Sinnott, he has twice led clubs out of Conference . Who we'll get, God only knows.
im not god but I'd guess Tolson
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Sadly Jim, I think your right. I'll have to find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon.
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I'm confident he'll resign after Braintree
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Ah, but are you confident it will be accepted?
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Caretaker manager until the end of the season, so technically nobody needs to resign.
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I'm confident he won't be manger come May.
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I'm pretty certain he will be, I'm sure will find out more on Saturday
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I'm confident he won't be manger come May.
See, I was fairly sure we wouldn't be naive enough to keep him in charge. However the more I consider things, the more I feel there's a chance we could be. I don't think its coincidental that he's becoming friends on Facebook with the likes of Liam King and Danny Rowe.
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Frank Sinclair is looking for a job , on a serious note maybe LS would fancy NT being his assistant at nfu if that happens.
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I'm confident he won't be manger come May.
See, I was fairly sure we wouldn't be naive enough to keep him in charge. However the more I consider things, the more I feel there's a chance we could be. I don't think its coincidental that he's becoming friends on Facebook with the likes of Liam King and Danny Rowe.
maybe he should've befriended them last summer
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Liam King is everything we have missed this season. He was wares at Matlock years ago and we should have seriously looked at signing him and done everything we could have done to make it possible.
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Would it surprise anyone if NT was made permanent manager?
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Would it surprise anyone if NT was made permanent manager?
With one win in nine , he wouldnt t get the job at any other club in similar circumstanceselse so it would be a surprise.Could see us doing a Telford next season
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One win in nine, with only two of those games against sides not in the bottom half of the table is no yardstick to give anyone the job.
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One win in nine, with only two of those games against sides not in the bottom half of the table is no yardstick to give anyone the job.
Yes, but this is Grahame 'Mr loyalty' Rowley...
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It'll be a board decision rather than one person to be fair, and I'd be very surprised if we haven't a new manager in charge for preseason
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It'll be a board decision rather than one person to be fair, and I'd be very surprised if we haven't a new manager in charge for preseason
was the last appointment a board decision?
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You'd assume so, maybe a question for Saturday night
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One win in nine, with only two of those games against sides not in the bottom half of the table is no yardstick to give anyone the job.
I agree - but playing devils advocate here - he is not working with the right raw materials is he - maybe he could recruit some for next season
Just saying like
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One win in nine, with only two of those games against sides not in the bottom half of the table is no yardstick to give anyone the job.
I agree - but playing devils advocate here - he is not working with the right raw materials is he - maybe he could recruit some for next season
Just saying like
i wonder if he was invlolved in any of the recruitment last summer .. feels like something that 2 people in charge would work on together and agree an approach and strategy
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You'd assume so, maybe a question for Saturday night
ok can you ask it for me? As you know I can't make it
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Would it surprise anyone if NT was made permanent manager?
Not in the slightest, alas.
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It'll be a board decision rather than one person to be fair, and I'd be very surprised if we haven't a new manager in charge for preseason
Can you seriously imagine a scenario in which Grahame Rowley is outvoted on this issue by the other members of our current Board?
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I'm confident he'll resign after Braintree
I suspect that you are in the minority there!
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He'll remain in charge, sign more deadlegs like O'Keefe and Bowerman, and by the time he gets axed in late October we'll be struggling to keep out of the Evostik. I've not been this pissed off with my club since 2000.
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One win in nine, with only two of those games against sides not in the bottom half of the table is no yardstick to give anyone the job.
I agree - but playing devils advocate here - he is not working with the right raw materials is he - maybe he could recruit some for next season
Just saying like
i wonder if he was invlolved in any of the recruitment last summer .. feels like something that 2 people in charge would work on together and agree an approach and strategy
I agree Wayne...............you would like to think it is a joint enterprise - but you never know how it was set up and to what extent the AM has 'a say'
When I read Cloughie's book it was interesting to learn that Peter Taylor went out and scouted the players and also recruited them. In one chapter they discuss the recruitment of Kenny Burns at which point Cloughie says "I am not having that overweight, scruffy, useless waste of space at my club" (or words very similar)......the following season he was PFA Player of the year and Forest were first division champions having been promoted in the Summer
Nice story
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I never thought I'd fans with anti-board and manager banners. But if Tolson is made permanent....
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I would be stunned if it happened totally stunned
Lets hope they have an alternative plan
If we get relegated saturday then that did happen im going into hiding and taking cover
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Kevin Ellison is on the bench at Cambridge tonight as Morecambe trail 5-0 at the break. I know he has designs on going into management.....and I'd take him like a shot because what he lacks in management experience would be more than outweighed by his honesty, guts, and commitment.
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Good to see the scoreline 5-0
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https://youtu.be/wW1617YeeSc
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https://youtu.be/nquVY6Wx_GQ
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Good to see the scoreline 5-0
You'll be delighted with the final 7-0 then.
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Yes Phil but not that delighted,I didn't do the 15 minute walk to see it
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"Neil Tolson provided an insight into the spirit he believes could yet haul Altrincham back from the brink and safeguard their place in the Vanarama National League.
Alty have to beat doomed Welling United at The J.Davidson Stadium on Saturday and hope other results go their way to head into the final game of the season, at Braintree seven days later, with The Great Escape still a possibility.
As he conducted a roll call of fit players, following a 2-0 defeat at Eastleigh, caretaker-boss Tolson backed his squad to rise to the challenge.
'Tim Deasy (right) suffered a slight tear in his thigh at Eastleigh but phoned me up on Sunday to say he would pay for a painkilling injection himself to ensure he could play on Saturday,' he said. 'I'm hoping it won't come to that, but it just shows how desperate these players are to pull things round and get us out of trouble.
'They are not players on the point of giving up. Jake Moult is another example. If you had seen the size of his ankle a week ago, you would have said he won't play again this season. But he put a full 90 minutes in at Eastleigh and has since told me he wants to play against Welling.
'That is the mood among the players, and of course we are in with a shout of staying up, if we can win on Saturday. I remember, as a player, going to Rotherham with York, needing to win and another team to lose, and it panned out that way.
'We stayed up against the odds on the final day, and it can happen again. The frustration for me is we are creating chances but not taking them. But if we keep doing that, keep knocking on the door, it can still turn for us. The worry would be if we weren't creating.
'The players are desperate to play for me and the football club. There has never been an issue on that front. Confidence is the issue, but it is part and parcel of being a footballer that you have to deal with that.' James Phillips is again ruled out with a knee injury, while fellow-winger Ryan Crowther is '90 per cent' likely to miss out with a hamstring problem".
I agree that he has to believe we can still stay up, but there is definitely more to it than a lack of confidence. He certainly doesn't fill me with any confidence.
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"Neil Tolson provided an insight into the spirit he believes could yet haul Altrincham back from the brink and safeguard their place in the Vanarama National League.
Alty have to beat doomed Welling United at The J.Davidson Stadium on Saturday and hope other results go their way to head into the final game of the season, at Braintree seven days later, with The Great Escape still a possibility.
As he conducted a roll call of fit players, following a 2-0 defeat at Eastleigh, caretaker-boss Tolson backed his squad to rise to the challenge.
'Tim Deasy (right) suffered a slight tear in his thigh at Eastleigh but phoned me up on Sunday to say he would pay for a painkilling injection himself to ensure he could play on Saturday,' he said. 'I'm hoping it won't come to that, but it just shows how desperate these players are to pull things round and get us out of trouble.
'They are not players on the point of giving up. Jake Moult is another example. If you had seen the size of his ankle a week ago, you would have said he won't play again this season. But he put a full 90 minutes in at Eastleigh and has since told me he wants to play against Welling.
'That is the mood among the players, and of course we are in with a shout of staying up, if we can win on Saturday. I remember, as a player, going to Rotherham with York, needing to win and another team to lose, and it panned out that way.
'We stayed up against the odds on the final day, and it can happen again. The frustration for me is we are creating chances but not taking them. But if we keep doing that, keep knocking on the door, it can still turn for us. The worry would be if we weren't creating.
'The players are desperate to play for me and the football club. There has never been an issue on that front. Confidence is the issue, but it is part and parcel of being a footballer that you have to deal with that.' James Phillips is again ruled out with a knee injury, while fellow-winger Ryan Crowther is '90 per cent' likely to miss out with a hamstring problem".
I agree that he has to believe we can still stay up, but there is definitely more to it than a lack of confidence. He certainly doesn't fill me with any confidence.
TOLSON TOSH >:( >:( >:(
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What is he supposed to say ?
Would you rather we enter the Welling game with a manager who says "this team are tosh and I reckon we will get beat - text me the score will you because I will be in Costellos"
As unlikely as it is we still have a chance - beat Welling and hope Braintree are reduced to 9 men very soon after KO and results go our way !
The only thing that bugs me with the article is the reference to the Great Escape - we should not be in a position where we need to escape
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If we had have appointed a proper manager we probably would have been safe by now.
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What is he supposed to say ?
Would you rather we enter the Welling game with a manager who says "this team are tosh and I reckon we will get beat - text me the score will you because I will be in Costellos"
As unlikely as it is we still have a chance - beat Welling and hope Braintree are reduced to 9 men very soon after KO and results go our way !
The only thing that bugs me with the article is the reference to the Great Escape - we should not be in a position where we need to escape
he won't be in Costellos it's the Roebuck
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This is all bullsh*t considering the arguments between bench and players during the last two away games. I think the players think as much of the manager as the supporters do
Not that this isn't partly the players fault, but at the end of the day they can't help being sh*t, and they don't pick themselves, so we can only hold management to account
Nice guy Neil Tolson, but in all honesty can anything he says be taken seriously? I have a friend at York City who knows him well, a friend of his, but even he says he's as thick as pig sh*t
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Ha ha
Well - that just confims that he is mad then Jimmy ;D
The Roebuck is a great old fashioned public house and one that deserves to be listed as a 'community asset' such that it cannot be closed without consultation, and Costello's is like a girly wine bar, but one sells consistently great real ale with lots of different choice available and other sells beer that is very 'hit and miss' and you really take your chance on whether or not it is worth the money
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This is all bullsh*t considering the arguments between bench and players during the last two away games. I think the players think as much of the manager as the supporters do
Not that this isn't partly the players fault, but at the end of the day they can't help being sh*t, and they don't pick themselves, so we can only hold management to account
Nice guy Neil Tolson, but in all honesty can anything he says be taken seriously? I have a friend at York City who knows him well, a friend of his, but even he says he's as thick as pig sh*t
C'mon Woofer........we know the name of the game is 'spin' at times
I repeat, what else is he to say going into the last two games needing to win both ?
The pig $hit bit doesn't matter either...........plenty of 'non-academic' managers out there I reckon who are cutting the mustard at the moment and many who have been a success at this level in the past who would not beat 'The Chaser' (Steve Evans for example)
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Nothing else he can say or do - other than resign
Sure he is doing his best, but so would I or even my wife. Doesn't mean it's acceptable
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The general mood amongst many supporters is that we probably could have avoided being in the position we are in if things had been done differently.......What those different things are can be debated for a long time to come.
However right now I think the caretaker manager has to stay upbeat (at least publicly) whatever we think about him or anything else at the moment......I guess that is why many of our magnificant supporters will travel all the way to Braintree on the 30th April.
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I think the problem here though is the circumstances in which NT was given the job. He was 'given a chance' out of loyalty, admirable sentiments I suppose but taken over the priority of what would necessarily be best for the club in the circumstances. This is what has upset a great many people, and more importantly sapped their enthusiasm and belief, and it would greatly help matters if the board acknowledged this mistake rather than compounding it.
Bearing that in mind, after 1 win in 9 games (that may at best become 2 in 11) and the teams performances having deteriorated under his watch - notwithstanding a plea that he just needs a bit of a clear out, his own new signings and a clear pre season - if NT were to be given the job for next season the only logical conclusion to draw would be he was given it for the original reasons and or he is pally with the board/chairman. Which would be woeful and could only lead to the same (relative) standard of unacceptable performance.
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I'll just say that while the selections and tactics have been ok (ish) the team aren't playing for him or playing well at all, they're not trying hard enough (you need to be really going an extra yard now). I'm not interested of they're arguing (although it doesn't help) but these are the facts we see before us, staring us in the face.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is in cloud cuckoo land.
I don't mind the bollocks NT has spouted here like. This should've been said at the start rather than I can't promise any improvement in results or performances it's just too little too late now and actions have already spoken rather than these words.
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The real question is : Did Tolson get the job because he's a nice chap and well in with the board, or because he was already there and represented a cheap option ?
I rather fear it's the latter, and it'll take a few more Bill Watersons to miraculously appear before we get this club back on track.
I'm convinced he'll still be in charge at the start of next season and a top half finish in North is the best we can expect. My glass is more than half empty, and is leaking.
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As there has been zero action from the board i assume our performances and indeed relegation are perfectly acceptable to the board so im guessing neil will be in charge next season...in which case i wont be turning up to watch more of the same....i can see gates slumping to sub 500....
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The real question is : Did Tolson get the job because he's a nice chap and well in with the board, or because he was already there and represented a cheap option ?
I rather fear it's the latter, and it'll take a few more Bill Watersons to miraculously appear before we get this club back on track.
I'm convinced he'll still be in charge at the start of next season and a top half finish in North is the best we can expect. My glass is more than half empty, and is leaking.
I'm not so sure. There does appear to be a culture of putting friends/family in important positions within the club. Now this is all well and good if it can be demonstrably proved that they are the best people for the job, but I fail to see how this is possible when no selection process is even entered into. It's one thing to be seen as a family run, friendly club, but quite another if that approach is actually to the detriment of the club itself.
I don't think for one second think that Graham or the board wanted us to be in a position to be relegated. They probably thought given our relatively easy (on paper at least) run-in that even if they did appoint Neil we would surely pick up enough points to see us safe. This has of course proved to be (barring a miracle of Lazarus proportions) somewhat misguided at best.
I'd be interested to see what happens at the forum, although I strongly suspect people will not hear what they want to hear and could probably predict the answers to their questions now.
To quote The Strangles 'Something better change'.
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Dougie Freedman is out of collar and lives local. Knows fuk about non league though
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Dougie Freedman is out of collar and lives local. Knows fuk about non league though
So is Paul Dickov
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Dougie Freedman is out of collar and lives local. Knows fuk about non league though
think it would be fairer Glyn to say probably knows f**k about non league,he maybe clued up on it
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The real question is : Did Tolson get the job because he's a nice chap and well in with the board, or because he was already there and represented a cheap option ?
I rather fear it's the latter, and it'll take a few more Bill Watersons to miraculously appear before we get this club back on track.
I'm convinced he'll still be in charge at the start of next season and a top half finish in North is the best we can expect. My glass is more than half empty, and is leaking.
I'm not so sure. There does appear to be a culture of putting friends/family in important positions within the club. Now this is all well and good if it can be demonstrably proved that they are the best people for the job, but I fail to see how this is possible when no selection process is even entered into. It's one thing to be seen as a family run, friendly club, but quite another if that approach is actually to the detriment of the club itself.
I don't think for one second think that Graham or the board wanted us to be in a position to be relegated. They probably thought given our relatively easy (on paper at least) run-in that even if they did appoint Neil we would surely pick up enough points to see us safe. This has of course proved to be (barring a miracle of Lazarus proportions) somewhat misguided at best.
I'd be interested to see what happens at the forum, although I strongly suspect people will not hear what they want to hear and could probably predict the answers to their questions now.
To quote The Strangles 'Something better change'.
I think it is a complete mixture of the all of those points. Tols is well in with the board and CSH, so they've given the job to a mate. They've probably also thought that this is the cheapest option and given our "easy" run in it wouldn't matter too much.
The fact is, any one of these reasons is the wrong basis to appoint a new manager. All three together is, to quote the BFG "a catasterous disastrophe!"
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Not got involved in this debate for a number of reasons (too much going on in the outside world) plus I have been travelling hundreds of miles to watch predictable defeats (more on that later) but a few have asked me my thoughts and it struck me today that not getting involved might be seen as me wanting Neil Tolson to be manager next year, which I don't.
Stop reading if I bore you as this could be a long one.
A decision was made to make Neil the manager until the end of the season. The announcement and the PR was handled badly, he set it off on the wrong foot with his "no promises" interview and results have shown that the decision was ultimately a mistake.
It didn't work out, although the consequences are harsh we all make decisions in life and business that don't work out. I disagree with Jim that he should not have applied for a job he wasn't qualified for, he has been the assistant for five years and must have felt that he could do it and he took his chance. The board felt he could do it and I don't doubt he has given his all.
In terms of performance they haven't been awful and we haven't been 5-0'd all over the show, the players have tried but they haven't put bodies on the line for their leader because there is no leader.
I've not seen arguments between the players and the management, although I don't doubt there may have been some if it was seen on Radio Robins. Bet they weren't too fierce as we are the quietest nicest team ever. It is all too predictable on the field, I was one of the drivers to Torquay on the bus and I didn't think we would get a thing and I'm not sure many others on it did either. That's fine at Eastleigh, their players man for man are 10 times better than ours and they pay for that, however it is not acceptable at what to an outsider is a game that we must and can win for me to know we just won't. If I have no hope, we're properly knackered!
I don't believe that Neil Tolson will be manager next season because as I understand it he is caretaker manager until the end of the season. Therefore he has to be appointed manager for next season. If he wants to put his application in then that is his choice. However applications have to be invited. If they are not invited then that is wrong. We have made one mistake, let's not do it again. It has to happen that way.
The second reason he won't be manager is that no manager should in my opinion stay after a relegation. It's not all his fault we have gone down but as well as sealing it he also played his part in getting us into the mess in the first place. You start the next season with this seasons baggage. I don't agree with Jezza's sub 500 crowd post because we no longer know all the people in the ground anymore like the olden days, it's not fair to try and speak for hundreds of fans. However I don't know anyone who does want him to have another crack at it.
And finally, when emotions are taken out of it his CV and results of this tenure are not good enough. I don't expect us to beat Eastleigh but we have had at least 5 games where we had our chance and have not taken one of them.
I don't doubt he has tried, he is a decent bloke with feelings for the club after 5 years of hard work and I wish him no ill but he would be a fool to take this on next season even if offered. It we go 1-0 down to Gainsborough on 20 mins the whole thing starts up again. It isn't worth it for anyone.
We need a new lift, a new manager and some different faces on the field. I'm utterly bored of seeing half of these players now (not all lads but I ain't listing them yet), new blood is needed. That lift gives a lift to fundraising as well and that is certainly needed. Talk of cancelling the race night, a fundraiser that people have donated to and needs support rather than a joyous "who cares if we go down" celebration, shows that raising money is way down the list and that has to change.
So I believe we will get a new manager, I won't allow myself to consider what happens if we don't.
Finally, I really hope that when we get a new manager he is given more respect than Lee Sinnott was from the off and is given some time to put his mark on it. I genuinely think this modern internet culture of the race to be first to make the smart quip or be outraged will be very sad if we don't afford the new bloke some time.
I can almost see the posts now of "what's he won" or "look at his record here five years ago". People set up against Sinnott and were forced to stick with it, even when we lost about 1 home game in 18 months and won 5-0 quite often people weren't happy. That worries me deeply, let's hope I am proved wrong (don't want to start a Sinnott debate!)
And even more finally, I really hope that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here. We have had (FA cup aside and a couple of good home wins early doors) a poor season culminating in a bad decision that has lead to a relegation that saddens me. The board made a mistake and boy have they been told.
However lets not forget that they are volunteers working for our club, fans like us who have been around years as well. This isn't some faceless £50,000 a year CEO that is under fire here. The work they have done should not be wiped out and they should at least be afforded the respect of answering some questions on Saturday. Likewise the CSH shouldn't be dragged into, that could well be the platform that allows us to get back up that we didn't have in recent years.
It's a mess but at some point we have to draw a line under it and move on and start to rebuild. Won't be just yet but we have to. That starts with a new manager for me....
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Great post mate ^^^^
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Pretty much bang on Ecky
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Great post i think most of the sinnout stuff was in jest
But some certainly was not
But lets be clear heathcote got the same treatment
Some people simply have no grasp of football or leadership.
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Great post i think most of the sinnout stuff was in jest
But some certainly was not
But lets be clear heathcote got the same treatment
Some people simply have no grasp of football or leadership.
Heathecote got nowhere near the amount of stick Sinnott got. We hadn't even played a pre-season friendly and people were judging him and calling him a disgrace.
Most of the I'll feelin towards GH was towards the end of his tenure, not at the beginning.
I agree a lot of the Sinnout stuff was in jest, but it came from people mocking the ones with a vendetta against him. And it was a vendetta, whether they claim otherwise or not.
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Great post i think most of the sinnout stuff was in jest
But some certainly was not
But lets be clear heathcote got the same treatment
Some people simply have no grasp of football or leadership.
Heathecote got nowhere near the amount of stick Sinnott got. We hadn't even played a pre-season friendly and people were judging him and calling him a disgrace.
Most of the I'll feelin towards GH was towards the end of his tenure, not at the beginning.
I agree a lot of the Sinnout stuff was in jest, but it came from people mocking the ones with a vendetta against him. And it was a vendetta, whether they claim otherwise or not.
not completely true I went the first game at Bursough when Heathcote took over and the vast majority did not celebrate the 3 goals because they were not happy he took over from Bernard
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You're right Jimmy, Heathcote's appointment wasn't celebrated largely because it was very similar to how and why Tolson was appointed - because he was mates with Rowley and he had been been waiting for Bernard to get sacked for several weeks. Although Heathcote was a playing legend and had a good coaching record, he didn't start off well and was divisive throughout even though he was largely successful.
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You are bang on however he did start well he won his first 3 games and eventually took the team from bottom to about 10th to qualify for the new conference north,however like Sinnott his end justified him going.
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Sorry, I meant he didn't start well, supporters view wise. He did well in his first season and if we hadn't have qualified Conf North that season god knows where we would be now.
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Sorry, I meant he didn't start well, supporters view wise. He did well in his first season and if we hadn't have qualified Conf North that season god knows where we would be now.
forgot about that !
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Sorry, I meant he didn't start well, supporters view wise. He did well in his first season and if we hadn't have qualified Conf North that season god knows where we would be now.
although he was mates with the chairman and Bernard was popular it was the correct decision
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It was right that Bernard was replaced but not necessarily by Heathcote at the time, we could have advertised the post, although hindsight would say it was the right decision.
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Fair point
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Excellent post....can i just point out my prediction of sub 500 gates was only if nothing changed....it would be a disaster if the new faces on the terraces lost interest having been attracted by the excellent community side of the clubs work.
The new faces on the terraces and the growth in replica shirts seen around the town has been a real positive and the club should be applauded for this as much as they get slated for things that havent worked.
A new manager and fresh faces on the pitch we can have an exciting season culminating in another 5000 gate celebrating promotion.
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Excellent post Ecky.
I agree with your sentiments, we must remember there are few paid people working at the club and are all primarily volunteers. I think its amazing what we actually achieve when you consider it.
Long live the Robins.
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see main site, chester have got in early for next season
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Ecky that is such a good intelligent post, I wish I had written it.
Relegation or not I will still follow this club to the end of the earth.
Give it your all lads for the remaining two games.