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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Bath Alty on April 12, 2016, 09:23:22 PM
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So many are moaning about so many things but if you had to pick one which would you go for?
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What about no manager for the past few months.
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It's a cycle. Without Injuries and griffith we probably wouldn't be in a relegation battle.
Lee got it wrong by not strengthening in key areas earlier on in the season. We could have picked up 5 more points earlier on.
By appointing NT we put the final nail in the coffin.
For me, the fault of our relegation lies squarely with the board who got it so wrong by keeping tolson. They could have been the ones to stop the rot.
Ultimately the board because we still had Welling Kiddy Southport Halifax Torquay all to play and failed to bring in a manager who could keep us up.
This one decision could have been avoided, and may well have tarnished the hard word and sacrifice put in each week by the Rowley family.
This summer the board - if they wish to stay - need to repair the broken relationship caused by this decision. Not an easy process.
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It was the Chairman's decision to give the job to a man with a poor managerial record, partly responsible for putting the current squad together and wasn't even sure if he could do the job. He gave his friend the job and we have gone backwards, because of blinded loyalty.
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There is not a single reason they are numerous
1. Poor recruitment bar deasy and rankine .. home work was not done
2. Very unlucky with injuries
3. A manager who lost interest and the dressing room
4. We took the easy decision and paid the price
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Has to be the board appointing NT, was many other ills before then. But appointing a proper manager could of kept us up
Nepotism has done for us
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There is not a single reason they are numerous
1. Poor recruitment bar deasy and rankine .. home work was not done
2. Very unlucky with injuries
3. A manager who lost interest and the dressing room
4. We took the easy decision and paid the price
You forgot to add the bad refs ;)
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There is not a single reason they are numerous
1. Poor recruitment bar deasy and rankine .. home work was not done
2. Very unlucky with injuries
3. A manager who lost interest and the dressing room
4. We took the easy decision and paid the price
You forgot to add the bad refs ;)
ha ha i dont waste my time on poor officials .. the decisons normally have a way of panning out over the season either way
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Not having the budget to compete in the National league has to be a factor
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Had we not had the run of injuries (including the useless Griffith) we might have had more points on the board by the beginning of 2016, and wouldn't have slid all the way down. Poor recruitment runs it close though. I don't really blame Tolson's appointment as the sh*t had hit the fan well before then.
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With the fixtures at the end of the season we would've got out of it if we picked a proper manager,Christ we might've stayed up with Sinnott
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The 2 big ones are injuries and the board appointing Tols. Nothing against him at all and I think he's been a very good assistant to Lee but it looks as though it was too much of a step up to keep us in the national
I think the board have to acknowledge they've got it wrong by not appointing someone with a lot more experience in keeping a team up in this league.
Just want to add as well that it's a poisoned chalice this job at the moment and I doubt many managers could keep us up as it is. The state of tonight's bench highights that.
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Not having the budget to compete in the National league has to be a factor
not really do you think our budget has been that uncompetitive?
If so who's fault is that?
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With the fixtures at the end of the season we would've got out of it if we picked a proper manager,Christ we might've stayed up with Sinnott
this ^^we had 36 points still at play
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With the fixtures at the end of the season we would've got out of it if we picked a proper manager,Christ we might've stayed up with Sinnott
I think Lee would have just about kept us up this year and with players back next season would have kicked on which is a real shame. With a fit squad I reckon we'd have finished around 16th this season comfortably. As it is, the league is so poor that even the Altrincham Fringe team are still in with a small shout of staying up
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With the fixtures at the end of the season we would've got out of it if we picked a proper manager,Christ we might've stayed up with Sinnott
I think Lee would have just about kept us up this year and with players back next season would have kicked on which is a real shame. With a fit squad I reckon we'd have finished around 16th this season comfortably. As it is, the league is so poor that even the Altrincham Fringe team are still in with a small shout of staying up
your kidding yourself there
We only have 2 conference standard players at the club (now)
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With the fixtures at the end of the season we would've got out of it if we picked a proper manager,Christ we might've stayed up with Sinnott
I think Lee would have just about kept us up this year and with players back next season would have kicked on which is a real shame. With a fit squad I reckon we'd have finished around 16th this season comfortably. As it is, the league is so poor that even the Altrincham Fringe team are still in with a small shout of staying up
your kidding yourself there
We only have 2 conference standard players at the club (now)
The bottom 6 or 7 clubs aren't really conference standard though and I agree it would be close. Big changes needed in the summer whichever league we're in
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In what has been one of the worst leagues in living memory, we are in actual danger of coming bottom. We are only 6 points clear of bottom place, with Welling still left to beat us.
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If sinnot would have stayed we'd be exactly where we are
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If sinnot would have stayed we'd be exactly where we are
Not even Sinnott would have been stupid enough to leave Reeves and Ginelley out of a must win game
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Not having the budget to compete in the National league has to be a factor
not really do you think our budget has been that uncompetitive?
If so who's fault is that?
Bottom eight budget maybe bottom six, not really the boards fault ?
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Surely we must have been in this mess before the board got the chance to appoint NT otherwise LS wouldn't have left ?
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Surely we must have been in this mess before the board got the chance to appoint NT otherwise LS wouldn't have left ?
LS saw what was coming (of his own making) and jumped ship
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Surely we must have been in this mess before the board got the chance to appoint NT otherwise LS wouldn't have left ?
what mess ? Not much wrong according to this interview https://youtu.be/f44cwcug5-8
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If sinnot would have stayed we'd be exactly where we are
Not even Sinnott would have been stupid enough to leave Reeves and Ginelley out of a must win game
He did bench Reeves. Every game was a must win from January
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Not having the budget to compete in the National league has to be a factor
not really do you think our budget has been that uncompetitive?
If so who's fault is that?
Bottom eight budget maybe bottom six, not really the boards fault ?
sorry did you say bottom 8 budget or bottom 3 budget?
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The board replaced a inept manager with one totally out of his depth it is the boards fault
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Not having the budget to compete in the National league has to be a factor
not really do you think our budget has been that uncompetitive?
If so who's fault is that?
Bottom eight budget maybe bottom six, not really the boards fault ?
sorry did you say bottom 8 budget or bottom 3 budget?
either way its not competitive enough although dover and braintree maybe part time , Dover at least have a big budget
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The board replaced a inept manager with one totally out of his depth it is the boards fault
Disagree that Sinnott was inept. Obviously not good enough in the 2nd part of this season but he'd done a more than decent job up to then.
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I think the players must also feature in the " blame game ", especially Lawrie, Crowther, O'Keefe and Sinnott. All of them useless, out of their depth but not their fault they have been picked to play. That is down to Sinnott and Tolson.
ABSOLUTE SHAMBLES >:( >:(
Oh, and please do not mention the long term injuries as an excuse for playing them.
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Sinnott has done ok for me doubt he will stay any way
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I put my post mortem in several weeks ago - and it is a sequence of events for me
Poor Summer recruitment in first place leaving us with a weak squad
Unlucky with injuries
Then failure to replace injured key players which I assume is down to having no money - I really doubt we would be in this position with a fit Dens, Clee and Marshall
If any of the above had not happened or in the latter case happened, then all the stuff with Lee Sinnott / Neil Tolson would not be an issue at the moment ie maybe no cause for LS to walk or need to find a replacement to salvage matters with ten games to go
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So far this vote is being won by injuries,therefore are fans still don't find anybody accountable they just put it down to bad luck
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Sinnott has done ok for me doubt he will stay any way
he may of done ok in a third bottom team, but he isn't good enough for conference national
Being ok is not enough at this level
And that is where the problem is, we started the season with an inept manager after an inept summer of signings, that follwed by injuries which merely highlighted the dreadful summer recruitment which in turn wasn't dealt with early enough by a poor manager with no ideas who ultimately jumped ship because he was out of his depth. Leaving his feeble assistant to try and produce a miracle because he is a nice loyal guy and the chairmans friend
Farce of a club, many will not forgive the club for how they have let things come to this. Trust? Respect? You can decide
But the club is in a dreadful place now, and your crucified if you say so
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So far this vote is being won by injuries,therefore are fans still don't find anybody accountable they just put it down to bad luck
Domino effect Jimmy. The injuries were the initial cause of our trouble.....without them the rest of the crap just might not have happened.
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The squad was to small to cope with any injuries,so that is another reason the full backs this season have been a moderate midfielder and a man who has put on 3 stone
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The blame rests fairly and squarely at the board, or more importantly the Chairman. He/they let Sinnott go on for so out ng, then made 2 awful decisions, firstly letting Sinnott go before the end of season and secondly by effectively not replacing him. We have also not looked visibly for investment and so not moved forward as a club. Bill Waterson's plan is what should have been implemented following last year's successful season or the one before and the board/club may have become stale. New ideas desperately needed.
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With the fixtures at the end of the season we would've got out of it if we picked a proper manager,Christ we might've stayed up with Sinnott
As it is, the league is so poor that even the Altrincham Fringe team are still in with a small shout of staying up
Very true.
The standard of this league has deteriorated markedly.
We've managed to scramble the meagre sum of merely six points out of a possible total of 24 since the unjustifiable promotion of Tolson and yet, somehow, all is not yet lost.
Halifax's defeat at Kidderminster was the only piece of good news last evening and they do face what looks to be a tough run-in including away games at Cheltenham and FGR respectively, a visit from play-off hopefuls Eastleigh and the finale of a home match against Macc.
On the sanguine premise that we can actually contrive to overcome Welling at the J Davidson Stadium, the prospect of us having to pray for a Macc victory on the final Saturday still exists.
Desperate times, indeed.
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With the fixtures at the end of the season we would've got out of it if we picked a proper manager,Christ we might've stayed up with Sinnott
As it is, the league is so poor that even the Altrincham Fringe team are still in with a small shout of staying up
Very true.
The standard of this league has deteriorated markedly.
We've managed to scramble the meagre sum of merely six points out of a possible total of 24 since the unjustifiable promotion of Tolson and yet, somehow, all is not yet lost.
Halifax's defeat at Kidderminster was the only piece of good news last evening and they do face what looks to be a tough run-in including away games at Cheltenham and FGR respectively, a visit from play-off hopefuls Eastleigh and the finale of a home match against Macc.
On the sanguine premise that we can actually contrive to overcome Welling at the J Davidson Stadium, the prospect of us having to pray for a Macc victory on the final Saturday still exists.
Desperate times, indeed.
Indeed.................It's not looking good at all, but still the fat lady refuses to sing
A win against Welling and a point away, and if the other duffers continue their poor form...........who knows?
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of that list I would say the main reasons are
Poor Summer recruitment
No replacement early enough for the injuries
and one that wasn't on the list .... Not playing Damo Reeves enough.
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On this vote it says the board for appointing Tolson,in reality it was Rowley and Rowley alone who made that appointment
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On this vote it says the board for appointing Tolson,in reality it was Rowley and Rowley alone who made that appointment
If so then that makes it even worse. Why have a board...
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Because we like having plenty of people in Alty ties in the social club that is bigger than it needs to be
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Because we like having plenty of people in Alty ties in the social club that is bigger than it needs to be
If the board doesn't have a say in major decisions they aren't doing their job.
If they are then they got it wrong and all the blame should not fall on graham
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Very True Romeo48.
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I'm not in a position to say where the overall failings lie. I think as Wayne said earlier in the thread, though, there are more than likely a number of contributory factors.
However, what I find hard to reconcile is the recent interviews with Neil Tolson where he keeps intimating that there is basically nothing wrong. Is this just a smokescreen to try and maintain unity within the squad or does he actually believe that not a lot is wrong with the way we are playing? Tols is quite clearly a really nice guy and has done his best ever since he joined the club, but it does appear to me that we missed a big opportunity when LS left to move on from a regime where things had stopped working and gone stale.
I hate saying it, but I cannot see us winning again this season and, further to our relegation troubles, I genuinely fear for what next season holds for us. I long to be proved wrong and for Tolson to lead the team to three straight wins, but I just can't see it happening.
I'm not normally one to lean towards the negative side of things, but today is a very bad day to be an Alty fan.
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this sums up my feelings for club right now.
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this sums up my feelings for club right now.
Me too Jack. So disillusioned that I can't be arsed to go to home games even though I have a season ticket.
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Its hard to pinpoint one reason as to why its come to this, for me its more an amalgamation of everything. I suppose you can try and set it out chronologically.
For the most part we competed comfortably at this level during 2014/2015. That league was much stronger than this one. We replaced Carl Rodgers with Peter Cavanagh, and additions like Sean Williams and Ryan Crowther turned out to be genuine squad improvements.
Losing the last four games of that season without looking remotely arsed about it was the beginning of a complacency rot. That rot continued into the 2015/2016 pre season when we replaced Peter Cavanagh with Anthony Griffith, and brought in the likes of Josh O'Keefe and George Bowerman as well advertised 'improvements.' Lazy signings that have ultimately defined the season.
Signing Michael Rankine was the wrong decision, too. Admittedly he's scored us some goals this season but I wouldn't say he's justified the money he's most likely on. He's been over-praised because he's been surrounded by consistent under-performers, making him look better than he is. He's a lazy player and a moaner, here to be the first name in the XI. Absolutely daft considering we have always had a prolific, proven goalscorer at the club in Damian Reeves. The money could have been spent elsewhere. Kyle Perry did enough during 2014/2015 to keep his place in the squad, it was only Steven Gillespie that needed replacing in my eyes.
Didn't we get lucky with Tim Deasy, though. Lucky in the sense that if we'd have lost Stuart Coburn for this long during 2014/2015 we'd have been in big trouble. That man has undoubtedly been our player of the season and without him our fate would have been sealed in early March.
So ultimately we started the 2015/2016 season having taken steps back in key areas within the squad. Still, I think we were all fairly confident that we had enough about us to be competitive in the Conference once again? I certainly was at the time. We ran Forest Green very close in the opening game, who have gone on to finish second. The Guiseley game was a shambles but we went on to record wins over Grimsby, Tranmere and Cheltenham. There was obviously enough about us to suggest we were fine, we just needed to sort out our performances against the sides we'd be scrapping with come Spring. Except we didn't.
We may be unbeaten against the current sides in the bottom four, but we've only actually recorded a victory against one team in the bottom 9. Boreham Wood. The failure to pick up the key points has once again put us in huge trouble, just as it did last season where if it wasn't for our form against the top half. 2014/2015 saw us pick up the points where those other teams did not, 2015/2016 has seen us just not pick up any points at all.
Now that would be disgraceful if Lee Sinnott had a complete squad at his disposal all season, but we were dealt an extremely poor hand with the injuries to Shaun Densmore, Tom Marshall and Nicky Clee. In Densmore we lost the only real leader we have in the squad, in Marshall we lost a marshal and most importantly of all without Clee we have had zero creativity and spark.
The role Anthony Griffith was signed to play should have been replaced the moment he did us over. Instead we dropped Jake Moult there. A right-back should have been brought in the moment we knew the extent of Densmore's injury. Instead we dropped Jordan Sinnott there. Likewise with Clee, we persevered with him when he was obviously very unfit. A Josh Ginnelly should have been signed instantly, and Clee should have been given time to rehabilitate. Instead we've ended up losing him for the season.
The failure to accept what we were sliding into as a result of these injuries has been catastrophic. There was an "it'll be alright next week" attitude around Christmas time with promising performances away at Tranmere pulling the wool over people's eyes. They made it seem like we weren't far away from where we needed to be, but all the while we were naming benches full of kids who had about as much chance of playing as I did. Not only did that give us no viable options to change games, but we started to run the same players into the ground week after week after week. While teams around us were upgrading, replacing and fitting square pegs into square holes we were making do with what we had in the hope that things would get better. Those of us who were pointing all of this out were villainised on here.
Obviously when things didn't get better it became apparent that Lee had lost his dressing room. Probably the right decision for himself when he left, and it should been for us too. The moment I saw the statement from the club, in its apologetic tone, highlighting the injuries for the team's misfortune... I pretty much knew what we were destined for. Shortly after, we find out it will be Lee's assistant in the cockpit and so began Air Alty's nose dive.
I think that's been the biggest thing for me. The slow acceptance of doom, or at least that's the sort of vibe I've gotten from Altrincham FC since Christmas. We had a chance to bring in a manager and get out of a mess that was, at the time, fairly easy to escape from. The simple fact of the matter is the club, over the course of the season, haven't done anywhere near enough to keep us in the division. Be it not improving the squad from 2014/2015, to not bringing in reinforcements during the injury crisis, to not bringing in a manager when our's up and left. The whole thing has been one big act of consolidation.
At least they can't say we didn't get behind them. The support from the fans this season has been superb regardless. They've been backed across the country by the same 50-100 souls who have the absolute right to be disgusted at the way the campaign has ended.
Three, extremely unlikely, consecutive wins and survival in this league will not put any rose tint on the way this season has played out. Big changes needed next season regardless of the level we are competing at.
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A very concise, well thought out and pretty accurate posting. It's taken a long time for a very patient and accepting fan base to ask questions. If you take a look to see the vitriol being spouted and shouted at Grimsby and Halifax today after their latest defeats last night, if it shows anything it's that we're probably the most accepting supporters in the top 5 divisions
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Pretty much bang on Ryan Crowthers Immune System
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I haven't voted in this group because no single reason is to blame and I didn't think anybody needed to read my ramblings on why all of them are the reason we're here in the drop zone.
Superbly put that man, and I'm in 100% agreement.
The board need to sit up and take note, the divide between them and the fans is huge at this moment in time, and I am genuinely worried that this rift could become unrepairable. I personally think we need a fans forum, open and honest, and the board, management and players should all be there.
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Do any of the solutions involve money we haven't got? The balance sheet is £30K in the red remember.
Perhaps you would like to borrow the money on the clubs behalf?
Fixing things will involve starting over.
In the meantime it will be fun playing Stockport again.
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That's partly because they've built a social club twice the size it needs to be,and it won't be fun playing Stockport
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Fans forum to held half way through race night
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Fans forum to held half way through race night
Why half way through? Should be at 5pm whilst there's still people there!
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A very concise, well thought out and pretty accurate posting. It's taken a long time for a very patient and accepting fan base to ask questions. If you take a look to see the vitriol being spouted and shouted at Grimsby and Halifax today after their latest defeats last night, if it shows anything it's that we're probably the most accepting supporters in the top 5 divisions
We are like buddhist monks on fire sitting calmly.
f**k that!
TOLSON OUT!
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Grimsby and halifax are bigger clubs I think we've done our best this season with no money
And injuries the team always played to there best ability for me
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I wasn't going to post but how does anyone think we can bring someone in that quickly at this stage of the season whether it is desirable or not?
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Look at the 7 and 17 on the picture on the main site. Awful defending.
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I wasn't going to post but how does anyone think we can bring someone in that quickly at this stage of the season whether it is desirable or not?
There were more than 10 enquiries when Lee left, though the post was not advertised!!!
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I've gone for LS tactics poor team selection......in that his summer recruitment was abysmal and he acted too late to bring in the loan players and resigned so late I'm left thinking of him as a stubborn bloke who confidently steered the ship toward the iceberg, convinced everyone he knew what he was doing and then jumped ship in the only lifeboat.
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Since Tolson took charge, we've had the repeated mantra that we played OK except for the few seconds the error(s) that cost us the game were made. So the defence is to blame for our plight.
Very simplistic....and incorrect in my opinion.
It isn't the mistakes we make and are punished for.....it's the mistakes our opponents make on which we fail to capitalise. Our goals for column bears this out. And it's not just the strikers. Midfield haven't chipped in with enough goals this season.
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I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.
I have questions to which I would be very interested to hear various correspondent's answers.
Firstly, specifically to Jimmy - Why do you think that the CSH is twice the size it needs to be?
Secondly, For anyone really - Let us say that you are in charge now, The Board have gone, as some would wish and it's down to you, You have a clean slate - Nobody is still there, no Directors, No volunteers, No groundsman, No Players or Management:-
What would you do?
How would you fund it?
I have more but would love first to see what responses I get to the above.
Clearly from the recent traffic on here a number of you could do a much better job, let's hear the responses. And, if any of you have such brilliant, practical notions, then why haven't you shared them with "The Club"?
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We are all still waiting for your answer on what qualications and what justified Tolson getting the job,as for the size of the bar it's self explanatory and could've been built for a fraction of the cost.
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I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.
I have questions to which I would be very interested to hear various correspondent's answers.
Firstly, specifically to Jimmy - Why do you think that the CSH is twice the size it needs to be?
Secondly, For anyone really - Let us say that you are in charge now, The Board have gone, as some would wish and it's down to you, You have a clean slate - Nobody is still there, no Directors, No volunteers, No groundsman, No Players or Management:-
What would you do?
How would you fund it?
I have more but would love first to see what responses I get to the above.
Clearly from the recent traffic on here a number of you could do a much better job, let's hear the responses. And, if any of you have such brilliant, practical notions, then why haven't you shared them with "The Club"?
Right I'll bite ats.
I do think our board do a lot right. But they've got this whole tolson thing wrong. That doesn't mean they get evrytgin wrong. But here my answer to your sensationalist quesions .
I'd probably fund them through similar ways to how we fund them now. Unless graham and the rest of the board are putting in piles of money that we dont know about. Gate money fundraisers etc.
My first act as chaimain would be take a leaf out thatchers book. Find experts for the areas of expertise I lack.
'd approach one of communications company to partner with us - like Manchester jazz festival - pro bono. And see if any of them can put together an investment guide together to bring in further investment.
Mjf worked with my last company to produce the same thing to approach corperate partners and reduce their relliance on central funding.
Fcum got c21 from Alty to do one for them
I'd fill volunteer gaps such as with students from various universities and colleges utilising our community charity status. The schools and universities gain a new partner we get man hours.
I'd be shocked if all our volunteers left but this is ATS doomsday.
Id reform! Tasc and make it more modern and relevant. We've a giant CSH - And they have a tatty table I'm the corner.
I'd them set about trying to get a member of tasc sat on the board.
Tasc would serve as a way for fans to get the fundraising events going more easily and I'd build the fans
But most importantly, I'd build on what the club do well and improve what they dont.
And that would start improving relations between fans and board which this event has severely damaged
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I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.
You've had more comebacks than Frank Sinatra!
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Of course the CSH is too big for us! Never actually seen it packed before a game? Doesn't need to be that big! Half the size would have been fine!
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It wasn't ment to be just a barr
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I know that Daz still doesn't have to be the size of. Ceasers palace
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You may have something there Jim ! a casino !
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I think the flak the CSH is getting on here is unfair. It was never going to be just a bigger version of the old bar and in fact it's use on matchdays is just a fraction of what is can be used for. It was correct to build it and I applaud the community work the club is doing.
I think a lot of people at this club from the chairman downwards do a hell of a lot of hard work with nothing but the best intentions and, amid the depressing stuff there is still a lot of good going on. They deserve our thanks for that.
However, one or two things have left a very sour taste in my mouth. Sinnott going (and he is to blame in part for the struggles this year) gave us a great opportunity to grasp the nettle and move forward. It was instead very badly handled and badly explained. That for me is the main reason ultimately why we are going down and it frustrates me as it was easily avoidable.
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I think the flak the CSH is getting on here is unfair. It was never going to be just a bigger version of the old bar and in fact it's use on matchdays is just a fraction of what is can be used for. It was correct to build it and I applaud the community work the club is doing.
I think a lot of people at this club from the chairman downwards do a hell of a lot of hard work with nothing but the best intentions and, amid the depressing stuff there is still a lot of good going on. They deserve our thanks for that.
However, one or two things have left a very sour taste in my mouth. Sinnott going (and he is to blame in part for the struggles this year) gave us a great opportunity to grasp the nettle and move forward. It was instead very badly handled and badly explained. That for me is the main reason ultimately why we are going down and it frustrates me as it was easily avoidable.
totally agree i have spoken to numerous friends who attend games more regularly than they used to as they have a nice place to sit down and eat have a drink and chat pre during and post the match
We also now get more people using this area for numerous activites than the old bar could ever dream of
Agree with the rest of your post as well
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On the subject of liaison between board and fans, didn't we used to have a fans representative who sat in on certain board "activities" and kind of "bridged the gap" a bit? Is this something we could look at again?
I think the majority of the time the issue that occurs is misinformation which arises as a consequence of a perceived lack of clarity of information being fed down to fans. This in turn breeds a lot of unwarranted mistrust because people jump to the wrong conclusions.
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We've also got to stop the gripe if lack of volunteers.
If somebody suggests a good idea or something another club does the first response is either budget or lack of bvolunteers
This stops ideas beunhg put forward.
Instead let's welcome these ideas and work out waysnto help the suggester or others tontake it from and idea to reality.
Secondly a friend of mine runs an event called beers and ideas. People with skills or looking for new projects attend to be inspired and join with somebody who has an idea yet may lack a key skill.
Tasc should run one during the off season.
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On the subject of liaison between board and fans, didn't we used to have a fans representative who sat in on certain board "activities" and kind of "bridged the gap" a bit? Is this something we could look at again?
I think the majority of the time the issue that occurs is misinformation which arises as a consequence of a perceived lack of clarity of information being fed down to fans. This in turn breeds a lot of unwarranted mistrust because people jump to the wrong conclusions.
I think this would stop the use of the word clique and is dsomething I've mentioned on other threads.
Somebody on the terrace who can answer and nip in the bud any of the rumours would be good.
Ideally it should be tough tasc. Everybody is part of the club and should have someone on the board of our club they feel they can approach easily
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I think we as fans need to use TASC better. This is an organisation set up by the fans, for the fans. Why not convene a public meeting to establish, constructively, how the fans feel they want the club to move forward and then carry that forward to the fans forum in a coherant and (hopefully) productive manner.
Let me please be clear, by the way, that this is not a gripe against TASC in any way. I just feel that the fans have not tapped the full potential of the supporters association and we need to have the opportunity to put our views across democratically and hopefully with a bit of clout behind us. Ultimately, whatever comes out of the next few weeks has to result in the club moving forwards on and off the pitch. Every avenue of achieving this must be explored.
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I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.
I have questions to which I would be very interested to hear various correspondent's answers.
Firstly, specifically to Jimmy - Why do you think that the CSH is twice the size it needs to be?
Secondly, For anyone really - Let us say that you are in charge now, The Board have gone, as some would wish and it's down to you, You have a clean slate - Nobody is still there, no Directors, No volunteers, No groundsman, No Players or Management:-
What would you do?
How would you fund it?
I have more but would love first to see what responses I get to the above.
Clearly from the recent traffic on here a number of you could do a much better job, let's hear the responses. And, if any of you have such brilliant, practical notions, then why haven't you shared them with "The Club"?
You won't be as angry, confused and frustrated as I was to drive five hours the other night to see our two best players sat on the bench....
Phil, this is a fans forum, football fans throw their toys out of the pram when things are going so badly wrong on the pitch, and they are. You need to realise that some people (rightly or wrongly) only care about the football, and pay their money dutifully to see the football team. I agree some of the recent comments on here have been disproportionate. However, the fan base of this club are as accepting and patient as you'll find. I'd sooner people shot their mouth off on here than during games or in the bar after match. I'll point you in the direction of the meltdowns taking place at Halifax, Wrexham, Grimsby and at Tranmere currently. We've won 11 league matches in 13 months and it's not acceptable. We've had no real explaination as to what happened with the previous manager and how it came to pass his XO for the last five years would take the job on. However crass, inaccurate or unjustified people (me included on occasion)might find some of the conversation on here. It's better on here than anger and boos ringing out around the stadium or bar on a match day. The thing with this and any messageboard is that no one is obligated to read it.
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11 leauge games in 13 months ... sheds a tear
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11 leauge games in 13 months ... sheds a tear
We don't play league games in May/June/July - man up !
Mind you, an average of 1.1 wins per month is pretty rubbishy.
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11 leauge games in 13 months ... sheds a tear
We don't play league games in May/June/July - man up !
Mind you, an average of 1.1 wins per month is pretty rubbishy.
ha ha .. that told me .. sort of 😉
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I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.
You've had more comebacks than Frank Sinatra!
Yes, the phrase 'sh*t or get off the pot' springs to mind.
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On the subject of liaison between board and fans, didn't we used to have a fans representative who sat in on certain board "activities" and kind of "bridged the gap" a bit? Is this something we could look at again?
I think the majority of the time the issue that occurs is misinformation which arises as a consequence of a perceived lack of clarity of information being fed down to fans. This in turn breeds a lot of unwarranted mistrust because people jump to the wrong conclusions.
There was not a fans representative who 'sat in on certain board activities.' There was a member of the committee of the Supporters Association who was a full member of the board, a full director registered as such at Companies House, as liable as any other director of the club, who attended every meeting of the board of directors of the football club, voted on many of the decisions made by the football club and reported back in detail to members meetings of the Supporters Association. Occasionally the supporters director was asked to let a particularly sensitive commercial or personal issue be discussed in private. There was full access to the ongoing financial reports, contracts and all key issues. The Supporters Association also held a fair number of shares in the football club which had been generously donated by other shareholders sympathetic to the idea of fans having a say in the running of the club. I do wonder who owns those shares now as the individuals who selflessly donated them intended them to be held by a body representing Altrincham F.C. supporters not by individuals. Does T.A.S.C. now own these shares?
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The club needs old supporters like you back even if its just to pick your brains.
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On the subject of liaison between board and fans, didn't we used to have a fans representative who sat in on certain board "activities" and kind of "bridged the gap" a bit? Is this something we could look at again?
I think the majority of the time the issue that occurs is misinformation which arises as a consequence of a perceived lack of clarity of information being fed down to fans. This in turn breeds a lot of unwarranted mistrust because people jump to the wrong conclusions.
There was not a fans representative who 'sat in on certain board activities.' There was a member of the committee of the Supporters Association who was a full member of the board, a full director registered as such at Companies House, as liable as any other director of the club, who attended every meeting of the board of directors of the football club, voted on many of the decisions made by the football club and reported back in detail to members meetings of the Supporters Association. Occasionally the supporters director was asked to let a particularly sensitive commercial or personal issue be discussed in private. There was full access to the ongoing financial reports, contracts and all key issues. The Supporters Association also held a fair number of shares in the football club which had been generously donated by other shareholders sympathetic to the idea of fans having a say in the running of the club. I do wonder who owns those shares now as the individuals who selflessly donated them intended them to be held by a body representing Altrincham F.C. supporters not by individuals. Does T.A.S.C. now own these shares?
Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't 100% clear as it was a long time ago.
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I think im right in saying of those shares held by star the now mothballed supporters trust...some are still held by a mothballed organisation but some were sold along with some of the previous boards shares....
I personally think we have fans on the board...isnt flynny an associate director?...paul daine is he still on the board...grahame rowley is a fan...all approachable....but it would be good to have a tasc rep attend board meetings....
The shareholding of the club is a bit of a mess and the majority still owned by disinterested uninvolved parties .....which does mean we wont be maunderised again but it also means apathy from the top.
Come back safe95 :-)
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On the back of the above comments I was having a google and came across the old Alty Forum - dating from 2000 - 2006 - some interesting threads on there just having a gander through, especially for someone like me who wasnt living in Alty until 2006 so wasnt aware of a lot of the old stuff.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/75616
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The old forum brilliant i used to go under the guise of wayne .. we never replied to threads we started another funny
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/75616/thread/994858525
at the time of Mark Ecky standing down and looking for a replacement - was a replacement found and accepted or did it die out ?
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What a fantastic job SAFE did in real crisis days....part of our history......I used to enjoy the accusations of clique aimed at them....absolutly outrageous and scandalous..... I wonder if the SAFE boys can smile and laugh about this nowadays?
We have faced much darker days than those we face now.....but ironically the past does not equal the future quote means jusy because we have had years of osterity does not mean we should not strive for ambition! :-)