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Title: An honest & polite man
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on March 09, 2016, 05:02:37 PM
Lee Sinnott had his knockers at the club, some from day one. I think he has been a very polite and brutally honest manager. And an ambassador for the club in the way he's put himself across. It's a hard job at this club with the constraints you have to work under. We've had four years of attractive football, if not always winning football. He got us promoted. He kept us up comfortably last year. This year the summer transfer business was very poor, and we haven't been at it all season, in mitigation then injury list has been horrific. Ultimately you live and die by results, and thee wins in five months is not good news anywhere. Lee looked a beaten man in his interview after Macc to me, let's hope we can get Red Adair on the phone and put these relegation fires out. Many thanks to lee for his hard work and good luck for the future.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: MarpleAlty on March 09, 2016, 05:05:19 PM
Lee Sinnott had his knockers at the club, some from day one. I think he has been a very polite and brutally honest manager. And an ambassador for the club in the way he's put himself across. It's a hard job at this club with the constraints you have to work under. We've had four years of attractive football, if not always winning football. He got us promoted. He kept us up comfortably last year. This year the summer transfer business was very poor, and we haven't been at it all season, in mitigation then injury list has been horrific. Ultimately you live and die by results, and thee wins in five months is not good news anywhere. Lee looked a beaten man in his interview after Macc to me, let's hope we can get Red Adair on the phone and put these relegation fires out. Many thanks to lee for his hard work and good luck for the future.

We never replaced Cav. Full stop.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: taxi Phil on March 09, 2016, 05:11:02 PM
Lee Sinnott had his knockers at the club, some from day one. I think he has been a very polite and brutally honest manager. And an ambassador for the club in the way he's put himself across. It's a hard job at this club with the constraints you have to work under. We've had four years of attractive football, if not always winning football. He got us promoted. He kept us up comfortably last year. This year the summer transfer business was very poor, and we haven't been at it all season, in mitigation then injury list has been horrific. Ultimately you live and die by results, and thee wins in five months is not good news anywhere. Lee looked a beaten man in his interview after Macc to me, let's hope we can get Red Adair on the phone and put these relegation fires out. Many thanks to lee for his hard work and good luck for the future.

Agreed 100% Pete. It's a rare manager who keeps the ball rolling for ever though.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: ripleym on March 09, 2016, 05:13:26 PM
Totally agree.  I enjoyed speaking to him after the season we got promoted and he seemed very genuine and with a good knowledge of the game.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Alty Dave on March 09, 2016, 05:14:08 PM
I agree with Figgy, thanks for your efforts Lee and good luck for the future.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Martin on March 09, 2016, 05:20:47 PM
As a 'supporter' of Lee I'm sad to see him go however if we want to stay in this league then the change was necessary
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: ManagementGuru on March 09, 2016, 05:27:28 PM
I also feel he was a dignified man, who conducted himself very well in public on our behalf and never once complained about the constraints he has had to work under.

He did keep his promise to put a smile on our faces, and we have been a joy to watch at times during his tenure.

Sadly, I think the time was right for a change.



P.S.

Ironically, if we do go down and we are looking for a manager with a proven record of getting into the Conference National, there will be a guy on Humberside who will have done it with clubs based both sides of the Pennines!
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: OldhamAlty on March 09, 2016, 05:30:15 PM
Lee Sinnott had his knockers at the club, some from day one. I think he has been a very polite and brutally honest manager. And an ambassador for the club in the way he's put himself across. It's a hard job at this club with the constraints you have to work under. We've had four years of attractive football, if not always winning football. He got us promoted. He kept us up comfortably last year. This year the summer transfer business was very poor, and we haven't been at it all season, in mitigation then injury list has been horrific. Ultimately you live and die by results, and thee wins in five months is not good news anywhere. Lee looked a beaten man in his interview after Macc to me, let's hope we can get Red Adair on the phone and put these relegation fires out. Many thanks to lee for his hard work and good luck for the future.

Agreed. It's certainly not all been plain sailing, but thanks for the promotion and the cup scalp. Always seemed like a good bloke too. Best of luck Lee.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Scottie on March 09, 2016, 05:47:39 PM
Thanks for everything Lee.  The Guiseley promotion final was probably my best ever Alty memory of all time.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Beaver on March 09, 2016, 05:52:43 PM
Thanks Lee.

I think we have achieved a lot under Sinnott. He has brought in some good players, we've played some good football, and he got the best out of Reevesy at times.

We got promoted and stayed up comfortably.

Everyone has their time. But I for one will only look back and say overall he did very well as Alty manager.

Good luck for the future!

Now time to move on for both of us.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on March 09, 2016, 05:59:07 PM
Thanks Lee.

I think we have achieved a lot under Sinnott. He has brought in some good players, we've played some good football, and he got the best out of Reevesy at times.

We got promoted and stayed up comfortably.

Everyone has their time. But I for one will only look back and say overall he did very well as Alty manager.

Good luck for the future!

Now time to move on for both of us.

This pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

Now let's get ourselves out of this mess and stay up!
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: arnald on March 09, 2016, 06:38:23 PM
Sad news today I agree that we cud do with a nut case now until the end of the season 
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: wayno on March 09, 2016, 06:40:04 PM
Sad news today I agree that we cud do with a nut case now until the end of the season 
Francis sincliar ?
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: bighairedmike on March 09, 2016, 06:41:06 PM
Sad news today I agree that we cud do with a nut case now until the end of the season 
Francis sincliar ?

Freudian slip at the end there Wayno?  ;D
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: wayno on March 09, 2016, 06:41:59 PM
Sad news today I agree that we cud do with a nut case now until the end of the season 
Francis sincliar ?

Freudian slip at the end there Wayno?  ;D
miss spell but I thought it was appropriate
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: distancetraveller on March 09, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Sad news today I agree that we cud do with a nut case now until the end of the season 
Francis sincliar ?

I'd rather see Frank Spencer here than That T**t
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: wayno on March 09, 2016, 08:19:08 PM
Sad news today I agree that we cud do with a nut case now until the end of the season 
Francis sincliar ?

I'd rather see Frank Spencer here than That T**t
ha ha ooohhh betty
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Mick on March 09, 2016, 08:20:12 PM
Always eloquent and dignified............probably working under some serious budget constraints too, but as others have said we are in the results business and lately they have been very disappointing.

As said earlier I still believe our best eleven is the team (almost) that got us out of Conference North and to say this means our recruitment under Lee has probably not been as good as we would have hoped in terms of the new faces brought in. The injuries have been a nightmare, but once those guys became unavailable, the back-up has been found wanting at this level

Some great football played at times which has been a joy to watch, but the 20/20 thing was such an over-ambitious target, it was subject to ridicule. As others have said, football is a cruel game at times, so I hope Lee is back in football soon, albeit we move on to another chapter
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: PukkaPieman on March 09, 2016, 08:35:09 PM
I have nothing but praise and respect for Lee and wish him all the best for the future. A gentleman in every way, not at all common in this day and age especially in football management.

Its obvious to me that Lee did his best and chose to leave and he is clearly hoping in the last 11 games that someone else might be able to keep us up.

Who that is or could be I have no idea.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: roytonmike on March 09, 2016, 08:45:36 PM
I have nothing but praise and respect for Lee and wish him all the best for the future. A gentleman in every way, not at all common in this day and age especially in football management.
Its obvious to me that Lee did his best and chose to leave and he is clearly hoping in the last 11 games that someone else might be able to keep us up.
Who that is or could be I have no idea.
I agree absolutely with the first and last lines above. As for the middle, I'm afraid I read the rather opaque club statement differently, but that is in a sense neither here nor there. Always approachable, pleasant & courteous, and honest in his assessment of performances. I too wish him well.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: PukkaPieman on March 09, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
I have nothing but praise and respect for Lee and wish him all the best for the future. A gentleman in every way, not at all common in this day and age especially in football management.
Its obvious to me that Lee did his best and chose to leave and he is clearly hoping in the last 11 games that someone else might be able to keep us up.
Who that is or could be I have no idea.
I agree absolutely with the first and last lines above. As for the middle, I'm afraid I read the rather opaque club statement differently, but that is in a sense neither here nor there. Always approachable, pleasant & courteous, and honest in his assessment of performances. I too wish him well.

He walked.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Cheadle Hulme Alty on March 09, 2016, 09:20:08 PM
I also echo the sentiments and thank Lee for some good times over the last few seasons, however, the alarm bells really were ringing back in August when it was obvious his close season signings were woeful. This I believe has been Lee's Achilles heel and, as many people have said on here before, must have been a result of him having no contacts or knowledge of players over this side of the country. To give contracts to all of the pre-season signings, with the exception of Deasy, shows an alarming lack of judgement.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Bob on March 09, 2016, 10:32:56 PM
Thank you Lee for some of the best football I have seen us play, and for being such an honest and decent manager. You deserve to leave with dignity and thanks.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: VofD on March 09, 2016, 10:49:51 PM
I have nothing but praise and respect for Lee and wish him all the best for the future. A gentleman in every way, not at all common in this day and age especially in football management.
Its obvious to me that Lee did his best and chose to leave and he is clearly hoping in the last 11 games that someone else might be able to keep us up.
Who that is or could be I have no idea.
I agree absolutely with the first and last lines above. As for the middle, I'm afraid I read the rather opaque club statement differently, but that is in a sense neither here nor there. Always approachable, pleasant & courteous, and honest in his assessment of performances. I too wish him well.

He walked.

With,or without money?
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: bighairedmike on March 09, 2016, 10:58:05 PM
I have nothing but praise and respect for Lee and wish him all the best for the future. A gentleman in every way, not at all common in this day and age especially in football management.
Its obvious to me that Lee did his best and chose to leave and he is clearly hoping in the last 11 games that someone else might be able to keep us up.
Who that is or could be I have no idea.
I agree absolutely with the first and last lines above. As for the middle, I'm afraid I read the rather opaque club statement differently, but that is in a sense neither here nor there. Always approachable, pleasant & courteous, and honest in his assessment of performances. I too wish him well.

He walked.

With,or without money?

I believe that he wasn't contracted. Also, given the type of person he is i cant imagine he'd ask for a severence if he resigns.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: RedhillAlty on March 09, 2016, 11:00:49 PM
Thanks Lee. The Guiseley play-off was something special. And Barnsley in the FA Cup brought back memories. Will be remembered as a top bloke.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: AFC56 on March 09, 2016, 11:02:00 PM
His post match comments suggest he wasn't ready to walk out. Surely if he had resigned then the club would say so?
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: AFC56 on March 09, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
And he was spot on about the team not moving the ball quick enough last night. Bloody James Lawrie taking 15 touches before passing (often losing) the ball just lets the opposition defence set
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Jimmy on March 10, 2016, 07:46:46 AM
If he was sacked the club should have a replacement,if we have 2 weeks of Tolson it would suggest he walked
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: andrewflynn on March 10, 2016, 09:11:58 AM
It shouldn't take online forum debate to determine whether Lee was sacked or if he resigned. The club statement is pretty poor in my opinion as it leaves the question unanswered. The details should be in black and white. Its not fair on Lee to have people talking about that and they wouldn't be if the club would just say it how it is.

The statement is weird on the whole, I find the mention of the injury crisis bizarre. If that excuse is valid enough to be mentioned in an official club statement, then why is the manager losing his job over the situation we find ourselves in because of it?

It comes across like "Lee has been great at Altrincham, thank you so much, but we've had lots of injuries in an extremely unlucky season, we're parting ways with Lee anyway."

I'm happy he's gone and the reasons for that have all been previously mentioned so there's no point me re-typing them, they're all pretty generic at this stage. Lee Sinnott's Altrincham put a smile on my face numerous times, given me some memories I'll never forget.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Leon on March 10, 2016, 02:09:46 PM
I think the people who are saying that LS must have resigned are doing so out of sentiment. It seems perfectly clear from his comments after the Gateshead match that his thoughts weren't tending that way at all. As I read it, he was sacked but the club rightly wanted to put it in kinder terms than that.

I too would like to thank LS for all he's done at the club and wish him well for the future. I wonder, when he reflects on his time at Alty, whether he might think that he could have thrown himself into the life of the club a bit more? The relationship between a manager and the fans is in part an emotional one but LS always seemed too distant and impassive for us to really take him to heart. The fact that we barely ever sung songs about him always struck me as significant. Of course a manager has to be himself and do the job in his own way but I do think he could have shown more of himself - when he was appointed, GR picked out his enthusiasm as a key point but that wasn't a quality that ever came across particularly. I'm sure it was there but we never saw it. I think if he could pepper his calmness and dignity with a bit of blood and thunder now and again, he'd be a better and more inspiring manager for it.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: AFC56 on March 10, 2016, 02:27:29 PM
I think the people who are saying that LS must have resigned are doing so out of sentiment. It seems perfectly clear from his comments after the Gateshead match that his thoughts weren't tending that way at all. As I read it, he was sacked but the club rightly wanted to put it in kinder terms than that.

I too would like to thank LS for all he's done at the club and wish him well for the future. I wonder, when he reflects on his time at Alty, whether he might think that he could have thrown himself into the life of the club a bit more? The relationship between a manager and the fans is in part an emotional one but LS always seemed too distant and impassive for us to really take him to heart. The fact that we barely ever sung songs about him always struck me as significant. Of course a manager has to be himself and do the job in his own way but I do think he could have shown more of himself - when he was appointed, GR picked out his enthusiasm as a key point but that wasn't a quality that ever came across particularly. I'm sure it was there but we never saw it. I think if he could pepper his calmness and dignity with a bit of blood and thunder now and again, he'd be a better and more inspiring manager for it.

Spot on, totally agree
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: PukkaPieman on March 10, 2016, 03:18:22 PM
I think the people who are saying that LS must have resigned are doing so out of sentiment.

No they arent.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Jimmy on March 10, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he walked we have an incedibley patient board
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Leon on March 10, 2016, 04:02:12 PM
I think the people who are saying that LS must have resigned are doing so out of sentiment.

No they arent.

Do you know something we don't then?
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Toff Apple on March 10, 2016, 04:22:31 PM
similarly the chairman was tweeting about the horrendous state gateshead left the changing room in, doesn't strike me as the hing to do just before you pick up the phone, perhaps something happened overnight in one of their minds
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on March 10, 2016, 04:24:04 PM
I think the people who are saying that LS must have resigned are doing so out of sentiment. It seems perfectly clear from his comments after the Gateshead match that his thoughts weren't tending that way at all. As I read it, he was sacked but the club rightly wanted to put it in kinder terms than that.

I too would like to thank LS for all he's done at the club and wish him well for the future. I wonder, when he reflects on his time at Alty, whether he might think that he could have thrown himself into the life of the club a bit more? The relationship between a manager and the fans is in part an emotional one but LS always seemed too distant and impassive for us to really take him to heart. The fact that we barely ever sung songs about him always struck me as significant. Of course a manager has to be himself and do the job in his own way but I do think he could have shown more of himself - when he was appointed, GR picked out his enthusiasm as a key point but that wasn't a quality that ever came across particularly. I'm sure it was there but we never saw it. I think if he could pepper his calmness and dignity with a bit of blood and thunder now and again, he'd be a better and more inspiring manager for it.


Excellent post.

Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Ballers on March 10, 2016, 04:35:11 PM
I'm not really fussed whether he was jumped or pushed. It doesn't matter.

The right decision has been reached. The board or LS could've decided the change was needed. Equally if LS didn't resign and backed himself to still keep us up then that would've been a reasonable viewpoint too. Things aren't great but we aren't bottom of the league on a ten game losing run so it's not like his position was totally untenable just that on balance of probabilities a reasonably correct decision has been made, and with still enough time for us to sort ourselves out.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Leon on March 10, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
I'm not really fussed whether he was jumped or pushed. It doesn't matter.

The right decision has been reached. The board or LS could've decided the change was needed. Equally if LS didn't resign and backed himself to still keep us up then that would've been a reasonable viewpoint too. Things aren't great but we aren't bottom of the league on a ten game losing run so it's not like his position was totally untenable just that on balance of probabilities a reasonably correct decision has been made, and with still enough time for us to sort ourselves out.

I think it does matter in terms of what it tells us about the our chairman.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: Ballers on March 10, 2016, 04:59:03 PM
Just probably that he's not very good at press releases, nothing major.
Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on March 11, 2016, 01:06:28 AM

Just probably that he's not very good at press releases, nothing major.



Doesn't he have two press officers to take care of that on his behalf though?

Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on March 12, 2016, 06:43:20 PM
I have nothing but praise and respect for Lee and wish him all the best for the future. A gentleman in every way, not at all common in this day and age especially in football management.
Its obvious to me that Lee did his best and chose to leave and he is clearly hoping in the last 11 games that someone else might be able to keep us up.
Who that is or could be I have no idea.
I agree absolutely with the first and last lines above. As for the middle, I'm afraid I read the rather opaque club statement differently, but that is in a sense neither here nor there. Always approachable, pleasant & courteous, and honest in his assessment of performances. I too wish him well.




He walked.




Oh dear.

It looks like you need to find a new 'Deep Throat' to inform you about what's really happening at the club...!




Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: robininstockport on March 12, 2016, 07:02:37 PM
Jeff Stepping said he was sacked,  so therefore  he was sacked.
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Title: Re: An honest & polite man
Post by: GB Alty on March 12, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
Jeff Stepping said he was sacked,  so therefore  he was sacked.
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we really have lost our way this week haven't we

Whatever happens on the field, it is clear we need a clean sweep off it. Whats going on now isn't good enough for Altrincham FC surely