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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on March 09, 2016, 09:56:42 AM
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Simply too open and too easy that last night, we've needed a new midfielder since Griffiths had our trousers down months ago, and I don't hold out much hope in is finding one now, got to play to our strengths. Be more solid and hope we can nick a result.
...........................Deasey
....Havern.............Holness........Leather
Sinnott.........Moult...........Richman......Griffin
................lawrie.............Ginnelley
...............,,...........Reeves
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That's how I would have changed it last night. Especially if Crowther is injured? He was on the ream sheet last night as starting.
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Crowther is perpetually injured or ill, and has become a luxury we can't afford. If we bring anything back from Holker Street it'll be a single point, and I don't even expect that. A 200+ mile round trip that I can't be bothered making.
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That's pretty much how I'd go Figgy, but I fear it won't be that formation or personnel.
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Crowther wasn't up for it on Saturday either - just a lightweight not up to the challenge unfortunately. Also on the right side, Jordan Sinnott (who despite the best efforts of some posters on this forum IS NOT A RIGHT BACK) was too easily beaten by Sampson. So, that's basically nothing on our right. If I were the opposition, I'd just focus all my efforts on this side - too easy. I also don't share the Lawrie optimism on here lately - he gives the ball away time and time again. Reeves/Rankine, whoever, they are completely isolated. We need 2 or 3 new players, sorry guys.
At the mo I'd go...
Deasy
Luca, Leather, Holness
Griff, loan right back
Richman, Moult, Ginnelly, loan winger
Reeves or Rankine
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Got to start being bold, the situation is retrievable but we've simply got to play to our strengths. We had a right midfielder at right back last night when we didn't have a competent solution in right midfield. Ginnelley worked his socks off but couldn't get any joy as he was left with too much to do and very little help. The times gone to make significant changes unless we can magic up a right back and a central midfielder from somewhere. We've go three decent centre backs, a left back, a decent enough right midfielder a couple of hardworking centre midfielders and some attacking prowess. Use what we've got rather than trying to put people in out of place. If we have to not play 4-4-2 then so be it, it's about results now and nothing else. Gateshead are a decent side, and if we had not fluffed our lines against copious amounts of sh*t so far this season you could afford a defeat at home to them. We can't afford defeat to anyone now. Still hoping we produce a midfielder from somewhere before Saturday but if not then we've got to change it
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The Marcus Marshall thing, if it could come off, would make a big difference. I noticed lately that Ryan Higgins has been on the bench at improving Chester - would be a perfect replacement for Dens if available. I agree, it's not too late, but our present first team will get relegated.
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We might get 1 loanee in but can't see anymore than that
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The Marcus Marshall thing, if it could come off, would make a big difference. I noticed lately that Ryan Higgins has been on the bench at improving Chester - would be a perfect replacement for Dens if available. I agree, it's not too late, but our present first team will get relegated.
Chester won't lend us a player whilst stil mathematically in it. We need to be talking to league two sides about experienced midfielders
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The Marcus Marshall thing, if it could come off, would make a big difference. I noticed lately that Ryan Higgins has been on the bench at improving Chester - would be a perfect replacement for Dens if available. I agree, it's not too late, but our present first team will get relegated.
Chester won't lend us a player whilst stil mathematically in it. We need to be talking to league two sides about experienced midfielders
Exactly Pete. Is there another Cavanagh sitting on the bench somewhere ?
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Griffiths was 'another Cavanagh' sitting on a bench somewhere. Surely to God, we need some pace and width, as we are too narrow and predictable. I thought that lad from Bradford was thinking along the right lines.
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Has anyone else noticed that Barrow haven't won a home match since 28th November 2015...?
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3 points then tunny I never noticed
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Got to start being bold, the situation is retrievable but we've simply got to play to our strengths. We had a right midfielder at right back last night when we didn't have a competent solution in right midfield. Ginnelley worked his socks off but couldn't get any joy as he was left with too much to do and very little help. The times gone to make significant changes unless we can magic up a right back and a central midfielder from somewhere. We've go three decent centre backs, a left back, a decent enough right midfielder a couple of hardworking centre midfielders and some attacking prowess. Use what we've got rather than trying to put people in out of place. If we have to not play 4-4-2 then so be it, it's about results now and nothing else. Gateshead are a decent side, and if we had not fluffed our lines against copious amounts of sh*t so far this season you could afford a defeat at home to them. We can't afford defeat to anyone now. Still hoping we produce a midfielder from somewhere before Saturday but if not then we've got to change it
playing 5 at the back isn't bold,not to say I disagree with your team
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I meant bold as in the manager changing his approach and not playing 4-4-2 not bold as in formation
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Sorry Pete
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I expect/hope that the players to have a good chat between themselves on the way to Barrow and fight like never before and show some bloody passion. LS has now left, but the players must also shoulder the blame for our predicament and come out tomorrow and show us how capable that we all know they are and get a result at Holker Street.
Keep the concentration levels going until the final whistle
2 - 1 Alty is 12/1 on Bet365. worth a fiver.
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Good luck , Tols and Buzz , hope you can bring back three points today , let's proove all your doubter's wrong .
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Leather in for O'Keefe - 5 at the back?
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Well, it's the team many posters wanted. I hope it delivers. I still can't see any goals in it, but we should be solid enough at the back (unless they have a half decent left winger). I'm hoping for a 0 0.
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would take a point right now and move on to next week
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Looks like it's 3 cb and 2 wbs.
It is 5 at the back when defening
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Oh.
Leather at rb and Sinnott right mid.
Can't see this ending well
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Well, we've scored first and that's usually a very good sign. He waits til his dad leaves before scoring - you couldn't make it up!
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Well, we've scored first and that's usually a very good sign. He waits til his dad leaves before scoring - you couldn't make it up!
What a deliciously ironic goal.
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Normal systems resumed. It'll be interesting to see who gets blamed today. It's the team many posters wanted, there's no Lee Sinnott, it wasn't 442, Reeves played...Maybe, we're just crap.
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It's the hope that's killing me...One more needed and they sound as bad as us.
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Has anyone else noticed that Barrow haven't won a home match since 28th November 2015...?
They have now!
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You're so right about the hope thing! I ave this up at 3-1 and then Lawrie scored. Hooked after that
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Time and games are running out, but I keep clinging to hope that we will turn this around, but after watching that today I don't think this season is going to end well irrespective of who is at the helm.
Havern up front is not the answer and just proves how desperate and clueless we are.
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Sinnott must have lost the dressing room so much, they thought anyone, even a donkey would be an improvement?
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Sigh.
We must be one of the few clubs who can contrive to sack their manager and then fail to benefit from any immediate 'new manager bounce'.
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We did get the new manager bounce, it lasted about half an hour
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We didn't get a new manager though, did we? So, why would anyone expect a 'bounce'?
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We didn't get a new manager though, did we? So, why would anyone expect a 'bounce'?
Very valid point.
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We did get the new manager bounce, it lasted about half an hour
More like a dead cat bounce then?
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Alty's three year streak (it could be more, I only started counting from the start of the 2013-14 season) of never losing a league game after opening the scoring came to an end today.
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We did get the new manager bounce, it lasted about half an hour
Bit like the bounce Anthony Taylor failed to detect when postponing the game a few weeks ago.
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We didn't get a new manager though, did we? So, why would anyone expect a 'bounce'?
Of course we did. The clueless Tolson was previously ASSISTANT manager, FFS.
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We need a new manager and quick, if we are to at least try and stay up. Surely the Chairman can see that?
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No, he can't. He always goes for the cheap and cheerful, very much to the detriment of the club. >:(
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No, he can't. He always goes for the cheap and cheerful, very much to the detriment of the club. >:(
Absolute rubbish. Grahame, or anyone else for that matter, cannot be expected to do something that is not within his means. Everyone knows he tries his best and has the best interests of the club at heart.
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No, he can't. He always goes for the cheap and cheerful, very much to the detriment of the club. >:(
I think that is unfair. We spend what we have.
I will say that the communication from the board about the managerial changes has been very poor so far.
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No, he can't. He always goes for the cheap and cheerful, very much to the detriment of the club. >:(
I think that is unfair. We spend what we have.
I will say that the communication from the board about the managerial changes has been very poor so far.
There is a statement from GR on the main site
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That statement from the Chairman, is embarrassing for the club. We gave him the job because he's our friend and we want to look after him? So if we go down, it doesn't matter because at least we won't have upset Neil Tolson. Unbelievable.
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We're just too nice sometimes. We should be saying we'll stay in this league at all affordable cost.
Thanks Neil for your loyalty but we think there's a proven manager out there.
Conf north here we come. And whilst we reward one mans loyalty we've basically forgot about the loyalty of the paying public that won't be so loyal when we are playing in the league below for years to come.
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So, GR was quite content for LS to fudge his way to the end of the season it seems.
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Following the recent drivel from the captain, we now have more drivel from the chairman. ::) ::)
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The chairman complains about speculation that Sinnott was sacked. Well if they had actually bothered to say he had quit on Wednesday rather than the cryptic "part company" it would have stopped the speculation in the first place.
And if Tolson has been given the job partly to look after him then that is outrageous.
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I want to reiterate again that Tolson has my full support along with the team until the end of the season
However when you are in business and dealing with people some times you have to look past friendships and relationships and make the right decision
Sometimes that decision is difficult and you have to have a difficult face to face eye to eye conversation to make the right decision in the long run
Sadly it appears that this has not been the case and we appear to have taken the easy option to avoid conflict or upset
Please please prove me wrong
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If lee Sinnott isn't being replaced will we be seeing the saving used for a right back and a centre midfielder for the remainder of the season?
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If lee Sinnott isn't being replaced will we be seeing the saving used for a right back and a centre midfielder for the remainder of the season?
Sinnott has been replaced by Tolson, and Tolson bu Doughty. Can't see any financial gain here.
Now if we'd have made Moult player manager and Densmore and Clee assistants we may well have saved a few quid.
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Enough is enough
Time for Rowley to go, he's running the club into the ground and making us a laughing stock
I can only see this getting very nasty for him, but he has very badly judged the mood.
Also reading his sickening comments, can we really trust this idiot's judgement anymore, is the club really safe in his hands?
Shareholders need to act quickly
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I'm curious about in what way Tolson has been "loyal"?
Surely, he has just been fulfilling the job that the club actually pays him a salary to do?
And now we promote him because we don't want to upset him.
We used to be a football club.
Now it appears that we are merely a footnote of a football club attached to a Community Sports Hall.
Embarrassing.
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Yes the loyal bit confuses me,who in their right minds have been knocking on our door after Tolson
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Well, my respect for LS has increased now that we know he put the good of Altrincham FC ahead of personal considerations. If only our chairman had done the same.
I will continue to support the team as always (though I'm glad there aren't any games I can get to for a while, to be honest) but this week's events have left me feeling as disillusioned with our club as I can remember being for a long time. Neil Tolson may be a nice guy for all I know but the decision to give him the manager's job is shocking, misguided and unjustifiable in footballing terms.
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Enough is enough
Time for Rowley to go, he's running the club into the ground and making us a laughing stock
I can only see this getting very nasty for him, but he has very badly judged the mood.
Also reading his sickening comments, can we really trust this idiot's judgement anymore, is the club really safe in his hands?
Shareholders need to act quickly
The owner of Morecambe lives in Alty apparently but I for one would be wary of any new potentail buyer.
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I'm curious about in what way Tolson has been "loyal"?
Surely, he has just been fulfilling the job that the club actually pays him a salary to do?
And now we promote him because we don't want to upset him.
We used to be a football club.
Now it appears that we are merely a footnote of a football club attached to a Community Sports Hall.
Embarrassing.
I couldn't agree more with this.
Frankly i'm flabbergasted by all of this. The chairmans judgement seems to be severley clouded and its likely to not end well for us.
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'Usually, in this situation, when a manager leaves, his coaching staff leave with him. But we are a different kind of club and we like to look after people.
'This is an opportunity for him to carry on Lee's wonderful work. He's going to be missed at Altrincham'"
The more I read it the more I can't believe it, is this all some wind up gone badly wrong? The comments sound almost tongue in cheek, as if they have been written to shock and offend any sensible thinking supporter
Rowley your wrong when you say were a different kind of club, we want to stay up as much as anyone, if that isn't your first priority you need to f**k off now
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Tolson's comments on yesterdays game seem insightful...
"We defended really well apart from on four occasions and on three of those they scored."
So we didn't defend well then Neil? Jesus wept we're in trouble.
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Tolson appointment makes much more sense to me now after that statement.
GR was perfectly happy with the management team, his opinion is open to challenge, but given that would appear to be the case the rest of it makes sense. Lee resigned, Neil didn't, so do we sack Neil because Lee resigned - no because that would be unfair on Neil - perfectly reasonable statement and approach.
So now we either get a new manager in from nowhere - GR was happy with LS so won't have been sounding out any other managers - or we promote Neil to provide continuity, which if GR was happy with the management isn't a problem as far as he is concerned.
It also explains all the stuff in the original statement about injuries.
Clearly if the original statement had included the word 'resigned' it would have been much clearer from the start.
Personally I would have given Neil the job until we got a new number one in place rather than till the end of the season given Neil is on record as saying he didn't see himself as a manager.
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Tolson appointment makes much more sense to me now after that statement.
GR was perfectly happy with the management team, his opinion is open to challenge, but given that would appear to be the case the rest of it makes sense. Lee resigned, Neil didn't, so do we sack Neil because Lee resigned - no because that would be unfair on Neil - perfectly reasonable statement and approach.
So now we either get a new manager in from nowhere - GR was happy with LS so won't have been sounding out any other managers - or we promote Neil to provide continuity, which if GR was happy with the management isn't a problem as far as he is concerned.
It also explains all the stuff in the original statement about injuries.
Clearly if the original statement had included the word 'resigned' it would have been much clearer from the start.
Personally I would have given Neil the job until we got a new number one in place rather than till the end of the season given Neil is on record as saying he didn't see himself as a manager.
I think that's a very astute analysis.
The big problem then is the lack of clarity in the original announcement, which led many of us to believe that the chairman had taken an unpleasant but necessary decision to give us the best possible chance of avoiding relegation. That was a real boost to the fans' morale, as was the prospect of a 'new manager bounce'. But now that's been revealed as a mirage, it feels much worse than it would have done had we just been told that LS had resigned in the first place.
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I think now we know the facts then I can see why Neil has been given a chance. Lets hope he takes it and we get enough points to stay in the league.
Two training sessions before the next game so plenty they can work on.
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Tolson appointment makes much more sense to me now after that statement.
GR was perfectly happy with the management team, his opinion is open to challenge, but given that would appear to be the case the rest of it makes sense. Lee resigned, Neil didn't, so do we sack Neil because Lee resigned - no because that would be unfair on Neil - perfectly reasonable statement and approach.
So now we either get a new manager in from nowhere - GR was happy with LS so won't have been sounding out any other managers - or we promote Neil to provide continuity, which if GR was happy with the management isn't a problem as far as he is concerned.
It also explains all the stuff in the original statement about injuries.
Clearly if the original statement had included the word 'resigned' it would have been much clearer from the start.
Personally I would have given Neil the job until we got a new number one in place rather than till the end of the season given Neil is on record as saying he didn't see himself as a manager.
it's the fact that GR was happy with the management team even thinking they were doing wonderful work which upsets and concerns me.
One thing though after all this is like Leon I have much more respect for LS now, unfortunately any respect I had for those running the club has gone out of the window
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At the end of the day guys, whether or not you agree with NT being named as caretaker boss is neither here nor there. If the players are making errors that lead to goals then it doesn't matter who is coaching them. They are good enough to keep us up if they fight for every game.
In the cold light of day its the players and them alone who will/or not, get us out of this hole we are presently in.
In truth, I have to say, we should put aside our differences about the club officials/coaches and players and for the next 10 games as we need (as a club) to support whoever is at the helm.
As most of you are aware, both myself and Jill are currently unable attend games but rest assured we are with you all in Spirit if not in person.
Perhaps we all should wait until 30 April then vent our opinions one way or another when we will know for sure where we are at.
Meanwhile lets let the lads know we are behind them for the run in...
C'mon Alty
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I will continue to support the team as always (though I'm glad there aren't any games I can get to for a while, to be honest) but this week's events have left me feeling as disillusioned with our club as I can remember being for a long time. Neil Tolson may be a nice guy for all I know but the decision to give him the manager's job is shocking, misguided and unjustifiable in footballing terms.
I share your pain. Laurence.
40+ years as an Alty supporter and I'm now seriously questioning exactly for whose benefit this club is being run and where the Chairman's priorities lie.
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So now we either get a new manager in from nowhere - GR was happy with LS so won't have been sounding out any other managers - or we promote Neil to provide continuity, which if GR was happy with the management isn't a problem as far as he is concerned.
I see precious little value in promoting "continuity" when that route was already leading us inexorably towards relegation though.
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I didn't say I agreed with it, I said I understood it.
When we thought LS was sacked giving Neil the job made no sense at all
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I didn't say I agreed with it, I said I understood it.
When we thought LS was sacked giving Neil the job made no sense at all
OK, I see where you are coming from.
Apologies for any damage incurred to your reputation!
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At the end of the day guys, whether or not you agree with NT being named as caretaker boss is neither here nor there. If the players are making errors that lead to goals then it doesn't matter who is coaching them. They are good enough to keep us up if they fight for every game.
In the cold light of day its the players and them alone who will/or not, get us out of this hole we are presently in.
In truth, I have to say, we should put aside our differences about the club officials/coaches and players and for the next 10 games as we need (as a club) to support whoever is at the helm.
As most of you are aware, both myself and Jill are currently unable attend games but rest assured we are with you all in Spirit if not in person.
Perhaps we all should wait until 30 April then vent our opinions one way or another when we will know for sure where we are at.
Meanwhile lets let the lads know we are behind them for the run in...
C'mon Alty
Exactly.
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At the end of the day guys, whether or not you agree with NT being named as caretaker boss is neither here nor there. If the players are making errors that lead to goals then it doesn't matter who is coaching them. They are good enough to keep us up if they fight for every game.
In the cold light of day its the players and them alone who will/or not, get us out of this hole we are presently in.
In truth, I have to say, we should put aside our differences about the club officials/coaches and players and for the next 10 games as we need (as a club) to support whoever is at the helm.
As most of you are aware, both myself and Jill are currently unable attend games but rest assured we are with you all in Spirit if not in person.
Perhaps we all should wait until 30 April then vent our opinions one way or another when we will know for sure where we are at.
Meanwhile lets let the lads know we are behind them for the run in...
C'mon Alty
Exactly.
Not exactly though is it. The players will line up and play the way the manager tells them. They'll draw confidence from their boss.
I'm afraid that we're doomed and I would be delighted if I'm proven wrong.
I want success more than anything for Tolson and the players. Good luck to them!
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Indeed beaver correct,if that was the case anyone could manage us,oh wait they are doing
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I'm a little worried about Tolson's assertion in his post match interview that "Jordan Sinnott is really a full back". While he's done a pretty good job there this season, the way Gateshead's winger ripped him a new one rather undermines that opinion. I'm seriously considering not bothering next season.
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I'm a little worried about Tolson's assertion in his post match interview that "Jordan Sinnott is really a full back". While he's done a pretty good job there this season, the way Gateshead's winger ripped him a new one rather undermines that opinion. I'm seriously considering not bothering next season.
Phil,
I reckon if we go down, there could well be other fans, myself included (32 years a supporter), considering the same thing. >:( >:(
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I'm a little worried about Tolson's assertion in his post match interview that "Jordan Sinnott is really a full back". While he's done a pretty good job there this season, the way Gateshead's winger ripped him a new one rather undermines that opinion. I'm seriously considering not bothering next season.
Phil,
I reckon if we go down, there could well be other fans, myself included (32 years a supporter), considering the same thing. >:( >:(
fully, agree I nearly 35 years a supporter but not sure I will be going again as things stand
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Enough is enough
Time for Rowley to go, he's running the club into the ground and making us a laughing stock
I can only see this getting very nasty for him, but he has very badly judged the mood.
Also reading his sickening comments, can we really trust this idiot's judgement anymore, is the club really safe in his hands?
Shareholders need to act quickly
I'm a share holder,
If the manager says he can't take the club any further, what is the chairman supposed to do??
Buy some shares yourself, which are available, and you come up with the answer.
You don't find managers, chairman, left backs, midfielders, or strikers in Tesco.
But maybe you can?????
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I'm a shareholder too, but likely 99% of us don't have the money to invest, however I'm pretty certain we wouldn't have had to go looking for a manager in Tesco's, Sainsbury's or wherever. There would have been a raft of them on the phone as soon as Lee Sinnott's departure was announced and I would hazard a guess a few CVs in the post as we speak, posted before Tolsons role was made permanent. This is all about giving a mate a job and nothing else.
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I'm a shareholder too, but likely 99% of us don't have the money to invest, however I'm pretty certain we wouldn't have had to go looking for a manager in Tesco's, Sainsbury's or wherever. There would have been a raft of them on the phone as soon as Lee Sinnott's departure was announced and I would hazard a guess a few CVs in the post as we speak, posted before Tolsons role was made permanent. This is all about giving a mate a job and nothing else.
So you are saying that Vangon Alty is correct.
That the chairman should go????
You didn't speak up at the AGM???????
Name names who's on the phone to be chairman or manager?!?!?!?
In fact, just give me ONE NAME.
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No I'm not suggesting he should go. I think he and the board have done a great job over the years but doesn't mean I'm impressed with his actions this week. You were suggesting how difficult it was to find a manager, I was just suggesting its not as hard as you think as managers will have approached the club. Its not my job to name names, but its the Chairman's job to appoint the right manager. Lets hope in this case he has case you're right and he has done.
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I'm just worried that we've not given ourselves a chance at all here on any level. I think a fair few of the players have switched off (since Barnsley actually) whether that be through lack of competition for places (likely) or just tiring of the management as LS seems to have concluded.
On this basis, if GR is right and the players are keen for Tols to take over then where's the incentive for them? He's already been given the job. No basis to pull together for him there. And this is a group of players who we know are better when they have something to aim for.
In the meantime we'll never know if 30 impressive managers or 30 muppets would've applied. What on earth happens if we lose to Aldershot and Halifax??
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What on earth happens if we lose to Aldershot and Halifax??
We spend our time 12 months hence wondering what happens if we lose to FCUM and Curzon.
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I'm just worried that we've not given ourselves a chance at all here on any level. I think a fair few of the players have switched off (since Barnsley actually) whether that be through lack of competition for places (likely) or just tiring of the management as LS seems to have concluded.
On this basis, if GR is right and the players are keen for Tols to take over then where's the incentive for them? He's already been given the job. No basis to pull together for him there. And this is a group of players who we know are better when they have something to aim for.
In the meantime we'll never know if 30 impressive managers or 30 muppets would've applied. What on earth happens if we lose to Aldershot and Halifax??
The thing that frustrates the most is that the club is surrounded by a real lack of ambition. The players are showing it on the pitch and the club has followed suit by believing that LS was performing well as manager, and thus surprised he resigned. Are we just accepting that we're a conf north club that has outperformed itself then?
Also, LS has resigned because he couldnt move the team forward, he didnt think he could avoid relegation. He believed he has been making the wrong decisions. So why oh why do we then pick the next manager based on it having his blessing? He is in a frame of mind where he, temporarily or not, has been making bad decisions for the team so what made the club think that it needed the outgoing managers blessings or backing for the new manager?
I know we aren't Man U or even Bury and we have to live within our means. I know that we all think we could runa football club and its actually a million times more difficult than we think. I also know that Mr Rowley and his family sweat blood for Alty and I am hugely grateful for all they do, I really am. However, just for once, is it too much to ask that the club takes a leaf out of the big boys books and does something thats reflective of a large professional organisation? Reading that 'we're a friendly club and do things differently' was soul destroying, it basically said 'we're tinpot'!
I'm trying to stop ranting now and support the team but I need to get this out of the system.
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I'm just worried that we've not given ourselves a chance at all here on any level. I think a fair few of the players have switched off (since Barnsley actually) whether that be through lack of competition for places (likely) or just tiring of the management as LS seems to have concluded.
On this basis, if GR is right and the players are keen for Tols to take over then where's the incentive for them? He's already been given the job. No basis to pull together for him there. And this is a group of players who we know are better when they have something to aim for.
In the meantime we'll never know if 30 impressive managers or 30 muppets would've applied. What on earth happens if we lose to Aldershot and Halifax??
The thing that frustrates the most is that the club is surrounded by a real lack of ambition. The players are showing it on the pitch and the club has followed suit by believing that LS was performing well as manager, and thus surprised he resigned. Are we just accepting that we're a conf north club that has outperformed itself then?
Also, LS has resigned because he couldnt move the team forward, he didnt think he could avoid relegation. He believed he has been making the wrong decisions. So why oh why do we then pick the next manager based on it having his blessing? He is in a frame of mind where he, temporarily or not, has been making bad decisions for the team so what made the club think that it needed the outgoing managers blessings or backing for the new manager?
I know we aren't Man U or even Bury and we have to live within our means. I know that we all think we could runa football club and its actually a million times more difficult than we think. I also know that Mr Rowley and his family sweat blood for Alty and I am hugely grateful for all they do, I really am. However, just for once, is it too much to ask that the club takes a leaf out of the big boys books and does something thats reflective of a large professional organisation? Reading that 'we're a friendly club and do things differently' was soul destroying, it basically said 'we're tinpot'!
I'm trying to stop ranting now and support the team but I need to get this out of the system.
I think this is an excellent post and hits the nail squarely on the head, spot on.
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We need to win our home games going down is not an option and fans wanting the chairman sacked is an all time low
This is the top flight of non league and we were founder members and yes the blue Square north is OK but crowds of 300
In certain grounds is just dog sh*t boring
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I'm just worried that we've not given ourselves a chance at all here on any level. I think a fair few of the players have switched off (since Barnsley actually) whether that be through lack of competition for places (likely) or just tiring of the management as LS seems to have concluded.
I'd go a little bit forward and say not looked the same since Colchester. We've just never recovered from it. On Saturday as soon as we went 2-1 down the heads went down. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and get going again. Many on here agree that this side is better than the table suggests, so it's up to them to show they are.
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I'm just worried that we've not given ourselves a chance at all here on any level. I think a fair few of the players have switched off (since Barnsley actually) whether that be through lack of competition for places (likely) or just tiring of the management as LS seems to have concluded.
I'd go a little bit forward and say not looked the same since Colchester. We've just never recovered from it. On Saturday as soon as we went 2-1 down the heads went down. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and get going again. Many on here agree that this side is better than the table suggests, so it's up to them to show they are.
I tend to agree with Nasha here, that the Colchester result really knocked the stuffing out of everyone.
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I'm a little worried about Tolson's assertion in his post match interview that "Jordan Sinnott is really a full back". While he's done a pretty good job there this season, the way Gateshead's winger ripped him a new one rather undermines that opinion. I'm seriously considering not bothering next season.
Phil,
I reckon if we go down, there could well be other fans, myself included (32 years a supporter), considering the same thing. >:( >:(
fully, agree I nearly 35 years a supporter but not sure I will be going again as things stand
Don't bother coming for the rest of the season. Don't need "fans" with that attitude.
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I've been supporting alty since 88 I ain't ever going to quit it's a massive
Problem when fans give up going until we get a big game but I would not enjoy
The blue Square north but ile still go when I can
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Bring back Robbie Lawton asap for a start!!
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I'm a little worried about Tolson's assertion in his post match interview that "Jordan Sinnott is really a full back". While he's done a pretty good job there this season, the way Gateshead's winger ripped him a new one rather undermines that opinion. I'm seriously considering not bothering next season.
Phil,
I reckon if we go down, there could well be other fans, myself included (32 years a supporter), considering the same thing. >:( >:(
fully, agree I nearly 35 years a supporter but not sure I will be going again as things stand
Don't bother coming for the rest of the season. Don't need "fans" with that attitude.
So you'd rather have 200 fans with the "right" attitude than 700 who are pissed off with the garbage they're persistently offered, yet still turn up regularly ?
The club would be in the North West Counties by 2022 with that business model.
When I said I might not bother, I was thinking more in terms of my season ticket.
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I think it's really out of order to condemn fans for saying they're having difficulty contemplating following Alty next season. These people have followed the club through thick and thin for years. Maybe they are just sick of perpetually going round in circles - I know how they feel.
Look, the point is, anyone looking at the table would be wondering what we're all moaning about. On paper, we have as much chance as anybody of getting out of bother (particularly given our relatively kind fixture list). However, we're not stupid. We know we are on a downward spiral and most of us have come to the conclusion that the personnel we have are just not good enough to stay up. That's what is making the whole 'let's do sod all' approach so hard to stomach. There has been an acceptance of relegation for quite a while now (Colchester, Barnsley whatever) and a managerial change might, just might have given us the boost needed to get us over the line IT HAS AT OTHER CLUBS. That's bloody frustrating.
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I'm a little worried about Tolson's assertion in his post match interview that "Jordan Sinnott is really a full back". While he's done a pretty good job there this season, the way Gateshead's winger ripped him a new one rather undermines that opinion. I'm seriously considering not bothering next season.
Phil,
I reckon if we go down, there could well be other fans, myself included (32 years a supporter), considering the same thing. >:( >:(
fully, agree I nearly 35 years a supporter but not sure I will be going again as things stand
Don't bother coming for the rest of the season. Don't need "fans" with that attitude.
You might not need "fans" with that attitude, but the club sure as hell needs the money from any kind of "fan".
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If you can't be arsed supporting the club in the Conference North you don't deserve to be a part of Conference National and FA Cup experiences. You're more than welcome to f**k it off if you've not the time for it, funny how you'd condemn the club for having the same attitude though.
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Not all about going down,the appointment of Tolson is simply accepting relegation
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If you can't be arsed supporting the club in the Conference North you don't deserve to be a part of Conference National and FA Cup experiences. You're more than welcome to f**k it off if you've not the time for it, funny how you'd condemn the club for having the same attitude though.
my disillusionment is due to the way the club is being run, not the conference north, I can take that. But I can't accept the way the club is being run at the moment
It has a cancer of nepotism at it's heart, my fear is unless it's cut out now it will be terminal. As Cult pointed out we have become just a community sports hall now and not a football club anymore
Those that run the club have lost track of what we stand for, they have forgotten the responsibility they owe to the supporters as they are custodian's of this football club. It is not their's to do as they will with
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If you can't be arsed supporting the club in the Conference North you don't deserve to be a part of Conference National and FA Cup experiences. You're more than welcome to f**k it off if you've not the time for it, funny how you'd condemn the club for having the same attitude though.
Harsh. It's a supporting a football club, not raising a child.
I've agreed with very little LofD has posted on this thread, but it's his money and his free time. Presuming he pays his way in and doesn't do something at games to result in being banned, then he can pick which games he wants to go to for any reason he feels like. Lots more people went to the Barnsley game than turned up every week in the Conference North, but I was glad we swelled the attendance, not annoyed there were loads of people there who didn't bother when Workington on a Tuesday night.
I'll be there next season no matter what, but I'm not going to tell others what they should do whether we stay up or not.
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If you can't be arsed supporting the club in the Conference North you don't deserve to be a part of Conference National and FA Cup experiences. You're more than welcome to f**k it off if you've not the time for it, funny how you'd condemn the club for having the same attitude though.
Harsh. It's a supporting a football club, not raising a child.
I've agreed with very little LofD has posted on this thread, but it's his money and his free time. Presuming he pays his way in and doesn't do something at games to result in being banned, then he can pick which games he wants to go to for any reason he feels like. Lots more people went to the Barnsley game than turned up every week in the Conference North, but I was glad we swelled the attendance, not annoyed there were loads of people there who didn't bother when Workington on a Tuesday night.
I'll be there next season no matter what, but I'm not going to tell others what they should do whether we stay up or not.
A grand total of 0 of them probably really care about the club's current situation. They are there for the occasion more than the support of the club. You can't criticise those floating customers because they aren't the ones with accounts on the forum posting considered opinions dozens of times a day. They aren't "35 years a supporter." So to see people, who seemingly do care that much, consider f**king it off if we get relegated really winds me up.
Of course people have autonomy over their own money and time. That doesn't mean I can't criticise what they intend to do with it, especially when they've obviously been well invested in the football club's fortunes.
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What a load of bollocks I know dozens of Alty fans who follow and support the club but dont go to every game like they once did, there are many reasons for this and there personal. The great guy who runs this forum being one of them?
If they can make a special effort a few times a year for the big occasions all the better to see them around.
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What a load of bollocks I know dozens of Alty fans who follow and support the club but dont go to every game like they once did, there are many reasons for this and there personal. The great guy who runs this forum being one of them?
If they can make a special effort a few times a year for the big occasions all the better to see them around.
Those people don't come out and say they can't be arsed based on the league the club are competing in, something I've seen from a few people on here. I don't agree with it, sorry.
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If you can't be arsed supporting the club in the Conference North you don't deserve to be a part of Conference National and FA Cup experiences. You're more than welcome to f**k it off if you've not the time for it, funny how you'd condemn the club for having the same attitude though.
my disillusionment is due to the way the club is being run, not the conference north, I can take that. But I can't accept the way the club is being run at the moment
It has a cancer of nepotism at it's heart, my fear is unless it's cut out now it will be terminal. As Cult pointed out we have become just a community sports hall now and not a football club anymore
Those that run the club have lost track of what we stand for, they have forgotten the responsibility they owe to the supporters as they are custodian's of this football club. It is not their's to do as they will with
excellent post Woofer
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If you can't be arsed supporting the club in the Conference North you don't deserve to be a part of Conference National and FA Cup experiences. You're more than welcome to f**k it off if you've not the time for it, funny how you'd condemn the club for having the same attitude though.
my disillusionment is due to the way the club is being run, not the conference north, I can take that. But I can't accept the way the club is being run at the moment
It has a cancer of nepotism at it's heart, my fear is unless it's cut out now it will be terminal. As Cult pointed out we have become just a community sports hall now and not a football club anymore
Those that run the club have lost track of what we stand for, they have forgotten the responsibility they owe to the supporters as they are custodian's of this football club. It is not their's to do as they will with
excellent post Woofer
I can completely accept people falling out of love with the club and not coming to games as a result. My point was about relegation.
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Fair enough
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That pretty much sums up my thinking too. Obviously there are things behind the scenes that we don't get to see but this is very much how the club looks to me given the facts I have.
I was hoping for some bold and open thinking to put something in place to get us out of this mess but it seems that won't happen. What an utter shame. I really really hope something can be pulled out of the bag to enable us to stay up and restore some of the self respect parts of the back page of this week's NLP damaged.
My disillusionment is due to the way the club is being run, not the conference north, I can take that. But I can't accept the way the club is being run at the moment
It has a cancer of nepotism at it's heart, my fear is unless it's cut out now it will be terminal. As Cult pointed out we have become just a community sports hall now and not a football club anymore
Those that run the club have lost track of what we stand for, they have forgotten the responsibility they owe to the supporters as they are custodian's of this football club. It is not their's to do as they will with
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One decent result on Saturday will make all these comments nul and void.
Come on lads you know what to do. Neil, best of luck on your home debut as manager; all do all you can to make us feel good again and get everyone off your backs.
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One decent result on Saturday will make all these comments nul and void.
no it won't
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Oh yes it will!!!!!
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Oh yes it will!!!!!
You're easily pleased.....
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Oh yes it will!!!!!
respect Steve from Sale you were right and I was wrong
We are staying up!
You are the one, we could all do with listening a little more to you.....just like that goal at Kiddy, you always have it right
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Still a lot of work to do Woofer, but on today's performance no reason why we should not get further wins, just need to keep the momentum going