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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on December 30, 2015, 11:23:47 AM
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Really need a result of sorts at the deva on Saturday. All those in and around us have tough games on paper
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Sinnott----Leather----Havern-----Griffin
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-------------O'keefe-----Richman
Crowther
---------------------Lawrie
------------------------Reeves
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Agree that this team is probably the best (the only one) we have. Is Dens still 99% fit? Will lose 1-0.
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Deasey
Sinnott Leather Havern GRiffin
Crowther Moult Richman Clee
Lawrie
Reeves
Carry on as we finished Monday, Get as far in front as we can, keep Clee on as long as possible.
Massive game
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Thats the line up I would go with or perhaps start Nicky and see if we can get our noses in front
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Deasey
Sinnott Leather Havern GRiffin
Crowther Moult Richman Clee
Lawrie
Reeves
Carry on as we finished Monday, Get as far in front as we can, keep Clee on as long as possible.
Massive game
not back for this but agree with this team,if dens was fit I'd say swap him for Sinnott and that's are best 11 regardless of injuries
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Agree with Jimmy (if everyone, ie Clee was fit too) but worth giving Sinnott a mention here. Filled in relatively well in an unfamiliar position in an emergency.
Not praise for the sake of it, if he'd been playing midfield or right mid it should've been par for the course but we'd have been in a right hole of he hadn't adapted (Richman would ptobably be there)
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Agree with Jimmy (if everyone, ie Clee was fit too) but worth giving Sinnott a mention here. Filled in relatively well in an unfamiliar position in an emergency.
Not praise for the sake of it, if he'd been playing midfield or right mid it should've been par for the course but we'd have been in a right hole of he hadn't adapted (Richman would ptobably be there)
He's adapted to such a degree that Dens might be worth moving into a five man midfield when he comes back.
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I Agree that Sinnott has done well but dens is a quality right back and an average midfielder or he was when he played their last
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Dens has to play at the back .
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When he's fit Densmore has to be first choice right-back; the problem is that he's not going to be fit for a while yet from all accounts. Sinnott has got better as stand-in but I'm sure he wouldn't claim to be a natural defender; however he is the best we have available at present. Nicky Clee is unlikely to last much more than half an hour at the moment & in my opinion is best used in the last third of the game. I would favour starting on Saturday with O'Keefe instead of Rankine, allowing Lawrie to start the game where he finished on Monday. For the last 25 min or so at Tranmere he was as excellent as he had been poor in the first hour - mainly because he is totally unsuited to playing in midfield & is best in the role behind the main striker. So -
Deasy
Sinnott-Havern-Leather-Griffin
Richman- O'Keefe- Moult-Crowther
Lawrie
Reeves
Subs - Rankine, Clee, Heathcote, Bowerman, Williams (so as to maximise available experience - though I'm far from convinced that Bowerman is worth persevering with)
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I'm feeling quite positive about this one, don't know why (think it's because we already beat Chester when we had a depleted squad this year).
I'm going for a 3-2 goal fest with us finally converting the chances we have been creating.
Then again having said that I wouldn't care if it was 1-0 and it went in off someone a*se, as long as it's 3 points I will be happy.
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I'm not going, so we'll win.
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I'm not going, so we'll win.
I'm not likely to be there either - no way do I want to share my cold/flu germs with the Alty faithful - so I hope you're right!
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Braintree - Borehamwood - OFF
Cheltenham - Kidderminster - OFF
Eastleigh - Bromley - OFF
Weather is shocking in the South West where I am.
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It is awful in the South East as well. Our garden is flooded. With heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day expect more postponements. I hope it is too wet for my wife to insist that I take her shopping!
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Leamington is off.
Not looking good for Tuesday.
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excellent I can't make Tuesday!
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It's far from good, if it's off on Tuesday it'll be played the Saturday of the next round meaning a trip to Bognor Regis in midweek for the winner of the tie
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
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Just seen lineups -
Deasy; Griffin, Moult, Havern, Leather, Lawrie, Richman, Rankine, Reeves, O'Keefe, Sinnott.
Subs Clee, Heathcote, Bowerman, Swift, Williams.
Crowther injured? sick? Anyone know?
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It's far from good, if it's off on Tuesday it'll be played the Saturday of the next round meaning a trip to Bognor Regis in midweek for the winner of the tie
Would they not go for Tuesday 12th first?
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It's far from good, if it's off on Tuesday it'll be played the Saturday of the next round meaning a trip to Bognor Regis in midweek for the winner of the tie
Would they not go for Tuesday 12th first?
Isn't the Wrexham match that night? The game postponed because of the FA Cup 2nd round?
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I forgot about the 12th yes they'll probably cancel the Wrexham game
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Deasy, Sinnott, Griffin, Havern (c), Leather, Moult, Richman, O'Keefe, Lawrie, Reeves, Rankine
Subs Clee, Bowerman, Heathcote, Williams, Swift
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Can they cancel an already postponed game?
Anyway today's line up looks very narrow, wouldn't you say?
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
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It's far from good, if it's off on Tuesday it'll be played the Saturday of the next round meaning a trip to Bognor Regis in midweek for the winner of the tie
Would they not go for Tuesday 12th first?
Isn't the Wrexham match that night? The game postponed because of the FA Cup 2nd round?
Yes, but the FA could require it to be postponed in order to get the Trophy tie in.
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Can they cancel an already postponed game?
Anyway today's line up looks very narrow, wouldn't you say?
Either very narrow, or (as I suspect) we'll be playing 4-4-2 with Lawrie and O'Keefe out of position ???
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I rather suspect you are right.
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Crowther and Sinnott (Snr) miss out due to viruses
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Is that the 442 formation that were not very good at!!!!
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I hope that's not game over, but I suspect it might be...
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We need reinforcements and quickly before it's too late!!
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Who will score first in 2016, Man U or Alty?
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Wrong answer unfortunately!!!
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We need reinforcements and quickly before it's too late!!
waited 4 weeks too long already .. we have no more time to waste
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Man U and Alty can't stop scoring lol
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Reeves off injured and now clee stretchered off, no choice but to get some players in now
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Both reeves and Clee carried off .. even more urgency required
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Reeves off injured and now clee stretchered off, no choice but to get some players in now
just beat me to it .. Clee has not been right all season
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I will suggest a strikers name ,local lad James Hooper who has played for Rochdale first team recently
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Good point under the circumstances
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Glad to have ended a losing sequence. Got to be on the phone tonight/tomorrow and scouring the free agents lists. We can't keep trying to blag it. Very unfortunate, but we can risk our status in this league
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Glad to have ended a losing sequence. Got to be on the phone tonight/tomorrow and scouring the free agents lists. We can't keep trying to blag it. Very unfortunate, but we can risk our status in this league
Most posters on this forum have been saying this for most the season. Your dead right Pete. We are blagging it. Now it sounds like Clee is now completely bolloxed . If we don't act soon to get replacements then were relegation material.
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Surely the extra outlay for a couple of squad reinforcements now will be offset by the financial benefits of staying in this league next year. I can understand why it is a difficult decision to make though.
Pleased with a point today, sounded like we had to dig deep to get it.
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Long term injuries
Griffith - not replaced
Coburn out for the seaspn replaced by youth teamer on bench - OK
Marshall out for months replaced by Heathcote - seems to be doing OK
Densmore out for unknown time - not replaced (Sinnot doing OK but we now have no cover in midfield)
Clee not match fit for 90 minutes - not replaced
Add in the short term injuries and we have been overly stretched with only Parry coming in for Havern. a squad of 18 cannot can't carry this many injuries - it's not even debatable
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
Absolutely, why can't he arrange his illnesses for the close season.
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
Absolutely, why can't he arrange his illnesses for the close season.
well managers get sick all the time don't they - I guess its's more about desire, bottle, guts - Sinnott has none of this
If he is sick fair play - but then he needs to go, we need a manager to manage not give a sick note. How is he going to sign any players if he so sick?
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
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I'm sorry but I was a bit fed up when Nicky Clee started the season unfit, and he hasn't been match fit at any stage since. We shouldn't even be playing him. He's recently been playing despite obvious problems and was a ticking time bomb as a result.
Its a shame to see it happen to one of my all-time favourites but I'm actually quite annoyed, he'll no doubt be one of our higher earners so its frustrating. I'd probably expect him to go at the end of the season.
I know that's probably going to be unpopular but we're short on the wings as it is. That being said, I really hope he can get himself sorted out because he's dynamite when he's fresh.
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
Ive said this before, but it isn't ideal having a manager that lives in the opposite side of the country to the club he manages. How the hell can he keep an eye on local players and keep his finger on the pulse.
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
Absolutely, why can't he arrange his illnesses for the close season.
well managers get sick all the time don't they - I guess its's more about desire, bottle, guts - Sinnott has none of this
If he is sick fair play - but then he needs to go, we need a manager to manage not give a sick note. How is he going to sign any players if he so sick?
So sick of you on here, just shut up you idiot.
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
Ive said this before, but it isn't ideal having a manager that lives in the opposite side of the country to the club he manages. How the hell can he keep an eye on local players and keep his finger on the pulse.
Fair point, but what do you define as local?
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
Because we could be giving that wage to someone that can play ninety minutes to a decent level. He won't be on peanuts.
I'm not one to get sentimental really, Clee has consistently been one of our best players for years now but when he turned up unfit at the start of the season the question marks were already there for me. He then got injured and now needs an operation because he's been making cameo appearances on borrowed time.
We need more from our top earners and it isn't silly to presume that Clee is one of them.
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Relegation would be a disaster, and it's well on the cards, especially now that Nicky Clee will surely be missing for weeks / months.
Gates would drop to 700, and there's a big chance the better players won't sign on again. I'm not sure how any resulting holes in the squad would be filled, given the current management's reliance on ex-Port Vale players and Tamesiders, of which both pools have long since run dry. That's assuming of course, that the current management team was retained.
The squad feels to me like a business being run down.
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
if Clee is waiting for an op why is he playing at all? Serious injury was just waiting to happen
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
Absolutely, why can't he arrange his illnesses for the close season.
well managers get sick all the time don't they - I guess its's more about desire, bottle, guts - Sinnott has none of this
If he is sick fair play - but then he needs to go, we need a manager to manage not give a sick note. How is he going to sign any players if he so sick?
So sick of you on here, just shut up you idiot.
who's the daddy?
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
if Clee is waiting for an op why is he playing at all? Serious injury was just waiting to happen
Continuing to run with a ridiculously small squad has meant game time being demanded out of unfit players. It did Densmore and Rankine in, and now Clee.. Arguably Reeves too considering the mileage he has put in over the last couple of weeks. It does nothing but highlight the need for more players. If it was done weeks ago we may not be in this situation.
We need to bring in some players on loan. It really is that simple.
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I wonder if the club has some sort of group income protection policy (I seem to think someone mentioning this a few months back - Jenga maybe?).
At least with such a policy, the insurance company would pay the salaries of the incapacitated players, freeing up the money for replacements. I have no idea how much these policies cost, but I'd think it may have paid for itself this season.
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You are now talking utter crap Capitano. Clee picked up a groin injury in our last but one pre-season game, he didnt "turn up unfit".
As the injury isnt severe it was hoped injections would sort it, they havent. He needs a minor op which would solve it within 4/5 weeks, following which he should hopefully be OK.
The doom mongers like you and eighties Robin need to take a happy pill >:(
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You are now talking utter crap Capitano. Clee picked up a groin injury in our last but one pre-season game, he didnt "turn up unfit".
As the injury isnt severe it was hoped injections would sort it, they havent. He needs a minor op which would solve it within 4/5 weeks, following which he should hopefully be OK.
The doom mongers like you and eighties Robin need to take a happy pill >:(
He was blowing out of his arse in the friendlies mate.
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
Ive said this before, but it isn't ideal having a manager that lives in the opposite side of the country to the club he manages. How the hell can he keep an eye on local players and keep his finger on the pulse.
Fair point, but what do you define as local?
I would suggest an area of 40-50 miles there must be hundreds of clubs at all levels. I would also say they will be plenty of clubs that have players to loan or available who are good enough to compete at National league level
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It's been said numerous times about Clee that he's awaiting an op, so of course he's not going to be 100%! To suggest he goes end of season is ludicrous, high earner or not what's that got to do with anything? There's a few others I'd hope were shipped out well before Clee.
I don't usually do negative and calm down but that was f**king dreadful. We aren't being turned over 4/5-0 but we don't ever look like scoring, fair do's to Rankine with his header but Worsnop is poor and again made the mistake. A look at the goals against and scored column shows how poor we are with goals this year. We need reinforcements - simple, none of the crap about wel what's the point in the short term and it doesn't address this and that, if we don't we will get dragged into the sh*t. Everyone else barr us is active, Barrow signing a lad who's from Warrington. I don't believe for one second the budget is all gone, so now I'm thinking Sinnott and his recruiting capabilities are poor? Something doesn't add up. I've not looked yet but Clee & Reeves both going off today can only make the point about more BODIES even more a priority.
if Clee is waiting for an op why is he playing at all? Serious injury was just waiting to happen
Because we are down to literally sweet FA. Clearly Sinnott had tried to get away bringing him on when we are losing around the 70th minute, ideally we wouldn't be losing but we've been in crap form in the league. I was surprised to see him brought on at half time today to be honest. It was an accident waiting to happen.
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He was blowing out of his arse in the friendlies mate.
And I thought only you did that ::)
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The fact is are most creative player is injured now,crowther is also struggling with fitness if we don't pick up a decent wide player it's very worrying
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The fact is are most creative player is injured now,crowther is also struggling with fitness if we don't pick up a decent wide player it's very worrying
thing is we should have strengthend in October and we wouldnt be in the mess, having to play unfit players
Time for a re-think
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I forgot about the 12th yes they'll probably cancel the Wrexham game
I think the game will be switched to the 12th as more rain is forecast for tomorrow and Mon. Switching Leamington to SAT 16th would suit me better for personal reasons.
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Just a bit of positive.
Thought the boys did really well to come back from a goal down.
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It's a fair point away at chester
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If you want cheering up. Have a look at Devachat to read about distraught Chester fans who are gutted to only draw with Alty.
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The fact is are most creative player is injured now,crowther is also struggling with fitness if we don't pick up a decent wide player it's very worrying
What's worrying is that we're naming the same XI pretty much week in, week out due to a complete lack of alternate options. Easy to scout, quicker to tire as the fixtures congest, and much more likely to pick up injuries like Reeves' today.
At the end of the day we've been forcing a severely unfit 32 year old into making cameo appearances at 50% fit for months, when in reality something should have been done to ensure we weren't relying on the same XI. Nothing has changed except further deterioration in the situation. Clee shouldn't have been anywhere near the squad and wouldn't have been had we reinforced our options. I honestly find it absurd that we've only made one (emergency) loan signing this season.
Its nothing some of us haven't been saying for months now, as Ham said it should have all been sorted out in October; I'll do one better and give you the date, 24/10/15 the moment we beat Chester in the FA Cup.
The reason most of us were saying it back then was because it was clear to see the situation we would end up in. We can't go the season naming the same eleven and filling out the bench with youth and reserve players who, with the exception of young Heathcote, are clearly not up to standard or they would have been given a bigger role to play.
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Been on Deva Chat , funny it reads a lot like ours , guess every chat page at every club is like that .
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We were dreadful first half.
Better when we went 4-4-2 but only because of Clees willingness to run at players. Felt sorry for O'keefe who was sacrificed. He wasn't any worse than any other player. Looked the more likely to win the game once we'd levelled until Reeves and Clee went off. Had a couple of chances to win it late on.
All in all a point gained against a poor outfit
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The fact is are most creative player is injured now,crowther is also struggling with fitness if we don't pick up a decent wide player it's very worrying
What's worrying is that we're naming the same XI pretty much week in, week out due to a complete lack of alternate options. Easy to scout, quicker to tire as the fixtures congest, and much more likely to pick up injuries like Reeves' today.
At the end of the day we've been forcing a severely unfit 32 year old into making cameo appearances at 50% fit for months, when in reality something should have been done to ensure we weren't relying on the same XI. Nothing has changed except further deterioration in the situation. Clee shouldn't have been anywhere near the squad and wouldn't have been had we reinforced our options. I honestly find it absurd that we've only made one (emergency) loan signing this season.
Its nothing some of us haven't been saying for months now, as Ham said it should have all been sorted out in October; I'll do one better and give you the date, 24/10/15 the moment we beat Chester in the FA Cup.
The reason most of us were saying it back then was because it was clear to see the situation we would end up in. We can't go the season naming the same eleven and filling out the bench with youth and reserve players who, with the exception of young Heathcote, are clearly not up to standard or they would have been given a bigger role to play.
There's a simple solution Andrew, just go along to the club tomorrow with your cheque book and I'm sure LS will go out and get someone to keep you happy. We have had one home game in ages, where do you think money comes from,.. on trees?
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we may have to take a risk because we will have a lot less money with crowds of 800
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
Absolutely, why can't he arrange his illnesses for the close season.
well managers get sick all the time don't they - I guess its's more about desire, bottle, guts - Sinnott has none of this
If he is sick fair play - but then he needs to go, we need a manager to manage not give a sick note. How is he going to sign any players if he so sick?
Instead of this continually transparent tirade of nonsense that you direct towards your quest to have the manager sacked why don't you say something constructive like what the club should do once he's relieved of his duties? Who do we bring in?
Instead of 'I told you so' as well why don't you tell us all what will happen in the next 4 weeks and then just post after its all happened to confirm you were right.
That way the rest of us don't need to bleed our eyes reading your endless incessant and somewhat tedious drivel.
Good point today, we need to get Crowther fit and sign a couple. Not all that bad.
Onwards to Leamington!
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The fact is are most creative player is injured now,crowther is also struggling with fitness if we don't pick up a decent wide player it's very worrying
What's worrying is that we're naming the same XI pretty much week in, week out due to a complete lack of alternate options. Easy to scout, quicker to tire as the fixtures congest, and much more likely to pick up injuries like Reeves' today.
At the end of the day we've been forcing a severely unfit 32 year old into making cameo appearances at 50% fit for months, when in reality something should have been done to ensure we weren't relying on the same XI. Nothing has changed except further deterioration in the situation. Clee shouldn't have been anywhere near the squad and wouldn't have been had we reinforced our options. I honestly find it absurd that we've only made one (emergency) loan signing this season.
Its nothing some of us haven't been saying for months now, as Ham said it should have all been sorted out in October; I'll do one better and give you the date, 24/10/15 the moment we beat Chester in the FA Cup.
The reason most of us were saying it back then was because it was clear to see the situation we would end up in. We can't go the season naming the same eleven and filling out the bench with youth and reserve players who, with the exception of young Heathcote, are clearly not up to standard or they would have been given a bigger role to play.
There's a simple solution Andrew, just go along to the club tomorrow with your cheque book and I'm sure LS will go out and get someone to keep you happy. We have had one home game in ages, where do you think money comes from,.. on trees?
In that case, let's get all the home games out the way and get relegated!
The squad budget will be agreed I'm sure between LS and GR at the beginning of the season, if we are waiting on gate receipts income then that would be a big worry, especially having some extra in the bank from the FA cup run that allegedly ISNT budgeted for. We aren't talking about signing on fees and the sorts, just a couple of able bodies that can do a job, they're out there - everyone knows it!
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The fact is are most creative player is injured now,crowther is also struggling with fitness if we don't pick up a decent wide player it's very worrying
What's worrying is that we're naming the same XI pretty much week in, week out due to a complete lack of alternate options. Easy to scout, quicker to tire as the fixtures congest, and much more likely to pick up injuries like Reeves' today.
At the end of the day we've been forcing a severely unfit 32 year old into making cameo appearances at 50% fit for months, when in reality something should have been done to ensure we weren't relying on the same XI. Nothing has changed except further deterioration in the situation. Clee shouldn't have been anywhere near the squad and wouldn't have been had we reinforced our options. I honestly find it absurd that we've only made one (emergency) loan signing this season.
Its nothing some of us haven't been saying for months now, as Ham said it should have all been sorted out in October; I'll do one better and give you the date, 24/10/15 the moment we beat Chester in the FA Cup.
The reason most of us were saying it back then was because it was clear to see the situation we would end up in. We can't go the season naming the same eleven and filling out the bench with youth and reserve players who, with the exception of young Heathcote, are clearly not up to standard or they would have been given a bigger role to play.
There's a simple solution Andrew, just go along to the club tomorrow with your cheque book and I'm sure LS will go out and get someone to keep you happy. We have had one home game in ages, where do you think money comes from,.. on trees?
An FA Cup run to the second round against two League One sides. EDIT: And, of course, the qualifier.
You're dead right though, I want the club to sign players so I'm happy. That's definitely what it is.
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I too am concerned now especially after the injuries today and the news that Dens still isnt right.
Its 2nd January, the transfer window just opened, you know LS dislikes loaning players. I wouldnt be surprised if LS is looking at reinforcements soon.
The point I was making wasnt about cashflow, its about the fact that games budgetted for decent attendances like boxing day wont be achieved limiting our scope to pay for players. Get it now?
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I too am concerned now especially after the injuries today and the news that Dens still isnt right.
Its 2nd January, the transfer window just opened, you know LS dislikes loaning players. I wouldnt be surprised if LS is looking at reinforcements soon.
The point I was making wasnt about cashflow, its about the fact that games budgetted for decent attendances like boxing day wont be achieved limiting our scope to pay for players. Get it now?
Not really, the fact Boxing Day was cancelled should have no bearing whatsoever on possible loan signings. Cashflow/attendances etc are all budgeted for at the BEGINNING of the season not as we go along! Like I've said previously, there's plenty out there who don't cost the earth, get it now?
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There are plenty out there .
But they have to be RIGHT for this club.
I personally think we will bring in some new faces now.
What positions do we think we should be strengthening, and how many should we bring in??
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Blackpool Alty
We budgetted for a boxing day home game with a big attendance at the beginning of the season.
Yes/No delete as appropriate,.....
Game postponed,.. so when played on a tuesday the attendance will be say half that, around 10K less, half a players wages for the season. Get it now :-\
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Back to the script....the offy has a picture with the caption "Rankine scores the winner". Thought it was a 1-1 draw but maybe I've had a few scoops too many. Up the Robins!
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...or even, "Rankine heads the winner".... confused.com!
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Blackpool Alty
We budgetted for a boxing day home game with a big attendance at the beginning of the season.
Yes/No delete as appropriate,.....
Game postponed,.. so when played on a tuesday the attendance will be say half that, around 10K less, half a players wages for the season. Get it now :-\
FA cup money in the bank NOT budgeted for ffs! Going round in circles this, so will have to disagree to agree. Let's just plod on and do sweet FA because the Chester game attracts an attendance of 1,200 instead of 2,000.
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Blackpool Alty
We budgetted for a boxing day home game with a big attendance at the beginning of the season.
Yes/No delete as appropriate,.....
Game postponed,.. so when played on a tuesday the attendance will be say half that, around 10K less, half a players wages for the season. Get it now :-\
If our ability to sign a few players on emergency loan has been jeopardised because of something like that then we don't deserve to be competing at this level.
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Every time someone mentions adding to the squad then the Get your cheque book out then brigade start..
We didn't have money to build the CSH but it was built.
If we haven't got any money or we just don't want to have a bigger squad then get the fkn manager to say so on the club site.
One thing is for sure. We will not survive on scrimping and scraping in this league. We need to get some players in one way or another
The one thing the so called moaners on this forum do is CARE ....
If we want to sit at the top table of non league football, then action on squad numbers is essential..
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Burr doesn't sound happy
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35215936
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we may have to take a risk because we will have a lot less money with crowds of 800
Reduced gate receipts (smaller crowds, 2 fewer home league games per season, and possibly reducing gate prices back to National League North prices)
Reduced bar receipts
Reduced food receipts
Wages will probably be reduced to reflect circumstances, increasing the probability that players may be tempted elsewhere
Reduced visibility in the national media
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Blackpool Alty
We budgetted for a boxing day home game with a big attendance at the beginning of the season.
Yes/No delete as appropriate,.....
Game postponed,.. so when played on a tuesday the attendance will be say half that, around 10K less, half a players wages for the season. Get it now :-\
A bit naïve not to factor in time of year/weather in that budget outlook. Also I don't expect the club budgeted for a decent cup run which would have more than offset the cost of Boxing day, which is still to be rescheduled.
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I too am concerned now especially after the injuries today and the news that Dens still isnt right.
Its 2nd January, the transfer window just opened, you know LS dislikes loaning players. I wouldnt be surprised if LS is looking at reinforcements soon.
The point I was making wasnt about cashflow, its about the fact that games budgetted for decent attendances like boxing day wont be achieved limiting our scope to pay for players. Get it now?
Despite all this debate, I stand by what I said above,... With Clee out, Dens still struggling and now maybe Reevesy injured, I agree we really need an extra body up front, problem is finding anyone any good.
I imagine thats the main problem LS has, finding someone who is worth the money. Not just anyone for the sake of it.
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I expect most managers in all levels of football have the problem of finding a decent striker or indeed any player.
My argument is, to do nothing is not an option.
One more thing then I will shut up on this matter.. Maybe, just maybe. The manager has learnt the lesson that running with a squad of players of limited numbers is not tenable and hopefully next season that we wont be sat on here in August bemoaning the fact that the squad is light.
I respect the clubs position with the squad but, if these kids apart from Sam are not playing then you cannot count them as squad players other than to satisfy the FA that we can fill the bench..
I wish no ill will to anyone at this club. All I want to see is that away end with plenty of people in it and the only way that will happen is in the National League...
Here endeth...
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At the end of the day , we all want the best for the club , and Lee has done a good job in my opinion , we dont know what the clubs finances are , but hopefully we can look at players in new transfer window , i know for sure i would not like to be a manager , you can never please all off the people all of the time .
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Firstly I hope Nicky and Damian make speedy recoveries, any news on either of them?
What was all the booing yesterday about when Nicky needed a stretcher? noticed also few applauded him off from there side, poor show from that respect.
On the football side, we were spirited, especially after Nicky went off and we could have nicked the three points at the end. Thought Deasy had a good game overall, pity he lost his footing when they scored.
Interested to see if we sign any players loan or otherwise unless money is tight and we have to manage.
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Just read the main site, Neil gives an update, so looks like Nicky will be out for a couple of months then at least. My son and I noticed Damian stretching his hammies in the warm up, wonder if they were a little stiff?
Good to see we are looking for reinforcements, lets hope we cam find the personnel required.
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Firstly I hope Nicky and Damian make speedy recoveries, any news on either of them?
What was all the booing yesterday about when Nicky needed a stretcher? noticed also few applauded him off from there side, poor show from that respect.
On the football side, we were spirited, especially after Nicky went off and we could have nicked the three points at the end. Thought Deasy had a good game overall, pity he lost his footing when they scored.
Interested to see if we sign any players loan or otherwise unless money is tight and we have to manage.
Noticed that as well.
I don't think I saw one fan from behind the home goal clap, or show any respect when, Nicky was carried off.
On the football side.
Their forum thinks we were a very poor side.
The stats say we had more possession , and shots on goal than Chester.
So what does that make them???
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Every time someone mentions adding to the squad then the Get your cheque book out then brigade start..
We didn't have money to build the CSH but it was built.
If we haven't got any money or we just don't want to have a bigger squad then get the fkn manager to say so on the club site.
One thing is for sure. We will not survive on scrimping and scraping in this league. We need to get some players in one way or another
The one thing the so called moaners on this forum do is CARE ....
If we want to sit at the top table of non league football, then action on squad numbers is essential..
excellent post
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I too am concerned now especially after the injuries today and the news that Dens still isnt right.
Its 2nd January, the transfer window just opened, you know LS dislikes loaning players. I wouldnt be surprised if LS is looking at reinforcements soon.
The point I was making wasnt about cashflow, its about the fact that games budgetted for decent attendances like boxing day wont be achieved limiting our scope to pay for players. Get it now?
Despite all this debate, I stand by what I said above,... With Clee out, Dens still struggling and now maybe Reevesy injured, I agree we really need an extra body up front, problem is finding anyone any good.
I imagine thats the main problem LS has, finding someone who is worth the money. Not just anyone for the sake of it.
whats happened to the (unbudgeted for) cup money Puka?
Either its not been made available to the manager or he doesn't know any players or have any contacts at this level. Which one is it Puka?
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am i missing something ,there is also something called loans
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Manager not there again today, still laid low with a virus
Farce
Absolutely, why can't he arrange his illnesses for the close season.
well managers get sick all the time don't they - I guess its's more about desire, bottle, guts - Sinnott has none of this
If he is sick fair play - but then he needs to go, we need a manager to manage not give a sick note. How is he going to sign any players if he so sick?
Instead of this continually transparent tirade of nonsense that you direct towards your quest to have the manager sacked why don't you say something constructive like what the club should do once he's relieved of his duties? Who do we bring in?
Instead of 'I told you so' as well why don't you tell us all what will happen in the next 4 weeks and then just post after its all happened to confirm you were right.
That way the rest of us don't need to bleed our eyes reading your endless incessant and somewhat tedious drivel.
Good point today, we need to get Crowther fit and sign a couple. Not all that bad.
Onwards to Leamington!
Tell Nicky Clee that it not all that bad
We look after our players so well that we play them when injured and knowing they need an operation. We criple them. Disgraceful
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Revenue generated by our 2015/16 FA Cup run:
Fourth Qualifying Round prize money for defeating Chester: £12,500;
First Round prize money for defeating Barnsley: £18,000;
BBC World's overseas services live transmission of Barnsley match: £6,750;
BBC's Sunday FA Cup Final Score coverage of Colchester United match: £12,500.
Share of match receipts from Chester, Barnsley and Colchester United ties respectively: £ unknown.
FA Cup Pool: to follow in June (last season, clubs such as Alty who had reached the First Round received £7,000 each).
(I acknowledge that the FA don't always pay that prize money promptly but it is guaranteed income nonetheless).
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whats happened to the (unbudgeted for) cup money Puka?
Either its not been made available to the manager or he doesn't know any players or have any contacts at this level. Which one is it Puka?
No idea Jamie, why dont you ask the club ? Judging from Tols piece on the main website its finding the right players.
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After what Tols has said, we know where we are going.
Time to move on😀
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Yep. Atlantic Timber. A few bits of 2 x 2 for splints and a bit more for crutches and we'll be fine.
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Finding players has been difficult with the exception of deasey I'm not sure anyone we signed would be an improvement on are starting 11 from the promotion season
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whats happened to the (unbudgeted for) cup money Puka?
Either its not been made available to the manager or he doesn't know any players or have any contacts at this level. Which one is it Puka?
No idea Jamie, why dont you ask the club ? Judging from Tols piece on the main website its finding the right players.
The Tolson interview is quite revealing
Bless them for trying but it seems that they have no contacts or know any players at this level
To stay up I think we going to need a management team that knows the level imo
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whats happened to the (unbudgeted for) cup money Puka?
Either its not been made available to the manager or he doesn't know any players or have any contacts at this level. Which one is it Puka?
No idea Jamie, why dont you ask the club ? Judging from Tols piece on the main website its finding the right players.
The Tolson interview is quite revealing
Bless them for trying but it seems that they have no contacts or know any players at this level
To stay up I think we going to need a management team that knows the level imo
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What team do you think that is????
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Could be something to do with the transfer window at our level as well. Slagging off the management for not getting players in while they are not actually allowed to does make you look a little silly.
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Could be something to do with the transfer window at our level as well. Slagging off the management for not getting players in while they are not actually allowed to does make you look a little silly.
other teams have signed plenty on loan or non contract, who is the one who looks silly?
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whats happened to the (unbudgeted for) cup money Puka?
Either its not been made available to the manager or he doesn't know any players or have any contacts at this level. Which one is it Puka?
No idea Jamie, why dont you ask the club ? Judging from Tols piece on the main website its finding the right players.
The Tolson interview is quite revealing
Bless them for trying but it seems that they have no contacts or know any players at this level
To stay up I think we going to need a management team that knows the level imo
Just a thought; one Graham Heathcote might be a handy scout!
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Could be something to do with the transfer window at our level as well. Slagging off the management for not getting players in while they are not actually allowed to does make you look a little silly.
other teams have signed plenty on loan or non contract, who is the one who looks silly?
Ham, I happen to agree with your point here, but can I please ask a favour and stop being so antagonistic. Thanks.
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Could be something to do with the transfer window at our level as well. Slagging off the management for not getting players in while they are not actually allowed to does make you look a little silly.
other teams have signed plenty on loan or non contract, who is the one who looks silly?
Ham, I happen to agree with your point here, but can I please ask a favour and stop being so antagonistic. Thanks.
Has a reply to this disappeared ???
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Could be something to do with the transfer window at our level as well. Slagging off the management for not getting players in while they are not actually allowed to does make you look a little silly.
other teams have signed plenty on loan or non contract, who is the one who looks silly?
Ham, I happen to agree with your point here, but can I please ask a favour and stop being so antagonistic. Thanks.
Has a reply to this disappeared ???
Yes. It was on last night.
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whats happened to the (unbudgeted for) cup money Puka?
Either its not been made available to the manager or he doesn't know any players or have any contacts at this level. Which one is it Puka?
No idea Jamie, why dont you ask the club ? Judging from Tols piece on the main website its finding the right players.
The Tolson interview is quite revealing
Bless them for trying but it seems that they have no contacts or know any players at this level
To stay up I think we going to need a management team that knows the level imo
By this logic the mgmt did have contacts enough last season to keep us up.
Why don't you name the manager you'd like at Moss Lane?
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'Nicky (left) is genuinely struggling. He was due to see a specialist, anyway, about a hernia, and we were hoping he would be able to get through the rest of the season but it has now completely flared up.
This is a bit worrying, surely the plan wasn't to carry on with Nicky as we were doing til the end of the year? Christ.
We must be short on funds if that was the idea. And if that's the case we really should be told.
All this must've been apparent when we had 2 players injured v Barnsley then we got embarrassed at Macclesfield with £17k extra prize money in our back pocket?
Sorry, but the squad management has been terrible this season - unless there are things we aren't being told, which makes it a bit unfair on the management team - stemming from very moderate summer recruitment, even with rose tinted spectacles on.
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'Nicky (left) is genuinely struggling. He was due to see a specialist, anyway, about a hernia, and we were hoping he would be able to get through the rest of the season but it has now completely flared up.
This is a bit worrying, surely the plan wasn't to carry on with Nicky as we were doing til the end of the year? Christ.
We must be short on funds if that was the idea. And if that's the case we really should be told.
All this must've been apparent when we had 2 players injured v Barnsley then we got embarrassed at Macclesfield with £17k extra prize money in our back pocket?
Sorry, but the squad management has been terrible this season - unless there are things we aren't being told, which makes it a bit unfair on the management team - stemming from very moderate summer recruitment, even with rose tinted spectacles on.
this is my point exactly Ballers, but as ever you but it much better than I ever could.
Also talk of "stepping up" the search and us "always looking" for players. Would suggest we have been actively trying but just can't attract/don't know the players that every other local club seems to, rather than actually wanting to run a small squad as was previously suggested.
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Lately, I've lost a bit of interest in the club I have followed for nearly 30 years. This season I've had the feeling that as a club we are resigned to going down. The going with 11/12 players thing is becoming a standing joke now - some of the lads are just being run into the ground. As Ballers points out, if there is a problem behind the scenes, it would just be good for fans to find out, surely the club owe us that?
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Lately, I've lost a bit of interest in the club I have followed for nearly 30 years. This season I've had the feeling that as a club we are resigned to going down. The going with 11/12 players thing is becoming a standing joke now - some of the lads are just being run into the ground. As Ballers points out, if there is a problem behind the scenes, it would just be good for fans to find out, surely the club owe us that?
my feelings exactly
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I think the problem is our management team are looking for an ideal player. Somebody who adds something drastically to our team.
But because we've been waiting for that player, or those player to come in, we've done some serious damage to other players.
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I think the problem is our management team are looking for an ideal player. Somebody who adds something drastically to our team.
But because we've been waiting for that player, or those player to come in, we've done some serious damage to other players.
isn't that bad managment Jack?
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I think the problem is our management team are looking for an ideal player. Somebody who adds something drastically to our team.
But because we've been waiting for that player, or those player to come in, we've done some serious damage to other players.
isn't that bad managment Jack?
With hindsight, yes. However, I think had we brought in poor players it'd have been as a waste of money - Look at what happened when we brought in Higginbotham
Borrowing Marple's quote.
And also, just to clarify - I still think the current management team are the right ones to take us forward. I don't think I'm too comfortable with one or two people using this topic as a stick to beat them with.
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I think the problem is our management team are looking for an ideal player. Somebody who adds something drastically to our team.
But because we've been waiting for that player, or those player to come in, we've done some serious damage to other players.
isn't that bad managment Jack?
With hindsight, yes. However, I think had we brought in poor players it'd have been as a waste of money - Look at what happened when we brought in Higginbotham
Borrowing Marple's quote.
And also, just to clarify - I still think the current management team are the right ones to take us forward. I don't think I'm too comfortable with one or two people using this topic as a stick to beat them with.
you point out that we've done serious damage to some of our players and agree that is bad managment. Yet you still think current managment team are the right ones to take us forward. Why do you think that? And where do you think they can take us forward to?
I honestly want to understand
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These ad hominem attacks on Lee Sinnott need to stop - they serve no purpose other than to be destructive and damaging to morale.
It is clear we need to reinforce, and it is clear that for a number of reasons (I expect) we are not very good at this.
These reasons may include:-
- a poorly developed player scouting / coaching network
- limitations of being a part time club in a (primarily, for our target player pool) full time world
- requiring a certain style of player to fit into our system
- our policy of not paying transfer fees
- budget or cash flow constraints
There may well be others - but I am sure they would not include the incompetence or malevolence of the management team. For one thing, I would be amazed if Lee Sinnott set the fiscal policy of Altrincham Football Club, and therefore has to work within constraints that we are unaware of.
We are a club with a set of leaders (board and management) who clearly demonstrate they care about this club; as do we, the fan base and as do the players. As an aside I imagine that (for example) Nicky playing whilst injured was to some extent his choice and part of his love for the club. But whilst being wholly committed, we are limited in our ability otherwise the board would have done a White / Swales and moved on to bigger things, as would the management. I know we are all frustrated with events currently but we need to stick with the leadership we have got - they have got us this far, we are not disloyal enough to dump them at the very first sign of difficulty.
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Life isnt perfect Jamie. It's all a matter of judgement and risk. We have an excellent Physio and management team, I trust their judgement, so should you.
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These ad hominem attacks on Lee Sinnott need to stop - they serve no purpose other than to be destructive and damaging to morale.
It is clear we need to reinforce, and it is clear that for a number of reasons (I expect) we are not very good at this.
These reasons may include:-
- a poorly developed player scouting / coaching network
- limitations of being a part time club in a (primarily, for our target player pool) full time world
- requiring a certain style of player to fit into our system
- our policy of not paying transfer fees
- budget or cash flow constraints
There may well be others - but I am sure they would not include the incompetence or malevolence of the management team. For one thing, I would be amazed if Lee Sinnott set the fiscal policy of Altrincham Football Club, and therefore has to work within constraints that we are unaware of.
We are a club with a set of leaders (board and management) who clearly demonstrate they care about this club; as do we, the fan base and as do the players. As an aside I imagine that (for example) Nicky playing whilst injured was to some extent his choice and part of his love for the club. But whilst being wholly committed, we are limited in our ability otherwise the board would have done a White / Swales and moved on to bigger things, as would the management. I know we are all frustrated with events currently but we need to stick with the leadership we have got - they have got us this far, we are not disloyal enough to dump them at the very first sign of difficulty.
+10 The most sensible post I have read in ages.
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I wholeheartedly second Pukka Pieman's remark and commend ManagementGuru for his post. One other factor may be worth mentioning regarding recruitment issues, namely that if a player is brought in on loan from a League club it has been known for a condition of that loan to be that he will participate in a given number of games during the loan period and sometimes for a given amount of time within such games. That kind of constraint, if still extant, is something we would surely wish to avoid.
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I wholeheartedly second Pukka Pieman's remark and commend ManagementGuru for his post. One other factor may be worth mentioning regarding recruitment issues, namely that if a player is brought in on loan from a League club it has been known for a condition of that loan to be that he will participate in a given number of games during the loan period and sometimes for a given amount of time within such games. That kind of constraint, if still extant, is something we would surely wish to avoid.
why do some people constantly think up more and more extravagant excuses why we havent signed any players, it really is quite embarrissing to read. Basically your saying we can't compete at this level, and thats insulting to the people who run the club and supporters who travel and spend a lot of money. No wonder I'm losing interest, I really can't be bothered anymore.
People like you would be happier back in the North league and I can't stick it any longer. We have cup money but still can't attract any players, stop the excuses management has no contacts and that will be our downfall
Enough of this
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Given I live in the South, why would I be happy to be back in the North league?
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These ad hominem attacks on Lee Sinnott need to stop - they serve no purpose other than to be destructive and damaging to morale.
It is clear we need to reinforce, and it is clear that for a number of reasons (I expect) we are not very good at this.
These reasons may include:-
- a poorly developed player scouting / coaching network
- limitations of being a part time club in a (primarily, for our target player pool) full time world
- requiring a certain style of player to fit into our system
- our policy of not paying transfer fees
- budget or cash flow constraints
There may well be others - but I am sure they would not include the incompetence or malevolence of the management team. For one thing, I would be amazed if Lee Sinnott set the fiscal policy of Altrincham Football Club, and therefore has to work within constraints that we are unaware of.
We are a club with a set of leaders (board and management) who clearly demonstrate they care about this club; as do we, the fan base and as do the players. As an aside I imagine that (for example) Nicky playing whilst injured was to some extent his choice and part of his love for the club. But whilst being wholly committed, we are limited in our ability otherwise the board would have done a White / Swales and moved on to bigger things, as would the management. I know we are all frustrated with events currently but we need to stick with the leadership we have got - they have got us this far, we are not disloyal enough to dump them at the very first sign of difficulty.
+10 The most sensible post I have read in ages.
100% great post
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I wholeheartedly second Pukka Pieman's remark and commend ManagementGuru for his post. One other factor may be worth mentioning regarding recruitment issues, namely that if a player is brought in on loan from a League club it has been known for a condition of that loan to be that he will participate in a given number of games during the loan period and sometimes for a given amount of time within such games. That kind of constraint, if still extant, is something we would surely wish to avoid.
If we'd brought a winger in, or a CB, the positions we've needed all season - they would have played anyway - not due to contract requirements - but because they were needed.
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And a right back
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These ad hominem attacks on Lee Sinnott need to stop - they serve no purpose other than to be destructive and damaging to morale.
It is clear we need to reinforce, and it is clear that for a number of reasons (I expect) we are not very good at this.
These reasons may include:-
- a poorly developed player scouting / coaching network
- limitations of being a part time club in a (primarily, for our target player pool) full time world
- requiring a certain style of player to fit into our system
- our policy of not paying transfer fees
- budget or cash flow constraints
There may well be others - but I am sure they would not include the incompetence or malevolence of the management team. For one thing, I would be amazed if Lee Sinnott set the fiscal policy of Altrincham Football Club, and therefore has to work within constraints that we are unaware of.
We are a club with a set of leaders (board and management) who clearly demonstrate they care about this club; as do we, the fan base and as do the players. As an aside I imagine that (for example) Nicky playing whilst injured was to some extent his choice and part of his love for the club. But whilst being wholly committed, we are limited in our ability otherwise the board would have done a White / Swales and moved on to bigger things, as would the management. I know we are all frustrated with events currently but we need to stick with the leadership we have got - they have got us this far, we are not disloyal enough to dump them at the very first sign of difficulty.
+10 The most sensible post I have read in ages.
100% great post
Agreed also
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As much as I think he likes to troll at times, I continue to agree with Ham here.
For months now we've been filling out the first team squad with players who, quite frankly, wouldn't be good enough at Evo-Stik level. For the life of me I can't figure out why more people aren't seriously concerned with that.
I've openly said that the nucleus of our squad is League quality, but those same players are being run into the ground because there is no alternate option to them. Look at the time Shaun Densmore has had to spend out because he was rushed back, the same can be said of Michael Rankine. Look at what we've had to ask of Nicky Clee.
We've tried to wing it like we did last season, where we were really quite lucky with injuries and suspensions, and it has come back to haunt us completely.
No viable alternatives being brought in to combat our problems, despite a pretty decent cup run and a consistent revenue stream in the CSH, falls completely on the shoulders of the management and the club.
If we don't act now, (we should have acted months ago), then it absolutely stinks of consolidation. Better to go down doing all we can than to just turn up at places with 18 year olds on the bench who may as well not have brought their boots with them.
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Luca and Adam Griffin also look out of condition, and Scott Leather's confidence is pissing away with every game it seems. Bowerman is this year's Gillespie, and like Capitano says, the youths may as well stay at home.
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As much as I think he likes to troll at times, I continue to agree with Ham here.
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For months now we've been filling out the first team squad with players who, quite frankly, wouldn't be good enough at Evo-Stik level. For the life of me I can't figure out why more people aren't seriously concerned with that.
I've openly said that the nucleus of our squad is League quality, but those same players are being run into the ground because there is no alternate option to them. Look at the time Shaun Densmore has had to spend out because he was rushed back, the same can be said of Michael Rankine. Look at what we've had to ask of Nicky Clee.
We've tried to wing it like we did last season, where we were really quite lucky with injuries and suspensions, and it has come back to haunt us completely.
No viable alternatives being brought in to combat our problems, despite a pretty decent cup run and a consistent revenue stream in the CSH, falls completely on the shoulders of the management and the club.
If we don't act now, (we should have acted months ago), then it absolutely stinks of consolidation. Better to go down doing all we can than to just turn up at places with 18 year olds on the bench who may as well not have brought their boots with them.
although Sinnott has done a fair job that's a decent post
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As much as I think he likes to troll at times, I continue to agree with Ham here.
For months now we've been filling out the first team squad with players who, quite frankly, wouldn't be good enough at Evo-Stik level. For the life of me I can't figure out why more people aren't seriously concerned with that.
I've openly said that the nucleus of our squad is League quality, but those same players are being run into the ground because there is no alternate option to them. Look at the time Shaun Densmore has had to spend out because he was rushed back, the same can be said of Michael Rankine. Look at what we've had to ask of Nicky Clee.
We've tried to wing it like we did last season, where we were really quite lucky with injuries and suspensions, and it has come back to haunt us completely.
No viable alternatives being brought in to combat our problems, despite a pretty decent cup run and a consistent revenue stream in the CSH, falls completely on the shoulders of the management and the club.
If we don't act now, (we should have acted months ago), then it absolutely stinks of consolidation. Better to go down doing all we can than to just turn up at places with 18 year olds on the bench who may as well not have brought their boots with them.
How then do you enlarge the squad with quality cover on the same budget without sacrificing the better players who presumably will be on more? We have gone for quality not quantity which potentially leaves us screwed if the quantity drops but you then risk losing some of the quality to pay for the extra cover.
If there is a big pile of money sitting there and no attempt is being made to strengthen the squad then that is clearly wrong, but I can't be certain that is the case. The money we have has always been spent. The records show that.
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As much as I think he likes to troll at times, I continue to agree with Ham here.
For months now we've been filling out the first team squad with players who, quite frankly, wouldn't be good enough at Evo-Stik level. For the life of me I can't figure out why more people aren't seriously concerned with that.
I've openly said that the nucleus of our squad is League quality, but those same players are being run into the ground because there is no alternate option to them. Look at the time Shaun Densmore has had to spend out because he was rushed back, the same can be said of Michael Rankine. Look at what we've had to ask of Nicky Clee.
We've tried to wing it like we did last season, where we were really quite lucky with injuries and suspensions, and it has come back to haunt us completely.
No viable alternatives being brought in to combat our problems, despite a pretty decent cup run and a consistent revenue stream in the CSH, falls completely on the shoulders of the management and the club.
If we don't act now, (we should have acted months ago), then it absolutely stinks of consolidation. Better to go down doing all we can than to just turn up at places with 18 year olds on the bench who may as well not have brought their boots with them.
How then do you enlarge the squad with quality cover on the same budget without sacrificing the better players who presumably will be on more? We have gone for quality not quantity which potentially leaves us screwed if the quantity drops but you then risk losing some of the quality to pay for the extra cover.
If there is a big pile of money sitting there and no attempt is being made to strengthen the squad then that is clearly wrong, but I can't be certain that is the case. The money we have has always been spent. The records show that.
the unbudgeted cup money hasn't been spent yet (well not on strengthening the team anyway)
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anyone know when James Lawrie is going to start playing for us again? haven't seen him do anything decent in a long, long time
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How then do you enlarge the squad with quality cover on the same budget without sacrificing the better players who presumably will be on more? We have gone for quality not quantity which potentially leaves us screwed if the quantity drops but you then risk losing some of the quality to pay for the extra cover.
If there is a big pile of money sitting there and no attempt is being made to strengthen the squad then that is clearly wrong, but I can't be certain that is the case. The money we have has always been spent. The records show that.
I've never said anything about quality cover. As I said on another thread none of us are after the next Ryan Shotton here.
A couple of loan signings would only have to be adequate, at best, to relieve Jordan Sinnott of right-back duty and provide competition for places with the likes of George Bowerman.
The lack of competition for places in the squad is quite concerning actually, it isn't healthy. The same players know they're playing. Scott Leather isn't half the player he was when Tom Marshall was knocking on the door. On the other hand, look at how Damian Reeves snatched up his chance once he got in ahead of an injured Michael Rankine.
anyone know when James Lawrie is going to start playing for us again? haven't seen him do anything decent in a long, long time
Funny this should be posted while I was finishing up. The same can be said about James Lawrie actually, he's got to know that there's f**k all coming off the bench to replace him. They're too busy doing their A Level revision.
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Shaun has not been 'rushed back' as he said himself on the radio on Saturday his knee has felt absolutely fine a couple of times now and he has come back only for it to go again for unknown reasons. He had the medical OK to come back.
Nicky was scheduled for his op once Shaun was back which has been 'soon' for a long time now.
If we picked up Parry from Luton our scouting must be OK.
There are limitations on loan deals outside the window but we would clearly qualify for those - as others have said the big problem we face compared to others seeking loan players from higher clubs (and why would we loan from lower down?) is that they want their players to train full time and we can't offer that. The player can't train with his team during the day and us in the evening.
That said there is no doubt our inability to find some reinforcements has been very disappointing
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Rafa Benitez is out of work. Perhaps we should borrow HIS little black book......
Joking apart, I'm not pointing MY finger anywhere. From the moment Griffith shat on us, we've been in a downward spiral with injuries and a distinct lack of luck on the pitch. It was always going to be a battle.....I still believe we will stay in this league.
We need loans now. And we need to ship a few out and replace them with better options come summer.
And if anyone out there thinks it's going to be easy, they're sadly deluded.
Lee Sinnott may not be the perfect manager.....if he was he wouldn't be in the National League. But if anybody thinks there's a viable alternative lurking out there, I'd love to know who it is.
We fight on....I believe we will survive.
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Rafa Benitez is out of work. Perhaps we should borrow HIS little black book......
Joking apart, I'm not pointing MY finger anywhere. From the moment Griffith shat on us, we've been in a downward spiral with injuries and a distinct lack of luck on the pitch. It was always going to be a battle.....I still believe we will stay in this league.
We need loans now. And we need to ship a few out and replace them with better options come summer.
And if anyone out there thinks it's going to be easy, they're sadly deluded.
Lee Sinnott may not be the perfect manager.....if he was he wouldn't be in the National League. But if anybody thinks there's a viable alternative lurking out there, I'd love to know who it is.
We fight on....I believe we will survive.
I could think of one
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So who would that be then?
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Me
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What does frustrate me is that, resources aside, clubs around us are snapping up players that should be on our radar at the very least. Barrow signed Jordan Williams from Northwich and he scored for them at the weekend, for Christ's sake.
Loads of clubs are now releasing 'broken toys' e.g. potential Jack Redshaws, who would be infinitely better than some of the options we have.
Just to name one example, Jon Nolan was highly rated by Lincoln but never quite hit the heights, from Merseyside and ex-Stockport - surely worth bringing in for a trial, although you could argue not a priority position, he might be worth taking a look at in case Moult does move on in the summer. A bit of forward planning never hurt anyone.
Carlisle have just extended right winger Joe Thompson's contract by 6 months as he is finally beginning to show glimpses of his old quality (after cancer) off the bench for them, but needs more game time. Surely we should be asking them if we can take him on loan for a month, and they can take a good look at him with an option to take him back after the month?
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anyone know when James Lawrie is going to start playing for us again? haven't seen him do anything decent in a long, long time
Whenever he lays behing a lone forward from what I gather!
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anyone know when James Lawrie is going to start playing for us again? haven't seen him do anything decent in a long, long time
Whenever he lays behing a lone forward from what I gather!
Correct
From almost useless (bit harsh maybe) to very useful in a mere positional move