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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on December 15, 2015, 12:34:16 PM
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Does anyone know who is actually available tonight?
I seem to have lost track
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Should only be coburn marshell and o'keefe unavailable by my reackoning
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And densmore or is he now ready
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Said prior to Colchester he had a chance of playing in that so I was just presuming he'd be ready now
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Dens was 99% on saturday
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Dens was 99% on saturday
Good news.
Looking forward to tuning into RR for the last half hour. Busy here.
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no Dens tonight according to JL
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It's good news that he is near a fine player
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Felt we could and should have won that at times, at others feared for the worst. Really fecked off with the replay. Frustrating.
Good commentary on RR. Thanks.
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Should have put it to bed when we were in front. Insulting crowd for a cup we are supposed to hold dear to our hearts. Going to be a very tedious evening in Warwickshire next Tuesday. But make no mistake it is a game we need to win. A place in the last 16 via beating a southern league side then an isthmian league side is about as good as you can ask for. Let's hope we can put a shift in next week, where we'll be up against it.
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After we scored, I felt like we were well on course to win that 2-0 or 3-0. Unreal goal kick caught out Griffin(?) completely. Completely different atmosphere at 1-1.
Definitely agree about the attendance, a very disappointing turn out with the only positive being that a lot of the folk younger than me still turned up. The players should expect to see the same in return if we want this competition taken seriously.
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I agree. We were on course to get two or three and I think in all honesty if reeves had scored in the first half we'd have won convincingly.
I think we started pretty purposefully and but for an odd mistake by griffin we had plenty to cope with them. They were a little rustic and it should be said missed a couple of great chances but I'm confident about the replay.
Me, Jamie, Pete and Beez will set off with confidence at midday.
Good to see Reevesy score but attendance very disappointing, we took more to Colchester than were here tonight. We should be better than this.
Edit: it was actually a very entertaining game, could easily have been 3-3, 4-4.
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Utter disaster. Shocking crowd shocking 1st half. Better 2nd half, can't fathom how we didn't run out comfortable winners after going in front. The keepers ball for the goal was the best 85 yarder I've seen.
After that we stopped passing and just wanted to lump it.
4 games in 10 days is not what we want
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How many were there ?
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How many were there ?
356 off the top of my head. Canne be arsed searching.
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355
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That was as depressing as anything I've seen in the last 2 years. How many chances were spurned tonight? How often was the man in possession in the box facing the wrong way? How many touches do the players want? Why is the passing so slow, and why does most of it go backwards or across? Then resorting to hoofball late on. Genuine relegation candidates unless something changes IMO.
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
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And how many times did Lawrie give the ball away.That is the trouble with no competition for places, duffers play week in, week out. >:(
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Okeefe was back for Chester anyway unless he got 4 games
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Correct jimmy, he'll be available next Tuesday
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
pete you are spot on with non of the top teams interested we in theory should be one of the favourites
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
I admire your optimism.
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Should have put it to bed when we were in front. Insulting crowd for a cup we are supposed to hold dear to our hearts. Going to be a very tedious evening in Warwickshire next Tuesday. But make no mistake it is a game we need to win. A place in the last 16 via beating a southern league side then an isthmian league side is about as good as you can ask for. Let's hope we can put a shift in next week, where we'll be up against it.
Yes crowd very poor tonight, but maybe my mate at work sums up the issue
He lives in Sale and was going to come along and asked me how much - when I said its the usual £14 he said "I am not paying that to watch a team from the Ryman in a cup game" and then added that the previous FAT games he had been to were dissappointing in terms of performances
Just relaying an opinion here
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
I have seen many a post over the last few months on the forum expressing the wish of "maybe bringing a few players in" .....for.... (Then add).....for the next league game / FA cup / to replace lack of midfield, defence etc / campaign in New Year etc
So far we have not replaced Marshall or Griffith - maybe for reasons we don't know - but I am not checking the website everday for news of loans
Our bench is so weak at the moment it is starting to impact on results more than it should
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Should have put it to bed when we were in front. Insulting crowd for a cup we are supposed to hold dear to our hearts. Going to be a very tedious evening in Warwickshire next Tuesday. But make no mistake it is a game we need to win. A place in the last 16 via beating a southern league side then an isthmian league side is about as good as you can ask for. Let's hope we can put a shift in next week, where we'll be up against it.
Yes crowd very poor tonight, but maybe my mate at work sums up the issue
He lives in Sale and was going to come along and asked me how much - when I said its the usual £14 he said "I am not paying that to watch a team from the Ryman in a cup game" and then added that the previous FAT games he had been to were dissappointing in terms of performances
Just relaying an opinion here
I'd certainly agree, we shouldn't have been charging full price. No Premier League or European football tonight offered an opportunity to get a few through the gate at a tempting discounted price. Also a nice touch to offer the regulars a bit of respite after paying the full price week in, week out.
I also don't understand why we insist on opening all sides of the ground when we have such small crowds. Same goes for CSC games. It just encourages dispersion and ruins any small chance of creating a bit of atmosphere. Away end should have been closed to spectators.
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I don't think we get the option of cutting prices....FA regulations.
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
I have seen many a post over the last few months on the forum expressing the wish of "maybe bringing a few players in" .....for.... (Then add).....for the next league game / FA cup / to replace lack of midfield, defence etc / campaign in New Year etc
So far we have not replaced Marshall or Griffith - maybe for reasons we don't know - but I am not checking the website everday for news of loans
Our bench is so weak at the moment it is starting to impact on results more than it should
By my reckoning, there have been two loan players here in the past 2 and a half seasons - Andy Parry and Joe Mwasile, both of whom lasted about 7 games.
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I don't think we get the option of cutting prices....FA regulations.
Colchester cut theirs for the game against us did they not?
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I don't think we get the option of cutting prices....FA regulations.
Yes, someone once came on here and clarified this for us.............you certainly cannot cut the admission prices without the away clubs consent and you might not be allowed to do it at all ..............so you are stuck with the prices ..............my point wasn't to be critical of the club or the pricing policy, but to point out one possible reason why only 355 turned up tonight
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I don't think we get the option of cutting prices....FA regulations.
Yes, someone once came on here and clarified this for us.............you certainly cannot cut the admission prices without the away clubs consent and you might not be allowed to do it at all ..............so you are stuck with the prices ..............my point wasn't to be critical of the club or the pricing policy, but to point out one possible reason why only 355 turned up tonight
Plus, it's 10 days before Christmas, a lot of people get paid on the third Friday of the month (this Friday coming) and just simply can't afford it. Or they're working extra in the build up to Christmas and new year.
Plenty of reasons why numbers at our level fall on unfavourable evenings in a trophy that isn't necessarily at the top of people's priorities. :)
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That was as depressing as anything I've seen in the last 2 years. How many chances were spurned tonight? How often was the man in possession in the box facing the wrong way? How many touches do the players want? Why is the passing so slow, and why does most of it go backwards or across? Then resorting to hoofball late on. Genuine relegation candidates unless something changes IMO.
I don't know. Was it that that bad? Yes, granted we've just drawn to an evo stik side but I thought we started with real purpose and playing some good stuff. We lost our flow a little bit because they were kicking us. The game got broke up, if it had been because we'd been roughed up I'd have been angry but the lads didn't shirk the physical battle at all.
I'm not complaining about the physicality here (I think it's lacking too much in the game really) but I am bemused as to referees interpretations in games between sides at different levels. They were at least two tackles in the first half that would've been straight reds in the conference without hesitation. There was one on Richman that he's been sent off for twice himself! It also seems you can grab the ball out of a players hands when they're looking to take a free kick? Surely you can't level it down, a red card tackle should be a red card. If not can someone apply it to the conference so we can tackle freely as well.
Ref was crap and lost it at one point in the second half when he just started giving alternate free kicks, he gave us one that was no different to the previous challenge.
But back to our performance we got in front and it looked like 2 or 3-0 but griff has just misjudged the flight of the ball and it's a sucker punch. Disappointing yes but I've been more frustrated with other performances over the years. We just need to be up for the battle next Tuesday.
355 was terrible though. The move to December trophy games has been a bad move crowd wise for all clubs but I think we've got to do better than this.
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
I have seen many a post over the last few months on the forum expressing the wish of "maybe bringing a few players in" .....for.... (Then add).....for the next league game / FA cup / to replace lack of midfield, defence etc / campaign in New Year etc
So far we have not replaced Marshall or Griffith - maybe for reasons we don't know - but I am not checking the website everday for news of loans
Our bench is so weak at the moment it is starting to impact on results more than it should
By my reckoning, there have been two loan players here in the past 2 and a half seasons - Andy Parry and Joe Mwasile, both of whom lasted about 7 games.
Jordan Sinnott was originally on loan, played quite well last night I thought (just incase some thought it was a sinnott bashing post)
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
I have seen many a post over the last few months on the forum expressing the wish of "maybe bringing a few players in" .....for.... (Then add).....for the next league game / FA cup / to replace lack of midfield, defence etc / campaign in New Year etc
So far we have not replaced Marshall or Griffith - maybe for reasons we don't know - but I am not checking the website everday for news of loans
Our bench is so weak at the moment it is starting to impact on results more than it should
By my reckoning, there have been two loan players here in the past 2 and a half seasons - Andy Parry and Joe Mwasile, both of whom lasted about 7 games.
Jordan Sinnott was originally on loan, played quite well last night I thought (just incase some thought it was a sinnott bashing post)
If you're going back to Mwaslie (2011?) days, Jake Moult was a loan player as was James Lawrie.
We signed Ben Mills on loan, we also had Kieran Walmsley,
During the conference north season we had Adam Dodd and 1 or two others.
But this season we should have taken one or two more loans - or permanent signings
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Mwasile was January 2014. It's two loans for the 2013/14, 2014/15 and 2015/16 seasons combined.
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The only good thing to come from tonight is now having o'keefe back for Chester at home. But I do hope we see some reinforcements come New Year's Day. Next Tuesday is a must win game, we cannot look a gift horse in the mouth for the third year running in the FA trophy.
I have seen many a post over the last few months on the forum expressing the wish of "maybe bringing a few players in" .....for.... (Then add).....for the next league game / FA cup / to replace lack of midfield, defence etc / campaign in New Year etc
So far we have not replaced Marshall or Griffith - maybe for reasons we don't know - but I am not checking the website everday for news of loans
Our bench is so weak at the moment it is starting to impact on results more than it should
By my reckoning, there have been two loan players here in the past 2 and a half seasons - Andy Parry and Joe Mwasile, both of whom lasted about 7 games.
Jordan Sinnott
was originally on loan, played quite well last night I thought (just incase some thought it was a sinnott bashing post)
I think Sinnott was MOTM last night.
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He was indeed, I heard the announcement as I trudged disconsolately on to Moss Lane.
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How many did Leamington bring last night , 20 0r 30 ?
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How many did Leamington bring last night , 20 0r 30 ?
There were at least 30 Leamington fans stood with their flags, add to that those who chose to sit down, probably around 50 I'd say.
Makes the home turn out seem even worse.
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More importantly now, what's the away turnout going to be for the replay next week? I'll be going and hopefully my lad too.
Makes the home turn out seem even worse.
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Couldn't go last night and we probably had to play 4 4 2 because of injuries and suspensions but it seems we can't win a game playing that system regardless of the standard of opponents
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Sinnott played very well last night. Delivery was a but below par at times perhaps but aside from that gave it a good go and it would've been a great goal had the keeper not got a fingertip to his shot to touch it onto the post.
I'd like to think the plan has been to run with a thin squad, kids occupying spots on the bench etc with a view to assessing what is needed loan/recruitment wise in January when better players available and checking how the budget/crowds/extra cup revenue has gone in the first part of the season.
If we're genuinely thinking of carrying on without bringing anyone in for theocrats of the season we'll find ourselves in real trouble.
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Sinnott played very well last night. Delivery was a but below par at times perhaps but aside from that gave it a good go and it would've been a great goal had the keeper not got a fingertip to his shot to touch it onto the post.
I'd like to think the plan has been to run with a thin squad, kids occupying spots on the bench etc with a view to assessing what is needed loan/recruitment wise in January when better players available and checking how the budget/crowds/extra cup revenue has gone in the first part of the season.
If we're genuinely thinking of carrying on without bringing anyone in for theocrats of the season we'll find ourselves in real trouble.
Top post - very likely correct on all points
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Sinnott played very well last night. Delivery was a but below par at times perhaps but aside from that gave it a good go and it would've been a great goal had the keeper not got a fingertip to his shot to touch it onto the post.
I'd like to think the plan has been to run with a thin squad, kids occupying spots on the bench etc with a view to assessing what is needed loan/recruitment wise in January when better players available and checking how the budget/crowds/extra cup revenue has gone in the first part of the season.
If we're genuinely thinking of carrying on without bringing anyone in for theocrats of the season we'll find ourselves in real trouble.
Top post - very likely correct on all points
surely the second half of the season cant be as bad as the first for injuries I think we will be ok staying up wise
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I'm glad the refs performance has been raised - It had the feel that it could've kicked off on a few occasions. Agree with the 2 potential reds - both feet off the ground and not in control of the challenges.
Leather taking out their player in the first half 20 yards out - was a yellow card. Arguably their goalkeeper coming up to halfway line to argue with the AR could've been a yellow and a second could've been given for time wasting.
It was a very odd performance from the ref.
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I'm still trying to work out how Ranks got off scot free with shoving their keeper into the perimeter fence at the Golf Road end. Ref was one of the poorest I've seen recently.
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Having recently attended a 'laws of the game's seminar, I deduce that the ball had crossed the touchline when Ranks barged him, therefore out of play and restart with a goal kick rather than free kick.
The ref also seemed to have had enough of his antics, as he made a big point of it when Damian challenged him later on.
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Having recently attended a 'laws of the game' seminar, I deduce that the ball had crossed the touchline when Ranks barged him, therefore out of play and restart with a goal kick rather than free kick.
The ref also seemed to have had enough of his antics, as he made a big point of it when Damian challenged him later on.
Think you're dead right on this one - particularly the second point.
On the admission prices question - as I read the Trophy regulations the minimum price is £5. I would have thought it reasonable to charge no more than the lower-ranked side would for its home matches - I doubt Leamington charge any more than £10, if that; I'm pretty sure the 'full price' will have put a number of people off. There do also appear to be a minority of season-ticket holders who don't realise that their tickets are not valid for any cup matches & when they find out, don't attend. I accept the points about nearness of Christmas, time of the month as compared to pay day, etc., but feel the club could have done something to try and make the game a more financially attractive proposition for supporters.
As for the performance - Sinnott was a worthy man of the match, though that's not saying a great deal when compared to the non-performance of some. I'm sorry to say this, but James Lawrie in particular needs a kick up the backside. Far too many misplaced passes; far too easily knocked off the ball (referees below Conf Nat level are not going to show him any sympathy for being comparatively lightweight); and frankly appears far too sure of his place. It might do him good to be put on the bench Saturday, basically to invite him to buck his ideas up. The midfield was poor; Reeves had one opportunity to win it but clearly thought he was offside (as did most of the rest of us, but not the linesman) - play to the whistle, stick the chance away then worry about offside should be the message. I used to think football was a simple game for a winger - get to the by-line, cross the ball, high or low, & see what happens - but our wide players seem to want to cut inside at every opportunity. Clearly I've got the game wrong. Granted, we hit the woodwork several times, there were panic moments in their six-yard box & that amazing one where the ball stuck in invisible mud, but Leamington competed throughout, took the best chance they were offered & had other decent ones. They will feel they deserved something out of the game & who am I to argue with that?
It could be argued, in a slightly bizarre way, that Tuesday next is actually more important than this coming Saturday, for the reasons people have mentioned on this thread. As I won't be at either game I advance no opinion on what the team should be - just the hope that come this time next week we might still be contemplating Sussex-by-the-Sea in January (it's now a hope rather than any kind of expectation, though). Last night, to sum up, just wasn't good enough & I hope the management & players realise that.
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Good point about the wingers. Crowther in particular found himself in acres of space several times, but on every single occasion ran into the congested middle ground, and not so quickly either. His stepover trickery probably looked good on the school playground, but I don't think it does him any favours. It just slows him down and allows defenders to get into covering positions.
When Bowerman plays on the wing he's equally ineffective. Head down and run to the byline with no regard for what's going on in the box.
The wing issue is hardly new though, is it? Since I started going again in late 2013, the right wing has been a neglected wasteland.
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On the admission prices question - as I read the Trophy regulations the minimum price is £5. I would have thought it reasonable to charge no more than the lower-ranked side would for its home matches - I doubt Leamington charge any more than £10, if that; I'm pretty sure the 'full price' will have put a number of people off. There do also appear to be a minority of season-ticket holders who don't realise that their tickets are not valid for any cup matches & when they find out, don't attend. I accept the points about nearness of Christmas, time of the month as compared to pay day, etc., but feel the club could have done something to try and make the game a more financially attractive proposition for supporters.
As for the performance - Sinnott was a worthy man of the match, though that's not saying a great deal when compared to the non-performance of some. I'm sorry to say this, but James Lawrie in particular needs a kick up the backside. Far too many misplaced passes; far too easily knocked off the ball (referees below Conf Nat level are not going to show him any sympathy for being comparatively lightweight); and frankly appears far too sure of his place. It might do him good to be put on the bench Saturday, basically to invite him to buck his ideas up. The midfield was poor; Reeves had one opportunity to win it but clearly thought he was offside (as did most of the rest of us, but not the linesman) - play to the whistle, stick the chance away then worry about offside should be the message. I used to think football was a simple game for a winger - get to the by-line, cross the ball, high or low, & see what happens - but our wide players seem to want to cut inside at every opportunity. Clearly I've got the game wrong. Granted, we hit the woodwork several times, there were panic moments in their six-yard box & that amazing one where the ball stuck in invisible mud, but Leamington competed throughout, took the best chance they were offered & had other decent ones. They will feel they deserved something out of the game & who am I to argue with that?
It could be argued, in a slightly bizarre way, that Tuesday next is actually more important than this coming Saturday, for the reasons people have mentioned on this thread. As I won't be at either game I advance no opinion on what the team should be - just the hope that come this time next week we might still be contemplating Sussex-by-the-Sea in January (it's now a hope rather than any kind of expectation, though). Last night, to sum up, just wasn't good enough & I hope the management & players realise that.
Mike,
Excellent points, lucidly expressed.
Leamington were certainly worthy of a draw, to my eyes.
Mind you, at times that rather deranged goalkeeper did resemble an outfield player who had volunteered to go in goal (echoes of Dave Lewis for Cheltenham Town in 1979).
Crowther continues to flatter to deceive and James Lawrie looks jaded and, as you say, too comfortable in knowing that he will be selected.
It all looked a bit ponderous and stale.
The Colchester hangover needs to be buried ASAP or else we could be heading for a bleak midwinter.
Alas, the only thing that the Leamington players admitted to finding too hot to handle last evening was Richie Bentley's post-match curry.
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Agree about Lawrie. Used to perform about 1 in 3 games now it's about 1 in 6. Get Densmore at rb and Sinnott in cm.
Crowther will always cut in when he's on left because he's right footed. Still preferable to Bowerman though
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In an ideal world we'd have dropped James Lawrie weeks ago, but with absolutely no competition for his place he will continue to be frustratingly complacent.
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Our second lowest ever home Trophy crowd, only being beaten by 332 vs ilkeston Town in 2000, and slightly ahead of Gainsborough in 2004 when Val Owens's stoppage time goal spared us an extra 30 minutes
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Agree about Lawrie. Used to perform about 1 in 3 games now it's about 1 in 6. Get Densmore at rb and Sinnott in cm.
Crowther will always cut in when he's on left because he's right footed. Still preferable to Bowerman though
I struggle to think of anyone who is less preferable to George Bowerman, save for Kyle Perry. Crowther has had about 45 games, most of them on the left wing, and it appears that no-one has yet twigged it doesn't really work.
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Liverpool must have seen something when they paid £500, 000 for him
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That was as depressing as anything I've seen in the last 2 years. How many chances were spurned tonight? How often was the man in possession in the box facing the wrong way? How many touches do the players want? Why is the passing so slow, and why does most of it go backwards or across? Then resorting to hoofball late on. Genuine relegation candidates unless something changes IMO.
I don't know. Was it that that bad?
Having calmed down, I still feel that yes, it was that bad. It's not so much the result, as the fact that I feel that I've watched the same game about 15 times this season, as well as a fair few towards the end of last season. Sometimes we drop lucky (Barrow, Grimsby, Cheltenham, Barnsley and Boreham Wood) but most of the time we don't. When was the last time we controlled a game from start to finish? Chester on New Years Day probably.
Otherwise it's the same thing, game after game. There is little penetration from midfield, so few chances are created. Those that are created are converted at around 10%. The same defensive mistakes, the conceding of a goal from absolutely nowhere, the free headers in the box, standing off the opposition. The same huff and puff, the same ponderous sideways passing moves which break down, never a plan B.
I seriously believe there are two relegation spots left (after Torquay and Kidderminster) and we are right in the mix.
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Liverpool must have seen something when they paid £500, 000 for him
In 1983, Sheikh Mohammed paid a then world-record $10.2 million for a thoroughbred yearling called Snaafi Dancer, based entirely on his impeccable pedigree. The horse was so slow, he never set foot on a racecourse, and was infertile as a stallion.
So there you go.
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
FACEPALM
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And how many times did Lawrie give the ball away.That is the trouble with no competition for places, duffers play week in, week out. >:(
Nice to see a few other Lawrie knockers further up this post. Vastly, vastly overated by SinnOUT.
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
Sorry but I don't think the words Clee, fully and fit will never be in the same sentence again.
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Agree about Lawrie. Used to perform about 1 in 3 games now it's about 1 in 6. Get Densmore at rb and Sinnott in cm.
Crowther will always cut in when he's on left because he's right footed. Still preferable to Bowerman though
1 in 6 games or 15 mins out of ninety
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
FACEPALM
What does facepalm mean?
A fully fit Clee would solve a lot - but will it happen ???
To be fair 80s - I think I agree with the comment on Groundhog Day
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Clee may not be fully fit but his ability and trickery still makes him are biggest threat which considering he isn't fit says a lot about the other creative options
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
FACEPALM
What does facepalm mean?
A fully fit Clee would solve a lot - but will it happen ???
To be fair 80s - I think I agree with the comment on Groundhog Day
It's the act (metaphorically or physically) of covering one's face with the palm of one's hand, often used to convey feelings of frustration or sarcasm. Like when you see 10 players in the box defending a corner, or a free header, or a misplaced pass, or someone facing the wrong way in the box, or mulitiple stepovers. Or, when Pukka Pieman suggests all the team's problems can be solved by Nicky Clee being fully fit (and I love Nicky Clee).
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
FACEPALM
What does facepalm mean?
A fully fit Clee would solve a lot - but will it happen ???
To be fair 80s - I think I agree with the comment on Groundhog Day
It's the act (metaphorically or physically) of covering one's face with the palm of one's hand, often used to convey feelings of frustration or sarcasm. Like when you see 10 players in the box defending a corner, or a free header, or a misplaced pass, or someone facing the wrong way in the box, or mulitiple stepovers. Or, when Pukka Pieman suggests all the team's problems can be solved by Nicky Clee being fully fit (and I love Nicky Clee).
Thank you for your detailed explanation - I must confess to never having heard that expression before. I must be living a sheltered life - we used to call it 'talking bollocks' ;D
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Clee may not be fully fit but his ability and trickery still makes him are biggest threat which considering he isn't fit says a lot about the other creative options
Very true..........he can certainly cause lots of problems and change games - the opposition have to take a much more cautious approach when he is on the field. He remains our biggest threat to unlocking defences
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And how many times did Lawrie give the ball away.That is the trouble with no competition for places, duffers play week in, week out. >:(
Nice to see a few other Lawrie knockers further up this post. Vastly, vastly overated by SinnOUT.
Do you seriously still want Sinnott sacked you weirdo?
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
FACEPALM
What does facepalm mean?
A fully fit Clee would solve a lot - but will it happen ???
To be fair 80s - I think I agree with the comment on Groundhog Day
It's the act (metaphorically or physically) of covering one's face with the palm of one's hand, often used to convey feelings of frustration or sarcasm. Like when you see 10 players in the box defending a corner, or a free header, or a misplaced pass, or someone facing the wrong way in the box, or mulitiple stepovers. Or, when Pukka Pieman suggests all the team's problems can be solved by Nicky Clee being fully fit (and I love Nicky Clee).
Maybe overdoing it a bit saying it solves all the problems but if you don't think a fully fit Nicky Clee would make a massively positive difference to our play then you're a bit of a weirdo to be honest.
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I fear that those hoping to see a fully fit Nicky Clee at any point in the foreseeable future may be living in cloud cuckoo land. His injury is evidently so deep-seated as currently to limit his effective participation in any game to about 30 minutes & going by the rate of progress it will take a very long time before that amount trebles. He has to be seen, in the modern idiom (which I detest) as an 'impact sub'. Similarly, those who read the physio's notes in the club programme for the Leamington game will realise that Densmore is not going to be risked until they are sure he's fully ready.
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
FACEPALM
What does facepalm mean?
A fully fit Clee would solve a lot - but will it happen ???
To be fair 80s - I think I agree with the comment on Groundhog Day
It's the act (metaphorically or physically) of covering one's face with the palm of one's hand, often used to convey feelings of frustration or sarcasm. Like when you see 10 players in the box defending a corner, or a free header, or a misplaced pass, or someone facing the wrong way in the box, or mulitiple stepovers. Or, when Pukka Pieman suggests all the team's problems can be solved by Nicky Clee being fully fit (and I love Nicky Clee).
to be fair to him he mentioned Clee when the subject went to the form of Crowther,which he does play in the same position not sure he ment all the problems.
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Nothing a fully fit Clee wouldnt solve.
FACEPALM
What does facepalm mean?
A fully fit Clee would solve a lot - but will it happen ???
To be fair 80s - I think I agree with the comment on Groundhog Day
It's the act (metaphorically or physically) of covering one's face with the palm of one's hand, often used to convey feelings of frustration or sarcasm. Like when you see 10 players in the box defending a corner, or a free header, or a misplaced pass, or someone facing the wrong way in the box, or mulitiple stepovers. Or, when Pukka Pieman suggests all the team's problems can be solved by Nicky Clee being fully fit (and I love Nicky Clee).
Maybe overdoing it a bit saying it solves all the problems but if you don't think a fully fit Nicky Clee would make a massively positive difference to our play then you're a bit of a weirdo to be honest.
If you read my post you would glean that I don't denigrate Nicky Clee's impact on the team. My point was that it is naivete of the highest order to suggest that Nicky Clee is all that's needed.
One needs to take a realistic view, Nicky is 32 years old. He's started 3 of the 27 games played this year, getting through 90 minutes once. He managed 29 starts all last year. He won't go on forever, and he can't do it all on his own.
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And how many times did Lawrie give the ball away.That is the trouble with no competition for places, duffers play week in, week out. >:(
Nice to see a few other Lawrie knockers further up this post. Vastly, vastly overated by SinnOUT.
Even if Lawrie is not playing well, why is it "nice to see" people knocking him? Further proof that you are a warped and deeply unpleasant individual.
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For me, the only possible solution to playing 2 strikers is to have 3 orthodox CMs. In effect, Lawrie's role would become obsolete anyway.
Unfortunately this means we also need 3CBs - which we haven't got.
Sorry to be the first to say it (as far as I'm aware), but we may just have to make a brave call on Clee in the summer - we can't afford passengers.
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For me, the only possible solution to playing 2 strikers is to have 3 orthodox CMs. In effect, Lawrie's role would become obsolete anyway.
Unfortunately this means we also need 3CBs - which we haven't got.
Sorry to be the first to say it (as far as I'm aware), but we may just have to make a brave call on Clee in the summer - we can't afford passengers.
Can't afford passengers? We're lucky if we have any at all with the injuries we've had. By the way there's a few players I'd hope went along way before Clee departed, whether he's only got 20 minutes in his tank or not!
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For me, the only possible solution to playing 2 strikers is to have 3 orthodox CMs. In effect, Lawrie's role would become obsolete anyway.
Unfortunately this means we also need 3CBs - which we haven't got.
Sorry to be the first to say it (as far as I'm aware), but we may just have to make a brave call on Clee in the summer - we can't afford passengers.
if we do to get a 25 year old with his ability much of the budget would've gone
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For me, the only possible solution to playing 2 strikers is to have 3 orthodox CMs. In effect, Lawrie's role would become obsolete anyway.
Unfortunately this means we also need 3CBs - which we haven't got.
Sorry to be the first to say it (as far as I'm aware), but we may just have to make a brave call on Clee in the summer - we can't afford passengers.
if we do to get a 25 year old with his ability much of the budget would've gone
It's very rare we actually upgrade when we make these calls. I'd probably keep Clee until he can't walk in this scenario.
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Nicky Clee can often get us a result in the 15 minutes he is on the pitch.............at the moment there is nobody better in the squad at coming on an making an impact (maybe Rankine if he is on the bench)
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My understanding is that Nicky needs a minor groin op and would be back in 4-5 weeks fully fit.
When fit he makes such a huge difference to our side, as proven over years.
He still has at least 2-3 years in him I think especially if he is used more as an impact player.
All teams can be iumproved, its about players and their ability and form. I also think we play better with a 4231 formation, when we play 442 our passing game deteriorates.
I thought we looked a little rusty on tuesday having not played and only trained once since Colchester, which itself was mentally very sapping the way it ended.
Let's hope that blew the cobwebs away.The players need support and lifting at the moment, not all this sniping from the usual negative individuals on here.
My cup is still at least half full.
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Since the end of the purple patch on 31/01/2015, the record in league games reads thus:
Played 37
Won 10
Drawn 7
Lost 20
Scored 36
Conceded 61
Those are some grim stats; whether you look at them through rose-tinted specs or not, it's relegation form. It's 37 points in 37 games, with less than one goal scored per game, with no net improvements in the squad year on year. Those that are contributing are essentially those that played in the Conference North, with honourable mentions for Rankine and Deasy.
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There's lies. damn lies and statistics.
Here's another,... last season the highest relegated side had averaged 0.98 points per game.
This year,... we are averaging 1.13 points per game which would see us stay up, despite loads of injuries.
Last year exited FA cup at 1st round
This year exited in 2nd round, but only just having beaten another league club.
Glass still half full facepalm.
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hears another on if i have one beer i am fine if i have two i am drunk hows that for stats ::) ::)
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And how many times did Lawrie give the ball away.That is the trouble with no competition for places, duffers play week in, week out. >:(
Nice to see a few other Lawrie knockers further up this post. Vastly, vastly overated by SinnOUT.
Even if Lawrie is not playing well, why is it "nice to see" people knocking him? Further proof that you are a warped and deeply unpleasant individual.
and "Season's Greetings" to you ;) ;)
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There's no need to keep proving it....
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I think we are at about the same level as last season,with the bonus of beating a Leauge side in the cup,however this season we have had a lot of injuries last season we didn't.
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hears another on if i have one beer i am fine if i have two i am drunk hows that for stats ::) ::)
Is that gallons Stu ?
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Balls to stats.. the bottom line is the squad needs strengthening. Nothing more needs to be said
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Balls to stats.. the bottom line is the squad needs strengthening. Nothing more needs to be said
I do think we need to strengthen the squad Ray, but where do we start.
My only problem in loan players, do we get the commitment.
We do have players who frustrate us, but we all know they want to do well for the side.
I don't think we have one player who doesn't care.
That has to be a positive.
Bet Chelsea wish they had.
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[quote autho ;Dr=Paul Cain's Chip Pan link=topic=20895.msg242782#msg242782 date=1450370026]
There's no need to keep proving it....
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F*****G Saddo, you are. ;D ;D ;D
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Balls to stats.. the bottom line is the squad needs strengthening. Nothing more needs to be said
I do think we need to strengthen the squad Ray, but where do we start.
My only problem in loan players, do we get the commitment.
We do have players who frustrate us, but we all know they want to do well for the side.
I don't think we have one player who doesn't care.
That has to be a positive.
Bet Chelsea wish they had.
I don't think anyone will disagree. - but there are also some who will say they don't want to be relegated with a great bunch of lads either
When everyone fit we should be ok but need to keep a close eye on any major improvements at Fax, Southport, Boreham etc who could all be bringing fresh faces in
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My worry is that clubs around us will/are bringing players in, I hope we don't sit on our hands just hoping the injuries clear up and hope we don't get anymore long term injuries. I believe if we had supplemented the squad by bringing in a couple of players either loaners or otherwise earlier, we would now be in a more secure position in the league which would have taken the pressure off the players a little. I do have a concern that the rest of this season is going to be difficult.
I don't think relying on the likes of Nicky Clee having magical 30 minute cameo roles will be enough. I would rather see Nicky get fully recovered and giving us 90 minutes.
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My worry is that clubs around us will/are bringing players in, I hope we don't sit on our hands just hoping the injuries clear up and hope we don't get anymore long term injuries. I believe if we had supplemented the squad by bringing in a couple of players either loaners or otherwise earlier, we would now be in a more secure position in the league which would have taken the pressure off the players a little. I do have a concern that the rest of this season is going to be difficult.
I don't think relying on the likes of Nicky Clee having magical 30 minute cameo roles will be enough. I would rather see Nicky get fully recovered and giving us 90 minutes.
I know what you are saying Ray.
It's all down to the manager. I'm sure if he wants money, it would be available.
Do we trust the manager?
We have had the debate before.
Me personally, yes I do.
On Nicky, for what I understand , he will be having his operation in the New a Year.
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My worry is that clubs around us will/are bringing players in, I hope we don't sit on our hands just hoping the injuries clear up and hope we don't get anymore long term injuries. I believe if we had supplemented the squad by bringing in a couple of players either loaners or otherwise earlier, we would now be in a more secure position in the league which would have taken the pressure off the players a little. I do have a concern that the rest of this season is going to be difficult.
I don't think relying on the likes of Nicky Clee having magical 30 minute cameo roles will be enough. I would rather see Nicky get fully recovered and giving us 90 minutes.
I know what you are saying Ray.
It's all down to the manager. I'm sure if he wants money, it would be available.
Do we trust the manager?
We have had the debate before.
Me personally, yes I do.
On Nicky, for what I understand , he will be having his operation in the New a Year.
What's the tune?
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My worry is that clubs around us will/are bringing players in, I hope we don't sit on our hands just hoping the injuries clear up and hope we don't get anymore long term injuries. I believe if we had supplemented the squad by bringing in a couple of players either loaners or otherwise earlier, we would now be in a more secure position in the league which would have taken the pressure off the players a little. I do have a concern that the rest of this season is going to be difficult.
I don't think relying on the likes of Nicky Clee having magical 30 minute cameo roles will be enough. I would rather see Nicky get fully recovered and giving us 90 minutes.
I know what you are saying Ray.
It's all down to the manager. I'm sure if he wants money, it would be available.
Do we trust the manager?
We have had the debate before.
Me personally, yes I do.
On Nicky, for what I understand , he will be having his operation in the New a Year.
What's the tune?
Sweet Home Alabama
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[quote autho ;Dr=Paul Cain's Chip Pan link=topic=20895.msg242782#msg242782 date=1450370026]
There's no need to keep proving it....
F*****G Saddo, you are. ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks muchly. x
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Also, why does Crowther always only play 60-70 minutes. Is there some rule that he and Clee can't be in the pitch at the same time and / or Lawrie can't be taken off?
He should be fit enough to last 90 and play in the right if necessary.
I like Lawrie and think by and large he's had a good season but when he does go missing he doesn't resurface. I'd have taken him off at Colchester.
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Also, why does Crowther always only play 60-70 minutes. Is there some rule that he and Clee can't be in the pitch at the same time and / or Lawrie can't be taken off?
He should be fit enough to last 90 and play in the right if necessary.
I like Lawrie and think by and large he's had a good season but when he does go missing he doesn't resurface. I'd have taken him off at Colchester.
Gareth, we should rename Lawrie.. Red October.. ;)
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Also, why does Crowther always only play 60-70 minutes. Is there some rule that he and Clee can't be in the pitch at the same time and / or Lawrie can't be taken off?
He should be fit enough to last 90 and play in the right if necessary.
I like Lawrie and think by and large he's had a good season but when he does go missing he doesn't resurface. I'd have taken him off at Colchester.
i think with crowther it's the managers choice not to play them both at the same time
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To some degree both Lawrie and Crowther are luxury players if you know what I mean, neither are too good defensively but both can and do create something out of nothing.
Sometimes Crowther gets read well and dealt with by defenders which is why he gets taken off plus he hasnt been consistently fit. Nicky rarely gets read by defenders.
We miss Nicky as he gave us the skill and usually lasted close to 90mins, but I can see him becoming an impact playermuch more in future due to his age etc.