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Title: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 27, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
I see they've got Brett Williams in on loan to bolster their already impressive squad. No pressure on us tomorrow, just play our game and see what we can do. A point would be a great return in all honesty, and we pushed them close on the opening day.

http://m.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/VIDEO-Forest-Green-assistant-manager-Jamie-Day/story-28248681-detail/story.html

................Deasy
Sinnott...Havern....Leather....Griffin
.......................Moult
....O keefe.....Richman...Crowther
........................Lawrie
.......................Reeves
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: York Alty on November 27, 2015, 02:19:29 PM
That's the way I view it too.  I think we're actually capable of getting a point but that is a bonus.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 27, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Apart from densmore that is probably are best line up at the moment
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on November 27, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
We are a fairly generous 9/1 with Bet365, the draw is best priced at 21/5 with BetVictor, and a home win is 2/5 with Coral.

They're still my pick to win the league, as they were at the start of the season. They should really be beating us at home, but I wouldn't put a spirited draw past us at all provided we can sneak the first goal. We will really struggle if we go behind.

I just want us to come through this game with no injuries and our heads up really.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 27, 2015, 03:13:42 PM
Them odds seem ok I'd want slightly wider for the draw if I was betting
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on November 27, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
Them odds seem ok I'd want slightly wider for the draw if I was betting

Agreed, I just think there's a bit of meat on the 9/1 for us.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Ballers on November 27, 2015, 04:21:48 PM
I think the no injuries and no suspensions bit is most important tomorrow.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Leon on November 28, 2015, 11:31:49 AM
Moult sitting on four yellows for the season is a particular worry.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on November 28, 2015, 04:45:08 PM
Okeefe gets a red out of Colchester game then
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on November 28, 2015, 04:46:49 PM
and Havern wtf
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: wayno on November 28, 2015, 04:52:01 PM
Oh dear .. 2 down and 2 reds a game before the biggest cup game in 21 years .. madness
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on November 28, 2015, 05:05:03 PM
Oh dear .. 2 down and 2 reds a game before the biggest cup game in 21 years .. madness

making a hard task even harder any chance of Densmore being fit ?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on November 28, 2015, 05:05:31 PM
Absolute disaster!

Only thing to do on Sunday is attack.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 05:10:45 PM
Farce

Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on November 28, 2015, 05:11:42 PM
Farce



can we blame the ref though ?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 05:18:42 PM
Farce



can we blame the ref though ?
I don't know, but I would still have taken Havern off when he was on a yellow.

Particularly if the ref was card happy, as 3 reds suggests
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 05:24:06 PM
Absolute disaster!

Only thing to do on Sunday is attack.
Colchester let in another 5 today, maybe all out attack is a blessing in disguise?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 05:35:39 PM
------------------------Deasey
Sinnott.....Heathcote-----Leather-----Griffin
Crowther----Richman----Moult-------Clee
------------------------Lawrie
-------------------------Reeves
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: brian1925 on November 28, 2015, 05:58:49 PM
There must be a list of free agent centre backs/right backs who would be only too happy for another go on such a big stage. There must also be players out of favour at clubs already out of the competition who are not cup-tied. As bad as Colchester may be, we may struggle with what we have available unfortunately.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 06:23:48 PM
------------------------Deasey
Sinnott.....Heathcote-----Leather-----Griffin
Crowther----Richman----Moult-------Clee
------------------------Lawrie
-------------------------Reeves
Crowther has never played on the right, so I dont know why you propose it every week

The rest of your team looks right (we have no other options), but Lawrie will be on the right and Rankine up front with Reeves
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 06:27:24 PM
There must be a list of free agent centre backs/right backs who would be only too happy for another go on such a big stage. There must also be players out of favour at clubs already out of the competition who are not cup-tied. As bad as Colchester may be, we may struggle with what we have available unfortunately.
why have we not strengthened, we should have done as soon as we beat Chester

I am sure there plenty of free agents, but everyone has a price
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 06:31:23 PM
Too light in the middle playing two upfront, Crowther is right footed, two wingers gives more attacking impetus but still bodies to work in the middle. Hopefully we might get hold of some free agents in the week, we've no other option with loan window being shut. Centre backs shouldn't be to hard to get hold of.  
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: ASMO on November 28, 2015, 06:38:30 PM
Think crowther on right  , we need his pace , Leather on right to , got to at them as we know they weak at back .
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: roytonmike on November 28, 2015, 06:39:25 PM
Wasn't at the game so can't comment on sendings-off etc. With regard to next week - I believe I'm right in thinking that no loans can be made at this stage? also, when is the deadline for eligibility for a Cup-tie (some competitions it has in the past gone right to the day before, others as much as a week in advance) in the case of free agents?
Assuming no signings are possible, a starting line-up looks to me like this:
Deasy
Sinnott - Leather - Heathcote - Griffin
Bowerman - Richman - Moult - Crowther
Lawrie
Reeves
(alternative - Lawrie plays right, Bowerman behind Reeves)
I base this on the conviction that neither Clee nor Rankine is fit enough for more than 30 minutes tops.
Subs - Williams, Rankine, Clee, Swift, Davis, Stouppis; Densmore might have to be named to make up seven but I don't imagine he'd be a serious candidate to play at this point. There really is nobody else.
Colchester let another five in today, having been one up at Burton - so I suppose there's always hope, but 'to lose one player is unfortunate, to lose two looks like carelessness' (a thought loosely based on Oscar Wilde!).
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Alty Razor Squad on November 28, 2015, 06:40:37 PM
Think crowther on right  , we need his pace , Leather on right to , got to at them as we know they weak at back .

Who you going to play at centre half if you play Leather on the right??!!
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
Think crowther on right  , we need his pace , Leather on right to , got to at them as we know they weak at back .
but he cant ( or wont) play on the right, so forget it

This is hard work
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 06:45:48 PM
Too light in the middle playing two upfront, Crowther is right footed, two wingers gives more attacking impetus but still bodies to work in the middle. Hopefully we might get hold of some free agents in the week, we've no other option with loan window being shut. Centre backs shouldn't be to hard to get hold of.  
yes lets just get someone in from Ashton, no probs

Jesues wept
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 06:48:47 PM
Too light in the middle playing two upfront, Crowther is right footed, two wingers gives more attacking impetus but still bodies to work in the middle. Hopefully we might get hold of some free agents in the week, we've no other option with loan window being shut. Centre backs shouldn't be to hard to get hold of.  
you want to go there and play it tight?

We out of defenders and midfielders now. Are only chance now is to go there and score a couple
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: brian1925 on November 28, 2015, 06:49:50 PM
Danny Higginbotham anybody??? I wish I was joking...
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Alty Razor Squad on November 28, 2015, 06:50:15 PM
Too light in the middle playing two upfront, Crowther is right footed, two wingers gives more attacking impetus but still bodies to work in the middle. Hopefully we might get hold of some free agents in the week, we've no other option with loan window being shut. Centre backs shouldn't be to hard to get hold of.  

Are you basing centre backs being easy to get hold of on a GH comment that they're ten a penny?!
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: ASMO on November 28, 2015, 06:56:19 PM
Leather right centre back is what I ment .
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mr Woolf on November 28, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
Too light in the middle playing two upfront, Crowther is right footed, two wingers gives more attacking impetus but still bodies to work in the middle. Hopefully we might get hold of some free agents in the week, we've no other option with loan window being shut. Centre backs shouldn't be to hard to get hold of.  
yes lets just get someone in from Ashton, no probs

Jesues wept

Bah
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 06:59:50 PM
Too light in the middle playing two upfront, Crowther is right footed, two wingers gives more attacking impetus but still bodies to work in the middle. Hopefully we might get hold of some free agents in the week, we've no other option with loan window being shut. Centre backs shouldn't be to hard to get hold of.  

Are you basing centre backs being easy to get hold of on a GH comment that they're ten a penny?!
maybe ten a penny conf north or unibond standard, but next week we play a league 1 side

Has to be Sam, fingers crossed and hope we score a few (againt a poor Col U defence)
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 07:03:07 PM
Ashton?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 07:04:08 PM
There's loads of free agents, clubs are jettisoning players in readiness for January
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
There's loads of free agents, clubs are jettisoning players in readiness for January
like who?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 07:44:00 PM
Defenders

Abdoulaye Meite
Alberto Rodriguez
Albin Ebondo
Andy OBrien
Anthony Gardner
Anthony Reveillere
Badr El Kaddouri
Benoit Assou-Ekotto
Dan Smith
Danny Gabbidon
David Wright
Fitz Hall
Frankie Simek
Gary Borrowdale
George McCartney
Gokhan Zan
Habib BeyeJ
James Cullingworth
Jan Tauer
Jon Otsemobor
Jonathan Fortune
Jonathan Zebin
Jose Manuel
Casado Bizcocho
Joseph Yobo
Kenny Strickland
Kerrea Gilbert
Lucas Neill
Marco Zoro
Marek Cech
Mariusz Lewandowski
Matteo Ferrari
Milan Stepanov
Oguchi Onyewu
Pablo Ibanez
Rafael Schmitz
Richard Dunne
Richie Byrne
Sammy Traore
Samuel Inkoom
Stephen Kelly
Steven Mouyokolo
Stuart Parnaby
Takura Mtandari
Tamas Kadar
Timothee Atouba
Titus Bramble
Valentin Iliev
Yassin Moutaouakil
Zoumana Bakayoko
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 28, 2015, 07:45:52 PM
------------------------Deasey
Sinnott.....Heathcote-----Leather-----Griffin
Crowther----Richman----Moult-------Clee
------------------------Lawrie
-------------------------Reeves
Crowther has never played on the right, so I dont know why you propose it every week

The rest of your team looks right (we have no other options), but Lawrie will be on the right and Rankine up front with Reeves
correct crowther doesn't play on the right despite him being right footed something we have to live with and be thankful he's improved on the left
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 07:50:36 PM
Cheers Pete for the list, which on that list are better than Sam Heathcote?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 07:54:32 PM
Don't know mate, I'm not a football manager, you asked what defenders were free agents that weren't from Ashton United
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 28, 2015, 08:04:28 PM
Everytime Iv seen heathcote Iv been impressed I'm actually more worried about okeefe who has looked good in recent weeks
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 08:06:52 PM
Don't know mate, I'm not a football manager, you asked what defenders were free agents that weren't from Ashton United
have you sent the list to the manager

O holy one
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 28, 2015, 08:21:44 PM
O'Keefe was never a red and I wouldn't be surprised if we appealed that one but Luca gave a hopeless ref no choice it was really stupid when already on a yellow in a game that frankly was already beyond us
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mick on November 28, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
Defenders

Abdoulaye Meite
Alberto Rodriguez
Albin Ebondo
Andy OBrien
Anthony Gardner
Anthony Reveillere
Badr El Kaddouri
Benoit Assou-Ekotto
Dan Smith
Danny Gabbidon
David Wright
Fitz Hall
Frankie Simek
Gary Borrowdale
George McCartney
Gokhan Zan
Habib BeyeJ
James Cullingworth
Jan Tauer
Jon Otsemobor
Jonathan Fortune
Jonathan Zebin
Jose Manuel
Casado Bizcocho
Joseph Yobo
Kenny Strickland
Kerrea Gilbert
Lucas Neill
Marco Zoro
Marek Cech
Mariusz Lewandowski
Matteo Ferrari
Milan Stepanov
Oguchi Onyewu
Pablo Ibanez
Rafael Schmitz
Richard Dunne
Richie Byrne
Sammy Traore
Samuel Inkoom
Stephen Kelly
Steven Mouyokolo
Stuart Parnaby
Takura Mtandari
Tamas Kadar
Timothee Atouba
Titus Bramble
Valentin Iliev
Yassin Moutaouakil
Zoumana Bakayoko

A few work permits there for George to sort out  ;D
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 28, 2015, 08:38:26 PM
That game was a farce from start to finish.  Ref was one of the worst I've seen with several obvious decisions wrong, mostly in their favour but a couple our way too.  Their red for retaliation was not the first time they had overreacted but the yellow for simon for the original foul was nonsense.  Most of us seemed to expect us to get the freekick.

The penalty appeal was 50/50 for me but those stood nearer certainly felt it was a pen.  How we didn't get the one in the second half was beyond me, even from the other end of the pitch we could see the triangle they had made of the Alty shirt and he gave nothing.  Every time they fell over in those conditions he gave something.

Josh's red was a yellow at worst.  Yes his feet left the floor but by the time he'd slid 6 feet to where their player was he had no momentum left and made contact with his shin not his studs, their guy over reacted and the ref made a howler - definitely worth an appeal.

The pitch in our left back area second half was not playable and I wasn't surprised they only attacked down that side once all half - if there had been more play in that area the ref would have had to have considered calling it off.

As I said above Luca's red gave the ref no choice and was in the words of Brian Moore ' Dull' from Luca.

Players did well given the shocking start and conditions and didn't give up.

Onwards to Colchester
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 08:39:07 PM
Don't know mate, I'm not a football manager, you asked what defenders were free agents that weren't from Ashton United
have you sent the list to the manager

O holy one

Sent it to the manager?? We're Altrincham FC not Atlantic timber FC
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: RedhillAlty on November 28, 2015, 08:42:41 PM
According to the FGR stewards, they wanted the match postponed due the to poor surface and bad weather, but our management team pushed for it to go ahead - probably partly due to the dreadful thought of having to go back there on a Tuesday night in Feb. The heavy rain and wind were relentless for the whole game. It suited FGR more due to the size of their players. This ref was dreadful, got many decisions wrong including a certain penalty for us and two others that I would have given. As well as being card happy, he gave no consideration to a surface that was arguably just about playable with both sets of players sliding all over the pitch chasing a ball controlled more by the wind. I thought we tried our passing game and gave our best and were beaten by a physically bigger side, the elements and really sH** officiating. To make things worse, we are now two more players short for next week.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 28, 2015, 08:52:36 PM
Evenin' Redhill, I was the chap in the Alty coat stood with you chatting to the stewards - nice to put a face to a user name!
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Sheffield_Alty on November 28, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
Sam Heathcote will not be good enough, not good enough in the conference (Macc away and wrexham away) so will not be good enough for LG1 opponents. Need to get new CB, stupidity of the absolute highest order for 2 of our players to be sent off a week before our biggest game of the last two decades. Colchester are clearly woeful at the back (we aren't much better) and whilst we may well score, its a question of how many we may well concede. BTTS seems a safe bet for next sunday

on the positive side, not in the relegation zone and unlike Colchester we have a manager
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
Don't know mate, I'm not a football manager, you asked what defenders were free agents that weren't from Ashton United
have you sent the list to the manager

O holy one

Sent it to the manager?? We're Altrincham FC not Atlantic timber FC
I would go with Heathcote, but you dont trust that? You dont trust the manager?

Heathcote was signed on as cover at the start of the season, given a squad number as well

Is that not good enough for you?

Do you back the manager when he wants to run with a 18 man squad or not?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 28, 2015, 09:07:12 PM
Sam Heathcote will not be good enough, not good enough in the conference (Macc away and wrexham away) so will not be good enough for LG1 opponents. Need to get new CB, stupidity of the absolute highest order for 2 of our players to be sent off a week before our biggest game of the last two decades. Colchester are clearly woeful at the back (we aren't much better) and whilst we may well score, its a question of how many we may well concede. BTTS seems a safe bet for next sunday

on the positive side, not in the relegation zone and unlike Colchester we have a manager
i was led to believe heathcote didn't play defence against Wrexham id not go so will stand corrected if wrong
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 28, 2015, 09:14:30 PM
Sam Heathcote will not be good enough, not good enough in the conference (Macc away and wrexham away) so will not be good enough for LG1 opponents. Need to get new CB, stupidity of the absolute highest order for 2 of our players to be sent off a week before our biggest game of the last two decades. Colchester are clearly woeful at the back (we aren't much better) and whilst we may well score, its a question of how many we may well concede. BTTS seems a safe bet for next sunday

on the positive side, not in the relegation zone and unlike Colchester we have a manager

I wouldn't blame Josh, he was going for one of many sliding tackles in the game and had slid a couple of yards before he made contact in a non-violent or dangerous way with their overreacting idiot.  I agree with you in Luca's case though
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: ManagementGuru on November 28, 2015, 09:18:36 PM
The list of players is helpful - but how many of them are part-time?

I am not sure Benoit Assou-Ekotto is a postman by day
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 28, 2015, 09:23:11 PM
Neil Webb was a postman when he came out of the pro game
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on November 28, 2015, 09:24:09 PM
The players were  told not to let the FA cup distract them and they clearly didn't.

The staggering thing is Haverns red.  Its been coming.  Never have I seen a defender hold/pull shirts as much.

Heathcote played rw at Wrexham



Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 28, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
Sam Heathcote will not be good enough, not good enough in the conference (Macc away and wrexham away) so will not be good enough for LG1 opponents. Need to get new CB, stupidity of the absolute highest order for 2 of our players to be sent off a week before our biggest game of the last two decades. Colchester are clearly woeful at the back (we aren't much better) and whilst we may well score, its a question of how many we may well concede. BTTS seems a safe bet for next sunday

on the positive side, not in the relegation zone and unlike Colchester we have a manager
i was led to believe heathcote didn't play defence against Wrexham id not go so will stand corrected if wrong
your right Jimmy, played on the right wing that game
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: B. 4D on November 29, 2015, 12:09:00 AM
According to the FGR stewards, they wanted the match postponed due the to poor surface and bad weather, but our management team pushed for it to go ahead - probably partly due to the dreadful thought of having to go back there on a Tuesday night in Feb. The heavy rain and wind were relentless for the whole game. It suited FGR more due to the size of their players. This ref was dreadful, got many decisions wrong including a certain penalty for us and two others that I would have given. As well as being card happy, he gave no consideration to a surface that was arguably just about playable with both sets of players sliding all over the pitch chasing a ball controlled more by the wind. I thought we tried our passing game and gave our best and were beaten by a physically bigger side, the elements and really sH** officiating. To make things worse, we are now two more players short for next week.

As said in another post. Good to put a face to a name.
I thought today we made some good chances, but didn't put them away.
The ref was poor, we should have had more than one penalty.
The trip in the box, and the continuous shirt pulling by their No 16.
Think Scott Leather would have something to say about that!!!!
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on November 29, 2015, 12:50:18 AM

"What, Alty fans moaning? Never. Most obnoxious fans within the Non league system."


The FGR viewpoint:
  

http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501 (http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501)

Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on November 29, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
"Present company excepted".
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 29, 2015, 12:50:01 PM

"What, Alty fans moaning? Never. Most obnoxious fans within the Non league system."


The FGR viewpoint:
  

http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501 (http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501)


unfortunately this is the perception other clubs have of us - comes from our righteous attitude and always complaining about other teams money
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 29, 2015, 01:12:45 PM
Probably right ham
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on November 29, 2015, 02:15:50 PM

"What, Alty fans moaning? Never. Most obnoxious fans within the Non league system."


The FGR viewpoint:
  

http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501 (http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501)


unfortunately this is the perception other clubs have of us - comes from our righteous attitude and always complaining about other teams money



Maybe they will be moaning about our money when Duncan moves to a top premier league club.

Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy Hill on November 29, 2015, 02:41:45 PM

"What, Alty fans moaning? Never. Most obnoxious fans within the Non league system."


The FGR viewpoint:
  

http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501 (http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501)


unfortunately this is the perception other clubs have of us - comes from our righteous attitude and always complaining about other teams money

I agree - we are a right bunch of whingers on the internet sometimes.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: RedhillAlty on November 29, 2015, 04:13:26 PM

"What, Alty fans moaning? Never. Most obnoxious fans within the Non league system."


The FGR viewpoint:
  

http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501 (http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501)



For the benefit of those not there yesterday, I can tell you we had a lot to moan about.
Firstly after being charged £4 car park I was instructed to park at the end of the away end on the grass as the main car park (concrete surface) is for home fans only. We were then blocked in after the game by cars parked by home fans.
They ram home the point their owner chooses to be Vegan, so everyone else must follow suit - no suggestion of meat or even cow's milk.
It was extremely cold and wet.
As if the elements didn't spoil the game enough, the Ref made sure he did and insisted on being the star jester.
I am not disputing that it wasn't our management that pushed for the game to be played, but in the second half the surface was not safe. There was one particular incident when a FGR forward slid into the barrier behind our goal-line and as funny as some of our fans found it, the reality is he could have been seriously hurt - if I was refereeing a match, I would have abandoned it immediately.
I am not complaining about losing to a team second in this league, but the elements and poor officiating yesterday could have an effect on our future results.
Maybe there fans don't realise what most other fans think of them - Forest Green's a joke (although yesterday it didn't seem funny).
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: im not really here on November 29, 2015, 05:18:30 PM

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For the benefit of those not there yesterday, I can tell you we had a lot to moan about.
Firstly after being charged £4 car park I was instructed to park at the end of the away end on the grass as the main car park (concrete surface) is for home fans only. We were then blocked in after the game by cars parked by home fans.
They ram home the point their owner chooses to be Vegan, so everyone else must follow suit - no suggestion of meat or even cow's milk.
It was extremely cold and wet.
As if the elements didn't spoil the game enough, the Ref made sure he did and insisted on being the star jester.
I am not disputing that it wasn't our management that pushed for the game to be played, but in the second half the surface was not safe. There was one particular incident when a FGR forward slid into the barrier behind our goal-line and as funny as some of our fans found it, the reality is he could have been seriously hurt - if I was refereeing a match, I would have abandoned it immediately.
I am not complaining about losing to a team second in this league, but the elements and poor officiating yesterday could have an effect on our future results.
Maybe there fans don't realise what most other fans think of them - Forest Green's a joke (although yesterday it didn't seem funny).

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What utter rubbish! We parked on the grass and had no problem getting out. I had a cup of tea with Soya milk and wasn't the worst tea I've had at a match including Moss Lane - we even had a joke with the girls in the snack bar about it. As for the game when you let a guy like Jon Parkin run through your defence after 1 minute and then leave him unmarked from a corner after 17 mins you've got an uphill battle. Also the wind was against us in the 2nd half which made our job harder. The ref wasn't great and I thought he could have taken the conditions into consideration a bit more and thought that O'Keefe's red card was wrong but did he need to make that challenge in the centre of the park. As for Havern's red card I'm not sure even he knew what he was doing. The pitch wasn't unsafe and it certainly wasn't dangerous, I've seen games played on worst pitches and conditions. I watched the game with a former Southern Premier Division player and manager who saw no problem with the pitch or conditions and agreed with me that we were beaten by a better and physically stronger team. Don't forget they hit the post, top of crossbar and Sinnott had that great clearance off the line. We worked hard and battled at times but didn't deserve to get anything out of it. I actually enjoyed my trip except for the result, great facilities and friendly staff - I think you're just moaning for the sake of it which kind of proves their point.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 29, 2015, 05:38:55 PM
There were some weird things worthy of a moan yesterday but FGR have copped a lot of stick of us in the past over the Peake stuff which they were probably unaware of the reasons why we always turned up at their place angry before we started.  They will have formed an opinion of us from those days.

Food was odd - we knew there would be no meat (you can have gravy on your chips though ???) but the hot chocolate was really odd and watery, the only chocolate on offer was some over priced poncy nougat stuff - there are no real cats in a kit-kat and what's wrong with Mars or twix?

£4 parking is steep - especially when it is in a school down the road and they can get away with it because they are in the middle of nowhere and there are no other options.

Ref was a grade A clown, Josh was never a red in million years, having watched the video I don't know what their red was for either and there were many other shocking decisions - maybe the rain got in his eyes?

Staff were friendly though, stewards and snack bar staff who have clearly heard it all before about the catering.

Did we deserve a point, absolutely not - they were quicker and stronger, although we played the neater football we didn't threaten as often as they did - the conditions suited their more direct style of play more than ours.  No complaints on the result but we should not have two players suspended for next week and that is what really rankles, hopefully an appeal can at least resolve that bit
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 29, 2015, 05:50:55 PM
I used to dislike them because of Peake now I'm indifferent towards them in fact I'd like them to go up as their ground is in the middle of nowhere and not much of a day out
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 29, 2015, 05:52:03 PM
but only 45 minutes from me so I'm keen they and Cheltenham stay in here with us!
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 29, 2015, 05:57:55 PM
but only 45 minutes from me so I'm keen they and Cheltenham stay in here with us!
fair enough
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on November 29, 2015, 05:58:10 PM

"What, Alty fans moaning? Never. Most obnoxious fans within the Non league system."


The FGR viewpoint:
  

http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501 (http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57501)



For the benefit of those not there yesterday, I can tell you we had a lot to moan about.
Firstly after being charged £4 car park I was instructed to park at the end of the away end on the grass as the main car park (concrete surface) is for home fans only. We were then blocked in after the game by cars parked by home fans.
They ram home the point their owner chooses to be Vegan, so everyone else must follow suit - no suggestion of meat or even cow's milk.
It was extremely cold and wet.
As if the elements didn't spoil the game enough, the Ref made sure he did and insisted on being the star jester.
I am not disputing that it wasn't our management that pushed for the game to be played, but in the second half the surface was not safe. There was one particular incident when a FGR forward slid into the barrier behind our goal-line and as funny as some of our fans found it, the reality is he could have been seriously hurt - if I was refereeing a match, I would have abandoned it immediately.
I am not complaining about losing to a team second in this league, but the elements and poor officiating yesterday could have an effect on our future results.
Maybe there fans don't realise what most other fans think of them - Forest Green's a joke (although yesterday it didn't seem funny).

it was our management who pushed for the game to go ahead, so your gripe about the conditions should be directed at them

Everything else your moaning about you knew before you went yesterday, so as others have said your moaning for moaning sake, and proving other clubs negative perception of us correct
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 29, 2015, 06:05:07 PM
There is a world of difference between being keen on starting a match on a pitch that was quite wet and playing on what that had become in the second half after an enormous dowpour.

Also not sure that Redhill could have known in advance that the ref was going to be a clown and send Josh off?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: im not really here on November 29, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
The pirch was not unplayable
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on November 29, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
The pirch was not unplayable

We've played on far worse (any fixture at Droylsden, as Ecky reminded me !) but it certainly deteriorated as the game progressed. But I wouldn't have thought of calling it off at any stage.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on November 29, 2015, 08:36:55 PM
the bit to the left of our area in the second half may have been but they only came down that side once - definitely clutching at undeserved straws though!
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on November 29, 2015, 08:37:51 PM
The pirch was not unplayable

We've played on far worse (any fixture at Droylsden, as Ecky reminded me !) but it certainly deteriorated as the game progressed. But I wouldn't have thought of calling it off at any stage.

I remember the pitch was absolutely disgraceful for that 3-1 loss on New Year's Day 2012. What a day that was... Attendance of around 600 and I reckon we easily had 400 fans there. I've a picture somewhere of us completely dominating that terrace behind the goal. In typical Alty fashion, any invasion fixture equals a loss.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on November 29, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
The pirch was not unplayable

We've played on far worse (any fixture at Droylsden, as Ecky reminded me !) but it certainly deteriorated as the game progressed. But I wouldn't have thought of calling it off at any stage.

I remember the pitch was absolutely disgraceful for that 3-1 loss on New Year's Day 2012. What a day that was... Attendance of around 600 and I reckon we easily had 400 fans there. I've a picture somewhere of us completely dominating that terrace behind the goal. In typical Alty fashion, any invasion fixture equals a loss.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/34e5oip.jpg)
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on November 29, 2015, 09:43:20 PM
It was like a bowling green that day compared to the ploughed field incident around 2002/2003'ish.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: York Alty on November 29, 2015, 10:03:16 PM
It was like a bowling green that day compared to the ploughed field incident around 2002/2003'ish.

That was shocking - wasn't the grass about ankle high?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on November 29, 2015, 11:07:04 PM
It was like a bowling green that day compared to the ploughed field incident around 2002/2003'ish.

That was shocking - wasn't the grass about ankle high?

There were parallel grooves all over the pitch, like it had been ploughed ready for crops to be planted on it 
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on November 30, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
It was like a bowling green that day compared to the ploughed field incident around 2002/2003'ish.

That was shocking - wasn't the grass about ankle high?

There were parallel grooves all over the pitch, like it had been ploughed ready for crops to be planted on it 

Was that the game where there was practically no grass,  it looked like a chequer board pattern gouged into the mud, and Steve Hawes got sent off ? I was still raging by the time I got home.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: PukkaPieman on December 01, 2015, 04:20:12 PM
Someone at FGR claims that Dale Bennet just had his red card rescinded. Not heard about O'Keefe ? Not sure thats right?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: B. 4D on December 01, 2015, 04:38:46 PM
Dale Bennet just had his red card rescinded. Not heard about O'Keefe ?

Would love to see the refs report!!
I thought it was for verbal abuse, but their forum seems to think it was for stamping after the foul.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Brian Flynn on December 01, 2015, 05:21:48 PM
Dale Bennet just had his red card rescinded. Not heard about O'Keefe ?

Would love to see the refs report!!
I thought it was for verbal abuse, but their forum seems to think it was for stamping after the foul.

The ref indicates that it's stamping here (4 minutes):-

http://www.forestgreenroversfc.com/games/match-reports/first-team/2015-16/altrincham-home

The way the situation is handled by the referee is exceptionally poor, particularly the seemingly random waving of the red & yellow card. This official needs taking to one side & given a good dressing down for his ineptness.
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on December 01, 2015, 05:51:15 PM
It'll be poor form if they rescind one and not the other. The FGR player completely sold (what he already knew to be) a poor official into evening things up with blatant theatrics. He should be retrospectively been sanctioned for his rolling around
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on December 01, 2015, 08:25:35 PM
It'll be poor form if they rescind one and not the other. The FGR player completely sold (what he already knew to be) a poor official into evening things up with blatant theatrics. He should be retrospectively been sanctioned for his rolling around
not sure wasn't there, but the TV evidence backs up these decisions

Maybe instead of complaining about referee decisions as in the norm, we should hold our idiot players accountable?
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on December 02, 2015, 08:39:06 AM
maybe we shoudn't pass judgement about the idoitness or otherwise of our players without witnessing first hand the incident we are referring to.  I know we bang on about refs from time to time but that one was spectacularly bad for both teams
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 02, 2015, 09:26:13 AM
We bang on about refs every game we lose
Title: Re: FGR - Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on December 02, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
I bang on about the referees simply because the majority of them are fkn rubbish.
Thats not moaning that's a fact (in this league)