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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mr Woolf on October 04, 2015, 01:06:52 PM
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The reds go marching on on on, 3-0 alty
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A win - love another clean sheet but I'm not sure we'll bag three. I'll go two nil with Young Master Reeves scoring again.
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We battled very well yesterday and it was an excellent result. I was impressed with how Barrow played, very positive. I would like the same formation against Halifax but with Crowther and Clee as wide players with Lawrie ( central ) behind Reeves or Rankine. I'd also go with Desmore right back as we miss his attacking threat. I'd return Leather to centre back for Parry. I think Sinnott junior needs a couple of games rest, in-play he's still some pace behind games, but is good at set pieces I.e. freekicks and throw ins but it's not enough to warrant a starting position each week. Clee needs to get his fitness up and Crowther is deserving his position and is positive in his approach.
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We battled very well yesterday and it was an excellent result. I was impressed with how Barrow played, very positive. I would like the same formation against Halifax but with Crowther and Clee as wide players with Lawrie ( central ) behind Reeves or Rankine. I'd also go with Desmore right back as we miss his attacking threat. I'd return Leather to centre back for Parry. I think Sinnott junior needs a couple of games rest, in-play he's still some pace behind games, but is good at set pieces I.e. freekicks and throw ins but it's not enough to warrant a starting position each week. Clee needs to get his fitness up and Crowther is deserving his position and is positive in his approach.
i agree I thought barrow were no mugs good side
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I am a little fearful of this one - Fax come with no points from six away games and on the back of an almighty thrashing at home, all of which spells big banana skin if we're not careful, and we all know what tends to happen when we play teams from the bottom end of the table. We ought to win, but nothing can be guaranteed. As regards team selection, in an ideal world I would like to see Clee start the game as Griffin needs the kind of support that only Clee seems able or willing to provide by tracking back as an auxiliary full-back when needed; I would also like to see Densmore at right-back, allowing Leather & Havern to resume their successful partnership (which should not be taken as criticism of Parry, by the way, simply a wish to get what would be our first choice pairing for the foreseeable future back in place). However, this depends on their state of readiness, which only the management and physio can really assess. I feel Densmore loses focus and effectiveness if put in midfield, so the problem of who to play wide right remains. Crowther favours his right foot, so could he be used there if Clee is selected on the left, with Moult and Richman in the middle? Up front much depends on the state of Rankine's back. If he's not fit, Reeves in front of Lawrie strikes me as the best option, with Bowerman available to take over should Reeves tire; if he is available for selection perhaps Rankine could be on the bench as another attacking option on this occasion. O'Keefe, Sinnott and Parry would be the other subs. So my ideal would be -
Deasy
Densmore - Havern - Leather - Griffin
Crowther - Richman - Moult - Clee
Lawrie
Reeves
(Subs Bowerman, Rankine, Sinnott, O'Keefe, Parry)
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I agree with that team for Tuesday even if rankine is fit it would mean crowther on right which he doesn't play but he is right footed and he has scored against Torquay and Dover playing on right
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Cant make Tueday but..... We need to start better from the off and get on the front foot from the first whistle.. If we do that then 3 points are an attainable target.. 3-1 Alty.. Reevsie to bag another goal
Att 973..
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Agree 100%with the team selections in this thread. You've got to play Nicky and Reevesy against Fax, as they always seem to enjoy playing against them.
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I'd expect Halifax to get 4-5 in on loan today or tomorrow, the current bunch have not exactly done themselves many favours as the new manager watched on.
That said we all know Cheltenham are a good side from what we saw here.
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If we score can we play sh*te music over the PA system and all sing da der da da ???????
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If Halifax come to defend it will be difficult as we need to be more creative to break them down.
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If Halifax come to defend it will be difficult as we need to be more creative to break them down.
Cue Clee.
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The joint-lowest goalscorers in the league face the team with the worst defensive record in the division.
Let's hope that we can inflict some further misery on Darren Kelly, whose two most recent fixtures as a manager have ended in 5-1 and 7-1 defeats respectively.
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Them losing 1-7 was the last thing we needed.
Re team formations. Although I was critical of it at the time at home to Chester it turned out to be superb having Clee and Crowther on their 'wrong' wings and cutting inside with full backs overlapping.
Whatever happened to that? I'm sure you can't do it long term but it's a bit odd it got out away with the Xmas decorations. Or did I miss where we played it?
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If Halifax come to defend it will be difficult as we need to be more creative to break them down.
The fact that they have so far conceded a total of 32 goals in 14 games suggests that they haven't yet mastered the art of defending.
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Them losing 1-7 was the last thing we needed.
Re team formations. Although I was critical of it at the time at home to Chester it turned out to be superb having Clee and Crowther on their 'wrong' wings and cutting inside with full backs overlapping.
Whatever happened to that? I'm sure you can't do it long term but it's a bit odd it got out away with the Xmas decorations. Or did I miss where we played it?
Interesting point.............would we sooner play a team that has just lost 7-1 to Cheltenham or play a team that has just beaten Cheltenham 7-1.
I know exactly what you mean, but we have just 'mugged' Barrow..........we should have been 4-nil down at HT, yet won the game
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Deasy
Densmore leather havern Griffin
Crowther mould Richman Clee
Lawrie
Reeves
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Deasy
Densmore leather havern Griffin
Crowther mould Richman Clee
Lawrie
Reeves
Seems to be the consensus - the only thing I can see Lee doing differently (and he will), is keep Crowther on the left, Clee on the bench and Jordan on the right.
They seem to be in absolute disarray, so I'm going for Alty 0-1 Halifax. I know us too well :D
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I agree with this team I also agree with marple about the team that will actually start
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I hate predicting that we'll win (as invariably I am wrong), however, Halifax have enormous problems both on and off the field at the moment and given our past record against them, it is hard to see Halifax actually winning. Famous last words...
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Deasy
Densmore leather havern Griffin
Crowther mould Richman Clee
Lawrie
Reeves
Seems to be the consensus - the only thing I can see Lee doing differently (and he will), is keep Crowther on the left, Clee on the bench and Jordan on the right.
They seem to be in absolute disarray, so I'm going for Alty 0-1 Halifax. I know us too well :D
I don't think he will, after Saturday.
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I'll be surprised if Parry doesn't start.
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I'll be surprised if Parry doesn't start.
Given the terms of loans, we're pretty well committed to starting him. I'd expect him in midfield.....and possibly at the expense of Sinnott in view of Saturday's goings on. Otherwise it'll be Nicky on the bench.
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I'll be surprised if Parry doesn't start.
Given the terms of loans, we're pretty well committed to starting him. I'd expect him in midfield.....and possibly at the expense of Sinnott in view of Saturday's goings on. Otherwise it'll be Nicky on the bench.
I wouldn't change a clean sheet keeping back four to be honest, and if people are convinced Sinnott will be dropped (I'm not so certain) then I think Lee would be inclined to play:
Deasy
Leather
Havern
Parry
Griffin
Densmore
Richman
Moult
Crowther
Lawrie
Reeves
As Clee isn't match fit I don't think he'll be risked starting and bringing him on with 30 left to run at tired defenders would be lovely.
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Jordan Sinnott will start. I think Lee's more stubborn than that.
Interesting about Parry having to start? Didn't think that was necessarily the case. But if so, Dens at RM wouldn't be a bad shout
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I don't think you have to start loan players more a case of being obliged to play them
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I wouldn't have Parry anywhere near the midfield to be honest with you.
I don't think LS will rush Dens or Clee back, particularly clee
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A lot of rain expected tonight - hope it doesn't ruin the game as a spectacle (or act as a leveller on the one occasion we might actually be seen as strong favourites...)
The more I think about it, the more I think he'll just line up the same as against Barrow, and not rush Dens/Clee/Rankine back.
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/altrincham-set-selection-headache-national-10206564 (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/altrincham-set-selection-headache-national-10206564)
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I would like to see Clee and Crowth start on the wings as this is a must-win game - as we all know only too well; the sort of game we were losing last season.
However, I do think Sinnott will use Clee for impact late on. Otherwise, I like the idea of Dens at right mid and Lawrie MUST play behind Reevesy:
Deasey
Leather Parry Luca Griff
Moult & Richman
Dens Lawrie Crowther
Reevesy
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this is the team
17. Tim DEASY, 6. Scott LEATHER, 22. Andrew PARRY, 5. Luca HAVERN, 3. Adam GRIFFIN, 4. Jake MOULT, 8. Simon RICHMAN, 7. James LAWRIE, 20. Jordan SINNOTT, 11. Nicky CLEE, 10. Damian REEVES,
Subs: 2. Shaun DENSMORE, 18. George BOWERMAN, 12. Sam HEATHCOTE, 14. Josh O'KEEFE, 19. Ryan CROWTHER
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I expect a Jordan Sinnott hat-trick!
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Ryan Crowther should feel very hard done by.
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According to text updates Ryan Crowther picked up a knock on Saturday.
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He isn't in the 16 according to line up on sky app
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Someone always seems to pick up a knock to make certain things possible 😉
Still, I'm glad Nicky and Reevesy are starting - just wish I wasn't working.
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Ryan Crowther should feel very hard done by.
He should indeed. Getting a hamstring injury when you're playing so well is very harsh.
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Presumably Dens is still injured then?
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Presumably Dens is still injured then?
Or not fit enough to play from the start. Weening him in with the last 35 or so?
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We could be gone by then
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What a lovely footballer Griff is.
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What a lovely footballer Griff is.
At fault for both of the goals from my perspective.
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Sounds like we were sh*te with a capital 'S'
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We were not as good after Sinnott went off: discuss!
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We were not as good after Sinnott went off: discuss!
Very true. Him and Lawrie looked the most arsed tonight.
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Thought Clee was absolutely terrible tonight. The lack of tracking (effort) he put in was infuriating. Real mixed bag of performances tonight. Thought our best spell was at the end of the first half. A few good balls whipped in. To be fair to them they were very well organised and we're difficult to play through. Did a job on us.
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Thought Clee was absolutely terrible tonight. The lack of tracking (effort) he put in was infuriating. Real mixed bag of performances tonight. Thought our best spell was at the end of the first half. A few good balls whipped in. To be fair to them they were very well organised and we're difficult to play through. Did a job on us.
I guess Crowther was due to start and Clee come on later. Injury put paid to that idea.
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I imagine so, I was more annoyed with his effort than application. Don't get me wrong he is not the reason we lost but the laziness just really annoys me. I am hardly a Simon Richman when I play football but I don't get paid to play for Altrincham FC. He isn't the first and won't be the last to annoy me on this topic.
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I can only assume, in his defence, that he was simply not match fit.
Sadly, with his injury record, I just wonder if we are witnessing the demise of Clee as any more than an impact player. I hope I am being - not for the first time - premature!
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Positives from tonight:
Reeves looking back to himself again. Great header for the goal
Some people will still say he was a disgrace, but I thought Sinnott was our most creative player tonight
Struggling after that. Regroup and get something at Aldershot
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How many matches like that have we seen recently.
Terrible.
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Not necessarily the demise of Clee just needs to not just get match fit but fit... regardless of the injury who could of done something to keep himself relatively fit.
Reeves finish was good.
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everyone was poor, Clee is one of the only exciting player we have so has to play, he wasn't 100% as usually he does offer more protection to Griff.
If that's Reeves back to his old self Rankine comes back in as soon as possible.
Knowing Alty we will beat Aldershot and loose to Kiddy
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*lose
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Both goals conceded were down to Moult giving the ball away!
Only positive was havern not getting a red.
Didn't start playing until they scored. Finished 1st half well. Stated 2nd half with 3 cbs and densmore and Griffin as wbs. Once we equalised I thought we'd kick on and wrap it up.
'Calpol' springs to mind
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Moult, rather unusually, had a nightmare of a game. But, on the whole, they were all poor. As for Lee, " 24 hours from....."?
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Thought Jordon had a decent game tonight , Jake Moult made so many bad passes , don't think it was pen , and Luca a lucky man to not get red card .
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Both goals conceded were down to Moult giving the ball away!
Only positive was havern not getting a red.
Didn't start playing until they scored. Finished 1st half well. Stated 2nd half with 3 cbs and densmore and Griffin as wbs. Once we equalised I thought we'd kick on and wrap it up.
'Calpol' springs to mind
I actually asked for them to score, so that we could start playing, approximately 5 seconds before they did.
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As I was getting out of the car, I said to eightiesjunior that I had a real feeling of deja vu from the Worcester City game of January 2014. Pissing down, evening kick off, playing a team which (on paper) you would be fairly confident of beating.
And so it came to pass. Striker missing injured (for Rankine read Walshaw), Griffin playing up front, disallowed goal, opposition scoring from nowhere second half. No lack of effort, but frustrated by the conditions and the opposition. They even played in blue.
Still, I suppose it had to happen after using up a few games worth of fortune on Saturday. Just one of those things IMO.
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Truly awful passing tonight - very frustrating to watch and must have been just as frustrating for the management (and players probably).
Clee and Dens very rusty, Moult, Richman and Lawrie seemed to want to pass it through Halifax players. Jordan Sinnott put in a few wicked crosses in first half but we didn't capitalise.
One step forward and one step back, again
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Moult, rather unusually, had a nightmare of a game. But, on the whole, they were all poor. As for Lee, " 24 hours from....."?
Tulsa...?
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Moult, rather unusually, had a nightmare of a game. But, on the whole, they were all poor. As for Lee, " 24 hours from....."?
Tulsa...?
He's finding that Altrincham is "A Town Without Pity".
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Horrible scrapy game but they wanted it more. I still feel we are far to open 4-4-2, Clee always needs 5 or 6 games to really get going but his and Crowther's injury records are poor. Parry has been good but we have one of the best centre backs in the league in Leather at right back, we simply need him in the centre. Dens needs a couple of games to get fit again, we need him bobbing on the overlap. I am a Reeves fan but we need 3 in midfield so I would start Rankine as he has all attributes. I would love to say we are good enough to play two up top but we aren't and last night proved it again unfortunately. We also need to get a bit more dirty in games, I don't mean horrible tackles just more physical and we need to step out and close down higher up the pitch a lot lot quicker.
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Horrible scrapy game but they wanted it more. I still feel we are far to open 4-4-2, Clee always needs 5 or 6 games to really get going but his and Crowther's injury records are poor. Parry has been good but we have one of the best centre backs in the league in Leather at right back, we simply need him in the centre. Dens needs a couple of games to get fit again, we need him bobbing on the overlap. I am a Reeves fan but we need 3 in midfield so I would start Rankine as he has all attributes. I would love to say we are good enough to play two up top but we aren't and last night proved it again unfortunately. We also need to get a bit more dirty in games, I don't mean horrible tackles just more physical and we need to step out and close down higher up the pitch a lot lot quicker.
Spot on - I dreaded it the moment I realised we were essentailly setting up as 4-4-2. Lawrie behind Rankine has tended to work better so far, at least in Rankine we have something to make the ball stick up there.
We all know Leather is a class act and has to start in the middle. Full stop. Dens can come straight back in at RB so he can get up to speed sooner rather than later.
Can I also spare a few words for Jordan Burrow - I thought he was absolutely magnificent last night, he took the chances he had. A goal scoring target man, they'll struggle to keep hold of him.
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Agreed Burrow was very good! Reminded me of Constable back in the day
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If we only play 1 upfront I'd normally play reeves but the management have got abit of homework to do and check out the type of teams we play and maybe sometimes use reeves sometimes rankine
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It's such a shame about the Reeves and Rankine not being in the same team. All it would take is one decent midfielder to fit alongside Jake and Si to make it possible.
What's even more damaging to our chances of doing well this year, is this endless list of injuries. Neither Clee nor Crowther seem to be able to string more than a couple of games together and this leaves us incredibly short of pace and width. It's key players who keep getting injured too. The management must be extremely frustrated by it all. Will we have more than12/13 players fit enough for Saturday?
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As discussed last night, would it be that outlandish to suggesting playing reeves behind rankine? He's hardworking enough. Or using rankine on the right hand side as a wide attacking option
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Rankine is exactly what Reeves needs. He's not tall enough to compete in the air. He scored last night because he was unmarked. Most times he won't win a competition in the air but Rankine would.
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Can I also spare a few words for Jordan Burrow - I thought he was absolutely magnificent last night, he took the chances he had. A goal scoring target man, they'll struggle to keep hold of him.
You can use all the words I used for most of last season when his face didn't seem to fit at Lincoln and all the ones I used in the summer urging us to try and sign him
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I don't think you can criticise Clee's work rate. It's been superb for four years. I think it's more not being fit enough to do so at the minute. Densmore too.
He was also told to do no exercise whatsoever for a period which would've been the problem.
Whether he could've laid off the crisps a bit I dunno :-X
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Playing Reeves behind Rankine won't imo work. Reevesy is a poacher pure and simple, so I do not see him playing deeper. Rankine is a top pro, no doubt about that, but I don't think he has the energy levels to play out wide. I'd love to see them complementing each others game in and around the box, but the lack of width on the right and the lack of a box to box central midfielder comfortable on the ball, would leave the defence horribly exposed, as has been seen time and time again. I don't know what the answer is, but I doubt it's playing Reeves AND Rankine up tops.
Having said all that, I think we'll lose anyway on Saturday, so I guess it's worth a try.
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As discussed last night, would it be that outlandish to suggesting playing reeves behind rankine? He's hardworking enough. Or using rankine on the right hand side as a wide attacking option
[I just think we are better with three midfield, I even worry about Lawrie as the attacking mid because he doesn't work back and gives a lot of free kicks away, but without Clee or Crowther we need Lawrie central to create things. When we play with three central and two high wide forwards we still need the forwards to trek back and that's not Rankine's game and would be a waste. I just don't think we can play 4-4-2 therefore for me it's either Reeves or Rankine with Lawrie as the attacking mid. I just feel Rankine keeps hold of it better to allow the wide men to catch up with play. However Reeves scores, tough one but my main concern is creativity in the team. When Clee went off last night we then relied on our left back, obviously I am aware he was playing higher but we need a centre mid who creates and scores with ball winners like Richman and Moult around him. As I've said many times before a Steve Conners sort of player.]
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Why doesn't lee put crowther on the right with clee on the left and they could swap the odd time aswell that would get the defender's thinking
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When both are fit that would be the logical thing to do
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When both are fit that would be the logical thing to do
Logic ? That'd be a novelty.....and since neither of them, or Rankine, is fit, we need to work out Plan C a bit sharpish.
Waddya mean, there's no Plan B......