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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on August 30, 2015, 08:44:14 AM
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Can I just start by saying I thought yesterday's performance against Tranmere was outstanding, bar a 30 second switch off after the substitution that led to their goal we were excellent from 1-11 for 90 mins, and deservedly took 3 points.
On to tomorrow, we must break our haig avenue hoodoo. To build on yesterday and take 3 points at southport would be an excellent return from the weekend. Southport had two players red carded yesterday and this is their worst start for 40 years. Listening to the post match podcast, Paul carden sounds a beaten man. Let's make sure we travel in big numbers and get behind the lads. Tomorrow is the day to get our firsts points of the season on the road
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Need to get an early lead. The lads were running on empty in the last 10 and understandably so. I'm sure the last time I saw us win at Southport was the same BH weekend 94-95. There might have been one in the 00's somewhere but we seem to always lose there, no better chance than tomorrow and yesterday's great performance
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Need to build on yesterday , would be typical if we lose to a team some of their fans are saying are pretty poor.
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Hopefully we wont revert to last season's habit of beating the top sides and losing to those below us.
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Hope it's not gale force winds like last year ... huge game .. up the reds
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It will be a test, for the first time this season we will play a team that wont play possession football, might be time to play 442 as our style so far as counter attacking is deigned to neutralise the possesion threat. Also they will be seeing it as a key fixture to start their campaign
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No Brodie to fall down in last minute and win free kick this time .
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Speaking to several Southport fans this morning, their club is in disarray right now. They are expecting to lose to us and be searching for a new manager tomorrow evening. Absolutely perfect conditions for us to lose! Now, had they been top and unbeaten, I'd have fancied our chances. Having said that, we've never had a better chance to beat them at their place.
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If Ranks plays anywhere near as well as yesterday, this should be a given. They're short a centre back and a defensive midfielder, and it's unthinkable that we concede a goal to a team who've only got one goal all season.
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It will be a test, for the first time this season we will play a team that wont play possession football, might be time to play 442 as our style so far as counter attacking is deigned to neutralise the possesion threat. Also they will be seeing it as a key fixture to start their campaign
with them being at home they will still probably have more possession as for not playing the same system I'm not sure who would be dropped
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Need to get an early lead. The lads were running on empty in the last 10 and understandably so. I'm sure the last time I saw us win at Southport was the same BH weekend 94-95. There might have been one in the 00's somewhere but we seem to always lose there, no better chance than tomorrow and yesterday's great performance
We've not won at Haig Avenue since a 3-1 victory there on Saturday, 14th December 1996, when the quasi-legendary Danny McGoona made his Alty debut.
The Robins' goalscorers on that afternoon were Neil Doherty, Niell Hardy and Paul Cain (he of the infamous chip pan incident).
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Need to get an early lead. The lads were running on empty in the last 10 and understandably so. I'm sure the last time I saw us win at Southport was the same BH weekend 94-95. There might have been one in the 00's somewhere but we seem to always lose there, no better chance than tomorrow and yesterday's great performance
We've not won at Haig Avenue since a 3-1 victory there on Saturday, 14th December 1996, when the quasi-legendary Danny McGoona made his Alty debut.
The Robins' goalscorers on that afternoon were Neil Doherty, Niell Hardy and Paul Cain (he of the infamous chip pan incident).
That was our third successive win there. The previous season 2-1 with Andy Allan and Mick Carmody scoring? Or was the first an og?
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I was worried that at Dover we would be tired after Grimsby...and it would appear our lacklustre performance at the Crabble was due to weariness.
We have less time to recover for Haig Avenue and little prospect of squad rotation.
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I was worried that at Dover we would be tired after Grimsby...and it would appear our lacklustre performance at the Crabble was due to weariness.
We have less time to recover for Haig Avenue and little prospect of squad rotation.
This is my main worry about tomorrow's game. The squad will have to be as per Sat - assuming no further knocks, in which case Swift would be the only alternative available - & Reeves for Bowerman would be the only realistic 'rotation'. Hope Scouseport are at least as tired after their trip down the longest cul-de-sac in the world as we are after that heroic performance against Tranmere! Something's got to give - they have 0 points at home so far & we have 0 away; let's hope we're the happy ones in 23 hours' time!
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Need to get an early lead. The lads were running on empty in the last 10 and understandably so. I'm sure the last time I saw us win at Southport was the same BH weekend 94-95. There might have been one in the 00's somewhere but we seem to always lose there, no better chance than tomorrow and yesterday's great performance
We've not won at Haig Avenue since a 3-1 victory there on Saturday, 14th December 1996, when the quasi-legendary Danny McGoona made his Alty debut.
The Robins' goalscorers on that afternoon were Neil Doherty, Niell Hardy and Paul Cain (he of the infamous chip pan incident).
That was our third successive win there. The previous season 2-1 with Andy Allan and Mick Carmody scoring? Or was the first an og?
The first was definitely an own goal, possibly credited to Southport full back Derek Ward if I remember correctly.
Andy Allan scored in a 3-0 win at home to Morecambe the following week.
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I was worried that at Dover we would be tired after Grimsby...and it would appear our lacklustre performance at the Crabble was due to weariness.
We have less time to recover for Haig Avenue and little prospect of squad rotation.
i think the problem at Dover was more down to the heat both sides looked tired but agree 2 wins in 3 days is a big ask
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We never win when exspected however to day is the tails of the unexpected q the music 2nill
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Are the 2 players that were sent off on Saturday suspended for today or does the ban only kick in next Saturday?
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Are the 2 players that were sent off on Saturday suspended for today or does the ban only kick in next Saturday?
Banned for today.
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Last Year I got sun burnt, this year it's going to be trench foot!
Never an easy when its the 2nd game in 3 days, especially with the injury ravaged squad we've got. Still think we can go and win. Score first and their heads will go.
Would like to see Rankine, Reeves and Bowerman play as a front 3
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Deasey
Densmore
Leather
Moult
Griffin
Sinnott
Richman
Crowther
Bowerman
Lawrie
Reeves
Bench
Rankine
Heathcote
O'keefe
Griffiths
Parry
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Deasey
Densmore
Leather
Moult
Griffin
Sinnott
Richman
Crowther
Bowerman
Lawrie
Reeves
Bench
Rankine
Heathcote
O'keefe
Griffiths
Parry
Surprised that Parry is on the bench. I guess fitness may be a concern if he hasn't had many games.
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Definite attacking intent !
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Oh s*it Richman injured, massive loss. Parry will be sore after Saturday as he won't ber match fit so I understand that
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0-2 down already normal service resumes !😠
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This is the same referee who was absolute sh*te against Barnet last season . Today he hasn't even reached THAT deplorable standard.
Losing Richman when Moult is already playing centre half has had the effect of totally emasculating our midfield. We've been poor, but we've not had an ounce of luck.
Hopefully we'll put Rankine on and go at them.
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Richman going off and the worst performance by a man in black since the SS were about killed it. When does the loan market close again?.... Our lack of depth is frightening, got lucky with it last year, need to get on the phone to some unattached lads tonight. Thankfully southport will take one of the relegation berths
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Terrible performance, but totally unsurprising as we always play poorly at Southport. Complete opposite to Saturday. Yes, we weren't helped by a poor refereing display or richman going off early but the decision to "rest" rankine was shocking. Been our best player this season and took over an hour to get him on the field when it was obvious at half time that things needed changing. O'Keefe and Sinnott are too lightweight in the centre of the park and Reeves was barely in the game. One last thing, if Griffith can't get a game today in that shambles of a team then he needs releasing. Looks like this years of Steven Gillespie.
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Agree completely with all the posts re. the game today. It reminded me a bit of the Nuneaton away match last year. We knew they were down and they also knew they were down - that's where Southport are. Referees are given a rough ride a lot of the time, but Mr Coy deserves the abuse he gets - he needs to give officiating up as a bad job. Having said that, neither the second nor the third goals were down to him. Does anybody know why Lee decided to play only one centre half? He actually had a chance to put that right when Si got injured, but brought on the completely ineffective O'Keefe. I wonder when it will click with Lee that Reeves and Bowerman will never work - much too similar (Reeves was one of those players along with Lawrie, who I actually forgot was playing today). Finally, Jordan Sinnott. Oh dear, oh dear. I seriously challenge any of those who make excuses for him to come up with any today. Jake did his best out of position. Deasy didn't do much wrong (but should have been sent off) and Michael did what he could, despite being persistently assaulted by two defenders and being booked for getting fouled!!! In short, we were crap, they were crap, the game was crap and the officials were crap.
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I believe Rankine was stiff after Saturday, as soon as Richman went off moult should have been pushed into the middle and Heathcote bought on. And if parry is injured he's injured, get a reserve/youth player on the bench. I appreciate we've a small squad, but to fill the bench with people with no chance of playing is a farce. We need to wise up and get a few more on duel registration if we can't afford to sign any outright. And on another note, players are very very well looked after here, part time or not, if they aren't pulling their weight get them in the reserves or out on loan to get fit/focussed, we can't carry passengers with such a small squad.
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Correct. So how many of our 'subs' had no chance of playing today then? You can't go into games with only 13 players, surely?
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If parry had any chance of playing he would have done, and fully fit we would have beaten southport with ease, this is the key issue though. we've not got the depth. And whilst we haven't got the depth, get more on duel registration,young eager lads out to prove their worth are better than crocks on the bench, and thank the Lord that dickhead Coy was as bad for both sides or we would have played 30 mins with ten men and an outfield player in net. These reserves lads might not be up to it, but any keeper is better than no keeper
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Where to start. Agree Heathcote should have come when Richman went off. Having said that I thought O'keefe did ok.
When it's bare bones you need players to step up and too few did. Griffin and Bowerman we're appalling. As was Crowther buts thats a given.
Sinnott was okay for 45mins then disappeared. Reeves had no service but looks completely out of sorts. No ideas why Rankine was rested.
All in all another sh*te day out at scouseport.
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Wasn't a penalty, was.a foul outside the box, and that gave them the lift. Second goal no trackers with the lad who basically ran into the box and stopped before smashing it home. Third a soft one after a fantastic save from Deasy.
Im astonished the ref didn't actually send Deasy off but a yellow was the right decision, there was no obvious goal scoring opportunity going to arise.
Griffin, poor game, but not helped by Bowerman not tracking back. The two Southport lads ripped him inside out time and time again first half, should've been doubling up on them.
Crowther - did he play?
Sinnott - too many poor balls
Leather - looks a tad tired
Moult - better than most
O Keefe - very lightweight, too defensive.
Lawrie - poor but at least he tried to have a go with a few shots
Reeves - well off the pace
Rankine - should've come on sooner, had their centre backs rattled
Bowerman - did same thing about 6 times with his right foot
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Was talking to Ian Senior before kick off , according to him Ranks was feeling stiff , that's why not on at start , playing Moult at centre back odd when u have Heathcoat available.
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Wasn't a penalty, was.a foul outside the box, and that gave them the lift. Second goal no trackers with the lad who basically ran into the box and stopped before smashing it home. Third a soft one after a fantastic save from Deasy.
Im astonished the ref didn't actually send Deasy off but a yellow was the right decision, there was no obvious goal scoring opportunity going to arise.
Griffin, poor game, but not helped by Bowerman not tracking back. The two Southport lads ripped him inside out time and time again first half, should've been doubling up on them.
Crowther - did he play?
Sinnott - too many poor balls
Leather - looks a tad tired
Moult - better than most
O Keefe - very lightweight, too defensive.
Lawrie - poor but at least he tried to have a go with a few shots
Reeves - well off the pace
Rankine - should've come on sooner, had their centre backs rattled
Bowerman - did same thing about 6 times with his right foot
Crowther never does play will be way off match fitness needs game time to get match fit then see how he does
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Diabolical - utter tripe. We were out-muscled in every 50 50 ball. The players looked uninterested and disorganised. Yes we had a terrible ref but heads went down too easily. I can't understand why Rankine didn't start. Nothing worked today. I thought my day couldn't get any worse after wasting £12 on entry to the Southport town and country fayre to watch a goat race and a "dancing" Shetland pony (£3 for 10 minutes on a bouncy castle) - how wrong I was.
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Overall i think when everybody is fit we have a very strong starting squad but when it comes to options off the bench we have nothing. We have players which are simply not good enough namely okeefe and crowther. Although bowerman has scored the goals he has this season i dont think he is good enough. The goals he has scored i would have expected any player to have scored them. Maybe if he spent more time concentrating on the game rather than pulling his shorts up his legs and getting his thighs out then he would stand a better chance of creating more and getting more involved. I still have mixed opinions regarding sinnott as he can play brilliant at times and then other times very frustrating. I believe he has a place in this squad but we really need to offload a couple of players and make 2/3 signings i order to strengthen the squad to be what is needed at this level
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Presume all the new players have been put on contract so there is no way we can ship any of them out, unless we pay their contracts up. I assume we haven't the money for that so we're stuck with them for all season! When you look at the players Stockport have signed during the summer, it just goes to show how limited our management's scouting methods and contacts are. Why on earth Griffith has been signed when all he can manage is a few jogs along the touch line every now and again.
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I'm going to pretend the game never took place, its the easiest way to forget.
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I'm going to pretend the game never took place, its the easiest way to forget.
I like the way you think.
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What is so frustrating is that man for man,this team should be able to play 4-4-2. For some reason, they can't. Yes, very unfortunate that it shouldn't have been a penalty but a free kick,and the 1st goal was always going to be vital. But why was the player allowed to advance so far, and why did we ball watch for the 2nd goal. I had a feeling that Rankine would be on the bench, but replacing him with Reeves shouldn't be judged as a bad choice,but saying that I think he hasn't been the same Reeves since after the Guiseley game. Today he seemed to let the game pass him by.
So after today, watch us be weird again and get 7 points against 3 promotion contenders!!!
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Players out of position everywhere due to injuries. We were a shambles today. Griffin was exposed time and time again on the left as left mid did no tracking back, assume that was Bowerman, who is a forward? Moult was dragged all over the place and didnt look like he knew where to go. Sinnott was playing with his eyes shut, we had no bite in midfield, nothing upfront, nothing creative. The ref was bloody aweful and it we were getting a little wet hehehe.
We certainly missed all our injured players and we had a patch work team, many of which by all accounts put in a right shift on Saturday.
With our first team we would have wiped the floor with Southport, as it was, we had no idea.
Unfortunately whilst we were sh*te, we cant really blame the team on this occasion, ir was simply a patchwork side.
We need reinforcements but not sure we will find any of any credability.
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With our growing injury list, the team was always going to struggle today, especially at a venue where we seem to struggle anyway. I was stood in line with the 18 yard line and confirm the tackle was before the line, but Griff should not have tackled from behind.
Losing simon from 3 minutes in was disastrous.
At that point, Sam should have come on and Jake moved to midfield. If Sam was never to be used then why have him on the bench.
With injuries as they are, I hope we can get a few loans in by the weekend.
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What is so frustrating is that man for man,this team should be able to play 4-4-2. For some reason, they can't. Yes, very unfortunate that it shouldn't have been a penalty but a free kick,and the 1st goal was always going to be vital. But why was the player allowed to advance so far, and why did we ball watch for the 2nd goal. I had a feeling that Rankine would be on the bench, but replacing him with Reeves shouldn't be judged as a bad choice,but saying that I think he hasn't been the same Reeves since after the Guiseley game. Today he seemed to let the game pass him by.
So after today, watch us be weird again and get 7 points against 3 promotion contenders!!!
why should we able to play 4 4 2 Barcelona Real Madrid Man city and Chelsea don't play it
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But most teams in our league play 442 Jimmy. We do actually have the 4 defenders and the 2 strikers to make it possible (when everybody is fit), but we lack mobility in midfield, as neither Lawrie or Sinnott are agile enough to link the midfield to the attack. If we were to go out tomorrow and get a nippy right sided midfielder and a better box to box player than the ineffective O'Keefe, we would probably be challenging for a play off place. It is fine margins in this league and it is frustrating to be so close and yet so far away. At the moment, the best we can hope for is for some of our injured players to return sooner than expected so we can get enough points to stay up. Or failing that, a successful foray into the loan market.
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So if most teams in the league play it which I'm not convinced they do anyway why not have the extra man in midfield if you play a better team like for like and most in the league are better than us the odds are we will lose richman and moult work very hard you can't fault them but niether have the culture to play in a 2 man midfield though
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One third of the squad, Sinnott,Lawrie,Bowerman,Crowther,Griffith and O' Keefe, are just not good enough for this league. >:( >:(
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That's a bit harsh on Bowerman mate.Yes, he was awful yesterday, but you don't score the goals he has in recent matches by fluke. I completely agree with you on the others though. Southport played Bishop and Almond as theirfront two yesterday and in the only other match I've seen this season, Guiseley also played a front two.
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One third of the squad, Sinnott,Lawrie,Bowerman,Crowther,Griffith and O Keefe, are just not good enough for this league. >:( >:(
lawrie is good enough just inconsistent bowerman scored 3 already I have no idea how good Griffiths and okeefe are yet
And what I've seen of the other 2 they are not good enough
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Thought sinnott did well first half, and Lawrie is clearly good enough, just not consistent. I think aside from a weakened side, our heads dropped at continually being on the end of some atrocious refereeing decisions. The booking of Rankine for being clamoured by two defenders and standing in the way of the ball when the whole ground knew where it was heading being just two of the highlights. It's easy enough to say we should be mentally stronger than that but we really were on the end of some terrible decisions. The club should request if possible to never be officiated by Mr Coy again, it's the same rubbish Every time we have him. His interpretation of the game is frankly odd. I Console myself slightly with the fact that we would wipe the floor with southport at full strength, but our lack of depth is a real worry. And looking at fitness and sharpness, anyone not in the squad needs to be put in the reserves and get some game time, too many were ring rusty yesterday, understandable but not ideal. Get them game time. And never let us see jake moult start at centre back again, it's ok for ten mins in an emergency but he's too bigger miss in midfield and simply not a centre back. If we are short on numbers this week, get some of the reserves training with us through the week.
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That's a bit harsh on Bowerman mate.Yes, he was awful yesterday, but you don't score the goals he has in recent matches by fluke. I completely agree with you on the others though. Southport played Bishop and Almond as theirfront two yesterday and in the only other match I've seen this season, Guiseley also played a front two.
southport will get relegated so I wouldn't be in a hurry to play the same system and besides if we carried on playing 4 4 2 last season we would've gone down and if we didn't play it at all probably would've finished about twelve so why would you want to play it
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We were without Coburn, Havern, Marshall, Clee, Parry and Rankine yesterday; and then Richman was added to that list. Any team would be seriously weakened by the loss of those players. But truth be told even with a full squad we are light in midfield. Any one of Lawrie, Sinnott O'Keefe or Crowther could survive and add value in a 4 man midfield of (say) Richman, Moult and Clee; or a 5 with the addition of Bowerman. However 2 of them is one too many, particularly if off form. And 3 of them weakens us further. As for all 4...
Griffith on paper is the ideal "strong man " addition. And so far we have only seen him on paper. If he can become the player he is supposed to be, our problems will diminish significantly.
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We need to get him in the reserves and get him match fit then
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Yesterday was rather as I feared - we had used up so much energy & effort v Tranmere that there was little or nothing left for Southport. Once the team selection was known it was clear there were going to be problems anyway (by the way, as Parry clearly wasn't fit enough to act as a sub why bother naming him? How late was his cry-off?) & Richman's failure to survive his first tackle - the knock he took on Saturday was clearly more serious than it seemed at the time - meant those problems were likely to be insuperable. However, that doesn't excuse the performances of O'Keefe (three headers without result & otherwise no positive contribution), Crowther (nothing on which to comment), Reeves (ring-rusty in the extreme) & Lawrie (as frustrating as ever). Sinnott tried hard to be the constructive playmaker in the first half in particular but at times he is dreadfully slow & faded out after the interval. Bowerman needs to get his head up when he has the ball & take note of where his team-mates are. The ref was eccentric, to put it kindly - even from the seated area it was clear to the naked eye that Griffin (who was once again exposed by the lack of any cover from left midfield) got the ball in the penalty incident - but to be honest Rankine should have realised that he was looking for minor nudges to penalise & avoided use of arms in challenges. All in all it was a pretty bad day at the office; God knows what the line-up will be on Saturday, so forecasting that game will be a pointless exercise until 2.30 pm on the day at least. I'll be there, hoping for the best, but not expecting anything.