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Title: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 25, 2015, 08:10:20 AM
Looks like we are going to be very thin on the ground, the loss of so many players at one time is very unfortunate. Hopefully griff and Stuart only went off as a precaution. Have we any update on any of the injuries?

Richie has said that catering will be available on all four sides of the ground on Saturday, and also their will be a cake sale and bucket collection for the two players who both broke a leg in action last Tuesday. Donation buckets will also be with programme sellers.

Tranmere indicate they've sold around 1,200 tickets so far if social media is to be believed, let's hope we have a decent home turn out.

Not sure what 11 we will play if everyone is still injured, probably clee left back with crowther in front of him.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: robininstockport on August 25, 2015, 09:35:31 AM
Should hear more after tonight's training session
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on August 25, 2015, 09:50:34 AM
Looks like we are going to be very thin on the ground, the loss of so many players at one time is very unfortunate. Hopefully griff and Stuart only went off as a precaution. Have we any update on any of the injuries?

Richie has said that catering will be available on all four sides of the ground on Saturday, and also their will be a cake sale and bucket collection for the two players who both broke a leg in action last Tuesday. Donation buckets will also be with programme sellers.

Tranmere indicate they've sold around 1,200 tickets so far if social media is to be believed, let's hope we have a decent home turn out.

Not sure what 11 we will play if everyone is still injured, probably clee left back with crowther in front of him.
stuart didn't go of as a precaution as he clearly limped off and was helped off
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: distancetraveller on August 25, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
Hope we can get cover for the recent injured players.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Hale Alty on August 25, 2015, 12:40:38 PM
Clee tp play left full back probably.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: ShropshireAlty on August 25, 2015, 01:59:13 PM
So wanted to go to this one but we're on holiday in the USA so will miss this, Southport and Cheltenham :(.

Let's hope Copburn and Griffin are ok to play as I'm hoping we'll come out of the match with a very good result.

Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 26, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
.......................Deasey
Densmore...Parry....Leather.....Griffin
Sinnott........Richman...Moult...
..................Bowerman...
.................Reeves Rankine
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on August 26, 2015, 09:59:15 AM
Is griffin ok
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Darren on August 26, 2015, 09:59:35 AM
.......................Deasey
Densmore...Parry....Leather.....Griffin
Sinnott........Richman...Moult...
..................Bowerman...
.................Reeves Rankine

Subs George, Tols, Richie, Foz and Grahame R  ;D
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 26, 2015, 10:48:35 AM
Is griffin ok

There was mixed injury news among Alty's outfield players. Nicky Clee is being assessed by medical staff after a groin problem sustained at Witton in pre-season flared up again at Dover, but left-back Adam Griffin is hopeful of being passed fit for Saturday. Griffin jarred his back at Dover, but the injury has shown signs of settling down over the past 24 hours.

Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 27, 2015, 09:18:42 AM
If griffin and clee don't pass fitness tests who will we put at left back or will we have to employ three centre backs including one makeshift one?
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: taxi Phil on August 27, 2015, 09:30:54 AM
If griffin and clee don't pass fitness tests who will we put at left back or will we have to employ three centre backs including one makeshift one?

Back three of Leather Parry and Moult with Densmore right midfield and possibly O'Keele on the left ?

And if we can't justify fitting Griffith in somewhere it should be bye-bye time.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: MarpleAlty on August 27, 2015, 10:51:36 AM
If griffin and clee don't pass fitness tests who will we put at left back or will we have to employ three centre backs including one makeshift one?

Back three of Leather Parry and Moult with Densmore right midfield and possibly O'Keele on the left ?

And if we can't justify fitting Griffith in somewhere it should be bye-bye time.

I agree re: Griffith - we can't possibly afford passengers, especially given how thin the squad is already.

If we're sticking with 4-5-1, and assuming Griff is OK but Nicky isn't, surely the best policy would be to bring O'Keefe into a 3-man centre midfield alongside Richman and Moult, with Crowther coming back in from the cold and pushing up in the wide areas with Bowerman, with Damian up front?

If Crowther is that much out of favour, sod it - he can play his son again.  He's clearly going to anyway.

Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 27, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
Crowther should be playing left wing it's his chance to make the position his own, and Saturday might just be his sort of game
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: MarpleAlty on August 27, 2015, 11:08:58 AM
Crowther should be playing left wing it's his chance to make the position his own, and Saturday might just be his sort of game

Completely agree. With ongoing doubts about Nicky's 46-game fitness, he should really be staking his claim by now.

If O'Keefe gets properly up to speed as well, I'd actually quite like the look of that team.  It's just a shame one of Reevesy/Rankine would have to miss out.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 27, 2015, 11:50:48 AM
The loan window is looming also. Hopefully we can bring a couple in by weekend should others not look like making it tonight. And if we do bring anyone in, keep it underwraps until kickoff, we need any advantage we can this weekend. More worried about southport than Tranmere, but that's for another thread.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: ManagementGuru on August 27, 2015, 11:59:13 AM
Two thoughts:

Griffith - if he is simply short of match fitness, stick him in the reserves for a couple of games.  else there is no point in having a reserve team.  we should have done this with Gillespie last season - knocking in a couple of goals against Cuddington Working Mans Club might have helped his confidence.  I say reserves rather than loan because our squad is too small to be loaning people out

Midfield - I think our problem is that we cannot afford to have both Lawrie and Sinnott in midfield if either one of them is below par.  And for me Sinnott has been better than Lawrie this season.  I would quite like to see Reeves and Rankine up top in a 4-4-1-1 system, rather than Rankine and Lawrie, or Rankine and Bowerman (with Lawrie on the left)
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on August 27, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
I don't think the reserve team plays at anywhere near the level required for first team players to gain any real benefit from it. A loan to a Conf North or even Evostik Premier club would be of far greater use.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: MarpleAlty on August 27, 2015, 12:10:08 PM
Two thoughts:

Griffith - if he is simply short of match fitness, stick him in the reserves for a couple of games.  else there is no point in having a reserve team.  we should have done this with Gillespie last season - knocking in a couple of goals against Cuddington Working Mans Club might have helped his confidence.  I say reserves rather than loan because our squad is too small to be loaning people out

Midfield - I think our problem is that we cannot afford to have both Lawrie and Sinnott in midfield if either one of them is below par.  And for me Sinnott has been better than Lawrie this season.  I would quite like to see Reeves and Rankine up top in a 4-4-1-1 system, rather than Rankine and Lawrie, or Rankine and Bowerman (with Lawrie on the left)

And on the second point, unfortunately I don't think we can play both Reeves AND Rankine, as both would have to play up the very top - and we have already established this season that we still can't get away with that.

As the problem has always been the risk of being overrun in midfield, I think 3 conventional CMs (i.e. neither Lawrie nor Sinnott) should solve this, and allow Bowerman and A.N.Other (either of the aforementioned or Crowther) to get on and support Reevesy/Rankine.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 27, 2015, 12:51:06 PM
Whilst the level of reserves might not be anywhere near conference level, in terms of match fitness/sharpness they'd be better playing in that than sitting in the stand. It shouldn't be seen as a smite, rather a means to an end. The reserves should be used for those not in the squad. Not every player not involved every week, but if people are short on match time, 90 mins against anyone is far more beneficial than sitting in the stand. If anyone has not had a proper preseason or is not sharp due to no game time, then get them in, I'd sooner be playing against Malpas than going in a coach to Dover for nothing
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: ManagementGuru on August 27, 2015, 01:29:40 PM
Figgy - you put it so much better than me.  If he is close to fitness, he will only need a couple of games.  And games at any level are better than training or indeed an overnight trip to Dover.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on August 27, 2015, 01:44:27 PM
Agree
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: distancetraveller on August 27, 2015, 07:29:18 PM
Yep get em in the reserves for a workout regardless of the standard...
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 28, 2015, 11:36:26 AM
So after last nights injury update, how does everyone think we'll line up tomorrow? Crowther or Lawrie on the left? 5 across the Middle? 4-4-2?
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on August 28, 2015, 11:56:26 AM
Looks like Tranmere have a section of the popular side which is fair enough for such numbers, don't mind in circumstances like this. Maybe we should all just stay in the golf road end tomorrow rather than hamper the view of those stand in the middle of the pop side normally as it'll be congested with TV stuff with BT being in attendance also. Don't mind not having the full terrace in circumstances like tomorrow

http://mobile.tranmererovers.co.uk/news/article/visitors-guide-to-altrincham-2652661.aspx
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: robininstockport on August 28, 2015, 12:35:33 PM
Yes I agree stay in Golf Road stand.

As for team,  4-5-1.  Lawrie over Crowther but don't know who I put the 1.

Looking forward to it.  Hope the Wainwrights doesn't run out too early
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on August 28, 2015, 12:51:03 PM
Lawrie and crowther shouldn't be competing for the same place Lawrie should play behind forward number 10 role and crowther a winger that's not to say either should play my point is Lawrie isn't a winger
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Randy Konk on August 28, 2015, 01:21:47 PM
So after last nights injury update, how does everyone think we'll line up tomorrow? Crowther or Lawrie on the left? 5 across the Middle? 4-4-2?

In the 3 games I've been to this season, James Lawrie hasn't done enough to warrant a place in the team in my opinion. With that in mind, I'd like to see Crowther given a chance.

Based on the amount of chances we haven't created so far this season, I'd like to see us set up to stifle them and hopefully get a draw. Always a dangerous way to approach a game but I can't see us winning despite Tranmere's last result...

This kind of pessimism is normally out of character for me but I've found the performances thus far to be particularly worrying in terms of us creating chances / scoring goals. Exception being Bowermans goal at Dover which was excellent...
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: ManagementGuru on August 28, 2015, 01:50:00 PM

Coburn

Densmore Leather Parry Griffin

Sinnott Moult Richman Crowther

Bowerman

Rankine or Reeves

Bench: Lawrie, Clee, O'Keefe, Reeves or Rankine, Ollernenshaw

Subs will probably be Reeves for Rankine (or vice versa), Lawrie for Sinnott or Crowther (Bowerman moves to left and Lawrie behind forward if Crowther off), O'Keefe for Moult or Richman if tired
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: roytonmike on August 28, 2015, 02:23:36 PM
I'm assuming Clee won't be available but Griffin might be (based on what has appeared on the main website). My suggested line-up would be
Deasy
Densmore-Leather-Parry-Griffin
Sinnott-Richman-Moult-Crowther
Lawrie
Rankine
Subs - O'Keefe, Reeves, Bowerman, Griffith; assuming no other seniors are available Heathcote or Swift to make up the numbers (or come on for experience when we're three up with two minutes to go ...)
I can see us putting in the same kind of determined performance as the last home game - in which case who knows what might happen - but to be honest any points we might get out of it would be pure bonus, & it will be hard to pick ourselves up physically for Monday at Scouseport, as squad rotation won't really be an option.
Attendance 2000+, so gate receipts very respectable!
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on August 28, 2015, 02:48:45 PM
 Maybe crowther should have a go we are a team who have scored 3 goals in 5 matches 1 of them wasn't over the line so we are not creating much surely he can't create much less
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jenga on August 28, 2015, 04:20:51 PM
I expect a 4-5-1 formation with two defensive central midfielders to protect the back 4 and keeper.

Rankine will be the 1, and he will be brought back for corners to help in the air from aerial bombardment.

Going to be tough.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: taxi Phil on August 28, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
No disrespect to Tranmere, but.....

They've spent most of the last 90 years in the lower reaches of the League.

They had a spell of 10 seasons in what's now the Championship without ever seriously looking likely to reach the Premier League.

They've slipped since then and have just endured consecutive relegation.

Remind anyone of another club from a town on the banks of the Mersey ? Yes.....they're Stockport County with a Scouse accent !

In my book, we've already beaten a bigger club this season in Grimsby Town.  Injury crisis or not, I don't believe we have an awful lot to fear tomorrow - and I'm our resident pessimist !
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: wayno on August 28, 2015, 09:32:12 PM
Nil nil so far
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on August 28, 2015, 10:14:44 PM
No disrespect to Tranmere, but.....

They've spent most of the last 90 years in the lower reaches of the League.

They had a spell of 10 seasons in what's now the Championship without ever seriously looking likely to reach the Premier League.

They've slipped since then and have just endured consecutive relegation.

Remind anyone of another club from a town on the banks of the Mersey ? Yes.....they're Stockport County with a Scouse accent !

In my book, we've already beaten a bigger club this season in Grimsby Town.  Injury crisis or not, I don't believe we have an awful lot to fear tomorrow - and I'm our resident pessimist !
stockport were in much worse shape when we played them but you are right Grimsby bigger club I don't think we will win because I don't think we are playing well though I wouldn't be amazed if we did
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: roytonmike on August 29, 2015, 10:05:02 AM
Nicky Clee confirmed unavailable today due to injury.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: eightiesrobin on August 29, 2015, 10:12:17 AM
Nicky Clee confirmed unavailable today due to injury.

"Hopefully" back in a "few weeks". That's unfortunate.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: taxi Phil on August 29, 2015, 06:52:07 PM
No disrespect to Tranmere, but.....

They've spent most of the last 90 years in the lower reaches of the League.

They had a spell of 10 seasons in what's now the Championship without ever seriously looking likely to reach the Premier League.

They've slipped since then and have just endured consecutive relegation.

Remind anyone of another club from a town on the banks of the Mersey ? Yes.....they're Stockport County with a Scouse accent !

In my book, we've already beaten a bigger club this season in Grimsby Town.  Injury crisis or not, I don't believe we have an awful lot to fear tomorrow - and I'm our resident pessimist !
stockport were in much worse shape when we played them but you are right Grimsby bigger club I don't think we will win because I don't think we are playing well though I wouldn't be amazed if we did

Not amazed then Jimmy.....me neither.
Title: Re: Tranmere - MATCH THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on August 30, 2015, 02:03:18 AM
I'm not amazed Phil the games I've seen before yesterday I thought we were poor so I wouldn't back them against anyone but that was a very good display