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Title: Team for Saturday
Post by: robininstockport on July 30, 2015, 09:41:47 AM
Time to put the best 11 out and get formation he wants against FGR.

                           Coburn

Densmore Havern Marshall  Griffin
 
         Richman   Mouukt   Cleve

                          Lawrie

                Reeves   Rankine



Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: brian1925 on July 30, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
While I agree that represents our best 11, I think FGR would exploit our horribly exposed midfield if we play two up front.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 30, 2015, 12:55:35 PM
100% agree with both comments.

I'd like to see him starting with that and being brave enough to react if necessary after half an hour (the obvious thing being sacrificing Rankine for Griffith).

We've got one last chance to establish whether we can get away with playing 2 up front - I hope Lee uses it and then adjusts for the start of the season accordingly.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on July 30, 2015, 01:10:48 PM
It looks a decent enough side on paper but like Brian said may get exposed I'd also play leather as unlike most still believe he is are best centre half but I haven't seen pre season so I maybe wrong
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 30, 2015, 01:40:35 PM
The team has a good balance with Havern and Marshall, and the partnership largely worked well last year - no need to change it, the least of our worries.

The hard thing is that you can't drop Reeves, and I think Rankine has done enough in pre-season to merit a start as well.

Might be worth mentioning we played 2 up front v Bristol Rovers (H) early doors and outplayed them in all areas - clutching at straws maybe...!

I'm pretty sure we'll be playing 1 up front come the start of the season, and (begrudgingly) rightly so.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on July 30, 2015, 02:21:03 PM
I think having 2 centre halfs who are not great on the ball is not the best idea and towards the end of the season teams sussed us out and played on the floor at the end of the season agree it's not are biggest problem however only 5 teams conceded more goals granted that included leather aswell
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: ASMO on July 30, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
Leather in for masher , sorry to say Tom looks a little overweight at moment , and I think overall Scott is a better player.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: taxi Phil on July 30, 2015, 09:14:58 PM
I'd go with the team at the start of the thread with one exception. You must all promise not to laugh.

I'd play Jordan Sinnott in place of Nicky Clee and leave the overlapping to our full backs.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on July 30, 2015, 09:19:44 PM
Well he must be much improved as clee is are most creative player without clee there is normally little or no creativity
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: ASMO on July 30, 2015, 10:01:43 PM
Ha ha ha ha he he he , sorry couldn't help myself .
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: taxi Phil on July 31, 2015, 01:04:23 AM
Ha ha ha ha he he he , sorry couldn't help myself .

There's always one.....I may be a lunatic, then again I COULD be a visionary.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jezza on July 31, 2015, 07:06:58 AM
so that's our best XI from last season with rankine in for perry...... :-\
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Bath Alty on July 31, 2015, 06:12:54 PM
Ha ha ha ha he he he , sorry couldn't help myself .

There's always one.....I may be a lunatic, then again I COULD be a visionary.

If that's the state of your vision ...should have gone to specsavers .....and I'm never getting in your cab!
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 31, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
I think Sinnott has looked half decent on both occasions in pre season that we've employed him on the right hand side of the pitch, both against Wigan and against Trafford. He'll never get praise at any point even if it's at detriment to the team because the dye has been cast. He's no central midfielder, and I hope we don't seen him there again, but not had a problem with him in a right hand berth so far.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: GB Alty on July 31, 2015, 06:53:23 PM
I think Sinnott has looked half decent on both occasions in pre season that we've employed him on the right hand side of the pitch, both against Wigan and against Trafford. He'll never get praise at any point even if it's at detriment to the team because the dye has been cast. He's no central midfielder, and I hope we don't seen him there again, but not had a problem with him in a right hand berth so far.
I will remind you of this later in the season

Incidentally what were the scores in those two games (both against sides three leagues below us) when Sinnott looked decent?

Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: joe on July 31, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
I'd go with the team at the start of the thread with one exception. You must all promise not to laugh.

I'd play Jordan Sinnott in place of Nicky Clee and leave the overlapping to our full backs.

I've booked you a place at Prestwich hospital as you're obviously losing your marbles  ;)
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 31, 2015, 07:37:45 PM
I think Sinnott has looked half decent on both occasions in pre season that we've employed him on the right hand side of the pitch, both against Wigan and against Trafford. He'll never get praise at any point even if it's at detriment to the team because the dye has been cast. He's no central midfielder, and I hope we don't seen him there again, but not had a problem with him in a right hand berth so far.
I will remind you of this later in the season

Incidentally what were the scores in those two games (both against sides three leagues below us) when Sinnott looked decent?



Wigan aren't 3 leagues below us, and it was 1-1, and we were losing at Trafford when he came on and drew 2-2

Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: B. 4D on July 31, 2015, 07:38:23 PM
I think Sinnott has looked half decent on both occasions in pre season that we've employed him on the right hand side of the pitch, both against Wigan and against Trafford. He'll never get praise at any point even if it's at detriment to the team because the dye has been cast. He's no central midfielder, and I hope we don't seen him there again, but not had a problem with him in a right hand berth so far.
I will remind you of this later in the season

Incidentally what were the scores in those two games (both against sides three leagues below us) when Sinnott looked decent?



I didn't realise that Wigan was three leagues below us. Must have missed something!!!!!
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on July 31, 2015, 08:19:17 PM
I think Sinnott has looked half decent on both occasions in pre season that we've employed him on the right hand side of the pitch, both against Wigan and against Trafford. He'll never get praise at any point even if it's at detriment to the team because the dye has been cast. He's no central midfielder, and I hope we don't seen him there again, but not had a problem with him in a right hand berth so far.
the 2 loan spells he has had he didn't look good enough in the middle or the right lets hope he improves and proves to be a decent player because we are going to see a lot of him and to be honest the dye was cast because of the 2 spells
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: ASMO on July 31, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
Half decent  you say , we need a fully decent performance from  him  .
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 31, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
How could I amend it, it would say edited at the bottom? And also you've quoted it, so it would still be on your post?  And everyone knows Jordan Sinnott didn't play at witton Albion?
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: B. 4D on July 31, 2015, 11:29:51 PM
How could I amend it, it would say edited at the bottom? And also you've quoted it, so it would still be on your post?  And everyone knows Jordan Sinnott didn't play at witton Albion?

Pete, with you all the way.
It seems to me some people on this forum just want to be negative to Lee and Jordan Sinnott.
Jordan Sinnott is not the best player Alty have ever signed, BUT he could be a good member of the squad.
For those who have been to some of the pre season games, Jordan can fit into more than one position.
As for his father, he has improved the team every year, and long may it continue.
Good luck for this season.
COME ON YOU MIGHTY ROBINS
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on July 31, 2015, 11:40:21 PM
Lee Sinnott has done a decent job but his son has failed in 2 previous spells he may look all right pre season when no one tackles why do people talk about anti Sinnott family the lad is not as good as Williams or wilkinson simple
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: B. 4D on July 31, 2015, 11:58:02 PM
Lee Sinnott has done a decent job but his son has failed in 2 previous spells he may look all right pre season when no one tackles why do people talk about anti Sinnott family the lad is not as good as Williams or wilkinson simple

So no tackles we're going on in the Wigan or Trafford game. Ask Densmore about that!!
'Lee Sinnott has done a decent job'!!
With the money  he has had, he has done a brilliant job.
He deserves a lot of credit.
Still think Jordan can do a job as a squad member.
I think Jimmy if you read a lot of posts on this forum, some people don't like The Sinnetts.
I do agree Jimmy that we should have kept Williams.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2015, 12:06:36 AM
I don't go pre season never have and won't now I live 150 miles away but if that is the case about those games fair enough however the lad never tackled at the end of last season and to believe people don't rate Jordan Sinnott just because he is the managers lad is an insult to people's knowledge
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: B. 4D on August 01, 2015, 12:21:02 AM
I don't go pre season never have and won't now I live 150 miles away but if that is the case about those games fair enough however the lad never tackled at the end of last season and to believe people don't rate Jordan Sinnott just because he is the managers lad is an insult to people's knowledge

Exactly.
Hope you can get to the games this year.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2015, 12:29:55 AM
I will get to the games Thankyou just not midweek and northern away games what is the exactly for
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: brian1925 on August 01, 2015, 06:48:19 AM
Most posters who have expressed concerns about Jordan Sinnott's arrival have been 100% supportive of Lee Sinnott. While I'm prepared to accept Jordan as an Alty player and wish the lad well, it doesn't alter the fact that the reason he was signed is because he is the manager's son, there's no point whatsoever pretending otherwise based on what I have seen. Having said that, I really hope the lad proves us all wrong and rams our doubts down our throats. I just don't see it happening and I worry about the impact his arrival will have on other players.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: ManagementGuru on August 01, 2015, 08:07:40 AM
As for the team reaction, I am less concerned. If I remember correctly his goal at the end of last season was greeted with delight by the players.  The squad seems to me to be tight in that regard.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2015, 09:23:18 AM
I agree it won't effect the harmony of the team but I agree with the rest of Brian's post
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: MarpleAlty on August 01, 2015, 02:50:46 PM
I'd go with the team at the start of the thread with one exception. You must all promise not to laugh.

I'd play Jordan Sinnott in place of Nicky Clee and leave the overlapping to our full backs.

It seems the manager has been listening!
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: taxi Phil on August 01, 2015, 02:57:09 PM
I've not gone to the game, but let's see how "my" lineup does.

Nicky isn't on the bench so may have a knock.

And of course Bowerman now enters the equation.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jenga on August 01, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
No idea what the team is likely to be on Saturday when results matter.

What i am happy about is that by all accounts the squad is much more complete than last season.

Arguably a stronger first 11 and as the team knit together this will improve further, but what looks to be a solid bench now with no real gaps. We appear to have game changers on the bench, whoever those players will end up being.

Overall I am quite happy and looking forward to a promising season and an improvement on 2014-15.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: robininstockport on August 01, 2015, 07:48:30 PM
If Jordan Sinnott ever starts over a fit Clee I will rip my season ticket up
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: taxi Phil on August 01, 2015, 08:41:42 PM
If Jordan Sinnott ever starts over a fit Clee I will rip my season ticket up
You'd regret it by Easter......
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2015, 09:27:41 PM
If Jordan Sinnott ever starts over a fit Clee I will rip my season ticket up
im afraid you will ripping it up Glyn
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: GB Alty on August 01, 2015, 10:02:56 PM

What i am happy about is that by all accounts the squad is much more complete than last season.

Arguably a stronger first 11 and as the team knit together this will improve further, but what looks to be a solid bench now with no real gaps. We appear to have game changers on the bench, whoever those players will end up being.

I am sorry but your very much mistaken, this squad is by far the weakest we have had for a number of years

All the new players are poorer than the ones they have replaced with the possible exception of Rankine

Name a game changer who will be on the bench next week?
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Hugo on August 01, 2015, 10:08:50 PM
If Jordan Sinnott ever starts over a fit Clee I will rip my season ticket up

Be careful now. I remember a member of this forum solemnly pledging never to attend another game while Sinnot is in charge (around 2 1/2 years ago). Of course he was full of sh*t and missed only a game or two! Lucky for him he didn't have the courage of his convictions or would have missed the excitement of the play off win!
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Bath Alty on August 01, 2015, 10:10:10 PM
What?  It can't by far weaker than last year because the first XI is pretty much the same.  We have the same first XI, the same defensive back up,  a striker who is probably better than Perry and the rest of the bench is unproven who may or may not be better than last year's subs bench.  Not the progress we would have liked certainly but 'by far weaker' - no chance
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: GB Alty on August 01, 2015, 10:27:11 PM
What?  It can't by far weaker than last year because the first XI is pretty much the same.  We have the same first XI, the same defensive back up,  a striker who is probably better than Perry and the rest of the bench is unproven who may or may not be better than last year's subs bench.  Not the progress we would have liked certainly but 'by far weaker' - no chance
No we don't at all, what rubbish

Wasn't Cavanagh in the starting XI last season? (and will probably be replaced by Sinnott jnr)

How much weaker do you want?
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: joe on August 01, 2015, 10:28:51 PM

What i am happy about is that by all accounts the squad is much more complete than last season.

Arguably a stronger first 11 and as the team knit together this will improve further, but what looks to be a solid bench now with no real gaps. We appear to have game changers on the bench, whoever those players will end up being.

I am sorry but your very much mistaken, this squad is by far the weakest we have had for a number of years

All the new players are poorer than the ones they have replaced with the possible exception of Rankine

Name a game changer who will be on the bench next week?

Not sure it's by far the weakest squad we've had for years. Rankine and Bowerman are a massive improvement on Perry and Gillespie while Deasy is probably a slight improvement on Parton but on the flip side I'm not convinced O'Keefe and Griffith are quite as good as Williams and Cavanagh. Overall I'd say the squad overall is of a similar standard to last season.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: GB Alty on August 01, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
Disagree Martin, as I said in the other thread I bet you £100 Bowerman doesn't score as many goals as Brooke
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Bath Alty on August 01, 2015, 10:36:29 PM
What?  It can't by far weaker than last year because the first XI is pretty much the same.  We have the same first XI, the same defensive back up,  a striker who is probably better than Perry and the rest of the bench is unproven who may or may not be better than last year's subs bench.  Not the progress we would have liked certainly but 'by far weaker' - no chance
No we don't at all, what rubbish

Wasn't Cavanagh in the starting XI last season? (and will probably be replaced by Sinnott jnr)

How much weaker do you want?

So we've changed one player in the first XI, who was far from ever present, from the team that finished the higher up the pyramid than any Alty team for best part of a decade and we are 'by far the weakest squad we've had for years' - that's just complete nonsense.  Can't be bothered to do a like for like comparison with the squad that started 3 or 4 years ago but I'm fairly confident no-one would swap either of those squads for this one!
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: taxi Phil on August 01, 2015, 10:38:33 PM
What?  It can't by far weaker than last year because the first XI is pretty much the same.  We have the same first XI, the same defensive back up,  a striker who is probably better than Perry and the rest of the bench is unproven who may or may not be better than last year's subs bench.  Not the progress we would have liked certainly but 'by far weaker' - no chance
No we don't at all, what rubbish

Wasn't Cavanagh in the starting XI last season? (and will probably be replaced by Sinnott jnr)

How much weaker do you want?

How many games did  Cavanagh play in which he was neither booked  nor sent off ?  I bet it amounts to less than half the season. Though I'm not yet convinced about Griffith, who reminds me of Carl Rodgers.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2015, 10:39:59 PM
Even without seeing bowerman I'd be gobsmacked if he was worse than Perry or Gillespie
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2015, 10:45:20 PM
What?  It can't by far weaker than last year because the first XI is pretty much the same.  We have the same first XI, the same defensive back up,  a striker who is probably better than Perry and the rest of the bench is unproven who may or may not be better than last year's subs bench.  Not the progress we would have liked certainly but 'by far weaker' - no chance
for my money we had a better team in 2014 than last year because we had Walshaw as for this year even without pre season I know deasey is better than Parton and rankine better than Perry Sinnott not as good as Williams or wilko the rest I will see in time
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Bath Alty on August 01, 2015, 10:47:47 PM
I wouldn't disagree with that - my assertion wasn't that this years squad is the best we've had for years, it was this years squad is not 'by far the weakest we've had for years' .

Sybil's opinion is faulty
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: GB Alty on August 01, 2015, 11:25:37 PM
What?  It can't by far weaker than last year because the first XI is pretty much the same.  We have the same first XI, the same defensive back up,  a striker who is probably better than Perry and the rest of the bench is unproven who may or may not be better than last year's subs bench.  Not the progress we would have liked certainly but 'by far weaker' - no chance
No we don't at all, what rubbish

Wasn't Cavanagh in the starting XI last season? (and will probably be replaced by Sinnott jnr)

How much weaker do you want?

So we've changed one player in the first XI, who was far from ever present, from the team that finished the higher up the pyramid than any Alty team for best part of a decade and we are 'by far the weakest squad we've had for years' - that's just complete nonsense.  Can't be bothered to do a like for like comparison with the squad that started 3 or 4 years ago but I'm fairly confident no-one would swap either of those squads for this one!
2008/09 we came 15th, 2009/10 we came 14th, last year we came 17th. Try to get the basics right Bath Alty

And yes both those sides were better than this, as were the sides from the previous three years
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: JTH on August 02, 2015, 11:40:49 AM
I thought we got bullied more than a few times last year, inc Blyth and Bath and I'm assuming that's what's behind a few of the changes. Couple that with the fact that sides know what we're about suggests to me LS is looking to put out a less open team this year. I liked Williams but he tended to drift in and out of games and centre mid can't really do that, whether Okeefe and Griffith will fit only time will tell. We all know that pace and power up front is key in this league, hopefully Bowerman and Rankine will give us something which was missing last year.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: JTH on August 02, 2015, 11:59:52 AM
Just a follow up anyone know where Sean Williams is now?
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: GB Alty on August 02, 2015, 12:15:57 PM
Just a follow up anyone know where Sean Williams is now?
Head Coach at Jamie Carragher Soccer Schools
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Mick on August 02, 2015, 12:49:49 PM
Just a follow up anyone know where Sean Williams is now?
Head Coach at Jamie Carragher Soccer Schools

Took a look at the website...........Jimmy Olsen is there as well
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: JTH on August 02, 2015, 02:36:06 PM
Just a follow up anyone know where Sean Williams is now?
Head Coach at Jamie Carragher Soccer Schools

His choice to leave?
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: GB Alty on August 02, 2015, 02:55:13 PM
Just a follow up anyone know where Sean Williams is now?
Head Coach at Jamie Carragher Soccer Schools

His choice to leave?
No, he was gutted to be released
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: Ballers on August 02, 2015, 04:34:58 PM
What?  It can't by far weaker than last year because the first XI is pretty much the same.  We have the same first XI, the same defensive back up,  a striker who is probably better than Perry and the rest of the bench is unproven who may or may not be better than last year's subs bench.  Not the progress we would have liked certainly but 'by far weaker' - no chance
No we don't at all, what rubbish

Wasn't Cavanagh in the starting XI last season? (and will probably be replaced by Sinnott jnr)

How much weaker do you want?

How many games did  Cavanagh play in which he was neither booked  nor sent off ?  I bet it amounts to less than half the season. Though I'm not yet convinced about Griffith, who reminds me of Carl Rodgers.

I've seen people saying Cavanagh only played half a season and Williams also. Well they replaced each other didn't they. I'd have said from what I've seen so far (and it's not a great deal in fairness) that neither O'Keefe or Griffith are better than either Cavanagh or Williams.

Hopefully I'll be proved wrong, people have said Griffith struck up good partnerships with his midfielders so I'm hopeful there.

And it might not be this thread but Densmore never got the not good enough treatment because he was superb from day one.

Clee did because he was about a stone overweight when he signed and took a while to get going. The initial criticism was fully justified. It'd be madness to drop him now though, especially if playing 442.
Title: Re: Team for Saturday
Post by: joe on August 02, 2015, 04:39:14 PM
What I've seen of Griffith so far I'd say he's a poor mans Carl Rodgers which doesn't bode well but I'm prepared to give the lad time to fit into the club and get match fit.