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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Leon on March 02, 2015, 11:13:18 AM
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Have we ever gone through a full season before without scoring a single penalty?
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The season before last??....
I dunno but I've got to say I'm a little bit sick of this now. A couple of our senior players (Densmore or Reeves) should be grabbing hold of this situation now. It's at the stage where people we haven't seen take a penalty before are clearly doing so because no one else will bad its costing us points.
Dens is our captain bad a good penalty taker, did he miss one then that was it? It moved onto others. It was ridiculous. He shouldn't be staffing around when there's umming and aahing. Just get your technique and also work on a plan b.
Same goes for Reeves. This blokes our goal scorer, our talisman, he works his arse off every single game trying to fashion a chance yet won't take a free shot from 12 yards cos he's missed a couple? I saw him score a real pressure penalty at Blyth in injury time so he can clearly do it, just needs to sort out his plan a and b.
One of the things I loved about James Walshaw was his edge. For him a penalty was a goal, give me the ball I'll score it. Job done promotion secured, how do you like it, how do you like it?
Come on Reevesey, don't tell me you can't do what Wally did...
Seriously, I'm disappointed in those two on this score.
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To be fair, Nicky Clee was probably the 'nominated penalty taker', as I believe current jargon has it. He took two in pre-season (with 100% success) & I'm fairly certain he wasn't on the field when we got a pen v Alfreton. Those of us who witnessed the farce of a penalty shoot-out at Hyde in pre-season know that there aren't many players in our squad you'd trust to hit the target from 12 yards, leave alone beat the keeper. This may sound harsh, but it's an honest opinion - if Reeves has time to think about a situation - e,g, a penalty kick - the odds are he'll get it wrong, but if he can only rely on instinct he's likely to get it right. Therefore it's wise not to entrust him with spot-kicks. Densmore has failed to convert on quite a few occasions & quite possibly just doesn't feel comfortable or confident enough in the situation. The job should go to someone who wants it, not to someone who's press-ganged into it. If no-one wants it that's another matter.
To return to the original point of the thread - pass!
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LS mentions in the Alty TV interview that Moult was our other nominated penalty taker, so I assume he'll be the next lamb to the slaughter.
I strongly agree with Ballers on this. Although neither Reeves or Densmore has ever filled me with confidence as penalty takers, one or both of them should take responsibility. We simply don't have a naturally confident penalty taker in the squad (like Walshaw was), so we need one of them to bridge the gap with practice and nerve.
Lucky in a way that we've only been awarded two penalties this season...
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I think it's unacceptable for any player at any level of the game to miss the target from the penalty spot. I'm not specifically referring to Saturday when I say that, either. I know pressure can do funny things to people, but to miss the target altogether is, frankly, a bit rubbish.
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I think it's unacceptable for any player at any level of the game to miss the target from the penalty spot. I'm not specifically referring to Saturday when I say that, either. I know pressure can do funny things to people, but to miss the target altogether is, frankly, a bit rubbish.
Agree totally. Irf the keeper saves is then OK, but to miss the target totally is pants. Just stand on the pen spot and look at the goal - it's a huge target to hit.
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The season before last??....
I dunno but I've got to say I'm a little bit sick of this now. A couple of our senior players (Densmore or Reeves) should be grabbing hold of this situation now. It's at the stage where people we haven't seen take a penalty before are clearly doing so because no one else will bad its costing us points.
Dens is our captain bad a good penalty taker, did he miss one then that was it? It moved onto others. It was ridiculous. He shouldn't be staffing around when there's umming and aahing. Just get your technique and also work on a plan b.
Same goes for Reeves. This blokes our goal scorer, our talisman, he works his arse off every single game trying to fashion a chance yet won't take a free shot from 12 yards cos he's missed a couple? I saw him score a real pressure penalty at Blyth in injury time so he can clearly do it, just needs to sort out his plan a and b.
One of the things I loved about James Walshaw was his edge. For him a penalty was a goal, give me the ball I'll score it. Job done promotion secured, how do you like it, how do you like it?
Come on Reevesey, don't tell me you can't do what Wally did...
Seriously, I'm disappointed in those two on this score.
2011/12:
Reeves takes a total of 10 penalties, scoring from eight of them and missing two.
We also manage to concede the ludicrous tally of 15 penalties!
2012/13:
Alty were awarded a total of 16 penalties…..and contrived to miss 10 of them.
For the record, the four heroes and villains were as follows: Damian Reeves: scored three and missed six; Matt Doughty: scored one and missed two; Shaun Densmore: scored one and missed one and Ryan Brooke: scored one and missed one.
2013/14:
Alty were awarded a total of five penalties, all of which were converted by a certain James Walshaw.
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Have we ever gone through a full season before without scoring a single penalty?
Sorry but that one's beyond my records!
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2012/13:
Alty were awarded a total of 16 penalties…..and contrived to miss 10 of them.
That is an absolutely frightening statistic. I knew we'd missed a few pens that season, but not 10 out of 16!
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To be fair, Nicky Clee was probably the 'nominated penalty taker', as I believe current jargon has it. He took two in pre-season (with 100% success) & I'm fairly certain he wasn't on the field when we got a pen v Alfreton. This may sound harsh, but it's an honest opinion - if Reeves has time to think about a situation - e,g, a penalty kick - the odds are he'll get it wrong, but if he can only rely on instinct he's likely to get it right. Therefore it's wise not to entrust him with spot-kicks. Densmore has failed to convert on quite a few occasions & quite possibly just doesn't feel comfortable or confident enough in the situation. The job should go to someone who wants it, not to someone who's press-ganged into it. If no-one wants it that's another matter.
Yeh but Mike, Nicky shouldn't be the nominated penalty taker. He's been here 5 years and we've been through loads of penalty takers including Ryan Brooke so he obviously doesn't really want to. Someone should be taking leadership here and if they've missed a couple in the past then practice a bit and sort yourself out.
I didn't realise Reevesy missed six the other year to be fair but he should just get his head right. No one else will score them do the pressures off in that respect. A goal scorer shouldn't be arsed if he misses as long as he gets to take the penalty.
On a side note I've always thought the logic of changing penalty takers if one gets missed is flawed. Anyone can miss a penalty and you're not allowing for averages on a good penalty taker. Matt Doughty for example took one and missed one but I'm fairly certain that out of 10 penalties he'd score 7 or 8
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I am pretty sure the answer is NO. I can categorically confirm it hasn't happened this century, and I am working my way back!
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Definitely none scored before 1890.
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My photos leading up to the penalty, where Nicky is holding the ball - and I think one of Gavin's too - suggest that Nicky wasn't particularly confident about taking it.
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I'd like to see Tom Marshall taking penalties (assuming he's still on the pitch). I bet he'd put it through the back of the net.
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Good job Wilkinson scored that late winner!
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Good job Wilkinson scored that late winner!
I think we all thought that at the time as well
Damian is one of the best 3 strikers in this league if you judge by goals scored. If you argue that those above him in the goals scored table both play for the big budget clubs and get fed more chances, then Damian is the best striker in this league.
I would not want to be seen to be overly critical here, but Ballers is right - the best striker in the league should be able to take the odd penalty now and then.
Out of interest does someone want to tell the forum how many of Akinde, Parkin and Rendell's goals were scored direct from spot kicks
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Akinde has scored 3 penalties against us alone!!
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Good job Wilkinson scored that late winner!
Exactly. And anyone who saw the shoot-out debacle in the pre-season friendly at Hyde knows full well we'd still be in Conference North but for that goal.
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Not much help for current penalty perplexities I realize, but I'm old enough to remember when we had TWO superb penalty takers in the team - Graham Heathcote and John Davison. I honestly can scarcely remember either of them missing a single one. JD in particular seemed infallible. Is my memory playing tricks?
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I remember a NWFL game against Witton at MossLane where Heathcote missed one and Davison scored one
It's the only miss of Heathcotes that I recall. 77-8 season
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I think I recall the great Jackie Swindells missing two penalties in the same game against Runcorn on a Friday evening at Canal Street back in the late 60's! It could be my memory playing tricks but does seem to be etched in my mind.
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I remember a NWFL game against Witton at MossLane where Heathcote missed one and Davison scored one
It's the only miss of Heathcotes that I recall. 77-8 season
I remember seeing Graham Heathcote miss a penalty and, almost inevitably, it occurred against Dave Ryan in a game against Vics at The Drill Field (not during that infamous penalty shoot-out in the APL Cup Final).
I think that he only missed two penalties during his time with Alty.
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Good job Wilkinson scored that late winner!
Exactly. And anyone who saw the shoot-out debacle in the pre-season friendly at Hyde knows full well we'd still be in Conference North but for that goal.
One of the many reasons that moment was so good - we went from almost certain defeat to certain victory without going through the usual intermediate 'draw' stage
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What was our penalty record 4 seasons ago? I remember Densmore doing quote well?
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What was our penalty record 4 seasons ago? I remember Densmore doing quote well?
According to club website (league matches only) -
2013/4 scored 5 missed 0; 2012/3 6-10; 2011/2 8-2; 2010/1 5-3; 2009/10 6-3
Can't find any stats for 2008/9
2007/8 scored 4; 2006/7 scored 5 missed 3
Hope that helps.