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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on January 24, 2015, 04:53:10 PM
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Complete farce, they were toss, as were leek, as were blyth,as were trafford, as were fc United and the list goes on, last cup game I attend away from home, shambles
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Altrincham no pace fc, they knew at half time we were toothless, and gambled, we don't pack the midfield, we don't win, furious
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Save your self a few Bob Pete next season we no what to except now
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Play offs it is then , could do with another forward though
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Didn't go, so can't comment. From commentary / match updates it sounds like a Nuneaton / Alfreton / Telford type performance. This team needs a therapist!
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I'm not sure we lost through any lack of effort on this occasion. Well done to Bath who threw absolutely everything at that, albeit spurred on by the most one-eyed ref in Christendom. I just don't think we can compete against the sort of opposition who get in our faces - missed Cav and Sean badly today. At least now we can concentrate on the league - still pig sick though!
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Same old same
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Gutted to go out but surprised this is being compared to the cup low performances. Nothing like it from what I watched.
Didn't create enough chances but showed plenty of endeavour I thought. They defended well in everything we threw in the box and we
didn't get the important goal that was going to settle it.
Bath weren't brilliant but worked hard and it was always going to be 0-0 or 1-0 to someone. Not wanting to single players out but we had frustrating Lawrie today and Gillespie is stealing a wage of us. The others gave their all I felt but we got undone by a free kick that should never have been given. No excuses though, we should have beaten them but just couldn't get the breakthrough.
Decent club Bath, good luck to them in the next round.
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Not lack of effort but toothless at half time they knew that and went forward as soon as Williams was sent off Saturday and cav wasn't fit that worried me we have become awfull unless we pack midfield let down f**k it I am not happy
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Gutted to go out but surprised this is being compared to the cup low performances. Nothing like it from what I watched.
Didn't create enough chances but showed plenty of endeavour I thought. They defended well in everything we threw in the box and we
didn't get the important goal that was going to settle it.
Bath weren't brilliant but worked hard and it was always going to be 0-0 or 1-0 to someone. Not wanting to single players out but we had frustrating Lawrie today and Gillespie is stealing a wage of us. The others gave their all I felt but we got undone by a free kick that should never have been given. No excuses though, we should have beaten them but just couldn't get the breakthrough.
Decent club Bath, good luck to them in the next round.
It's being compared to the other cup lows because they were no better than the teams the beat us in the previous loses mate
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Bob on jim, they were a mid table BSS side, and looked like one, only differnce being they had three pacey lads to bring on, we had Perry (not his game at one down) and that other one that should be on loan at trafford, it was no different to any of the other cup disgraces, it was basically fc United away but 50 quid dearer
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I enjoy the new bar but I'd love a pint at wembley more
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its saved me 600 quid for a flight home though
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In fear of being shot down, I would have started with Perry today. When we went forward we were toothless and they knew that. Defenders are scared of Kyle because he is big and awkward. We just didnt have numbers or quality in attack. Also without making any excuses, every rebound off any player seemed to bounce to one of their players. I think 1-0 was a fair result and you could see it coming. Sadly our best chance in years of getting to Wembley, blown away. I cant see any excuse for playing poorly against poor teams.
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they did not turn up in the first half,and just as halftime was coming we could have taken the lead,but baths goalie pulled of a great save,Stu had nothing to do in the first half.Second half they stepped up their game and did threaten a bit more.At one stage i tried to offer the ref from Plymouth my glasses he had missed so much.Our problem was we were giving away to many free kicks in the channels and it was from one of these they scored.The ref had played advantage, but after they had advanced and their player was stopped by a last second tackle he then called it back for the foul.I found everyone at bath was very friendly and helpful i must admit.Lawrie did not have the best of games in midfield and gave the ball away to many times,but then their midfield did also
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First half both teams poor, second half they stepped it up and we didn't respond.
An absolutely devastating result. Lee Sinnott MUST change the way he approaches cup games. Treating them exactly the same as league games doesn't work because other teams raise their game in cup matches and we just don't. Our record in the Cup and Trophy under LS is abysmal. Six defeats to lower league teams in eight competitions. I really, really hope this latest embarrassment forces him, finally, to reassess.
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Gutted to go out but surprised this is being compared to the cup low performances. Nothing like it from what I watched.
Didn't create enough chances but showed plenty of endeavour I thought. They defended well in everything we threw in the box and we
didn't get the important goal that was going to settle it.
Bath weren't brilliant but worked hard and it was always going to be 0-0 or 1-0 to someone. Not wanting to single players out but we had frustrating Lawrie today and Gillespie is stealing a wage of us. The others gave their all I felt but we got undone by a free kick that should never have been given. No excuses though, we should have beaten them but just couldn't get the breakthrough.
Decent club Bath, good luck to them in the next round.
Even Flynny had a go at him today on RR. He really is absolutely awful.
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I'll be honest, I'm really not sure what to make of this afternoon. I've deleted and retyped this about fifteen times as I've tried to make sense of my own opinion.
I've always felt that games should be taken singularly. Looking back on our recent Cup and Trophy disasters, and trying to place today alongside them, makes today's performance seem worse than it was. Try to take the past debacles out of the equation, and look at today solely on its own rather than as another sort of disgraceful Trophy loss at lower opposition.
It was a really, really poor offensive performance and it cost us in a game that was there for the taking. Having the ball means nothing if you don't actually create a sodding chance, but they played very deep and we seem to frequently struggle against that sort of approach.
That's why I can't compare this game to the Blyth game, where we fell apart against a side that we invited on to us. For the most part we controlled the game and I thought we were defensively sound for the vast majority. We weren't all over the place and getting out-battled in every 50/50, we weren't weathering wave after wave of Bath attacks. We just didn't have an offensive answer for a side that to their credit defended very well.
It wasn't good enough, and I'm not trying to justify what was a pretty sh*t performance, but I just don't personally think that was as much of a no-show from our team as some believe.
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I didn't go to this game but I was at Blyth and saw the FA Trophy wins over Macclesfield and Kidderminster. Strange things happen in cup games don't they (I've got Match of the Day on now). People seem to be very upset, but the wins in the earlier rounds were by single goals, and the win at Kidderminster was anything but convincing. Lee Sinnott often uses the buying a ticket in a raffle metaphor and today Bath drew the winning ticket, one goal from a free-kick. Two things were apparent from the commentary. James Lawrie has reintroduced the inaccuarate passing game that has been absent while he's been injured, and Stephen Gillespie is probably our worst signing since Michael Twiss. Sorry Stephen.
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Very disappointed - Bath seemed quite happy to sit back and counter attack in the second half. They seemed more up for it but again they wern't that good. It was an off day for us with no presence in the centre midfield. Without Tom Marshall we would have probably conceded two more.
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At 3pm I was still gutted that I had to miss today. Two hours later I was glad I couldn't make it.
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Pondering on this all the way home...Bath deserved their win, and we were second best. But if I compare it to Eastleigh or Kidderminster (say) we had 10 % less up front than in those games, defended well and conceded just a single goal.
We upped the pace after they scored but Bath were a very solid defensive unit - they defended very well.
We lost this in the same way we won at Kiddy: in the margins...
Wembley next year
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I'll be honest, I'm really not sure what to make of this afternoon. I've deleted and retyped this about fifteen times as I've tried to make sense of my own opinion.
I've always felt that games should be taken singularly. Looking back on our recent Cup and Trophy disasters, and trying to place today alongside them, makes today's performance seem worse than it was. Try to take the past debacles out of the equation, and look at today solely on its own rather than as another sort of disgraceful Trophy loss at lower opposition.
It was a really, really poor offensive performance and it cost us in a game that was there for the taking. Having the ball means nothing if you don't actually create a sodding chance, but they played very deep and we seem to frequently struggle against that sort of approach.
That's why I can't compare this game to the Blyth game, where we fell apart against a side that we invited on to us. For the most part we controlled the game and I thought we were defensively sound for the vast majority. We weren't all over the place and getting out-battled in every 50/50, we weren't weathering wave after wave of Bath attacks. We just didn't have an offensive answer for a side that to their credit defended very well.
It wasn't good enough, and I'm not trying to justify what was a pretty sh*t performance, but I just don't personally think that was as much of a no-show from our team as some believe.
I find it very hard to see today's result in isolation when the pattern of our performances in this type of game is so striking. I think we've got to that point of 'the definition of madness is repeating the same actions and expecting a different result'. We have got to change the way we approach this type of game or we are condemned to relive this misery season after season.
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Can we not give any credit to the opposing team in winning, or do we always have to blame Altrincham FC for failing? But for a missed penalty and some amazing saves at Aggborough we might not even have been at Bath today. The team we had out today was a Conference North team last season. Bath are at that level now, and by all accounts a similar sized club. Is it really such a shock that they won?
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Can we not give any credit to the opposing team in winning, or do we always have to blame Altrincham FC for failing? But for a missed penalty and some amazing saves at Aggborough we might not even have been at Bath today. The team we had out today was a Conference North team last season. Bath are at that level now, and by all accounts a similar sized club. Is it really such a shock that they won?
It was barely a shock at all but not for the reasons you suggest. The fact that our fans are criticising our team doesn't mean that they don't give credit to the opposition, just that the primary purpose of our fans' forum is to discuss our team's performance, something you'd be able to do if you'd been there.
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I'll be honest, I'm really not sure what to make of this afternoon. I've deleted and retyped this about fifteen times as I've tried to make sense of my own opinion.
I've always felt that games should be taken singularly. Looking back on our recent Cup and Trophy disasters, and trying to place today alongside them, makes today's performance seem worse than it was. Try to take the past debacles out of the equation, and look at today solely on its own rather than as another sort of disgraceful Trophy loss at lower opposition.
It was a really, really poor offensive performance and it cost us in a game that was there for the taking. Having the ball means nothing if you don't actually create a sodding chance, but they played very deep and we seem to frequently struggle against that sort of approach.
That's why I can't compare this game to the Blyth game, where we fell apart against a side that we invited on to us. For the most part we controlled the game and I thought we were defensively sound for the vast majority. We weren't all over the place and getting out-battled in every 50/50, we weren't weathering wave after wave of Bath attacks. We just didn't have an offensive answer for a side that to their credit defended very well.
It wasn't good enough, and I'm not trying to justify what was a pretty sh*t performance, but I just don't personally think that was as much of a no-show from our team as some believe.
I find it very hard to see today's result in isolation when the pattern of our performances in this type of game is so striking. I think we've got to that point of 'the definition of madness is repeating the same actions and expecting a different result'. We have got to change the way we approach this type of game or we are condemned to relive this misery season after season.
What would you have done differently today though? The team that was picked was the one that most suggested on here throughout the course of the week.
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I'll be honest, I'm really not sure what to make of this afternoon. I've deleted and retyped this about fifteen times as I've tried to make sense of my own opinion.
I've always felt that games should be taken singularly. Looking back on our recent Cup and Trophy disasters, and trying to place today alongside them, makes today's performance seem worse than it was. Try to take the past debacles out of the equation, and look at today solely on its own rather than as another sort of disgraceful Trophy loss at lower opposition.
It was a really, really poor offensive performance and it cost us in a game that was there for the taking. Having the ball means nothing if you don't actually create a sodding chance, but they played very deep and we seem to frequently struggle against that sort of approach.
That's why I can't compare this game to the Blyth game, where we fell apart against a side that we invited on to us. For the most part we controlled the game and I thought we were defensively sound for the vast majority. We weren't all over the place and getting out-battled in every 50/50, we weren't weathering wave after wave of Bath attacks. We just didn't have an offensive answer for a side that to their credit defended very well.
It wasn't good enough, and I'm not trying to justify what was a pretty sh*t performance, but I just don't personally think that was as much of a no-show from our team as some believe.
I find it very hard to see today's result in isolation when the pattern of our performances in this type of game is so striking. I think we've got to that point of 'the definition of madness is repeating the same actions and expecting a different result'. We have got to change the way we approach this type of game or we are condemned to relive this misery season after season.
What would you have done differently today though? The team that was picked was the one that most suggested on here throughout the course of the week.
I think we need to rediscover a culture within the club whereby cup matches bring the best and not the worst out of us. It's what used to define us. Easier said than done obviously but I feel there's a lack of fire in the belly at management and playing level. We're a calm, relaxed, quiet group, which generally serves us well in league football but not in cups.
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On the plus side we are up there with Man City and Chelsea!
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This must be taken in light of our performance against lower teams in the league. When a team comes to play us we play counter attack and win, if a team sits back I dont think we know what to do. still delighted with the league position.
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So let me get this right, this season we have won three FA Cup and Trophy games and lost two, so our tactics in cup games are all wrong.
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It's maybe not the tactics but its the mindset that we can't win games against lower opponents and we now seem in trouble if the midfield isn't packed
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Whilst it isn't right to be getting knocked out to lower league opposition, I think people keep forgetting we haven't lost every game. Beaten Barwell, beaten Leek in the cup.
I've said to other people, at least yesterday we applied ourselves correctly in that we didn't do a Trafford/Blyth and expected to turn up and win. At half time I was satisfied as we looked to be in control of the game without creating much. It baffled me then that after Griffin and Clee had the better of the right back in the 1st half, that we decided 2nd half to play it on the right!!
Disappointed yes. Gutted yes. But I think if someone said to you at start of the season that you'd be comfortable mid-table,1st round of the Cup and last 16 of Trophy you'd take it.
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The season has been good but barwell and leek are exceptions and not the norm are record against lower teams is shocking and as long as we are easily pleased we will never win anything
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Here's the goal, they've missed the bit where Densmore was shoved off the ball before we conceeded the free kick
http://bathcityfc.forumotion.co.uk/t600-altrincham-goal
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So let me get this right, this season we have won three FA Cup and Trophy games and lost two, so our tactics in cup games are all wrong.
Well it's pretty hard to lose more than two... ::)
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Whilst it isn't right to be getting knocked out to lower league opposition, I think people keep forgetting we haven't lost every game. Beaten Barwell, beaten Leek in the cup.
I've said to other people, at least yesterday we applied ourselves correctly in that we didn't do a Trafford/Blyth and expected to turn up and win. At half time I was satisfied as we looked to be in control of the game without creating much. It baffled me then that after Griffin and Clee had the better of the right back in the 1st half, that we decided 2nd half to play it on the right!!
Disappointed yes. Gutted yes. But I think if someone said to you at start of the season that you'd be comfortable mid-table,1st round of the Cup and last 16 of Trophy you'd take it.
At present we may look to be in a position of comfortable mid-table but we wont finish that way if we continue to play like yesterday.
Next Saturday against Aldershot would be a very important win.
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The next game whoever the opponents is always an important game , no one really expects us to get into play-off's or gain promotion , yes losing games like this and other lower teams is upsetting , but looking at it realistically a lot of people would be very happy to finish the season in mid table , then hope to improve next season , with a few new players , i think we are having a better season than expected .
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There's no question that we're having a much better season than anyone expected. We are probably good enough to get into the top half, which is pretty incredible really. However, I'd have happily given up a place or two for a visit to Wembley.
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I like the fact that a half decent leauge season makes all the bad up results ok speaking to a friend who was there to see us win trophy in 78 said it was the catalyst for the club becoming great
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There's no question that we're having a much better season than anyone expected. We are probably good enough to get into the top half, which is pretty incredible really. However, I'd have happily given up a place or two for a visit to Wembley.
we're not having a better season than I expected - 14th is par - indeed we should be doing better as the leagues poor
And I didn't expect cup defeats to lower league opposition in all 3 cups (but with our mindset, maybe I should have)
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Can't really work myself up to angry, I sort of expected it.
It was pointed out in the first half that they were just an inferior version of us and so we were on top, but after half time they quickened it up and put their foot in and we couldn't handle it. Again.
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So let me get this right, this season we have won three FA Cup and Trophy games and lost two, so our tactics in cup games are all wrong.
Well it's pretty hard to lose more than two... ::)
Which is the point I was making.
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We played terribly but its not because of some mythical inferiority complex in cup games.
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So let me get this right, this season we have won three FA Cup and Trophy games and lost two, so our tactics in cup games are all wrong.
Well it's pretty hard to lose more than two... ::)
Which is the point I was making.
Well, thanks for that stunning insight.
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Personally this season has surpassed my expectations so far but that is football it's all about opinions
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I had a decent chat with a ling term Bath fan after the game (he went to the match vs Stafford the only time they have got to the Trophy Quarter Finals 30 years ago for example).
He said that their performance yesterday was "easily their best of the season" and that we were much better than Bristol Rovers.
My view is that Bath were better than Kidderminster - they attacked intelligently, working the ball wide and not just hoofing long balls. They also defended stoutly in the last 10 minutes.
And also we were below par (marginally) compared to Eastleigh or Kidderminster - but having won those games "undeservedly" maybe this was simply the counter example - the "better" team not winning.
This was certainly not a repeat of Blyth!
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We played terribly but its not because of some mythical inferiority complex in cup games.
How many times must we get beat by lower sides before you believe it's an inferiority complex
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So let me get this right, this season we have won three FA Cup and Trophy games and lost two, so our tactics in cup games are all wrong.
Well it's pretty hard to lose more than two... ::)
Which is the point I was making.
Well, thanks for that stunning insight.
Very clever.
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I had a decent chat with a ling term Bath fan after the game (he went to the match vs Stafford the only time they have got to the Trophy Quarter Finals 30 years ago for example).
He said that their performance yesterday was "easily their best of the season" and that we were much better than Bristol Rovers.
My view is that Bath were better than Kidderminster - they attacked intelligently, working the ball wide and not just hoofing long balls. They also defended stoutly in the last 10 minutes.
And also we were below par (marginally) compared to Eastleigh or Kidderminster - but having won those games "undeservedly" maybe this was simply the counter example - the "better" team not winning.
This was certainly not a repeat of Blyth!
Bath didn't play better than kiddy however the better team did win yesterday eastleigh and kiddy completely different games one of them Stuart didn't have a save to make the other he has his best game in 5 years apart from that your post is ok
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Seems to be to much accepting and excusing on this forum
Even justifying
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On the eve of the 2014/15 season, Lee Sinnott commented:
“The aim was a 19-man group with a nice average age about them and that is what we have achieved.”
Mike Williams retires owing to injury: 18.
Greg Wilkinson is loaned out to Stockport County: 17.
There are no new recruits/replacements.
Before yesterday's game at Bath City:
Sean Williams is suspended: 16.
Peter Cavanagh is injured: 15.
So, for yesterday's important FA Trophy tie, the management team had a meagre total of 15 players to select from, two of whom are goalkeepers and another, Gillespie, whose contribution this season has, alas, been utterly negligible.
I do fear that our 'squad' is looking a trifle threadbare.....and we still face a few tricky assignments yet before we can all rest easy.
God help us if Reeves were to get injured.
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On the eve of the 2014/15 season, Lee Sinnott commented:
“The aim was a 19-man group with a nice average age about them and that is what we have achieved.”
Mike Williams retires owing to injury: 18.
Greg Wilkinson is loaned out to Stockport County: 17.
There are no new recruits/replacements.
Before yesterday's game at Bath City:
Sean Williams is suspended: 16.
Peter Cavanagh is injured: 15.
So, for yesterday's important FA Trophy tie, the management team had a meagre total of 15 players to select from, two of whom are goalkeepers and another, Gillespie, whose contribution this season has, alas, been utterly negligible.
I do fear that our 'squad' is looking a trifle threadbare.....and we still face a few tricky assignments yet before we can all rest easy.
God help us if Reeves were to get injured.
The two reserve strikers really are a desperate pair. Gillespie will surely never score again, and Kyle has scored 7 goals in his last 104 Conference Premier appearances. Four of those have been scored against Telford.
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Just had a look on there forum and they moaned about not mixing yet non of them came on here advising us best pubs and meet for a pint I wouldev done it gladly like I have at York exeter and say Woking at home with fans who actually are prepared to have a pint and a chat with you
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I read some of their forum and thats rubbish about us not mixing ,Rick from Cornwall his mate and myself all stood in with the Bath fans first half,behind the goal,i was chatting with a bath fan and then after the game again to 3 or 4 of their fans i also wished em well in the trophy,so dont know where that came from.I enjoyed my day out to bath even though we lost.Everyone made the day for me from the moment i got on the train At Bristol Templemeads to the 2 bath/bristol rover fans who i chatted with on the bus and had a pint with before the game in the club house.Then the bath fan who told me how to get to the ground from the chippy.No it was a good day,it would have been a great day if we had won,but thats life.
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On the eve of the 2014/15 season, Lee Sinnott commented:
“The aim was a 19-man group with a nice average age about them and that is what we have achieved.”
Mike Williams retires owing to injury: 18.
Greg Wilkinson is loaned out to Stockport County: 17.
There are no new recruits/replacements.
Before yesterday's game at Bath City:
Sean Williams is suspended: 16.
Peter Cavanagh is injured: 15.
So, for yesterday's important FA Trophy tie, the management team had a meagre total of 15 players to select from, two of whom are goalkeepers and another, Gillespie, whose contribution this season has, alas, been utterly negligible.
I do fear that our 'squad' is looking a trifle threadbare.....and we still face a few tricky assignments yet before we can all rest easy.
God help us if Reeves were to get injured.
The two reserve strikers really are a desperate pair. Gillespie will surely never score again, and Kyle has scored 7 goals in his last 104 Conference Premier appearances. Four of those have been scored against Telford.
As yet, bizarrely, neither Perry nor Gillespie has scored a goal at the J Davidson Stadium this season.
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I read some of their forum and thats rubbish about us not mixing ,Rick from Cornwall his mate and myself all stood in with the Bath fans first half,behind the goal,i was chatting with a bath fan and then after the game again to 3 or 4 of their fans i also wished em well in the trophy,so dont know where that came from.I enjoyed my day out to bath even though we lost.Everyone made the day for me from the moment i got on the train At Bristol Templemeads to the 2 bath/bristol rover fans who i chatted with on the bus and had a pint with before the game in the club house.Then the bath fan who told me how to get to the ground from the chippy.No it was a good day,it would have been a great day if we had won,but thats life.
Why would you stand with the Bath fans?
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main reason being i was on crutches and could not be bothered to walk around to the other end(had my knee replaced)
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Fair play, Twerton Park is a bit like Moss Lane in terms of lumps and bumps on the terracing so don't blame you.
At least you don't now need to walk up that hill at Dover in the next round !
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On the eve of the 2014/15 season, Lee Sinnott commented:
“The aim was a 19-man group with a nice average age about them and that is what we have achieved.”
Mike Williams retires owing to injury: 18.
Greg Wilkinson is loaned out to Stockport County: 17.
There are no new recruits/replacements.
Before yesterday's game at Bath City:
Sean Williams is suspended: 16.
Peter Cavanagh is injured: 15.
So, for yesterday's important FA Trophy tie, the management team had a meagre total of 15 players to select from, two of whom are goalkeepers and another, Gillespie, whose contribution this season has, alas, been utterly negligible.
I do fear that our 'squad' is looking a trifle threadbare.....and we still face a few tricky assignments yet before we can all rest easy.
God help us if Reeves were to get injured.
The two reserve strikers really are a desperate pair. Gillespie will surely never score again, and Kyle has scored 7 goals in his last 104 Conference Premier appearances. Four of those have been scored against Telford.
As yet, bizarrely, neither Perry nor Gillespie has scored a goal at the J Davidson Stadium this season.
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I don't find that fact bizarre
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On the eve of the 2014/15 season, Lee Sinnott commented:
“The aim was a 19-man group with a nice average age about them and that is what we have achieved.”
Mike Williams retires owing to injury: 18.
Greg Wilkinson is loaned out to Stockport County: 17.
There are no new recruits/replacements.
Before yesterday's game at Bath City:
Sean Williams is suspended: 16.
Peter Cavanagh is injured: 15.
So, for yesterday's important FA Trophy tie, the management team had a meagre total of 15 players to select from, two of whom are goalkeepers and another, Gillespie, whose contribution this season has, alas, been utterly negligible.
I do fear that our 'squad' is looking a trifle threadbare.....and we still face a few tricky assignments yet before we can all rest easy.
God help us if Reeves were to get injured.
The two reserve strikers really are a desperate pair. Gillespie will surely never score again, and Kyle has scored 7 goals in his last 104 Conference Premier appearances. Four of those have been scored against Telford.
As yet, bizarrely, neither Perry nor Gillespie has scored a goal at the J Davidson Stadium this season.
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I don't find that fact bizarre
I agree that it's hardly surprising on the evidence of their respective playing abilities, however, it still represents some sort of bizarre achievement for us to have somehow managed to end up with two forwards who have yet to score a goal on home turf to date this season.
Gillespie fluffed his big moment against Alfreton Town.