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Title: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: football_fans on October 19, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
Was just wondering what everyone considers to be their top 3 rivals.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Baldrick on October 19, 2014, 02:32:51 PM
General feeling at Altrincham seems to be

1. Macclesfield
2. Northwich
3. FCUM (a long way behind the top 2)
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on October 19, 2014, 02:46:59 PM
Macclesfield
Northwich
Runcorn

Fc united don't even register for me
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: York Alty on October 19, 2014, 02:51:07 PM
Had this discussion before but always nice to revisit.

As well as FCUM you have to consider Stalybridge, Droylesden, Runcorn, County, Witton, Barrow plus others.

For me it was always Vics (All of them), Macc and then Runcorn.  

It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Bob on October 19, 2014, 03:32:52 PM
Traditionally Macc, Vics, Runcorn.

Vics and Runcorn are off the radar now.  No idea why FCUM would be on there given we have hardly ever played them. Same for County and Chester.

Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: anglo alty on October 19, 2014, 03:35:42 PM
              top 3 rivalries

               Macc
              Northwhich
 the third one is a toss up between Runcorn and Wigan, they were probably bigger rivals in the latter days of the Cheshire lge and beginning of the NPL. Some of the crowds for Alty/ Wigan matches were huge 6,000 plus wasn't un common and i for one was really made up to beat them 1-0 in the FA Cup and set up the Spurs tie (2ND ONE ). After all that i would say Wigan for the reasons mentioned
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: ForeverAlty on October 19, 2014, 04:12:14 PM
Wigan can't be counted anymore, as if they give one about us

It's like how Aldershot still think they're relevant to Reading, it's funny really .
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: GB Alty on October 19, 2014, 04:32:03 PM

It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not

No rivalry with County or Stalybridge

And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Mr Woolf on October 19, 2014, 04:33:18 PM
FCUM? I absolutely love this forum always gives me a good laugh
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Jimmy on October 19, 2014, 04:36:58 PM
I'd say macc northwich Runcorn if I was old enough I may say Wigan but to young to appreciate
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: GB Alty on October 19, 2014, 04:38:46 PM
I'd say macc northwich Runcorn if I was old enough I may say Wigan but to young to appreciate
what about FCUM or Droylsden?
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: ripleym on October 19, 2014, 04:43:11 PM
Got to be Wythenshawe Town or Salford City for me...
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: York Alty on October 19, 2014, 05:20:02 PM

It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not

No rivalry with County or Stalybridge

And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus

We've had a long term low level rivalry with Stalybridge for years in my opinion.  County - very close, and at or about level so I think there is a growing rivalry with them.  It lacks history but it's there and may well develop in the same way that Vics and Runcorn withered.

Droylesden - played them to often in recent years for my liking with some antagonism.  Deliberately prepared crap pitch with grass to the ankle and comments from Pace about "glad we're playing them again as I do like to meet our friends from Alty" - with tongue firmly in cheek as we were relegated.

Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: SW on October 19, 2014, 05:42:28 PM
For me rivalries are long standing and essentially mutual affairs that matter like hell. Like Macc and Vics as they were, possibly Runcorn, possibly Wigan in the NPL days. There is another category in teams you hate for whatever reason, FGR, I hated Scarborough for a while after the late 70s Trophy semi, I've never been keen on Boston and I have a completely unfounded but genuine dislike of Crystal Palace, but none of those could be considered rivalries. I don't regard Southport, Witton, Stalybridge, Stockport, Chester or Hyde as rivals but possibly Barrow, we go back a long way and have had some ding-dongs.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Bob on October 19, 2014, 05:45:34 PM

It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not

No rivalry with County or Stalybridge

And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus

We've had a long term low level rivalry with Stalybridge for years in my opinion.  County - very close, and at or about level so I think there is a growing rivalry with them.  It lacks history but it's there and may well develop in the same way that Vics and Runcorn withered.

Droylesden - played them to often in recent years for my liking with some antagonism.  Deliberately prepared crap pitch with grass to the ankle and comments from Pace about "glad we're playing them again as I do like to meet our friends from Alty" - with tongue firmly in cheek as we were relegated.



Take Dave Pace out of the equation and Droylsden would be another Mossley, Hyde or Ashton who we have no real feeling for.  The antagonism was never the club but Pace.  The only way we will develop a rivalry with County (or Chester) is if we play them more but yes the future rivalry potential is there.  It isn't really one right now though.

Stalybridge to a degree because they are local and we have played them quite a lot, but they have their own rivals really.  I would sort of say Barrow for the similar reasons, even Southport perhaps if pushed.  But that's creating rivals for the sake of it.

Not in the same class as Vics, Runcorn or Macc
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: York Alty on October 19, 2014, 05:51:37 PM

It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not

No rivalry with County or Stalybridge

And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus

We've had a long term low level rivalry with Stalybridge for years in my opinion.  County - very close, and at or about level so I think there is a growing rivalry with them.  It lacks history but it's there and may well develop in the same way that Vics and Runcorn withered.

Droylesden - played them to often in recent years for my liking with some antagonism.  Deliberately prepared crap pitch with grass to the ankle and comments from Pace about "glad we're playing them again as I do like to meet our friends from Alty" - with tongue firmly in cheek as we were relegated.



Take Dave Pace out of the equation and Droylsden would be another Mossley, Hyde or Ashton who we have no real feeling for.  The antagonism was never the club but Pace.  The only way we will develop a rivalry with County (or Chester) is if we play them more but yes the future rivalry potential is there.  It isn't really one right now though.

Stalybridge to a degree because they are local and we have played them quite a lot, but they have their own rivals really.  I would sort of say Barrow for the similar reasons, even Southport perhaps if pushed.  But that's creating rivals for the sake of it.

Not in the same class as Vics, Runcorn or Macc

Absolutely.  Steeped in history.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Jenga on October 19, 2014, 06:54:45 PM
1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: RockyRobin on October 19, 2014, 07:49:54 PM
1) Northwich Victoria
2) Macclesfield Town
3) Wycombe Wanderers
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: wayno on October 19, 2014, 08:48:50 PM
1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn
It's posts like this that are dragging this forum from a place where one can exchange a range of views and feelings on football to one of anarchy

Please act now administrators
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: wayno on October 19, 2014, 08:51:05 PM
1. maccelsfield
2. Northwich
3. Chester
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 19, 2014, 09:47:04 PM
Instinctively, I said, Macc, Vics and Wigan (in that order) but having read through the replies, I'd have to agree that the latics couldn't give a monkeys about us now so they're out of the equation.
After a great deal more thought, I decided that although quite a few teams get on my nerves, none would qualify for 'rivalry' status so I'd have to say only two rivalries remain ... the milkmen and the slime.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Baldrick on October 19, 2014, 09:54:42 PM
The reason I mentioned FCUM is because nobody I have met at Altrincham has a good word to say about them. The trouble at the pre season friendly a few years ago still angers a lot of people.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Hamilton on October 19, 2014, 10:38:12 PM
Even pacey has become more sensible in recent years. To me the 3rd rivalry is Staleybridge.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: GB Alty on October 19, 2014, 11:24:07 PM
The reason I mentioned FCUM is because nobody I have met at Altrincham has a good word to say about them. The trouble at the pre season friendly a few years ago still angers a lot of people.
I don't think anyone's arsed
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: York Alty on October 19, 2014, 11:53:16 PM
1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn

Wise words!
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Sarf London Alty on October 20, 2014, 12:09:21 AM
Might I offer an alternative list for Southern Exiles:

1. Crawley (town, club, people. Everything)

2. Stevenage (crap day out, lacks good pubs. Paul Merson treated like a demi-god in the bar one time).

3. And a new entrant, Barnet. Can't possibly think why.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Jimmy Hill on October 20, 2014, 12:09:32 AM
I think a lot of who you consider rivals is dependent on who the big games are against when you first properly start supporting Alty.

I know it's pretty much sacrilegious but I had always considered Northwich bigger rivals than Macc. Having never seen us play Macc they felt more like some mysterious boogeyman rather than an actual rival. However now Northwich are nothing (which is actually quite sad) I can see why Macc are now top of the pile.

After that I've always considered Southport and Barrow as decent rivals, both clubs with a similar history to our own and always bring decent support with them. The matches don't have the needle of derby matches but we've had some cracking games with both sides in the league and cup.

However, the weird thing is I don't actually have anything against either Southport and Barrow. I enjoy it when we beat them but I don't actively dislike them. There seems like there should be another category that aren't exactly rivals but you do really sort of despise them.

Into this category go Accrington Stanley - possibly the most wanky fans there are, so up themselves that they make FCUM look relatively modest. Tamworth - the games against them were always horrible, Heathcote didn't help things with his constant arguments with their fans in the shed but really quite a knobbish club. Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.

However, I am willing to admit that my views on Accrington, Tamworth and Kettering might just be the result of paying too much attention to some knobs on the internet.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Jezza on October 20, 2014, 10:39:11 AM
As there are two northwichs id go
1) MACC
2) NORTHWICH
3) NORTHWICH ;D
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Nom de plume on October 20, 2014, 12:02:28 PM
1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn

Wise words!
I thought that was part of the shipping forecast, to be followed by Dogger, Fisher, German Bight. :-\
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: gazwarrington on October 20, 2014, 12:39:34 PM
Macclesfield
Northwich
Stalybridge

Stalybridge and Northwich very very close.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Hamilton on October 20, 2014, 12:50:30 PM
1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn

Wise words!
I thought that was part of the shipping forecast, to be followed by Dogger, Fisher, German Bight. :-\

Does Stan Collymore play for them?
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Beaver on October 20, 2014, 05:27:46 PM
Macc
Vics
Witton or Runcorn
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Beaver on October 20, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
Macclesfield
Northwich
Stalybridge

Stalybridge and Northwich very very close.

Stalybridge and Vics close? You're a bit rusty sir. I can't compare the hatred I have for Vics to the mere passive agression I have for vegas.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: arnald on October 20, 2014, 05:35:44 PM
macc
vicks
Runcorn
witon
wigan
stockport
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: arnald on October 20, 2014, 05:37:08 PM
macc
vicks
Runcorn
witon
wigan
stockport
sorry that's 6 of all time  ;D
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Baldrick on October 20, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.

Not exactly sleeping giants but the fact that the whole town turns up when they are doing well suggests they have the potential to become giants if they ever make it to the big time. A better reason to hate them is the little known fact that they are responsible for every team now having an advert plastered across their chest. Derek Dougan fully deserved that slap he got at the Den back in the good old days.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on October 20, 2014, 06:03:44 PM


I think a lot of who you consider rivals is dependent on who the big games are against when you first properly start supporting Alty.



However, the weird thing is I don't actually have anything against either Southport and Barrow. I enjoy it when we beat them but I don't actively dislike them. There seems like there should be another category that aren't exactly rivals but you do really sort of despise them.



For those who began watching Alty in the 1960s or 1970s, the big derby was always against Macc (usually involving playing them on Boxing Day and New Year's Day).

Owing to Macc's failure to qualify for the Alliance Premier League for the 1979/80 season, the green slime of Vics emerged to become our bête noire (notably assisted by the heinous Jeff Forshaw).

Macc didn't attain promotion into the then GM Vauxhall Conference until the 1987/88 season.

As regards teams from afar who you loathe, well, any Alty supporter who watched the Robins during the 1970s would surely add Boston United to that particular list of infamy.













Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: ManagementGuru on October 20, 2014, 06:24:27 PM
I think we also have crap memories of Boston from the 80's (cheating bastards in trophy semi) and 90's (ask Leroy Chambers)

Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: York Alty on October 20, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
I think we also have crap memories of Boston from the 80's (cheating bastards in trophy semi) and 90's (ask Leroy Chambers)



GOOD CALL. Inbred T**ts from an ar5ehole of a town.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Darren on October 20, 2014, 06:48:52 PM
No one metioned Colwyn Bay after recent visits
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: arnald on October 20, 2014, 07:08:41 PM
No one metioned Colwyn Bay after recent visits
a few miles away from alty that one daz
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: thegazelle on October 20, 2014, 07:23:56 PM
in my prime i would have said

vics
macc
runcorn


witton never been an issue as we both have  a mutual hatred of all things green

tameside teams a little bit irritating but no real rivalry

hates ... kettering dating back many years



Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: York Alty on October 20, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
No one metioned Colwyn Bay after recent visits
a few miles away from alty that one daz

Bay started to irritate me, but I never see them as rivals. A valid point raised earlier about Droylesden being predominantly down to Dave Pace and most of the bad feeling re. Colwyn Bay  is all about Frank Sinclair and his obnoxious behaviour.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Jimmy on October 20, 2014, 08:31:55 PM
Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.

Not exactly sleeping giants but the fact that the whole town turns up when they are doing well suggests they have the potential to become giants if they ever make it to the big time. A better reason to hate them is the little known fact that they are responsible for every team now having an advert plastered across their chest. Derek Dougan fully deserved that slap he got at the Den back in the good old days.
It's was Kettering tyres I think
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: eightiesrobin on October 20, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
I think we also have crap memories of Boston from the 80's (cheating bastards in trophy semi) and 90's (ask Leroy Chambers)



Yes, I have never seen a victory over Boston. After losing the trophy semi-final in 1985, I decided not to bother going to the last league game of the season against Boston. IIRC a 7-2 win.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on October 20, 2014, 09:04:52 PM
For those who began watching Alty in the 1960s or 1970s, the big derby was always against Macc (usually involving playing them on Boxing Day and New Year's Day).

Owing to Macc's failure to qualify for the Alliance Premier League for the 1979/80 season, the green slime of Vics emerged to become our bête noire (notably assisted by the heinous Jeff Forshaw).

Macc didn't attain promotion into the then GM Vauxhall Conference until the 1987/88 season.

As regards teams from afar who you loathe, well, any Alty supporter who watched the Robins during the 1970s would surely add Boston United to that particular list of infamy.

Can't argue with any of that.

Of course there was once a brief period where there were six teams from Cheshire in the top tier of Non League football:
Alty, Macc, Vics, Runcorn, Witton and Staly

That will never happen again.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: York Alty on October 20, 2014, 09:10:57 PM

Of course there was once a brief period where there were six teams from Cheshire in the top tier of Non League football:
Alty, Macc, Vics, Runcorn, Witton and Staly

That will never happen again.

Greta days those.  So many top flight teams in the area, I suppose your're right in that it'll never happen again.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: GB Alty on October 20, 2014, 09:43:24 PM
This thread seems to have become any club we have a gripe against - which is many as we have a chip on our shoulder

Thing is our only real rivals are Macc and Northwich, maybe in years gone by Runcorn and Wigan

Barrow etc whilst can be fruity not really a rivalry

As for those suggesting County and FCUM or Droylsden or Tamworth, Jesus wept do you know the definition of rivalry?
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Toff Apple on October 20, 2014, 10:07:01 PM
Macc, Vics, FGR for me
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: hsmith1 on October 21, 2014, 10:23:31 AM
Macc,Wigan,Slime
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: brian1925 on October 21, 2014, 10:48:02 AM
Macc and Vics in no particular order, though for purely personal reasons, Southport is right up there as a rival too.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: whiskyalty on October 21, 2014, 10:52:45 AM
The only two rivals are the milkmen and the pricks forget the rest.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: roytonmike on October 21, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Macc & Vics. No-one else counts.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: RedhillAlty on October 21, 2014, 06:23:52 PM
Historically there were 4 rivals:-
Wigan
Macc
Runcorn
Vics

Vics were in our league for many, many years until I think we got relegated in 1997.
Wigan got our place in the Football League in 1978, a year before Macc came bottom of the NPL and we didnt play them for a while.
Runcorn we branded as Scousers.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Jimmy on October 21, 2014, 07:24:28 PM
It's an odd thread you don't really have as many as 3 main rivals you have 1 at a push 2 the third team has been a token gesture
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: RedhillAlty on October 21, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
It's an odd thread you don't really have as many as 3 main rivals you have 1 at a push 2 the third team has been a token gesture

Since the formation of the APL/Conference we have only had one or two of these teams in our league at the same time. Now only Macc still exist in our league, Wigan progressed having taken advantage of the opportunity we should have had, and the other two are dead.
The 5 rivals together was as a result of being in a regional league.
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: GB Alty on October 21, 2014, 09:40:21 PM
It's an odd thread you don't really have as many as 3 main rivals you have 1 at a push 2 the third team has been a token gesture

Since the formation of the APL/Conference we have only had one or two of these teams in our league at the same time. Now only Macc still exist in our league, Wigan progressed having taken advantage of the opportunity we should have had, and the other two are dead.
The 5 rivals together was as a result of being in a regional league.
not really true Runcorn and Vics have been in the same league as us until not that long ago - same with Macc bar last 17 years

All three clubs have played most of their history in the same regional leagues - hence why they are rivals and County of FCUM aren't - or have I missed something?
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Ashley Alty on October 22, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.

Not exactly sleeping giants but the fact that the whole town turns up when they are doing well suggests they have the potential to become giants if they ever make it to the big time. A better reason to hate them is the little known fact that they are responsible for every team now having an advert plastered across their chest. Derek Dougan fully deserved that slap he got at the Den back in the good old days.
It's was Kettering tyres I think
Kettering Tyres is owned by an Altrincham family - I went to school with the co-owner
Title: Re: Top 3 Rivalries
Post by: Ashley Alty on October 22, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
Or rather Kettering Motorist Centre

http://www.ketteringmotoristcentre.co.uk/index.php

A family member is a regular at Moss Lane when he visits from Hereford and well known to many Alty fans  :)