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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on September 20, 2014, 05:15:56 PM
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I hope both our club and those harassed from the word go by the police and the barnet stewards complain in the strongest possible way. The stuff before the game and again at half time and the searching of the official coach for alcohol are nothing short of a disgrace. The police officers retort of write to your MP at the end was about par for the day. Glad the stuff at half time was filmed. I've never witnessed anything like that, and for £17 I won't be going back. And we need four in on loan THIS WEEK
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What happened at half time ?
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You're dead right, Pete. Many of us have said how glad we are to be in a 'proper' league but today made me long for Conf North. Barnet are, from top to toe, an obnoxious and graceless club and today was a miserable experience, only partly because of what happened on the pitch.
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Utterly depressing. A sterile, soulless new stadium in an equally nondescript part of town. They could have easily policed us with one smiling steward. I fear that after this and Aldershot, there will be further similar welcomes awaiting us in this division. £17 bloody quid. Should have stayed in the pub.
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My immediate thought was that I hope the team can retain their confidence. Early in the season I thought they were lacking in confidence but it was there in recent games and we were competitive. The last couple of games have been a set back but I hope they can regain their composure against Welland because they have got what it takes especially when we are on the front foot.
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Wasnt there today but from reading the posts it seems like Barnet's new ground is a soulless place at best. Is it twinned with our friends in Nailsworth ;)
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I thought the Stewards were very pleasant on our arrival at the ground.
However they did seem odd at half time walking around the bar carefully eyeing us all individually.
As for the game, I thought Barnet were a very good strong outfit, fitter and faster than us to every ball.
However their confidence was boosted by being gifted a 2-0 lead by shocking Refereeing decisions.
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Are we going to go on all season blaming Altrincham's poor results on refereeing decisions?
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Sorry you didnt have a pleasant visit.
The police are very hot about illegally bringing alcohol on supporters coaches. Not sure what else went on as I didn't see anything from the home end.
I didn't see any poor refereeing decisions that gifted goals but all the best for the rest of the season and hopefully you will get some results against our rivals on the way.
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Are we going to go on all season blaming Altrincham's poor results on refereeing decisions?
and or the weather hee hee
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I agree, some people's persecution complex regarding referees is embarrassing. Bad decisions go for and against us most games. We need to man up and stop looking to blame others. Only we can keep ourselves in this league, not this referee or that linesman.
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Sometimes I wonder if some of our fans know anything about football. Both were clear as day penalties, 1st one caused by a mix up with leather and Parton,which left Parton starting his run to the ball late.
Done by a better side,although we didn't do ourselves any justice. Next week is a massive game now,probably more important than the derby.
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Sorry you didnt have a pleasant visit.
The police are very hot about illegally bringing alcohol on supporters coaches. Not sure what else went on as I didn't see anything from the home end.
I didn't see any poor refereeing decisions that gifted goals but all the best for the rest of the season and hopefully you will get some results against our rivals on the way.
No one bought any alcohol illegally, the bar was "raided" by the met at half time and people who had no idea what was happening were accused of taking drugs in the toilets,until it turned out the white marks or whatever on the hand dryers were paint speckles that had been there since that mobile stadium was hastily assembled , a complete embarrassment and shambles to both barnet fc and the police. I won't mention those refused entry for no apparent reason.No wonder no one goes.
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Sorry you didnt have a pleasant visit.
The police are very hot about illegally bringing alcohol on supporters coaches. Not sure what else went on as I didn't see anything from the home end.
I didn't see any poor refereeing decisions that gifted goals but all the best for the rest of the season and hopefully you will get some results against our rivals on the way.
No one bought any alcohol illegally, the bar was "raided" by the met at half time and people who had no idea what was happening were accused of taking drugs in the toilets,until it turned out the white marks or whatever on the hand dryers were paint speckles that had been there since that mobile stadium was hastily assembled , a complete embarrassment and shambles to both barnet fc and the police. I won't mention those refused entry for no apparent reason.No wonder no one goes.
bloody hell that's heavy handed
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sh*t ground in the middle of nowhere, sh*t fans, sh*t music, sh*t refereeing, sh*t performance, sh*t press area, sh*t stewarding. The one saving grace today? John Akinde coming off on 47 minutes. He ran us ragged all first half, and if he hadn't have tweaked his hammy he'd have had 2 hat-tricks today.
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I was warned about this by a mate who follows Dartford, apparently they were treated so badly the first season they went hardly anyone went back this season. They are utter utter c*nts who should be ashamed and I think if everyone sends letters to both the club and the Conference it is the least we can do.
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I was going to post a reply on their forum but as you would expect it is a hide behind your arse registration only one. They are commenting on here, utter wankers, no class, we will treat their fans decently when they come to us. What a bunch of utter Tuesdays. F off Barnet, really F off. I don't spend my money and weekend to be treated like that.
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Sorry you didnt have a pleasant visit.
The police are very hot about illegally bringing alcohol on supporters coaches. Not sure what else went on as I didn't see anything from the home end.
I didn't see any poor refereeing decisions that gifted goals but all the best for the rest of the season and hopefully you will get some results against our rivals on the way.
No one bought any alcohol illegally, the bar was "raided" by the met at half time and people who had no idea what was happening were accused of taking drugs in the toilets,until it turned out the white marks or whatever on the hand dryers were paint speckles that had been there since that mobile stadium was hastily assembled , a complete embarrassment and shambles to both barnet fc and the police. I won't mention those refused entry for no apparent reason.No wonder no one goes.
I wasnt claiming anyone brought alcohol illegally, only that the police search supporters coaches because they are hot on it. As a Barnet fan I find it sad that you felt poorly treated.
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I was going to post a reply on their forum but as you would expect it is a hide behind your arse registration only one. They are commenting on here, utter wankers, no class, we will treat their fans decently when they come to us. What a bunch of utter Tuesdays. F off Barnet, really F off. I don't spend my money and weekend to be treated like that.
Tell me what you want to say and I will quote it directly for you. There is nothing stopping you registering on our forum if you want to make the statement yourself, no different to what I had to do to post here.
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All a bit heavy handed from what I saw.
No excuses on the pitch, absolutely outplayed by a stronger, more competitive side. Cavanagh continues to impress but I can't say that about other players today. To go in at half time already well beaten was the most dissapointing thing for me. Need to see improvement quicky especially away from home....
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One of my nearest grounds so it is a shame but I'm not going back there again.
My worst experience at ALL levels of football in over 30 years of attending.
I've been in a riot at Millwall and was treated better.
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I didn't like to say before the game, but a mate of mine warned me about Barnet. Probably best just not to go to the place again and warn others.
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All a bit odd it's not good form to check innocent people for cocain because the was dust on a hand dryer
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It,s the Met.........we had them round our way in '84 dressed as local policemen......their commanders let them behave how they like, which from my experience was like what i expected of some east european police statel.
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It's a shame for London Alty as we were all looking forward to one of our closest games but as John says I doubt (if were both still in the same league) we'll go next year.
Two of our number declared openly to the stewards outside the turnstiles that they had some unopened cans of lager which we hadn't had time to drink on the way to the ground. Stewards confiscated them (fine, obviously) and were going to let the two lads in with a ticking off but then the Police got involved, took their details, radioed back to check if they had a record (neither of them did) but then decided that they were not going to be let in and in the words of the officer in charge 'were lucky not to be arrested'. So the two of them had to walk back to Edgware then went back into town for the afternoon.
At HT, three Alty fans were accused by the Police (on the say so of a member of the bar staff) of doing cocaine in the toilets, this was without a shred of proof. Subsequently it was found, unsurprisingly, to be total BS.
After the game when the remainder of London Alty went in the main bar for a pint and had just ordered our drinks we were informed by security that they shouldn't have served us as it's home fans only and we should finish our drinks and leave immediately after that.
Barnet also seemed to have one steward for about every five Alty fans and their security operation was oppressive and way OTT more generally. On the pitch tbf we were totally outclassed and they will be right up there at the end. A very good team.
Will be interested to see what the Barnet fan who has been posting on here makes of it but the 'welcome' afforded to away fans at your club is an utter disgrace and I will not give your club a penny in subsequent matches.
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Good summary Russ. There were 96 alty fans there and probably 10 stewards plus police just for us. Bearing in mind it was obviously an external security firm, how can they afford the expense on total crowds of 1500. If non league supporters can't be treated as valued customers rather than universally mistrusted then why bother. Wonder how they'll get on with say Bristol Rovers? anyway, f**k em and let's move on.
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Actually Bristol Rovers and Wrexham enjoyed their visits and I heard no complaints. I guess they are more used to coming to a club whose safety licence was obtained while in League 2 and therefore forces segregation for all games.
As to the East bar, I can only say I warned you
No problem, all the Pubs are 15-20min walk to the ground. There is also a bar for away fans in the West stand that you can get to after going through the turnstyles.
Sadly The Hive tend to prevent away fans using the Bar in the East stand. Have a safe journey and lets hope for a decent game.
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Are you justifying people being accused of taking cocain with no evidence
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I think what annoyed me the most was that, while you could understand the set-up if it was a club like Torquay or Grimsby, this was Barnet - a non-league club for the vast majority of its existence but who now behave as if they're slumming it in the Conference. I'm sometimes a little cynical about the whole 'we're all friends together' idea of non-league football supporting but the hostility and rudeness with which we were treated was as far away from that ideal as could be, and from a club that should know better.
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Are you justifying people being accused of taking cocain with no evidence
Do you think I am?
I've already apologised on behalf of Barnet fans that you didn't enjoy your visit. The Hive isn't Barnet fans and it saddens us all when away fans feel they haven't been treated fairly.
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Who said I didn't enjoy my visit and to be fair mate it's not down to you to apologise for the police
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Actually Bristol Rovers and Wrexham enjoyed their visits and I heard no complaints. I guess they are more used to coming to a club whose safety licence was obtained while in League 2 and therefore forces segregation for all games.
As to the East bar, I can only say I warned you
No problem, all the Pubs are 15-20min walk to the ground. There is also a bar for away fans in the West stand that you can get to after going through the turnstyles.
Sadly The Hive tend to prevent away fans using the Bar in the East stand. Have a safe journey and lets hope for a decent game.
That's bollocks. Segregation isn't something solely used in the football league, so don't claim that the "mighty Wrexham and Bristol Rovers" accept it and enjoy it. Segregation is enforced at most Conference Prem games, but there are only a handful of clubs I could name from my years of following Altrincham that have a heavy handed Stewards approach. Some of my favourite games at this level have been segregated, but the Stewards have been friendly, courteous and good at their jobs. Segregation isn't the issue here.
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Indeed segregation isn't in question.
I've been back today and I'm pretty sure this won't be last we hear of this.
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Interesting, so you think you would've been treated as badly if you had come in and mixed with the home fans?
My point was simply that the fans of some clubs don't like they way they are treated at the Hive and some do. Fans of ex league clubs know they will be searched on entry and turned away if they have alcohol, they are unlikely to wander out of the bar towards the pitch with a pint in their hands and therefore they are less likely to come into conflict with stewards and police.
Lincoln and Woking fans love the place because they can jump up and down and make a lot of noise. Someone claimed that the Hive wouldn't cope with Bristol Rovers coming but actually my experience is that it copes better with a bigger crowd and generally it's those who bring under 100 who feel that there are too many stewards and police, and that they are heavy handed. So I would suggest that segregation of small numbers of away support at the Hive is exactly the reason why they make such a hash of it.
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They have very short memories then. I remember average crowds of around 600 at Underhill before you all got delusions of grandeur.
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also remember enfield being a bigger club than barnet
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also remember enfield being a bigger club than barnet
and Hendon
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And Wealdstone!
By the way I once saw Enfield beat Barnet 7-0 at Underhill in the FA Cup.
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also remember enfield being a bigger club than barnet
Enfield committed suicide by leaving Southbury Road. But in terms of support Barnet always had more. I remember when they played each other in the cup at Enfield and the home support were outnumbered three to one.
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Lincoln and Woking fans love the place because they can jump up and down and make a lot of noise. Someone claimed that the Hive wouldn't cope with Bristol Rovers coming but actually my experience is that it copes better with a bigger crowd and generally it's those who bring under 100 who feel that there are too many stewards and police, and that they are heavy handed. So I would suggest that segregation of small numbers of away support at the Hive is exactly the reason why they make such a hash of it.
Interesting, Lincoln and Woking fans have been on Beeschat or whatever it is called to say that have they? Copy some quotes on here then to confirm that. Just accept that your club are so unwelcoming that this thread is so long. Underhill was a lovely place to go, the bar in the corner was open to all, everyone got on. No axe to grind with Barnet fans, your club owner is a well known difficult character, most of your fans don't like him or where you play now. Stop defending the indefensible.
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Lincoln and Woking fans love the place because they can jump up and down and make a lot of noise. Someone claimed that the Hive wouldn't cope with Bristol Rovers coming but actually my experience is that it copes better with a bigger crowd and generally it's those who bring under 100 who feel that there are too many stewards and police, and that they are heavy handed. So I would suggest that segregation of small numbers of away support at the Hive is exactly the reason why they make such a hash of it.
Interesting, Lincoln and Woking fans have been on Beeschat or whatever it is called to say that have they? Copy some quotes on here then to confirm that. Just accept that your club are so unwelcoming that this thread is so long. Underhill was a lovely place to go, the bar in the corner was open to all, everyone got on. No axe to grind with Barnet fans, your club owner is a well known difficult character, most of your fans don't like him or where you play now. Stop defending the indefensible.
The fact that we are having this discussion about a fifth tier football match is utterly ridiculous. I sometimes think that promotion wasn't such a good thing - this is the 2nd such incident before the end of September. It's going to be a long season.
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As I said before, on arrival at the ground I found the stewards very friendly and helpful. My youngest son was surprised to see the presence of the police.
The bar staff were also pleasant and thanked me for pointing out that they undercharged me when I queried the total for a pint of London p***water and 2 small coca cola's was only £4 - though I kind of regret being so honest when they said it was actually £8, which I view as a rip off. The half time issue was odd and I thought that they were targeting the bar staff as the stewards and police were acting strangely.
I cant see how a non-league club that struggles to get much over 1,000 fans when they are winning, can afford outside security firms. We got poor treatment at Aldershot this season and historically their stewards were good. In comparison, Stockport County stewards were brilliant last season both home and away.
I think most Alty fans find the culture of being 'nice to your face, then stab you in the back', which is rife in the south, hard to accept unlike those of us that live with it.
As for the Police force, the Met are not the worse as our locals cant even implement safe street parking.
I know some of you object to us coming down to their level, but I think that the only way to voice our objection to such treatment is for the club to write to both Barnet and Aldershot and advise that their fans will be segregated and housed solely in our away end for the return fixtures.
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Interesting, Lincoln and Woking fans have been on Beeschat or whatever it is called to say that have they? Copy some quotes on here then to confirm that. Just accept that your club are so unwelcoming that this thread is so long. Underhill was a lovely place to go, the bar in the corner was open to all, everyone got on. No axe to grind with Barnet fans, your club owner is a well known difficult character, most of your fans don't like him or where you play now. Stop defending the indefensible.
As you may have guessed I look back on other forums to see what fans thought of their vist.
This is being discussed on another forum and you can look here if you want to see both Woking and Lincoln fans saying they had no problems
http://www.thefootballforum.net/index.php?/topic/228112-saturday-monday-pre-match-matchday-thread-2022914/page-3
Since we moved there have been fans from four teams who have complained that they were treated poorly. Other than yourselves -
Salisbury (Terrace closed and they had to sit in the stand, the hive changed policy for small away followings after this)
Dartford (Brought a small brewery on the coach and one fan arrested for thowing the pint he had brought onto the terrace at a steward, they are the reason all coaches get searched)
Cambridge (Crowding when trying to leave the game caused a run in between fans and police\stewards, since then a second gate is opened when larger crowds visit and there was no problem with bigger clubs like Luton)
There has been no bar in the corner of underhill for 20 years, the only bar being outside the ground in the cricket pavilion unless you paid for hospitality. Underhill can no longer get conference level grading due to access issues so it's not like there was a choice.
Most fans are happy with our chairman, there are some who are not. He is actually very approachable and can often be found helping out behind the bar. Most of our fans actually prefer the Hive, we have a Back2Barnet campaign to raise funds for a return but so far there has been little appetite for it except amongst a small group of about 20 fans. We have about 100-200 fans who have chosen not to follow the club to the Hive but their number is slowly reducing and a successful season would go a long way to healing the wounds.
That's it from me, I hope you feel less abused by others and have a good season
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You should be a politician Bees Knees if you genuinely think that other forum thread exonerates your club from what was obviously the case yesterday, some of it is not even about Barnet and plenty of it confirms that your stewarding and policing are unacceptable. Many on your own forum are saying that this is becoming a theme and things need to be done. If that was my club's stewards I would be hanging my head in shame and apologising, not trying to defend it.
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I think we're being a bit unkind to the Barnet fan on this thread, who seems a genuine and friendly guy. My argument is not with the Barnet fans but with the structure and set-up of the club at The Hive. It makes me once again appreciate how vital it us for the character of our club that all the people who greet supporters at ML are volunteers and therefore fans, not hired goons. I'm almost glad we didn't win the league in 91 if this is what it would have done to us.
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Interesting, Lincoln and Woking fans have been on Beeschat or whatever it is called to say that have they? Copy some quotes on here then to confirm that. Just accept that your club are so unwelcoming that this thread is so long. Underhill was a lovely place to go, the bar in the corner was open to all, everyone got on. No axe to grind with Barnet fans, your club owner is a well known difficult character, most of your fans don't like him or where you play now. Stop defending the indefensible.
As you may have guessed I look back on other forums to see what fans thought of their vist.
This is being discussed on another forum and you can look here if you want to see both Woking and Lincoln fans saying they had no problems
http://www.thefootballforum.net/index.php?/topic/228112-saturday-monday-pre-match-matchday-thread-2022914/page-3
Since we moved there have been fans from four teams who have complained that they were treated poorly. Other than yourselves -
Salisbury (Terrace closed and they had to sit in the stand, the hive changed policy for small away followings after this)
Dartford (Brought a small brewery on the coach and one fan arrested for thowing the pint he had brought onto the terrace at a steward, they are the reason all coaches get searched)
Cambridge (Crowding when trying to leave the game caused a run in between fans and police\stewards, since then a second gate is opened when larger crowds visit and there was no problem with bigger clubs like Luton)
There has been no bar in the corner of underhill for 20 years, the only bar being outside the ground in the cricket pavilion unless you paid for hospitality. Underhill can no longer get conference level grading due to access issues so it's not like there was a choice.
Most fans are happy with our chairman, there are some who are not. He is actually very approachable and can often be found helping out behind the bar. Most of our fans actually prefer the Hive, we have a Back2Barnet campaign to raise funds for a return but so far there has been little appetite for it except amongst a small group of about 20 fans. We have about 100-200 fans who have chosen not to follow the club to the Hive but their number is slowly reducing and a successful season would go a long way to healing the wounds.
That's it from me, I hope you feel less abused by others and have a good season
The Chester fans weren't happy about the way they were treated when they played their first game in the conference last season.
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I don't see why there was a police presence for 100 of our supporters. We are not exactly known for being a bunch of hooligans. Kidderminster managed our supporters no problem on Tuesday without any police being involved and their stewards seemed quite friendly.
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Good to see the met have excellent intelligence and have researched our history in conjunction with coaches.
And good on bees knees for his comments...sounds a proper non league fan.....no offence! ;D
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The Chester fans weren't happy about the way they were treated when they played their first game in the conference last season.
Chester fans released 6 flares on the pitch, 2 of which were aimed at our keeper. They were then seen urinating in peoples back gardens that border the Hive as they left and were involved in several fights outside Queensbury tube that resulted in arrests. Sorry to say I have no sympathy for them and their actions on the day of the first competitive game at the Hive. Their behaviour goes a good way to explaining why the Met police are so heavy handed as they had to draft in extra officers in a hurry and the local politicians beat us over the head for months afterwards thanks to the small group of Chester fans involved in this. The Hive has no control over how many police officers are allocated to the games.
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/sport/chester-fc-blues-fear-fa-5724086
I'm not looking for exoneration SW, the way you were treated was clearly poor and disappointing to those of us who want the police and stewards to lighten up and allow us all to just enjoy the match. What I wont say is that everyone has been treated in this way or that everyone who comes hates the place as it's simply not true.
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The Chester fans weren't happy about the way they were treated when they played their first game in the conference last season.
Chester fans released 6 flares on the pitch, 2 of which were aimed at our keeper. They were then seen urinating in peoples back gardens that border the Hive as they left and were involved in several fights outside Queensbury tube that resulted in arrests. Sorry to say I have no sympathy for them and their actions on the day of the first competitive game at the Hive. Their behaviour goes a good way to explaining why the Met police are so heavy handed as they had to draft in extra officers in a hurry and the local politicians beat us over the head for months afterwards thanks to the small group of Chester fans involved in this. The Hive has no control over how many police officers are allocated to the games.
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/sport/chester-fc-blues-fear-fa-5724086
I'm not looking for exoneration SW, the way you were treated was clearly poor and disappointing to those of us who want the police and stewards to lighten up and allow us all to just enjoy the match. What I wont say is that everyone has been treated in this way or that everyone who comes hates the place as it's simply not true.
the Chester fans were a disgrace at ours as well
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Underhill - which we last visited in 1990,be it noted - was in essence a non-League ground housing a non-League club. The Hive is a stadium built for a Football League club. For the record, having arrived in advance of most - courtesy of Virgin Trains & the Northern Line - I was treated courteously & with some good humour by the stewards I encountered and enjoyed a pleasant chat with the lady behind the bar (which could do with a seated area, by the way). There was one officious steward who objected to the taking of photographs inside the ground, and the ratio of stewards to supporters did seem excessive (perhaps, as with the police, what you get is a set 'job lot'?). That's my personal experience of Saturday & will clearly be at variance with some others. It seems to me that the key is that Barnet FC is a different animal nowadays - like the majority of the present Conference it has a Football League history, Football League aspirations & Football League mentality, which for someone like me who is essentially a non-League person (if I wanted Football League I could walk 20 minutes from my flat to Ice Station Zebra, aka Boundary Park, home of Oldham Pathetic) is anathema.
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I think we're being a bit unkind to the Barnet fan on this thread, who seems a genuine and friendly guy. My argument is not with the Barnet fans but with the structure and set-up of the club at The Hive. It makes me once again appreciate how vital it us for the character of our club that all the people who greet supporters at ML are volunteers and therefore fans, not hired goons. I'm almost glad we didn't win the league in 91 if this is what it would have done to us.
Agreed - its not 'Bees Knee's' fault! The police and stewards seem to have adopted a zero tolerance stance with clubs of ALL sizes. A little research from the Police would have revealed that Altrincham's visiting fans offered little threat by way of public disturbance and it should have been policed/stewarded as such. It wasn't and it has understandably pi55ed a few people off. I've no problem with any of Barnet's fans - most of whom probably aren't aware of the away supporter experience at the Hive...
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I appreciate that the higher up you go, the tighter things like security get and I have no problem with segregation etc.
However as I said to the "deputy safety officer" on the day, you won't get many easier away ends to police than the Alty one and attitudes should be adjusted as such.
I don't need a steward to face me all game, I'm not that interesting. When they saw that no one with the remotest look or actions of a hooligan had arrived they should have taken it as a nice easy day and stood people down.
I have never had a coach searched in 20 years of running one, never ever seen a drugs bust at an Alty game ( or any game! ) or seen respectable fans denied entry for a couple of cans of ale that they voluntarily advised they would give up? It was only missing someone being bitten by an alsatian for good measure.
Fair play to the Barnet fans who carries on supporting their team and were kind enough not to rip it out of us, no issue with them at all.
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I think we're being a bit unkind to the Barnet fan on this thread, who seems a genuine and friendly guy. My argument is not with the Barnet fans but with the structure and set-up of the club at The Hive. It makes me once again appreciate how vital it us for the character of our club that all the people who greet supporters at ML are volunteers and therefore fans, not hired goons. I'm almost glad we didn't win the league in 91 if this is what it would have done to us.
Agreed - its not 'Bees Knee's' fault! The police and stewards seem to have adopted a zero tolerance stance with clubs of ALL sizes. A little research from the Police would have revealed that Altrincham's visiting fans offered little threat by way of public disturbance and it should have been policed/stewarded as such. It wasn't and it has understandably pi55ed a few people off. I've no problem with any of Barnet's fans - most of whom probably aren't aware of the away supporter experience at the Hive...
On the basis that the Met reat all visiting clubs alike then we can assume that they have nothing else to do. A little research and intelligence would save them, and the club, a tidy sum over a season.
When you get promoted or relegated you review all areas of the clubs operation - that seems to me to make simple sense.
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This could be timely - the FSF would like to hear from those who went (I didn't), they campaign on issues like this. I'd suggest that those who had a bad experience on Saturday send this survey back - they will act on it ;-) The FSF Chairman, Malcolm Clarke lives in Sale and is a regular at Moss Lane (despite being a Stoke City fan).
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/?sm=d6yNJmh76Tq7L8ZB7UWaLO2IgAuEiIP18tOh2nINSIY%3d
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I appreciate that the higher up you go, the tighter things like security get and I have no problem with segregation etc.
However as I said to the "deputy safety officer" on the day, you won't get many easier away ends to police than the Alty one and attitudes should be adjusted as such.
I don't need a steward to face me all game, I'm not that interesting. When they saw that no one with the remotest look or actions of a hooligan had arrived they should have taken it as a nice easy day and stood people down.
I have never had a coach searched in 20 years of running one, never ever seen a drugs bust at an Alty game ( or any game! ) or seen respectable fans denied entry for a couple of cans of ale that they voluntarily advised they would give up? It was only missing someone being bitten by an alsatian for good measure.
Fair play to the Barnet fans who carries on supporting their team and were kind enough not to rip it out of us, no issue with them at all.
Spot on
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This could be timely - the FSF would like to hear from those who went (I didn't), they campaign on issues like this. I'd suggest that those who had a bad experience on Saturday send this survey back - they will act on it ;-) The FSF Chairman, Malcolm Clarke lives in Sale and is a regular at Moss Lane (despite being a Stoke City fan).
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/?sm=d6yNJmh76Tq7L8ZB7UWaLO2IgAuEiIP18tOh2nINSIY%3d
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Done!
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I appreciate that the higher up you go, the tighter things like security get and I have no problem with segregation etc.
However as I said to the "deputy safety officer" on the day, you won't get many easier away ends to police than the Alty one and attitudes should be adjusted as such.
I don't need a steward to face me all game, I'm not that interesting. When they saw that no one with the remotest look or actions of a hooligan had arrived they should have taken it as a nice easy day and stood people down.
I have never had a coach searched in 20 years of running one, never ever seen a drugs bust at an Alty game ( or any game! ) or seen respectable fans denied entry for a couple of cans of ale that they voluntarily advised they would give up? It was only missing someone being bitten by an alsatian for good measure.
Fair play to the Barnet fans who carries on supporting their team and were kind enough not to rip it out of us, no issue with them at all.
Spot on
Seconded
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Have you seen the amount of police at the Chester v Wrexham game bit ott
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Have you seen the amount of police at the Chester v Wrexham game bit ott
Doesn't surprise me. Wasn't their last meeting in the Football League where the game kicked off at midday on 27th December,which was on a Wednesday?
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Talking of derbies and police , I wonder if their will be any at the macc game ?
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Talking of derbies and police , I wonder if their will be any at the macc game ?
by our own posts on here why would there be ?
We don't cause trouble and we have not played for 17 years
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I'm sure the game will be policed, due to the large crowd expected and the large away following expected. We won't chance another Chester situation.
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Have you seen the amount of police at the Chester v Wrexham game bit ott
Doesn't surprise me. Wasn't their last meeting in the Football League where the game kicked off at midday on 27th December,which was on a Wednesday?
no, they played each other twice last season.
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I'm sure the game will be policed, due to the large crowd expected and the large away following expected. We won't chance another Chester situation.
Apparently they had a few idiots following them in their league days .better being safe than sorry
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I've been to a Wrexham Chester game and I can say catagorically that they can't get enough police in for that particular game.
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I'm sure the game will be policed, due to the large crowd expected and the large away following expected. We won't chance another Chester situation.
Apparently they had a few idiots following them in their league days .better being safe than sorry
Yes let's ensure that there stewards face them all game as well all game and that they are unwelcome in our bar too
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I'm sorry but I couldn't resist the irony of this thread from start to finish is incredible
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Have you seen the amount of police at the Chester v Wrexham game bit ott
Doesn't surprise me. Wasn't their last meeting in the Football League where the game kicked off at midday on 27th December,which was on a Wednesday?
no, they played each other twice last season.
Sorry. Should read their last meeting , in the Football League (i.e. the season Wrexham were relegated to the Conference)
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I'm sorry but I couldn't resist the irony of this thread from start to finish is incredible
Did you go Saturday if I didn't I wouldn't comment if you did then fair enough
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I'm sorry but I couldn't resist the irony of this thread from start to finish is incredible
Did you go Saturday if I didn't I wouldn't comment if you did then fair enough
i didn't but what that has to do me pointing out the irony of this thread and how it has turned out is beyond me
It's a forum ill comment on what I want
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I'm sorry but I couldn't resist the irony of this thread from start to finish is incredible
Did you go Saturday if I didn't I wouldn't comment if you did then fair enough
i didn't but what that has to do me pointing out the irony of this thread and how it has turned out is beyond me
It's a forum ill comment on what I want
Stalin
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I'm sorry but I couldn't resist the irony of this thread from start to finish is incredible
Did you go Saturday if I didn't I wouldn't comment if you did then fair enough
i didn't but what that has to do me pointing out the irony of this thread and how it has turned out is beyond me
It's a forum ill comment on what I want
Stalin
??? Perspective please ladies and gentlemen.
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Any London Alty/Cockney Alty can get to this? : http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/institute-of-ideas-event-in-association-with-the-fsf
Sounds like a good event to get the point across?
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Any London Alty/Cockney Alty can get to this? : http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/institute-of-ideas-event-in-association-with-the-fsf
Sounds like a good event to get the point across?
Will certainly look to attend.
I've also completed their questionnaire on our visit to The Hive, I would recommend other involved do too.
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All a bit odd it's not good form to check innocent people for cocain because the was dust on a hand dryer
If you like the thrill or high or whatever that comes with taking cocaine or indeed any other drug (not my thing incidentally) what would you do, go to a soulless out of town football ground with lots of police there to take it while watching your team get comprehensively thumped and pay £17 for the privilege or would you just go 15 mins on the tube to one of the world's greatest, liveliest, most cosmopolitan cities where you can take it in Soho, Camden Town etc etc?
I mean seriously..
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And if you were would you do it in a locked toilet cubicle or just stand in the middle of the toilet area on the hand dryer were anyone would walk in...