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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: joe on August 12, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
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I know we've slightly improved the squad over the summer but surely not enough to start pissing around?! I'm fully aware that Scott Leather is currently unavailable but surely Nicky Clee and Damian Reeves have to start when fit which tonight it appears they were,especially at home!!
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Agreed.
Reeves & Gillespie
Clee + Williams or Richman + Crowther
Cav
For me the front of the team has to look like this from the off. Get some consistency and fluency from playing together. Ok the rest might lack a bit of match fitness but we can't keep shuffling them round trying to keep them all fit 'just in case we need them'.
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Maybe saving the main strike force for the weaker teams?
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I actually thought the team may have been right tonight and i can understand the rotation this early in the season if players are not yet 100% match fit.
Problem for me was that Reeves and Clee should have come on when we were on top to pile more pressure on. Instead in my opinion the subs were brought on after Lincoln weathered the storm and Alty lost a little of their stride. 10 minutes earlier with the subs and they would have been effective. Instead they made no real difference.
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Maybe saving the main strike force for the weaker teams?
I can tell from the tentativeness of this post Hamilton that even you don't really believe this, it's just the only remotely possible idea.
I also believe that you, like I, think it'd be a terrible idea.
I would just add, having not been able to attend, that perhaps like Boss Hogg says, we're not that good to piss about. I think we've missed a chance to show some real positive intent tonight with Reeves, Clee, Moult etc. We needed to make a statement. We didn't.
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As I said in my post on Saturday, after Sinnott's back 4 rotation, which I was slaughtered for, the guy's clueless and we're going to have to put up with it.
If anyone can genuinely convince me what Perry can offer that Reeves can't then I'm all ears.
Answers such as 'he played well against Stalybridge and Histon last year' won't do.
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Maybe saving the main strike force for the weaker teams?
I can tell from the tentativeness of this post Hamilton that even you don't really believe this, it's just the only remotely possible idea.
I also believe that you, like I, think it'd be a terrible idea.
I would just add, having not been able to attend, that perhaps like Boss Hogg says, we're not that good to piss about. I think we've missed a chance to show some real positive intent tonight with Reeves, Clee, Moult etc. We needed to make a statement. We didn't.
Agreed! We need to play our best available team.
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As I said in my post on Saturday, after Sinnott's back 4 rotation, which I was slaughtered for, the guy's clueless and we're going to have to put up with it.
If anyone can genuinely convince me what Perry can offer that Reeves can't then I'm all ears.
Answers such as 'he played well against Stalybridge and Histon last year' won't do.
I'm sure someone will come and have a try.
I do wonder what on earth LS is thinking sometimes. It could be a brand of evil genius, I really don't get it.
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It was the inability to get shots on target that cost us. Lincoln might have looked and played like a full-time team physically but they lacked much in the way of threat, and their number 23's weaknesses should have been exploited. Lincoln worked two good chances and scored from them, and that's what counts.
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As I said in my post on Saturday, after Sinnott's back 4 rotation, which I was slaughtered for, the guy's clueless and we're going to have to put up with it.
If anyone can genuinely convince me what Perry can offer that Reeves can't then I'm all ears.
Answers such as 'he played well against Stalybridge and Histon last year' won't do.
I actually thought Perry played quite well tonight, he was strong, held it up well and laid it off well a few times too.
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Two defeats and still not in the relegation places. Every cloud ....
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My honest assessment of tonight's game is that both teams were awful. There's not really a lot else left to say. If I could think of anything positive I'd post it. Stu has been great for us, but he is glued to his line and opposition forwards are sensing his hesitation in the same way as they can sense the panic in Marshall. I understand that loyalty is important in life, but Lee will have to start thinking about whether it really is a sensible idea starting both James Lawrie and Kyle Perry. I can see Kyle's role as an impact player from the bench, but poor James is completely out of his depth at this level. Was Mike Williams even in the squad tonight? I'm truly sorry for the injury he got last season, as he did look a class act, but we cannot afford to be sentimental in this league. Without Scott we needed a fit replacement in the event of injuries and if Mike can't provide that sort of cover, he really needs to leave. Having said that, Jake did his best at right back and that is the only positive I can think of. If I had just one question for Lee I'd ask him what his aversion is to having Nicky and Ryan on the pitch at the same time. I mean are they allergic to each other? I really didn't want to be so negative so early in the season, but I can't see Lincoln scoring two in a game for the rest of the season.
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Agreed.
Reeves & Gillespie
Clee + Williams or Richman + Crowther
Cav
For me the front of the team has to look like this from the off. Get some consistency and fluency from playing together. Ok the rest might lack a bit of match fitness but we can't keep shuffling them round trying to keep them all fit 'just in case we need them'.
Williams over richman and you have the correct front 6
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I honestly think he thought he could win it putting Reeves and Clee on for the last fifteen minutes. Unfortunately Lincoln's subs gave them a bit more cohesion which helped create their second goal. It's easy to always blame your own defence for goals conceded but you have to give some credit to the attacking side sometimes.
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My honest assessment of tonight's game is that both teams were awful. There's not really a lot else left to say. If I could think of anything positive I'd post it. Stu has been great for us, but he is glued to his line and opposition forwards are sensing his hesitation in the same way as they can sense the panic in Marshall. I understand that loyalty is important in life, but Lee will have to start thinking about whether it really is a sensible idea starting both James Lawrie and Kyle Perry. I can see Kyle's role as an impact player from the bench, but poor James is completely out of his depth at this level. Was Mike Williams even in the squad tonight? I'm truly sorry for the injury he got last season, as he did look a class act, but we cannot afford to be sentimental in this league. Without Scott we needed a fit replacement in the event of injuries and if Mike can't provide that sort of cover, he really needs to leave. Having said that, Jake did his best at right back and that is the only positive I can think of. If I had just one question for Lee I'd ask him what his aversion is to having Nicky and Ryan on the pitch at the same time. I mean are they allergic to each other? I really didn't want to be so negative so early in the season, but I can't see Lincoln scoring two in a game for the rest of the season.
You thought Lincoln were awful? Really? That 2nd goal was a brilliant move. They looked strong in defence and well drilled in other areas of the pitch, not fantastic but certainly not awful either.
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Mike Williams wasn't in the squad. He was subbed at half time on Saturday by which time he was wearing a "blood shirt". Does it not occur to people that he just might be injured ?
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My honest assessment of tonight's game is that both teams were awful. There's not really a lot else left to say. If I could think of anything positive I'd post it. Stu has been great for us, but he is glued to his line and opposition forwards are sensing his hesitation in the same way as they can sense the panic in Marshall. I understand that loyalty is important in life, but Lee will have to start thinking about whether it really is a sensible idea starting both James Lawrie and Kyle Perry. I can see Kyle's role as an impact player from the bench, but poor James is completely out of his depth at this level. Was Mike Williams even in the squad tonight? I'm truly sorry for the injury he got last season, as he did look a class act, but we cannot afford to be sentimental in this league. Without Scott we needed a fit replacement in the event of injuries and if Mike can't provide that sort of cover, he really needs to leave. Having said that, Jake did his best at right back and that is the only positive I can think of. If I had just one question for Lee I'd ask him what his aversion is to having Nicky and Ryan on the pitch at the same time. I mean are they allergic to each other? I really didn't want to be so negative so early in the season, but I can't see Lincoln scoring two in a game for the rest of the season.
You thought Lincoln were awful? Really? That 2nd goal was a brilliant move. They looked strong in defence and well drilled in other areas of the pitch, not fantastic but certainly not awful either.
No better than mid table to be perfectly honest.
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Every time a cross goes into our penalty area, the opposition look as if they are going to score. There is zero confidence in the keeper or the centre halves I'm afraid and if we are serious about being in this league, that will have to change asap.
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Alty. Have every chance of competing at this level but I'd be amazed if we beat anyone without clee and reeves infact we wouldn't beat sides in the leauge below not playing them we saw that last season when they were rested or dropped and not play both of them is madness
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I honestly think he thought he could win it putting Reeves and Clee on for the last fifteen minutes. Unfortunately Lincoln's subs gave them a bit more cohesion which helped create their second goal. It's easy to always blame your own defence for goals conceded but you have to give some credit to the attacking side sometimes.
I agree, against teams this early in the season when players are not fully fit two games in 4 days can tell. If Clee and Reeves came on when we had them on the rack to put more pressure on we could have done it, if Crowthers shot that hit the bar had gone in we could have done it. We were not far away tonight, but unfortunately to stay up it is these home games we need to get points from.
Not all doom and gloom but certainly we need to improve.
I actually thought we gave a good account of ourselves tonight, but we just need to find that little extra and that will be Scott Leather, Reeves and Clee on from the start once everyone is at match fitness.
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Every time a cross goes into our penalty area, the opposition look as if they are going to score. There is zero confidence in the keeper or the centre halves I'm afraid and if we are serious about being in this league, that will have to change asap.
Agreed, and this happened a lot last year. Off the top of my head, I can remember Leamington, Telford, Worcester and Harrogate all scoring sucker blows from set pieces.
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I think there were quite a few positives tonight, I disagree that Lincoln were awful but it's about opinions I guess.
I said on another thread that we could not use the same 11 game after game for fitness reasons. I didn't mean drop Reeves and Clee at home in the second game.
That was a terrible decision and one I hope I don't see again. I'm really angry that we handicapped ourselves like that from the off.
It's not all doom and gloom but that was not the right team tonight and has taken the edge of a match I have been looking forward to for three years before it even started.
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Agree Lincoln were not awfull however more impressed by aldershot
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I don't agree with the match report's assertion that Altrincham were overpowered by a strong Lincoln side. I'd assert they were undone by two good moves.
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don't know where to start. we"ve been down the Perry over Reeves road before and it was bollox then and its bollox now.
No idea why Crowther came off and not Lawrie
as its looks like Densmore has broke his big toe there's another spannner in works.
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It would not have made a cat in hells difference had we started Nicky and Reevsey tonight. There is such little confidence in our defence that I stick to my assertion that Lincoln would have struggled to score two goals against any other team in our league. Aldershot I'd say looked midtable. Lincoln looked bottom six/eight.
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Aldershot and Lincoln will both finish in mid table. I wish I could describe our prospects with the same degree of confidence.
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Lincoln were underwhelming but I'm not sure if that's because they were genuinely just an average team or if they were just out to put in a professional performance.
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I think Lee has no idea what his best staring 11 is which is going to be a real problem if he doesn't work it out quickly!
He should play Wilkinson/Lawrie just off a lone striker, we also need to get Crowther and Clee on the pitch at the SAME time. I don't think 4-4-2 will cut it this year
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Perry has impressed me last 2 games and i'm not his biggest fan to say the least. Lincoln had a very physical side and Perry could compete with the big defenders. I would rather have seen Reeves start though.
Anyway Crowther. I love him already. He is the pace we lacked without Dunc and he looked really hard to deal with, looking forward to seeing more of him!!
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Although we didn't come out of Aldershot with many "significant" injuries I would bet (were i allowed to) that there were some wear and tear injuries, bumps and bruises and the like.
As we all know, we aren't full time so, rather than come in yesterday for a massage a sauna, treatment if needed and some recovery work, our lads were at work.
Maybe therefore some of them weren't quite 100% for a second game so soon after the previous one and, rather than risk aggravating a minor knock, turning it into a 3 or 4 week job the decision was made to start one or two from the bench.
I would imagine that as the season progresses and the players become more used to this level the recovery time will reduce.
Didn't see the first goal but one of the scouts who was watching described it as an excellent cross and a finish you would normally expect against a promoted side in the first 3 or 4 games. Second goal was a good goal.
We did hit the woodwork and make their keeper pull off some saves
Not all is doom and gloom people honestly
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Massive bollock dropped last night, lincoln werent even that good
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Agree with ATS exactly my sentiments.
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Maybe saving the main strike force for the weaker teams?
I can tell from the tentativeness of this post Hamilton that even you don't really believe this, it's just the only remotely possible idea.
I also believe that you, like I, think it'd be a terrible idea.
I would just add, having not been able to attend, that perhaps like Boss Hogg says, we're not that good to piss about. I think we've missed a chance to show some real positive intent tonight with Reeves, Clee, Moult etc. We needed to make a statement. We didn't.
it was a farce ballers
The man is a clown
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Although we didn't come out of Aldershot with many "significant" injuries I would bet (were i allowed to) that there were some wear and tear injuries, bumps and bruises and the like.
As we all know, we aren't full time so, rather than come in yesterday for a massage a sauna, treatment if needed and some recovery work, our lads were at work.
Maybe therefore some of them weren't quite 100% for a second game so soon after the previous one and, rather than risk aggravating a minor knock, turning it into a 3 or 4 week job the decision was made to start one or two from the bench.
I would imagine that as the season progresses and the players become more used to this level the recovery time will reduce.
Didn't see the first goal but one of the scouts who was watching described it as an excellent cross and a finish you would normally expect against a promoted side in the first 3 or 4 games. Second goal was a good goal.
We did hit the woodwork and make their keeper pull off some saves
Not all is doom and gloom people honestly
This is a fair post however if we're going to be brutally honest we will not win a game at this level if reeves and clee are left out in the same match
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Although we didn't come out of Aldershot with many "significant" injuries I would bet (were i allowed to) that there were some wear and tear injuries, bumps and bruises and the like.
As we all know, we aren't full time so, rather than come in yesterday for a massage a sauna, treatment if needed and some recovery work, our lads were at work.
Maybe therefore some of them weren't quite 100% for a second game so soon after the previous one and, rather than risk aggravating a minor knock, turning it into a 3 or 4 week job the decision was made to start one or two from the bench.
I would imagine that as the season progresses and the players become more used to this level the recovery time will reduce.
Didn't see the first goal but one of the scouts who was watching described it as an excellent cross and a finish you would normally expect against a promoted side in the first 3 or 4 games. Second goal was a good goal.
We did hit the woodwork and make their keeper pull off some saves
Not all is doom and gloom people honestly
This is a fair post however if we're going to be brutally honest we will not win a game at this level if reeves and clee are left out in the same match
Why should we assume that a player who was fit enough for the bench and actually came on in the game is really injured rather than accept that the manager made a mistake? Benefit of the doubt occasionally but it happens far too often, Lee "rests" players far more often than we can afford. If the players aren't fit enough for two games in a week this early in the season then there was something wrong with our pre-season!
edit: confirmed as squad rotation by Neil in the interview so ATS's excuse is nonsense
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Just to clarify it wasn't an excuse
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Squad rotation can mean that you are not risking players with minor knocks. i.e. you choose to "rest" players rather than risk turning wear and tear/tiredness into a "real" injury
However this of course cannot be right because the Manager is a clueless buffoon who has never managed before nor ever achieved anything and the medical staff actually work on the first aid counter at Boots
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Ok fair enough Sinnott can't do anything wrong
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So please tell me where I said that?
You can't!! Oh what a surprise that isn't as I never actually said it.
Anyway I have now listened to the interview and if what I have (obviously unsuccessfully) described isn't (quote) keeping players fresh (end quote) then I'm not sure what is
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There is a happy medium ATS - I didn't accuse you of saying he can't do anything wrong nor did I say he can't do anything right.
On Tuesday he 'rested' players who most people thought should play, one of whom a supporter claims to have spoken to while he was warming up and said he was "fine", both of whom were fit enough to play at least half an hour. Correct me if I'm wrong but your suggestion that they were actually carrying knocks was mere speculation. Presumably an attempt to defend the manager from our criticism. I would suggest that a) he is capable of doing that for himself or at least getting his assistant to do it in an interview and b) we are grown ups and well aware of the remote possibility that both these players picked up mysterious minor knocks.
My belief is still that the manager decided to rest a fit Reeves and Clee and that this was a mistake. For the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying it's a mistake he should be sacked for!
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In my opinion he rested two attacking players who could come on fresh and roast the opposition when they got tired at the start of the season playing 2 games in 4 days.
I think if that was the plan it is a fair plan (at this stage of the season). Once players are fitter then this plan I dont think would hold water as fitness levels improve and players can easily last 90 minutes.
My issue is that we were killing them and all over them for about 10 minutes. He should have made the subs then and not waited until all our other players were burnt out from the extra effort.
So in my eyes a good plan but executed 10 minutes too late.
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So please tell me where I said that?
You can't!! Oh what a surprise that isn't as I never actually said it.
Anyway I have now listened to the interview and if what I have (obviously unsuccessfully) described isn't (quote) keeping players fresh (end quote) then I'm not sure what is
Do you have to say it you defend him no matter what
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In my opinion he rested two attacking players who could come on fresh and roast the opposition when they got tired at the start of the season playing 2 games in 4 days.
I think if that was the plan it is a fair plan (at this stage of the season). Once players are fitter then this plan I dont think would hold water as fitness levels improve and players can easily last 90 minutes.
My issue is that we were killing them and all over them for about 10 minutes. He should have made the subs then and not waited until all our other players were burnt out from the extra effort.
So in my eyes a good plan but executed 10 minutes too late.
To be fair with the timing of the subs he had to do them fairly late because moult went on for dens so early thus leaving only 2 subs for the remaing 70 mins
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If anyone can genuinely convince me what Perry can offer that Reeves can't then I'm all ears.
Answers such as 'he played well against Stalybridge and Histon last year' won't do.
Gillespie is about 5'9
Reeves is about 5'9
Perry is about 6'2
Both the Lincoln centrebacks were about 6'3
maybe Sinnott thought he'd try and play someone capable of challenging in the air as opposed to two shorter players?????
Also, i heard Reeves was working late plastering and didn't get to Moss Lane until 7pm and wasn't fully warmed up.
Perry had an afternoon modelling shoot but was at the ground for 6pm.
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In my opinion he rested two attacking players who could come on fresh and roast the opposition when they got tired at the start of the season playing 2 games in 4 days.
I think if that was the plan it is a fair plan (at this stage of the season). Once players are fitter then this plan I dont think would hold water as fitness levels improve and players can easily last 90 minutes.
My issue is that we were killing them and all over them for about 10 minutes. He should have made the subs then and not waited until all our other players were burnt out from the extra effort.
So in my eyes a good plan but executed 10 minutes too late.
To be fair with the timing of the subs he had to do them fairly late because moult went on for dens so early thus leaving only 2 subs for the remaing 70 mins
Fair point Jimmy.
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maybe Sinnott thought he'd try and play someone capable of challenging in the air as opposed to two shorter players?????
Why? The only person likely to do that is Marshall. He should know by now that Perry can't jump. He can't challenge big centre halves, he can't actually stay on two feet. His centre of gravity is too high. Reeves can and does out jump him.
But this appears to be one of Sinnott's traits. The inability to see the fkn obvious.
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If anyone can genuinely convince me what Perry can offer that Reeves can't then I'm all ears.
Answers such as 'he played well against Stalybridge and Histon last year' won't do.
Gillespie is about 5'9
Reeves is about 5'9
Perry is about 6'2
Both the Lincoln centrebacks were about 6'3
maybe Sinnott thought he'd try and play someone capable of challenging in the air as opposed to two shorter players?????
Also, i heard Reeves was working late plastering and didn't get to Moss Lane until 7pm and wasn't fully warmed up.
Perry had an afternoon modelling shoot but was at the ground for 6pm.
Fair point in principle about Perry's height.
However, I am 6 foot 3 but, like Perry I can't jump either.
He is no better an aerial threat than Reeves or Gillespie.
He brings nothing that Gillespie and Reeves can't bring but they do it 10 times better.
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'squad rotation' = 'don't know my best 11'
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Rod Thornley wasn't particularly tall but could outjump anyone.
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Rod Thornley wasn't particularly tall but could outjump anyone.
Apart from Lewis Chalmers who really could out jump everyone........normally by jumping early and then levitating
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We ought to have a whip round and get KPa trampette.
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We ought to have a whip round and get KPa trampette.
Is that a kind of dubious cheerleader? :D