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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Bath Alty on July 29, 2014, 09:50:44 PM
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So what do you reckon is our strongest line up?
Having not seen any pre-season my uneducated guess:
Coburn
Densmore Havern Leather M Williams
Crowther S Williams Richman Clee
Reeves Gillespie
Subs: Parton, Griffin, Kavanagh, Lawrie, Perry
not in 16: Moult, Wilkinson, Marshall, Brown, King, Samburg, Gilroy
Jake not even on the bench feels wrong but who else so you leave out? Nice problem to have for Lee
Squad looks a bit big? How many injuries before Wilkinson makes the pitch?
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griffin to edge out m williams at least for now, think crowther may start sub and richman right mid , not sure if cavanagh will be match fit enough to start v aldershot ? moult bench at least
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I would be more than happy having parton as goalkeeper he looks assured confident and against accy played well stuart has got some serious worries
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Parton would be my Number 1 with Stuart a very able deputy.
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I must admit I was happy we'd signed a potential first choice keeper. Crowther seems to have been playing well in pre-season according to Radio robins and I can't work out who to drop for Jake? Doesn't make sense to leave the new signing out of the 16 surely?
Parton
Dens Luca Scott Griffin
Crowther Richman S Williams Clee
Gillespie Reeves
Stu, Williams, Cavanagh, Lawrie, Perry
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Do we still just get the 5 subs in the Conf Prem?
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against the shots I reckon this could be the line up
parton
leather marshall havern
densmore griff
s William kannagh
gillespe reeves crowther
subs clee ,richman,m Williams,coburn,perry
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Not sure I'd play 5 at the back hash and not sure i wouldev kept Marshall also were normally clueless without clee but it's all about opinions
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If I were picking the team to play Aldershot on the evidence seen so far, I'd be going 3-5-2 as follows :
Parton
Leather Havern Marshall
Densmore Richman S.Williams Moult Crowther
Gillespie Reeves
Subs : Coburn, M.Williams, Griffin, Cavanagh, Clee
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fair point jim just thinking more defensive away from home against a big team and marshall is looking like a bruiser we need at the back with the mouth with dens and griff higher up the pitch on the counter either way its still the strongest squad ive seen at alty for a long time , better than last time we were in the national , and tbh the national isn't as strong as last time we were there
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Very difficult to call because the club (Lee, Neil and Ian) have brought in some good players - and in doing so have created options...................for me you have to start with Nicky Clee if fit and so far I think Dave Parton has more work to do before he pushes Stuart out........although absolutely no disrespect intended, this needs to happen sometime before season 2016 !
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Parton
Densmore
Griffin
Luca
Leather
Cavannagh
Richman
S Williams
Crowther
Clee
Gillespie
Reeves
Perry
Moult
M Williams
Stu
Very hard on the likes of Lawrie, Marshall and Wilkinson
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Ill show my arse if he doesn't start Perry.
He signed a class centre forward in Walshaw last year then left either him or Reeves on the bench.
Why do people think he'd so anything different this year?
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Either way we have a good first X1 AND just as importantly a very good bench.
Exciting.
However the games will be tough and I expect a rough but enjoyable ride this season.
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Do we still just get the 5 subs in the Conf Prem?
Think we have seven subs in the conf prem.
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It's amazing how perception becomes reality. Perry started 16 league games last season compared to Reeves 39 & Walshaw 35. Personally I think Perry's use is as a sub, as someone said on another thread, what he does well no one else does and there are games when he comes on, does his thing and is effective. But I'd expect Reeves & Gillespie to start more often than not. Every now and again Perry will start, we'll all wonder what the thinking behind it is, and if we lose some people will blame Perry even if he plays well
Coburn
Densmore Leather Havern M Williams
Crowther Cavanagh S Williams Clee
Gillespie Reeves
Subs: Parton, Marshall/Griffin, Perry, Richman/Moult Lawrie/Wilkinson
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It's amazing how perception becomes reality. Perry started 16 league games last season compared to Reeves 39 & Walshaw 35. Personally I think Perry's use is as a sub, as someone said on another thread, what he does well no one else does and there are games when he comes on, does his thing and is effective. But I'd expect Reeves & Gillespie to start more often than not. Every now and again Perry will start, we'll all wonder what the thinking behind it is, and if we lose some people will blame Perry even if he plays well
Coburn
Densmore Leather Havern M Williams
Crowther Cavanagh S Williams Clee
Gillespie Reeves
Subs: Parton, Marshall/Griffin, Perry, Richman/Moult Lawrie/Wilkinson
That's exactly the team I'd go with - apart from putting the midfield into a more obvious diamond (Liverpool-esque)
You've paired the midfield subs up well - any one of the former pair for Cav, any one of the latter pair for Williams. All can cover Clee and Crowther out wide if absolutely necessary, although this should be last resort for me.
I think Moult and Richman can thrive in a sitting role if they understand that is the role required of them, similarly Lawrie should hopefully thrive in his favoured position when he's on the pitch.
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I would be more than happy having parton as goalkeeper he looks assured confident and against accy played well stuart has got some serious worries
Last evening comprised my first sighting of Parton and, whilst he performed OK overall, he was surely at fault for Accrington's goal direct from the free kick, wasn't he....?
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I've only seen a couple of pre-season games (at Mossley & Hyde) but would venture the following -
Griffin would be the more logical choice at left-back; I have my worries about his pace (or lack of) but fear Mike Williams is suspect in the same way.
Coburn is never very convincing pre-season but I am of the opinion that this will be his last campaign - I hope it won't prove a bridge too far.
I don't imagine that Crowther has been brought here to be a sub, though I wasn't convinced by him on Saturday.
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I suspect we'll have one up front more often than people think this season.
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Do we still just get the 5 subs in the Conf Prem?
Think we have seven subs in the conf prem.
As I have said before.
If we are allowed seven subs, that is why the squad is bigger than last year.
So back to the team drawing board for sum!!!!
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Do we still just get the 5 subs in the Conf Prem?
Think we have seven subs in the conf prem.
As I have said before.
If we are allowed seven subs, that is why the squad is bigger than last year.
So back to the team drawing board for sum!!!!
Only five substitutes in last season's Conference....if that's any guide:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27360422 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27360422)
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I suspect we'll have one up front more often than people think this season.
I'm not so sure Sinnott is an attacking manager
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Agree with jimmy, he won't throw his principles out of the window, one thing we do know with lee is his passion for football being played properly. Sure there's more than one way to skin a cat, but our personnel are designed around having two up top. And I'd sooner give it a go in these away games than set up to draw 0-0 and lose 0-1, anyone who went to Torquay on valentines day to be met with Jody banim upfront as a lone striker will probably agree with me. It was a good idea on paper, this one one upfront stuff, it rarely worked. Let them worry about us, they'll all be expected to beat altrincham at home.We know we've always got a goal in us
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Agree with jimmy, he won't throw his principles out of the window, one thing we do know with lee is his passion for football being played properly. Sure there's more than one way to skin a cat, but our personnel are designed around having two up top. And I'd sooner give it a go in these away games than set up to draw 0-0 and lose 0-1, anyone who went to Torquay on valentines day to be met with Jody banim upfront as a lone striker will probably agree with me. It was a good idea on paper, this one one upfront stuff, it rarely worked. Let them worry about us, they'll all be expected to beat altrincham at home.We know we've always got a goal in us
We have a much better side now than back then i expect us to give most teams a game even away .hopefully we will be underestimated
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To be fair we are in a much better position financially that's why we're a better team aswell
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To be fair we are in a much better position financially that's why we're a better team aswell
Agreed
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I would be more than happy having parton as goalkeeper he looks assured confident and against accy played well stuart has got some serious worries
Last evening comprised my first sighting of Parton and, whilst he performed OK overall, he was surely at fault for Accrington's goal direct from the free kick, wasn't he....?
I thought so as well.......Thought the kick was well taken, but felt sure Stuart would have got it.
I think the expectation is that this lad may be the one that finally pushes Stu onto the bench and long term this has to be a good thing, but as said on an earlier thread he has still some work to do to get the No1 jersey
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I would be more than happy having parton as goalkeeper he looks assured confident and against accy played well stuart has got some serious worries
Last evening comprised my first sighting of Parton and, whilst he performed OK overall, he was surely at fault for Accrington's goal direct from the free kick, wasn't he....?
I thought so as well.......Thought the kick was well taken, but felt sure Stuart would have got it.
I think the expectation is that this lad may be the one that finally pushes Stu onto the bench and long term this has to be a good thing, but as said on an earlier thread he has still some work to do to get the No1 jersey
Not seen him play but I am sure he knows the situation, that we're looking to replace Stuart in due course. Stuart should start leaving David Parton needing to work at it. He knows that we want him for the long term.
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Agree with jimmy, he won't throw his principles out of the window, one thing we do know with lee is his passion for football being played properly. Sure there's more than one way to skin a cat, but our personnel are designed around having two up top. And I'd sooner give it a go in these away games than set up to draw 0-0 and lose 0-1, anyone who went to Torquay on valentines day to be met with Jody banim upfront as a lone striker will probably agree with me. It was a good idea on paper, this one one upfront stuff, it rarely worked. Let them worry about us, they'll all be expected to beat altrincham at home.We know we've always got a goal in us
I know it's hardly an original point but I think we (and everyone else) really over-value the draw.
Two draws and a defeat is a worse outcome than two losses and a win. However, I get the impression that people would think more favourably about the first set of results rather than the second (depending on who you play).
I put it down to loss aversion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion), the draw is an acceptable result because we value not losing wore than we value winning. However, in football this attitude isn't optimal because of the way points are awarded.
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Draw 2 lose 1 = 2 points gained.
Draw 2 lose 1 = 3 points lost to the opposition.
Win 1 lose 2 = 3 points gained.
Win 1 lose 2 = 6 points lost to the opposition.
That is possibly why draws are value as the net loss is only 1 point compared to 3. Appreciate this is all based on the fact you play the same team each game but hopefully you get my point - i am sure i do myself though, but over tuna and rice for lunch it seems to make sense to me.
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Draw 2 lose 1 = 2 points gained.
Draw 2 lose 1 = 3 points lost to the opposition.
Win 1 lose 2 = 3 points gained.
Win 1 lose 2 = 6 points lost to the opposition.
That is possibly why draws are value as the net loss is only 1 point compared to 3. Appreciate this is all based on the fact you play the same team each game but hopefully you get my point - i am sure i do myself though, but over tuna and rice for lunch it seems to make sense to me.
Isn't that 5 points lost to the opposition?
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Draw 2 lose 1 = 2 points gained.
Draw 2 lose 1 = 3 points lost to the opposition.
Win 1 lose 2 = 3 points gained.
Win 1 lose 2 = 6 points lost to the opposition.
That is possibly why draws are value as the net loss is only 1 point compared to 3. Appreciate this is all based on the fact you play the same team each game but hopefully you get my point - i am sure i do myself though, but over tuna and rice for lunch it seems to make sense to me.
Isn't that 5 points lost to the opposition?
No because a draw means the points are shared, on the basis you play the same team. Appreciate though you play lots of different teams but as for losing ground on the opposition is what I am trying to get across. My head is cabbaged but i know what i mean and that is all that counts lol.
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Draw 2 lose 1 = 2 points gained.
Draw 2 lose 1 = 3 points lost to the opposition.
Win 1 lose 2 = 3 points gained.
Win 1 lose 2 = 6 points lost to the opposition.
That is possibly why draws are value as the net loss is only 1 point compared to 3. Appreciate this is all based on the fact you play the same team each game but hopefully you get my point - i am sure i do myself though, but over tuna and rice for lunch it seems to make sense to me.
Isn't that 5 points lost to the opposition?
No because a draw means the points are shared, on the basis you play the same team. Appreciate though you play lots of different teams but as for losing ground on the opposition is what I am trying to get across. My head is cabbaged but i know what i mean and that is all that counts lol.
Think we'll have to agree to disagree. For me,
DDL = 2 points for us, 5 points for them
WLL = 3 points for us, 6 points for them
Seems to me it's the same deficit.
I agree with Ballers that it might be better to have WLL if only for the fact you've got one more point to move you away from danger.
Having said that, I prefer WWW (especially in the opening 3 matches!) ;)
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If we get WWW, I will show my bare arse in Debenhams shop window on Bank Holiday Monday.
;D ;D ;D
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Draw 2 lose 1 = 2 points gained.
Draw 2 lose 1 = 3 points lost to the opposition.
Win 1 lose 2 = 3 points gained.
Win 1 lose 2 = 6 points lost to the opposition.
That is possibly why draws are value as the net loss is only 1 point compared to 3. Appreciate this is all based on the fact you play the same team each game but hopefully you get my point - i am sure i do myself though, but over tuna and rice for lunch it seems to make sense to me.
Isn't that 5 points lost to the opposition?
No because a draw means the points are shared, on the basis you play the same team. Appreciate though you play lots of different teams but as for losing ground on the opposition is what I am trying to get across. My head is cabbaged but i know what i mean and that is all that counts lol.
Think we'll have to agree to disagree. For me,
DDL = 2 points for us, 5 points for them
WLL = 3 points for us, 6 points for them
Seems to me it's the same deficit.
I agree with Ballers that it might be better to have WLL if only for the fact you've got one more point to move you away from danger.
Having said that, I prefer WWW (especially in the opening 3 matches!) ;)
I think you're agreeing with Jimmy Hill actually. Although I agree too as it happens. :)
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This is why i became a footballer and not a mathematics university lecturer.
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anyone who went to Torquay on valentines day to be met with Jody banim
That sounds like possibly the world's least romantic blind date.
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Draw 2 lose 1 = 2 points gained.
Draw 2 lose 1 = 3 points lost to the opposition.
Win 1 lose 2 = 3 points gained.
Win 1 lose 2 = 6 points lost to the opposition.
That is possibly why draws are value as the net loss is only 1 point compared to 3. Appreciate this is all based on the fact you play the same team each game but hopefully you get my point - i am sure i do myself though, but over tuna and rice for lunch it seems to make sense to me.
Isn't that 5 points lost to the opposition?
No because a draw means the points are shared, on the basis you play the same team. Appreciate though you play lots of different teams but as for losing ground on the opposition is what I am trying to get across. My head is cabbaged but i know what i mean and that is all that counts lol.
Think we'll have to agree to disagree. For me,
DDL = 2 points for us, 5 points for them
WLL = 3 points for us, 6 points for them
Seems to me it's the same deficit.
I agree with Ballers that it might be better to have WLL if only for the fact you've got one more point to move you away from danger.
Having said that, I prefer WWW (especially in the opening 3 matches!) ;)
I think you're agreeing with Jimmy Hill actually. Although I agree too as it happens. :)
Sorry about that Ballers! I just like agreeing with everyone! ::)
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anyone who went to Torquay on valentines day to be met with Jody banim
That sounds like possibly the world's least romantic blind date.
Me, jimmy and our two good ladies made up four of the 23 on the away terrace, superb weekend, ruined only by that nonsense!