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Title: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 07, 2014, 02:45:37 PM
Not sure if this been seen yet

http://www.mcgoffandbyrne.co.uk/?p=994
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jimmy Hill on July 07, 2014, 06:29:56 PM
Does anyone know if there's going to be any sort of consultation with fans about what they would like to see in the bar/decoration etc.?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 07, 2014, 07:12:17 PM
Real Ale, if not on hand pump then bottled like at Ashley Cricket Club and numerous other football social clubs. Football on the television when football is on, rather than cronulla sharks v Wollongong in the Australian rugby league or a documentary on what food el hadji diouf likes to eat. A selection of barm cakes with various fillings wrapped in cellophane in a basket on the bar to save snack bar ques. Pool table and dart board to form teams for both sports. A detachable/partitioned area of the bar so it can operate independently from
The hall if needs be so it can open every night if demand dictates.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: wayno on July 07, 2014, 07:12:56 PM
Real Ale, if not on hand pump then bottled like at Ashley Cricket Club and numerous other football social clubs. Football on the television when football is on, rather than cronulla sharks v Wollongong in the Australian rugby league or a documentary on what food el hadji diouf likes to eat. A selection of barm cakes with various fillings wrapped in cellophane in a basket on the bar to save snack bar ques. Pool table and dart board to form teams for both sports. A detachable/partitioned area of the bar so it can operate independently from
The hall if needs be so it can open every night if demand dictates.
and jager
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jimmy Hill on July 07, 2014, 07:36:13 PM
Decent lighting.

Too many pubs and bars suffer from overly bright overhead lighting. Nice warm side lighting is essential.

Quiz machine might be nice.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on July 07, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
Decent lighting.

Too many pubs and bars suffer from overly bright overhead lighting. Nice warm side lighting is essential.

Quiz machine might be nice.



We've already got an Alty trivia one in human form: Brian Flynn.


Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 07, 2014, 07:49:22 PM
A view of the pitch.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 07, 2014, 07:50:27 PM
Ladies bogs.  Plenty of ladies bogs.  Let's be the first bar / hall to get that right.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 07, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
Ideally local beers.  You can buy some beers anywhere, so we should be looking to stock a couple of good local beers, as well as stocking the high turnover stuff.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 07, 2014, 08:05:44 PM
Don't forget the pensioners discount on the red wine!  ;)
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: rick on July 07, 2014, 08:42:27 PM
A couple of fruit machines and chocolate and snack vending machine all to add to the club's profits
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 07, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
A licence to hold civil marriage and partnership ceremonies.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 07, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
ooh and a huge portion of the wall for a massive version of the Alty FC flag outside Macc Town!



A wall of honour. strictly for those non-players that have given exemplary service to Alty.  I don't mean a wall where I can pay £500 for a plaque on the wall naming me a ' Hero ' but a place reserved for those who have given time, and plenty of it over the years.  Criteria to get a space on this wall would need to be agreed but a panel of Alty diehards would make the decision.  For example Keith Davey would almost certainly get a plaque, whereas I wouldn't.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on July 07, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
Apologies for micturating on the french fries but this is a COMMUNITY  SPORTS  Hall other than on Match days and therefore I would respectfully suggest that the primary consideration must be to ensure that it meets the criteria required to be such.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 07, 2014, 10:38:26 PM
Apologies for micturating on the french fries but this is a COMMUNITY  SPORTS  Hall other than on Match days and therefore I would respectfully suggest that the primary consideration must be to ensure that it meets the criteria required to be such.

Apart form the huge Alty flag suggestion the rest seem to meet the Community ethos to me.

Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Alty_best on July 07, 2014, 10:55:46 PM
We won't need a vending machine for drinks there will be a snak bar in it and u got a snack bar near the home turnstiles witch sells the same as a  vending machine
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: bumble on July 07, 2014, 11:07:08 PM
The ability for cashback. Card Machines. A pay cash machine could work as there no cash machine near by

The bar shoud sell jager and snacks.

There should be a place to advertise.

Id also like to see perhaps us use the outside wall and put uo boards similar to the current ome advertising building work.

A darts board should be if not a pool table as well.

UId like to see a projector screen rather than televsions.

A jukebox is another option.


Also phill whilst its a commumity hall, Fans should have say. Trade in.Costellos should be spent in the Alty bar.
 

Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jimmy Hill on July 08, 2014, 01:08:15 AM
Apologies for micturating on the french fries but this is a COMMUNITY  SPORTS  Hall other than on Match days and therefore I would respectfully suggest that the primary consideration must be to ensure that it meets the criteria required to be such.

Are you assuming that the local community are going to have some kind of penchant for sh*t beer and strip lighting?

I'm really not sure that the preferences of Alty fans and other users are going to be wildly different.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Bob on July 08, 2014, 07:42:56 AM
If you are going to have something which will hopefully used by the wider community, then it needs to appeal to a lot more than just Alty fans. This might annoy some people but - while it should certainly cater for football fans and match days -  I would make the decor as generic as possible.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jacobs on July 08, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
I think jack is spot on card payment facilities Inc cash back would be desirable.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mr Woolf on July 08, 2014, 08:19:07 AM
Wish we could be talking about signings rather than bricks and mortar
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 08, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
Apologies for micturating on the french fries but this is a COMMUNITY  SPORTS  Hall other than on Match days and therefore I would respectfully suggest that the primary consideration must be to ensure that it meets the criteria required to be such.
Surely all the pensioners in the community would appreciate a cheap red wine?!  ;)
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on July 08, 2014, 06:01:38 PM

It's made it into the MEN:


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Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hash on July 08, 2014, 07:26:41 PM
we should get romeo48 to have a monthly guest beer he seems to be trying to drink every real ale know to mankind, also dedication wall for fans long lost but never forgotten.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on July 08, 2014, 11:26:35 PM
My point was that items such as pool tables etc. may cause some practical problems for the martial arts players, carpet bowlers and the like
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 08, 2014, 11:30:10 PM
Pool tables come on casters
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 08, 2014, 11:34:02 PM
My point was that items such as pool tables etc. may cause some practical problems for the martial arts players, carpet bowlers and the like

but would be ideal for the Altrincham and District Pool Club...

Martial Arts is an odd one, my youngest does that - an awful lot of setting up if it's not a permanent thing. 
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jimmy on July 08, 2014, 11:36:55 PM
The ability for cashback. Card Machines. A pay cash machine could work as there no cash machine near by

The bar shoud sell jager and snacks.

There should be a place to advertise.

Id also like to see perhaps us use the outside wall and put uo boards similar to the current ome advertising building work.

A darts board should be if not a pool table as well.

UId like to see a projector screen rather than televsions.

A jukebox is another option.


Also phill whilst its a commumity hall, Fans should have say. Trade in.Costellos should be spent in the Alty bar.
 


it's very tedious being at a bar and waiting longer because someone is paying with a card
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: taxi Phil on July 09, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
A juke box means a music licence.....and they don't come cheap. Real ale would be wonderful......but requires a steady turnover. A good and frequently changed range of bottled beers is probably more practical.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Ballers on July 10, 2014, 09:21:01 PM
Something more simple.

A list of prices above the bar enabling people to see how much money they need thus saving time?

Opening the bar at 3.45 rather than waiting for the actual whistle to go thus saving the bar staff being swamped and allowing people to be served more effectively and giving people 5 minutes at the start of the second half to drink up?

Having pints poured and ready for half time so that time is saved when the rush comes in?

Anything else I'm not really bothered about, but can we bin that picture of Michael Twiss scoring against Fleetwood?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: wayno on July 10, 2014, 09:35:07 PM
The ability for cashback. Card Machines. A pay cash machine could work as there no cash machine near by

The bar shoud sell jager and snacks.

There should be a place to advertise.

Id also like to see perhaps us use the outside wall and put uo boards similar to the current ome advertising building work.

A darts board should be if not a pool table as well.

UId like to see a projector screen rather than televsions.

A jukebox is another option.


Also phill whilst its a commumity hall, Fans should have say. Trade in.Costellos should be spent in the Alty bar.
 


you could then have a closed supporters pool team and darts team as well..oh tease me tease tease me baby till I lose control
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 10, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Does anyone know if there's going to be any sort of consultation with fans about what they would like to see in the bar/decoration etc.?

Yes there has been a lot of thought gone into the design of the building, it's services and its finishes. There have been some good questions and comments made on this thread which will be considered, but to answer the queries raised so far I would advise as follows;

Lighting - Very flexible design to each half of the room which can be divided. Mixture of recessed low energy high frequency fluorescents, downlighters and colour change LED effect lighting for functions.
Fully air conditioned using low energy heat pumps and heat recovery vent systems
Decoration/colours - Modern and appropriate with a superb design idea which will be unveiled in due course. Superb oak floor and oak doors/ high quality ceiling finishes, coffered ceiling design.
There will be a large honours wall area to recognise the Hall sponsors,...this is your chance now to be on that board so go to the just giving page for the project please, every donation helps.
Windows - Yes 6 large ones overlooking the pitch with electric shutters, plus others elsewhere.
Bar/Kitchen designs - Completed with Ritchie and Brewery input.

On the equipment fit out points I cannot comment but don't forget it is a multi-use space used 7 days a week so anything fixed like pool table or juke box is not going to be practical.
A darts board not a good idea with a high quality oak floor !
Cash machine is an idea but a major security concern.
No need for vending machines with large bar and kitchen.
The building will have wireless data and wired for ceiling projectors for large screens on a number of walls.
Large equipment store room  for sports equipment, mats, tables/chairs etc etc.

Any sensible suggestions or questions welcome. Ian
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Ballers on July 10, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
On that point Ian, will there be proper Wi-Fi available?

Doesn't overly bother me but I'm sure useful for various community groups/sports clubs/zumba/young mums meetings etc during the week and it's good when people can access quickly and effectively on their phones.

just a thought..
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: bighairedmike on July 10, 2014, 11:03:04 PM
Pool table doesn't have to be fixed. Easily moved on casters/a wheeled stand. Juke box takes about 1 square metre of wall space and doesn't need to be the main focus of attention. Easily implemented. A small section with a dart board and a suitable ocky/floor covering would be five and relatively cost effective.

Is there going to be a football club specific set of decoration? I know it is a community hall, but it is at our football club, and photos of historic moments etc will give it a homely feel on match days and also show what we are about to the community groups, potentially increasing our fan base.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 10, 2014, 11:15:35 PM
Is there going to be a football club specific set of decoration? I know it is a community hall, but it is at our football club, and photos of historic moments etc will give it a homely feel on match days and also show what we are about to the community groups, potentially increasing our fan base.

Absolutely right.

This is about putting Altrincham FC into the community, and that entails putting the community well and truly in touch with Altrincham FC.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: bumble on July 10, 2014, 11:36:30 PM
When the hall was first announced, it was said that our aim wasn't to bank roll the club but to raise awareness and hold community events, that could swell the attendances.

If the room is plain and neutral, they may as well hold their events somewhere else.

If you go to a rugby club, like AOM or a scout hut or a church room then the surroundings are related to that place. Be it sunday school stuff or rugby trophys. Im not expecting a ultra montage but it must be relevant to the club and its surroundings.

Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hamilton on July 10, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
I remember when I met Nick Clegg at hawick Rugby Club and they had a 'social' room where they had a lot opf memorabilia about Bill McLaren on a wall. Old photos, newspaper clips and the like showing the rich history of the club would be ideal.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 11, 2014, 12:10:35 AM
I don't think having a section as a social/pub/drinking area permanently in place, even with a draw back partitioning should be over looked. The bridge demolished, the king George up for sale yet again. You've a ready made customer base for something that's going to be open anyway. Big pool and darts fixtures can be real money spinners. 
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: markecky on July 11, 2014, 10:03:38 AM
When the hall was first announced, it was said that our aim wasn't to bank roll the club but to raise awareness and hold community events, that could swell the attendances.

If the room is plain and neutral, they may as well hold their events somewhere else.

If you go to a rugby club, like AOM or a scout hut or a church room then the surroundings are related to that place. Be it sunday school stuff or rugby trophys. Im not expecting a ultra montage but it must be relevant to the club and its surroundings.



Where does it say that it's going to be plain and neutral?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 11, 2014, 12:45:44 PM
To answer the fair points made below;

1. It will not be plain and neutral, wait and see what is planned,....appropriate is how I would describe it.
2. The use of movable bar items that might increase revenue is a good idea and one that the club will I'm sure consider when its built and starts being used.
3. I expect there will be plenty of memorabilia on view eventually.
4. Wi fi will be available, what hasnt yet been agreed is who can access it and when/how etc as thats a software/management issue.
5. I should have added that all lighting is dimmable as well.
6. The bar has disabled access sections for ease of community use and a lot more space for new product/sales opportunities, yet to be decided upon.

From my travels, I expect this bar to be one of the best in non league football.

Keep the suggestions coming.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jenga on July 11, 2014, 01:15:58 PM
This may be outdated now, and I know there are windows anyway. But perhaps some sort of bell to announce 5 mins to the start of the game at each half to get people out rather than sitting inside finishing their beers?

A PA system will be used I am sure for functions, will this be extended to the whole ground? Half time music being played would add to the atmosphere.

A duke box on the wall would be a great feature for sure and money making. Not so sure about pool/snooker, it would take up alot of room, but darts wouldn't and you could get a mat to put over the high quality oak floor when in use. Darts during busy games though could be a problem with stray darts bouncing out perhaps.

Wedding Licence? Not sure why anyone would want to get married there but stranger things have happened.

Forget Strongbow and Bulmers and get Black Rat in !!!
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 11, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
This may be outdated now, and I know there are windows anyway. But perhaps some sort of bell to announce 5 mins to the start of the game at each half to get people out rather than sitting inside finishing their beers?

A PA system will be used I am sure for functions, will this be extended to the whole ground? Half time music being played would add to the atmosphere.

A duke box on the wall would be a great feature for sure and money making. Not so sure about pool/snooker, it would take up alot of room, but darts wouldn't and you could get a mat to put over the high quality oak floor when in use. Darts during busy games though could be a problem with stray darts bouncing out perhaps.

Wedding Licence? Not sure why anyone would want to get married there but stranger things have happened.

Forget Strongbow and Bulmers and get Black Rat in !!!

Is that something to do with John Wayne?  :D
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 11, 2014, 05:14:53 PM
This may be outdated now, and I know there are windows anyway. But perhaps some sort of bell to announce 5 mins to the start of the game at each half to get people out rather than sitting inside finishing their beers?

A PA system will be used I am sure for functions, will this be extended to the whole ground? Half time music being played would add to the atmosphere.

A duke box on the wall would be a great feature for sure and money making. Not so sure about pool/snooker, it would take up alot of room, but darts wouldn't and you could get a mat to put over the high quality oak floor when in use. Darts during busy games though could be a problem with stray darts bouncing out perhaps.

Wedding Licence? Not sure why anyone would want to get married there but stranger things have happened.

Forget Strongbow and Bulmers and get Black Rat in !!!

Is that something to do with John Wayne?  :D

No. That would be too hazardous...
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 11, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
This may be outdated now, and I know there are windows anyway. But perhaps some sort of bell to announce 5 mins to the start of the game at each half to get people out rather than sitting inside finishing their beers?

A PA system will be used I am sure for functions, will this be extended to the whole ground? Half time music being played would add to the atmosphere.

A duke box on the wall would be a great feature for sure and money making. Not so sure about pool/snooker, it would take up alot of room, but darts wouldn't and you could get a mat to put over the high quality oak floor when in use. Darts during busy games though could be a problem with stray darts bouncing out perhaps.

Wedding Licence? Not sure why anyone would want to get married there but stranger things have happened.

Forget Strongbow and Bulmers and get Black Rat in !!!

Is that something to do with John Wayne?  :D

No. That would be too hazardous...

That's something I would have expected "Daisy" to say!
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 11, 2014, 05:28:36 PM
This may be outdated now, and I know there are windows anyway. But perhaps some sort of bell to announce 5 mins to the start of the game at each half to get people out rather than sitting inside finishing their beers?

A PA system will be used I am sure for functions, will this be extended to the whole ground? Half time music being played would add to the atmosphere.

A duke box on the wall would be a great feature for sure and money making. Not so sure about pool/snooker, it would take up alot of room, but darts wouldn't and you could get a mat to put over the high quality oak floor when in use. Darts during busy games though could be a problem with stray darts bouncing out perhaps.

Wedding Licence? Not sure why anyone would want to get married there but stranger things have happened.

Forget Strongbow and Bulmers and get Black Rat in !!!

Is that something to do with John Wayne?  :D

No. That would be too hazardous...

That's something I would have expected "Daisy" to say!

or Boss Hogg.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jenga on July 11, 2014, 09:51:56 PM
Tossers lol, but very very funny.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: SW on July 12, 2014, 07:59:21 AM
I may have mentioned before but I understand there is to be some nominal spectator space in front of the building. I know funding applies but I think this is an opportunity for the club to provide some proper space for disabled supporters with wheelchair spaces interspersed with fixed seats for carers/partners. Now the facility is having an accessible WC this becomes even more the obvious place to provide facilities we should be providing anyway under The Equalities Act. It would of course depend also on sightlines down the pitch side.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 12, 2014, 05:09:54 PM
I may have mentioned before but I understand there is to be some nominal spectator space in front of the building. I know funding applies but I think this is an opportunity for the club to provide some proper space for disabled supporters with wheelchair spaces interspersed with fixed seats for carers/partners. Now the facility is having an accessible WC this becomes even more the obvious place to provide facilities we should be providing anyway under The Equalities Act. It would of course depend also on sightlines down the pitch side.

I'm afraid it wasnt possible to achieve that due too lack of space, levels and sight lines, we did try but the club does have disabled viewing areas already.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: SW on July 12, 2014, 05:16:51 PM
I may have mentioned before but I understand there is to be some nominal spectator space in front of the building. I know funding applies but I think this is an opportunity for the club to provide some proper space for disabled supporters with wheelchair spaces interspersed with fixed seats for carers/partners. Now the facility is having an accessible WC this becomes even more the obvious place to provide facilities we should be providing anyway under The Equalities Act. It would of course depend also on sightlines down the pitch side.

I'm afraid it wasnt possible to achieve that due too lack of space, levels and sight lines, we did try but the club does have disabled viewing areas already.

Fair comment about space and sightlines but apart from that we do not have adequate facilities, we have a portable plastic hut. We really should be doing better. Do the club realise that under the Equalities Act if a disabled person is unable to access the same facilities as anyone else they are at liberty to sue? This is a massive opportunity to cover what is needed. Also, to enter the league should it ever arise we would need to provide a significant number of spaces, proportionate to capacity.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 12, 2014, 05:31:14 PM
When you say disabled do you mean a wheelchair user? Because everywhere in the ground is wheelchair accessible apart from areas of terracing. modern grounds don't have terraced stands and old grounds that do have an exemption from such regulation because, well because its terracing. The facilities at moss lane for wheelchair users are fine if a little dated, but so is the stadium at present. If new terracing is ever built at either end im sure such areas will be factored in.One of our clubs directors is Vice President of level playing field, formally know as the national association of disabled supporters. So im sure everything at moss lane in its current format is correct.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: SW on July 12, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
When you say disabled do you mean a wheelchair user? Because everywhere in the ground is wheelchair accessible apart from areas of terracing. modern grounds don't have terraced stands and old grounds that do have an exemption from such regulation because, well because its terracing. The facilities at moss lane for wheelchair users are fine if a little dated, but so is the stadium at present. If new terracing is ever built at either end im sure such areas will be factored in.One of our clubs directors is Vice President of level playing field, formally know as the national association of disabled supporters. So im sure everything at moss lane in its current format is correct.

Sorry mate but it isn't we fall way short as do in fairness many grounds at our level.  I speak with experience working for a Local Authority that issues safety and licensing certificates for two football grounds, I am not trying to interfere but we do not meet the standards we should do. Also disabled access does mean wheelchair user but not exclusively so, there are other forms of disability. Also, old grounds most certainly do not have any exemption at all, all service providers whether a football club or a shop have responsibilities under the Act.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: B. 4D on July 12, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
When you say disabled do you mean a wheelchair user? Because everywhere in the ground is wheelchair accessible apart from areas of terracing. modern grounds don't have terraced stands and old grounds that do have an exemption from such regulation because, well because its terracing. The facilities at moss lane for wheelchair users are fine if a little dated, but so is the stadium at present. If new terracing is ever built at either end im sure such areas will be factored in.One of our clubs directors is Vice President of level playing field, formally know as the national association of disabled supporters. So im sure everything at moss lane in its current format is correct.

Sorry mate but it isn't we fall way short as do in fairness many grounds at our level.  I speak with experience working for a Local Authority that issues safety and licensing certificates for two football grounds, I am not trying to interfere but we do not meet the standards we should do. Also disabled access does mean wheelchair user but not exclusively so, there are other forms of disability. Also, old grounds most certainly do not have any exemption at all, all service providers whether a football club or a shop have responsibilities under the Act.
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I would have thought all this was covered, before the council gave us planning permission
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: SW on July 12, 2014, 06:23:54 PM
When you say disabled do you mean a wheelchair user? Because everywhere in the ground is wheelchair accessible apart from areas of terracing. modern grounds don't have terraced stands and old grounds that do have an exemption from such regulation because, well because its terracing. The facilities at moss lane for wheelchair users are fine if a little dated, but so is the stadium at present. If new terracing is ever built at either end im sure such areas will be factored in.One of our clubs directors is Vice President of level playing field, formally know as the national association of disabled supporters. So im sure everything at moss lane in its current format is correct.

Sorry mate but it isn't we fall way short as do in fairness many grounds at our level.  I speak with experience working for a Local Authority that issues safety and licensing certificates for two football grounds, I am not trying to interfere but we do not meet the standards we should do. Also disabled access does mean wheelchair user but not exclusively so, there are other forms of disability. Also, old grounds most certainly do not have any exemption at all, all service providers whether a football club or a shop have responsibilities under the Act.
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I would have thought all this was covered, before the council gave us planning permission

It isn't a planning issue it is covered by Building Regulations. They however only cover the building and access to it at this stage so if the building is accessible, usable and has suitable toilet facilities it will comply. What goes on outside is not part of the application, as I have said, that is covered by the Equalities Act. Nothing to do with Trafford MBC.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 12, 2014, 06:44:47 PM
When you say disabled do you mean a wheelchair user? Because everywhere in the ground is wheelchair accessible apart from areas of terracing. modern grounds don't have terraced stands and old grounds that do have an exemption from such regulation because, well because its terracing. The facilities at moss lane for wheelchair users are fine if a little dated, but so is the stadium at present. If new terracing is ever built at either end im sure such areas will be factored in.One of our clubs directors is Vice President of level playing field, formally know as the national association of disabled supporters. So im sure everything at moss lane in its current format is correct.

Sorry mate but it isn't we fall way short as do in fairness many grounds at our level.  I speak with experience working for a Local Authority that issues safety and licensing certificates for two football grounds, I am not trying to interfere but we do not meet the standards we should do. Also disabled access does mean wheelchair user but not exclusively so, there are other forms of disability. Also, old grounds most certainly do not have any exemption at all, all service providers whether a football club or a shop have responsibilities under the Act.

I didn't say old grounds had an exemption, I said certain sections. Your not going to knock down a 100 year old listed entrance to a building to put a wheelchair lift in for example, you make alternative solutions available.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: SW on July 12, 2014, 07:07:44 PM
No of course not Pete but if a disabled fan arrives there should be somewhere they can sit in equal comfort to anyone else, with their companion and not in an obviously segregated fashion. There would not be a need to make everywhere in the ground accessible, just a suitable spot with access to toilet and food facilities. I have no agenda here and I'm not knocking the club. Just saying what we should be doing and now is the time.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 12, 2014, 08:07:10 PM
I'm not saying you've got an agenda mate, but I also have some experience of this, and in the case of older buildings you've got to do the best you can to accomodate people in an inclusive way. But you also have to be realistic. I'm sure as the stadium regeneration progresses , this will be high on the agenda. I can fully see why it wouldn't be practical infront of new bar as the slight lines are poor for those stood up in my opinion, so for those sat it would be nigh on impossible. The Hednesford supporters with mobility problems were accomodated at the playoff game with no complaints bar the result!
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: SW on July 12, 2014, 08:23:32 PM
Fair does, we need to find somewhere though, the flat bit of the old Chequers end then in front of the tea hut. That would be easy to do.

Anyway, this was just a suggestion not a crusade so that's it on this for me.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hamilton on July 12, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
I don't know all the regs or anything, but I used to bring a lass in a wheelchair to matches at ML and the facilities were perfectly fine for us and, of course, the stewards were never less than very helpful.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: wayno on July 13, 2014, 11:00:40 PM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 13, 2014, 11:34:22 PM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?

and one for johnnies please.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hamilton on July 14, 2014, 12:11:54 AM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?

and one for johnnies please.

What if you're not called Johnnie?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: York Alty on July 14, 2014, 12:23:22 AM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?

and one for johnnies please.

What if you're not called Johnnie?
BE CAREFUL.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: altrincham on July 14, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
Lets hope its not a shell painted in magnolia with a small bar at one end ..... was it Kendal who had a mint social at one end of their ground?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hamilton on July 14, 2014, 12:33:40 PM
Lets hope its not a shell painted in magnolia with a small bar at one end ..... was it Kendal who had a mint social at one end of their ground?

That's them. (the clues are Kendal and Mint!)
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Nom de plume on July 14, 2014, 04:14:52 PM
I know the answer to that......it's a piece o' cake!  ;D
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jenga on July 14, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?
This was apparently looked at by the club and was high on the agenda. Unfortunately due to the expected number of users of the machine it was deemed that there would be a high possibility of bubble gum being left on the terracing and it sticking to peoples shoes. As the club also does not currently own a jet washer to remove said bubble gum it was deemed impractical.

May I take this opportunity to thank you for your splendid suggestion however.

Kind regards.

Chief Bubble Gum Assistant.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: wayno on July 14, 2014, 06:50:54 PM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?
This was apparently looked at by the club and was high on the agenda. Unfortunately due to the expected number of users of the machine it was deemed that there would be a high possibility of bubble gum being left on the terracing and it sticking to peoples shoes. As the club also does not currently own a jet washer to remove said bubble gum it was deemed impractical.

May I take this opportunity to thank you for your splendid suggestion however.

Kind regards.

Chief Bubble Gum Assistant.
I would like to thank you for your detailed response sir

However I would like to bring to your attention the following observations

1 you state this would be a good earner as lots of interest therfore from the profits we could buy a jet wash .
2 lots of fans wear flip flops has this been taken into account for health and safety ?
Are you also the chief fruit cake officer as well ? As if we can't have a bubble gum machine why not one for fruit cakes ?
We could have all varieties -  broken biscuits,  troubled toffee and malteasers to name a few
3 finally I would very much like to see your swot analysis and 30 60 and  90 day plan around your fiscal outlook on why you will not be pursuing this ..I would prefer this in both pdf and excel please with a pie chart as well

Once again thanks for your response and I look forward to further intellectual exchanges
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: bighairedmike on July 14, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?
This was apparently looked at by the club and was high on the agenda. Unfortunately due to the expected number of users of the machine it was deemed that there would be a high possibility of bubble gum being left on the terracing and it sticking to peoples shoes. As the club also does not currently own a jet washer to remove said bubble gum it was deemed impractical.

May I take this opportunity to thank you for your splendid suggestion however.

Kind regards.

Chief Bubble Gum Assistant.
I would like to thank you for your detailed response sir

However I would like to bring to your attention the following observations

1 you state this would be a good earner as lots of interest therfore from the profits we could buy a jet wash .
2 lots of fans wear flip flops has this been taken into account for health and safety ?
Are you also the chief fruit cake officer as well ? As if we can't have a bubble gum machine why not one for fruit cakes ?
We could have all varieties -  broken biscuits,  troubled toffee and malteasers to name a few
3 finally I would very much like to see your swot analysis and 30 60 and  90 day plan around your fiscal outlook on why you will not be pursuing this ..I would prefer this in both pdf and excel please with a pie chart as well

Once again thanks for your response and I look forward to further intellectual exchanges

You overlook the obvious point here. Is it a Pukka Pie chart or a Hollands Pie Chart?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Alty_best on July 14, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Hollands
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hamilton on July 14, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
Can we have a bubble gum machine ?
This was apparently looked at by the club and was high on the agenda. Unfortunately due to the expected number of users of the machine it was deemed that there would be a high possibility of bubble gum being left on the terracing and it sticking to peoples shoes. As the club also does not currently own a jet washer to remove said bubble gum it was deemed impractical.

May I take this opportunity to thank you for your splendid suggestion however.

Kind regards.

Chief Bubble Gum Assistant.
I would like to thank you for your detailed response sir

However I would like to bring to your attention the following observations

1 you state this would be a good earner as lots of interest therfore from the profits we could buy a jet wash .
2 lots of fans wear flip flops has this been taken into account for health and safety ?
Are you also the chief fruit cake officer as well ? As if we can't have a bubble gum machine why not one for fruit cakes ?
We could have all varieties -  broken biscuits,  troubled toffee and malteasers to name a few
3 finally I would very much like to see your swot analysis and 30 60 and  90 day plan around your fiscal outlook on why you will not be pursuing this ..I would prefer this in both pdf and excel please with a pie chart as well

Once again thanks for your response and I look forward to further intellectual exchanges

Well, you are what you eat!
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 15, 2014, 01:11:50 PM
Hollands

That isnt the Wright choice boy :D
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Alty_best on July 15, 2014, 01:44:04 PM
It is puka are rubbish
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 15, 2014, 02:46:03 PM
It is puka are rubbish

I agree about puka, but PUKKA PIES are wonderful but some of the Wrights ones are actually OK. Hollands still over rated and past their sell by date  :o

Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Alty_best on July 15, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
We will be sticking with wrights for a long time
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 18, 2014, 10:30:22 PM
The new facilities under the main stand were completed today. I'm sure some pictures will be posted soon by the club. The Community Sports Hall work is on programme as well.

Now is the time to get in touch with the club to make your donation to the Community Sports Hall.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on July 19, 2014, 05:03:16 PM


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs1RpoYIgAAmeeL.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: taxi Phil on July 19, 2014, 09:34:20 PM
The above came as a relief. Someone told me there was a picture of a s**thouse on the Forum.

I was horribly afraid it was Frank Sinclair.,.....
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hamilton on July 19, 2014, 11:19:06 PM
Those urinals on the left - they just take the p*ss!
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: distancetraveller on July 20, 2014, 08:13:03 AM
I believe that pipework in the urinal is the actual formation  that Lee is using in our opening game.
Looking at it, I hope Nicky Clee hits the ground running  ;) :D
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Nom de plume on July 20, 2014, 08:37:39 AM
I wonder how many will be playing "let's see if we can get it over the top".  :D
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 28, 2014, 04:28:23 PM
My word they've got some steelwork up today, have the Jehovah's been in??!?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: distancetraveller on July 28, 2014, 04:38:20 PM
My word they've got some steelwork up today, have the Jehovah's been in??!?

I thought we had signed a ball winning midfielder when I read that post Pete  ;)
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: bigedd on July 28, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
Who Are we having opening. The new Community Hall.????
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: distancetraveller on July 28, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
Who Are we having opening. The new Community Hall.????

It would be nice to see somebody like Mark Maddox or Noel White, I expect people have different nominations.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Jezza on July 28, 2014, 07:35:29 PM
Who Are we having opening. The new Community Hall.????

I vote for some famous really loud heavy metal band....should draw interest from the neighbours.

....or howabout Greg Dyke?  ;D
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: bigedd on July 28, 2014, 08:37:11 PM
I'd go Maddog.
But hear Emile Heskey,is available.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 28, 2014, 11:30:13 PM
My word they've got some steelwork up today, have the Jehovah's been in??!?

With the good weather and high crane hire costs we are working at least 12 hours a day at present.  All the columns are up already in one day and several main beams and everything fits like a glove. By the match tomorrow the steel frame will be up and by wednesday night all the purlins and sheeting rails should be on and the crane gone. You can now see the size of the building better. The brickwork starts on friday too.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hale Alty on July 29, 2014, 09:49:37 AM
If things had gone differently we could have had the Noel White Suite and the Danny Community Hall.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 29, 2014, 02:49:38 PM
If its having a proper cellar and thwaites are still doing the ale can they put wainwright in instead of one of the electric bitters??? Or Lancashire bomber, preferably wainwright
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 29, 2014, 03:28:45 PM
Yes Thwaites continuing and a proper cellar too.

We just need a few more donations from the community to complete the building now  :D
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Alty Dave on July 29, 2014, 05:20:54 PM
I am concerned that the view from the main stand is going to be severely restricted on the left hand side as you look from the pitch. Hope I am wrong. Losing 200- 400 seats would be a problem.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: joe on July 29, 2014, 08:46:48 PM
I am concerned that the view from the main stand is going to be severely restricted on the left hand side as you look from the pitch. Hope I am wrong. Losing 200- 400 seats would be a problem.

I would imagine this was taken into account when the plans were drawn up Dave as with the family stand which doesn't affect the viewing from the main stand at all as far as I am aware? I very much doubt they've just decided to throw the new Community Hall up and hope for the best that it doesn't restrict the view from elsewhere.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: (S)ALTY on July 29, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
I am concerned that the view from the main stand is going to be severely restricted on the left hand side as you look from the pitch. Hope I am wrong. Losing 200- 400 seats would be a problem.

I would imagine this was taken into account when the plans were drawn up Dave as with the family stand which doesn't affect the viewing from the main stand at all as far as I am aware? I very much doubt they've just decided to throw the new Community Hall up and hope for the best that it doesn't restrict the view from elsewhere.

Oh yes it does !

I have it on good authority that a special concession has been agreed with the F A and all corners conceded at The a Golf Road end will now be taken from the far corner so everyone in the main stand can see who is taking them.

Simples ! ,
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hash on July 29, 2014, 11:35:07 PM
a quick warning  to all that stood on the pavilion please don't come over to the oppistie side ie the grumpy corner where me , romeo bury alty and son  stand and mince....   any happy cheerful thoughts will not be tolerated , we cant be doing with any of that its taken us years to scare people away from our little corner of bitterness
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on July 30, 2014, 06:14:46 PM
Question for Pukka Pieman:

Any chance of a refund on my season ticket owing to the fact that the dimensions of the Community Sports Hall mean that my main stand seat now has a restricted view......?

  
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Hale Alty on July 30, 2014, 06:35:46 PM
Is this an almighty cock-up or a calculated risk as the stand is hardly ever full anyway?
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: B. 4D on July 30, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
I am concerned that the view from the main stand is going to be severely restricted on the left hand side as you look from the pitch. Hope I am wrong. Losing 200- 400 seats would be a problem.

I would imagine this was taken into account when the plans were drawn up Dave as with the family stand which doesn't affect the viewing from the main stand at all as far as I am aware? I very much doubt they've just decided to throw the new Community Hall up and hope for the best that it doesn't restrict the view from elsewhere.

Oh yes it does !

I have it on good authority that a special concession has been agreed with the F A and all corners conceded at The a Golf Road end will now be taken from the far corner so everyone in the main stand can see who is taking them.

Simples ! ,




For my understanding is that.
They might be jacking the stand up 5 metres, or if spectators aren't happy with the view, they can move onto the TV gantry.
But must bring their own seat!!!!
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: PukkaPieman on July 30, 2014, 08:13:37 PM
Question for Pukka Pieman:

Any chance of a refund on my season ticket owing to the fact that the dimensions of the Community Sports Hall mean that my main stand seat now has a restricted view......?
 

Answer, move seat. The benefits of the CSH outweigh this minor problem. The same problem already exists to a degree from the family stand.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: (S)ALTY on July 30, 2014, 09:21:33 PM
Question for Pukka Pieman:

Any chance of a refund on my season ticket owing to the fact that the dimensions of the Community Sports Hall mean that my main stand seat now has a restricted view......?
 

Answer, move seat. The benefits of the CSH outweigh this minor problem. The same problem already exists to a degree from the family stand.

Ah yes - The Family Stand and Sponsor's Lounge

and the Community Sports Hall doubles up, on match days for further corporate entertaining facilities.

It's beginning to sound like the response you get at Old Trafford - no respect for the downtrodden hard working regular supporters.

First they kick us off the flags, and when we relocate to the main stand you can't see half the pitch.

Next thing you know they'll be introducing Pukka Pies without any consultation with the supporters whatsoever.

It's a disgrace, I feel like writing to my MP and getting the matter mentioned in the House of Commons.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: bigedd on July 30, 2014, 09:40:13 PM
I have a seat in the main stand.And agree,
The view will be restricted, when the Hall is completed.
Solution,Move my seat.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on July 31, 2014, 12:54:30 AM
Question for Pukka Pieman:

Any chance of a refund on my season ticket owing to the fact that the dimensions of the Community Sports Hall mean that my main stand seat now has a restricted view......?
 

Answer, move seat. The benefits of the CSH outweigh this minor problem. The same problem already exists to a degree from the family stand.



Were the two things mutually exclusive then?

It affects quite a few seats though, Ian, doesn't it?

Are you relocating the press box, too?

Theatres and concert halls are obliged to advise you that the seat you are booking has a restricted view.






Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: hsmith1 on July 31, 2014, 07:13:47 AM
listening to radio robins last tuesday they said that the view from the press office is going to be restricted as was some from the stand itself,this does sound like a bit of a cock up to me.
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: GB Alty on July 31, 2014, 09:52:08 AM
This is a mess

Will we have to cut the capacity? The stand was full against Guiseley
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on July 31, 2014, 10:03:25 AM
Its only the corner flag you can't see from certain seats much the same as is the case with the family stand from certain seats, its full once every Preston guild. Frustrating for some but lots of grounds have such issues, to a big degree at Morecambes new build
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: distancetraveller on July 31, 2014, 10:17:21 AM
Benefits of restricted view - were 3-0 down with 15 mins to go and playing sh*t. Suddenly a queue forms for seats with restricted views.
Every cloud etc.  ;)
Title: Re: Community Hall
Post by: Nom de plume on July 31, 2014, 10:31:35 AM
Benefits of restricted view - were 3-0 down with 15 mins to go and playing sh*t. Suddenly a queue forms for seats with restricted views.
Every cloud etc.  ;)
Another benefit is you might not be able to see the utterly shambolic Kyle Perry  :)