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Title: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 08, 2014, 11:38:41 PM
Has Signed for Brackley Town
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: markecky on January 09, 2014, 12:33:45 AM
those cheeky £200 a week village chaps, good signing though, a man in form.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: taxi Phil on January 09, 2014, 09:27:47 AM
A decent striker was all they were short of. They'll be back in the front runners PDQ.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Stan Hibbert on January 09, 2014, 11:29:51 AM
A decent striker was all they were short of. They'll be back in the front runners PDQ.

Spot on.

If they'd scored the goals we have, with their defensive record, they'd be streaks ahead at the top.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: markecky on January 09, 2014, 12:58:31 PM
"an offer he couldn't refuse"

http://www.leamingtoncourier.co.uk/sport/football/brackley-splash-the-cash-to-lure-moore-to-st-james-park-1-5796963
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 09, 2014, 05:45:24 PM
They saw that their chances of going up were going so a very good move by their board and manager
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 10, 2014, 12:24:53 AM
They saw that their chances of going up were going so a very good move by their board and manager

Is it really a good move? Paying players way over the odds for this level at a club with a very small core support and poor facilities? Rich mans plaything, sh*t or bust, call it what you will, it's only a matter of time before the tears begin to flow and I'm not talking tears of joy.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Bob on January 10, 2014, 07:18:25 AM
They saw that their chances of going up were going so a very good move by their board and manager

Is it really a good move? Paying players way over the odds for this level at a club with a very small core support and poor facilities? Rich mans plaything, sh*t or bust, call it what you will, it's only a matter of time before the tears begin to flow and I'm not talking tears of joy.

If it falls apart off the pitch then they'll probably just drop back to the level they've been playing at for most of their history so they won't feel the decline as hard. Different from Stockport etc.

Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: taxi Phil on January 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
They saw that their chances of going up were going so a very good move by their board and manager

Is it really a good move? Paying players way over the odds for this level at a club with a very small core support and poor facilities? Rich mans plaything, sh*t or bust, call it what you will, it's only a matter of time before the tears begin to flow and I'm not talking tears of joy.

I was shedding tears of laughter when Crawley conceded twice in the last five minutes on Wednesday to crash out of the Cup at home to Bristol Rovers  ;D
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 10, 2014, 04:40:38 PM
They saw that their chances of going up were going so a very good move by their board and manager

Is it really a good move? Paying players way over the odds for this level at a club with a very small core support and poor facilities? Rich mans plaything, sh*t or bust, call it what you will, it's only a matter of time before the tears begin to flow and I'm not talking tears of joy.

Good reply by bob
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 10, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
They saw that their chances of going up were going so a very good move by their board and manager

Is it really a good move? Paying players way over the odds for this level at a club with a very small core support and poor facilities? Rich mans plaything, sh*t or bust, call it what you will, it's only a matter of time before the tears begin to flow and I'm not talking tears of joy.

Good reply by bob

It is, but teams have gone out of existence for lesser reasons and it is not alone that, it helps to foster and continue the ridiculous culture of spending way beyond your means that not only has football, but the financial world in general paddleless in a raging torrent of faeces.

Grump, grump, moan, moan.....eeeeee, in my day......what's the world coming to, etc
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 10, 2014, 05:31:55 PM
Fair point I still have same opinion Take fleetwood for instance if the sh*t hit the fan and they go bust in 5 years the majority will say they enjoyed the ride rather than doing nothing year in year out gates of 150
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Bob on January 10, 2014, 06:39:41 PM
They saw that their chances of going up were going so a very good move by their board and manager

Is it really a good move? Paying players way over the odds for this level at a club with a very small core support and poor facilities? Rich mans plaything, sh*t or bust, call it what you will, it's only a matter of time before the tears begin to flow and I'm not talking tears of joy.

Good reply by bob

It is, but teams have gone out of existence for lesser reasons and it is not alone that, it helps to foster and continue the ridiculous culture of spending way beyond your means that not only has football, but the financial world in general paddleless in a raging torrent of faeces.

Grump, grump, moan, moan.....eeeeee, in my day......what's the world coming to, etc


I agree with everything you say. I hate it when clubs spend recklessly in relation to their crowds and infrastructure. Until the rules and system offer a greater deterrent, it will keep happening.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 10, 2014, 07:52:59 PM
Of it didn't happen the standard of football in this league would be shocking
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: taxi Phil on January 10, 2014, 08:53:34 PM
Of it didn't happen the standard of football in this league would be shocking
The standard of football in this league generally IS shocking  >:(
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 10, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
I agree phil but it would be even worse
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: markecky on January 10, 2014, 10:17:08 PM
My only beef with Brackley is the way they try and hide it, never forget their manager saying that "all the lads are on £200 a week here, we're just a small village" on Radio 5.

As has been said, they are on a ride and enjoying it, it will come to an end and they will return to their natural level. but they will have been glad they did it and their won't be much fury.

Although if I was them, I would be disappointed that more people aren't taking an interest especially as they have done very well.,
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 10, 2014, 10:21:55 PM
I agree  however it's not really a footballing area and the style of football not great on the eye so the lack of crowd no surprise but yes totally agree no need for them to pretend they have no money people are not daft
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: distancetraveller on January 10, 2014, 10:33:39 PM
The powers that be at the club are just deceitful bastards.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2014, 12:54:16 PM
My only beef with Brackley is the way they try and hide it, never forget their manager saying that "all the lads are on £200 a week here, we're just a small village" on Radio 5.

As has been said, they are on a ride and enjoying it, it will come to an end and they will return to their natural level. but they will have been glad they did it and their won't be much fury.

Although if I was them, I would be disappointed that more people aren't taking an interest especially as they have done very well.,
it is a small village

their crowds are good considering, image Mobberley
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Hale Alty on January 11, 2014, 01:01:22 PM
Surely we all realise by now the amount of money that goes into any football team has nothing to do with how big the city/town/village is or how many people attend games, it is about who is putting the money in and how much they've got.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2014, 01:38:19 PM
Surely we all realise by now the amount of money that goes into any football team has nothing to do with how big the city/town/village is or how many people attend games, it is about who is putting the money in and how much they've got.
I was explaining why their crowds are small

You can't buy fans
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: York Alty on January 11, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
Surely we all realise by now the amount of money that goes into any football team has nothing to do with how big the city/town/village is or how many people attend games, it is about who is putting the money in and how much they've got.

Not just that though.  Health of the money bucket is vital.  I point at Gretna.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 11, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
Debut goal after 13 mins against Gainsborough, and I bet they don't lose 5-4
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Hemel Alty on January 12, 2014, 02:41:17 PM
So, a massive 259 through the gate yesterday. So finger in the air...with expenses and taking into account comps. etc., that is probably an income of about £2,000.  Halve that as they only play at home every other week and they should have a weekly budget of £1,000 plus whatever they make on the day in the bar etc (which on those gates cant be much).  Moore is reportedly on £700 per week. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 12, 2014, 03:39:27 PM
So, a massive 259 through the gate yesterday. So finger in the air...with expenses and taking into account comps. etc., that is probably an income of about £2,000.  Halve that as they only play at home every other week and they should have a weekly budget of £1,000 plus whatever they make on the day in the bar etc (which on those gates cant be much).  Moore is reportedly on £700 per week. Unbelievable.

£700 a week for a part time fotballer , not a bid bit of pocket money.awful crowd at least leamington have a half decent fan base
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Hale Alty on January 12, 2014, 03:44:30 PM
Imagine Altrincham found a sponsor willing to stump up £13,000 a week. Would we turn the money away because we weren't getting the 1000 extra people through the gates that it equates too? Brackley have a backer who's willing to pick up the bill.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 12, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
Imagine Altrincham found a sponsor willing to stump up £13,000 a week. Would we turn the money away because we weren't getting the 1000 extra people through the gates that it equates too? Brackley have a backer who's willing to pick up the bill.

whats the backers name again ?
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
Imagine Altrincham found a sponsor willing to stump up £13,000 a week. Would we turn the money away because we weren't getting the 1000 extra people through the gates that it equates too? Brackley have a backer who's willing to pick up the bill.
nothing wrong with having a backer

wish we had one
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 12, 2014, 04:07:01 PM
Imagine Altrincham found a sponsor willing to stump up £13,000 a week. Would we turn the money away because we weren't getting the 1000 extra people through the gates that it equates too? Brackley have a backer who's willing to pick up the bill.
nothing wrong with having a backer

wish we had one

agree look at fleetwood
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: markecky on January 12, 2014, 04:24:33 PM
Short short memories.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: York Alty on January 12, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
Short short memories.

Yup.  Been there, dragged to the verge of oblivion.  no desire to do that again.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 05:14:27 PM
Short short memories.
not all money is bad ecky

we need some serious investment
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 12, 2014, 05:16:18 PM
Short short memories.
not all money is bad ecky

we need some serious investment

as long as the backer doesnt want the money back the problem would be when it dried up
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: markecky on January 12, 2014, 05:43:18 PM
All money certainly isn't bad, we could do with three or four more directors to put some money in and some hours in to ease the load on the current directors.  Although a return to a fundraising mindset would be nearly as good.

I could write about 10 pages on this but what's the point.  Perhaps we could let the legal proceedings finish with the last backer before we go for a new one?

I'm falling into the trap of thinking that the 10-15 people that are left on here represent the football club support. I'd love to be able to promote this forum so that some of the other 650 could get involved.

People are trying to engineer a crisis and I'm not really sure why.  The club has never been in a stronger position for many years and if the community hall comes off it will be strong for years to come.  Sorry if that view upsets anyone.

That's the last word from me for few days, lets hope we beat Stockport Sports!


Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Bob on January 12, 2014, 06:38:56 PM
Imagine Altrincham found a sponsor willing to stump up £13,000 a week. Would we turn the money away because we weren't getting the 1000 extra people through the gates that it equates too? Brackley have a backer who's willing to pick up the bill.
nothing wrong with having a backer

wish we had one

agree look at fleetwood

Look at Kettering. Look at Darlington. Look at Northwich. Look at what went through a lot of minds here in May 1995.

There's nothing wrong with aiming high, and wanting more. But be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: eightiesrobin on January 12, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
Did something happen at Altrincham with a backer which went belly-up? The club nearly went bust?

This is a serious question,I have been away for many years and didn't follow football at all for a lot of that. Thanks all.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: bumble on January 12, 2014, 07:08:41 PM
I get annoyed by the perception I have about the club being scared of change.

Whilst we have to apprechiate where we've come from. That should never come at the extend of progress and ambition.

3rd in the league is good, but not exeptional. We have a lot to be happy with but that doesnt mean ignoring what goes wrong, or indeed what is wrong.

We have so much to shout about thats great - Lets shout it from the rooftops. We have areas to work on. Lets work on them. rather than throwing it back that we should be greatful.

I am not saying the issues we have are earth shattering, and perhaps whats annoying about them is theyre so easy to fix!

Please please dont let us become complacient and stagnent - which we are in danger of doing.

We are a safe club but I often wonder if thats our biggest problem.



Oh and Pat - investment is needed, but I reckon is time as much as anything
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jezza on January 12, 2014, 07:08:46 PM
is there an advert for the forum in the programme?.....goes very quiet on here when there is no crisis or we've won.....

for every Fleetwood there is a grays or a canvey island....not so long ago we were enviably eyeing the money going into colne dynamos.

The way forward for alty is strategically through the community and hopefully some financial help for the board although with the shareholding breakup no-one will ever get complete control so we at least should be safe.....

I do think if we can get back into the conference and hold our own playing attractive football our position could snowball upwards with community support.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 07:10:58 PM
Imagine Altrincham found a sponsor willing to stump up £13,000 a week. Would we turn the money away because we weren't getting the 1000 extra people through the gates that it equates too? Brackley have a backer who's willing to pick up the bill.
nothing wrong with having a backer

wish we had one

agree look at fleetwood

Look at Kettering. Look at Darlington. Look at Northwich. Look at what went through a lot of minds here in May 1995.

There's nothing wrong with aiming high, and wanting more. But be careful what you wish for.
look at Fleetwood, Burton, Morecambe, Crawley, Stevenage, Wigan even

we play village teams that have bigger clout than us these days
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 07:15:50 PM
I get annoyed by the perception I have about the club being scared of change.

Whilst we have to apprechiate where we've come from. That should never come at the extend of progress and ambition.

3rd in the league is good, but not exeptional. We have a lot to be happy with but that doesnt mean ignoring what goes wrong, or indeed what is wrong.

We have so much to shout about thats great - Lets shout it from the rooftops. We have areas to work on. Lets work on them. rather than throwing it back that we should be greatful.

I am not saying the issues we have are earth shattering, and perhaps whats annoying about them is theyre so easy to fix!

Please please dont let us become complacient and stagnent - which we are in danger of doing.

We are a safe club but I often wonder if thats our biggest problem.



Oh and Pat - investment is needed, but I reckon is time as much as anything
Good post Jack

Ecky nobody it trying to engineer a crises - but sometimes some people have to say it as it is, and you need to accept that and not get upset
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 07:18:47 PM
Did something happen at Altrincham with a backer which went belly-up? The club nearly went bust?

This is a serious question,I have been away for many years and didn't follow football at all for a lot of that. Thanks all.
yes 19 years ago

and we have been scared to move on ever since
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: blackpoolalty on January 12, 2014, 07:19:08 PM
Did something happen at Altrincham with a backer which went belly-up? The club nearly went bust?

This is a serious question,I have been away for many years and didn't follow football at all for a lot of that. Thanks all.

John Maunders.

Saved at the last minute with bailiffs at the ground IIRC by John King
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 12, 2014, 07:38:32 PM
To be honest I am sometimes a little critical and think we have shown a lack of ambition this can't be said this season the likes of griffin walshaw even perry are big names at this level the board have backed the manager
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 07:42:17 PM
To be honest I am sometimes a little critical and think we have shown a lack of ambition this can't be said this season the likes of griffin walshaw even perry are big names at this level the board have backed the manager
nobody is heckling the current board Jimmy

but more investment is NOT necessarily a bad thing, particularly if we ever want to get back to the conference
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on January 12, 2014, 07:43:23 PM
1995 wasn't the only time it happened to us, though. We were on the verge of going bust in 2002 before Geoff Goodwin and Grahame Rowley saved the day. It took us years and years to get back in the black after those dark days.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on January 12, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
I think we all agree that investment is a good thing. What we don't like the idea of is having one man in charge of everything who could throw his toys out of the pram and pull the plug at any given time.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: taxi Phil on January 12, 2014, 08:33:05 PM
I think we all agree that investment is a good thing. What we don't like the idea of is having one man in charge of everything who could throw his toys out of the pram and pull the plug at any given time.
Precisely. And we need to remind ourselves sometimes that we're part-time. In1979-80 winning the Conference (by whatever name) was the bridge from part time to full time. With all the foreign stars coming into the full time ranks, the level we are at  now equates to where we were back then ! Our survival in Conference National last time up was technically the pinnacle of our league achievements, since the vast majority of opponents were full time.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: eightiesrobin on January 12, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I think we all agree that investment is a good thing. What we don't like the idea of is having one man in charge of everything who could throw his toys out of the pram and pull the plug at any given time.
Precisely. And we need to remind ourselves sometimes that we're part-time. In1979-80 winning the Conference (by whatever name) was the bridge from part time to full time. With all the foreign stars coming into the full time ranks, the level we are at  now equates to where we were back then ! Our survival in Conference National last time up was technically the pinnacle of our league achievements, since the vast majority of opponents were full time.

Yes, it does appear that the Skrill Premier is effectively the 5th division of the football league - "League 3" if you will. 
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
I think we all agree that investment is a good thing. What we don't like the idea of is having one man in charge of everything who could throw his toys out of the pram and pull the plug at any given time.
Precisely. And we need to remind ourselves sometimes that we're part-time. In1979-80 winning the Conference (by whatever name) was the bridge from part time to full time. With all the foreign stars coming into the full time ranks, the level we are at  now equates to where we were back then ! Our survival in Conference National last time up was technically the pinnacle of our league achievements, since the vast majority of opponents were full time.

Yes, it does appear that the Skrill Premier is effectively the 5th division of the football league - "League 3" if you will. 
tell that to Halifax, and all the other part time teams who are more than holding their own
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: blackpoolalty on January 12, 2014, 08:45:01 PM
investment, yes. Money man with ££ who would almost certainly get bored, no thanks.

Seeing as though Fleetwood's been mentioned, do you not think supporters will get bored when they've been in league 2 for 5 seasons? Pilley will and will go. Morecambe slightly different as they are an established league team with long standing supporters
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: blackpoolalty on January 12, 2014, 08:45:50 PM
1995 wasn't the only time it happened to us, though. We were on the verge of going bust in 2002 before Geoff Goodwin and Grahame Rowley saved the day. It took us years and years to get back in the black after those dark days.

How arrogant of me to forget that. Easy to forget really
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: blackpoolalty on January 12, 2014, 08:49:30 PM
I think we all agree that investment is a good thing. What we don't like the idea of is having one man in charge of everything who could throw his toys out of the pram and pull the plug at any given time.
Precisely. And we need to remind ourselves sometimes that we're part-time. In1979-80 winning the Conference (by whatever name) was the bridge from part time to full time. With all the foreign stars coming into the full time ranks, the level we are at  now equates to where we were back then ! Our survival in Conference National last time up was technically the pinnacle of our league achievements, since the vast majority of opponents were full time.

Yes, it does appear that the Skrill Premier is effectively the 5th division of the football league - "League 3" if you will. 
tell that to Halifax, and all the other part time teams who are more than holding their own

Hyde- bottom
Dartford - second bottom
Southport - 19th

Wouldn't say the part time teams are 'holding their own' Nuneaton having a good season but they've just put the whole squad up for sale!
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 12, 2014, 08:54:02 PM
 
tell that to Halifax, and all the other part time teams who are more than holding their own
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I have held my own on many occasions and whilst there was brief joy and satisfaction, it did not last and ultimately I was left back where I started feeling somewhat deflated.

For every success of cash injections, just as many failures could be named. It's a bit of a pointless exercise as every case is different.

For progress to be long term there needs to be a sound foundations to build upon. Any monies coming in need to be sustainable. I don't think anyone wants to be a fat cat's plaything, unless bending over and being taken for all you're worth is up your dark alley of prostitution.

I for one certainly do NOT envy clubs like Brackley.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 12, 2014, 09:07:14 PM
This has certainly strayed from the original topic hardly anyone has mentioned the quality or lack of stefan Moore
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 12, 2014, 09:40:11 PM
This has certainly strayed from the original topic hardly anyone has mentioned the quality or lack of stefan Moore

LOL. He's certainly quality, but I don't believe it has strayed at all. The thread is about Stefan Moore having signed for Brackley and it is therefore perfectly reasonable to debate the reasons for him having gone there. We all know they tempted him away with big bucks and the debate on whether or not that is a good thing was sure to follow.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 12, 2014, 09:46:40 PM
Well atleast you mentioned he's quality non sure what your  lol at
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: wayno on January 12, 2014, 09:48:11 PM
Sadly I'm yet to know of anyone who wants to pump money in for no return - ever

God I hope they exist

Where are they ?

Find them if you can

Only 1 caviat - they can want nothing in return for there investment

Good luck
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 12, 2014, 09:51:12 PM
Well atleast you mentioned he's quality non sure what you lol at

I was laughing at the fact that you seem to think that the only issue of debate when a player moves is whether he's any good or not.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
I think we all agree that investment is a good thing. What we don't like the idea of is having one man in charge of everything who could throw his toys out of the pram and pull the plug at any given time.
Precisely. And we need to remind ourselves sometimes that we're part-time. In1979-80 winning the Conference (by whatever name) was the bridge from part time to full time. With all the foreign stars coming into the full time ranks, the level we are at  now equates to where we were back then ! Our survival in Conference National last time up was technically the pinnacle of our league achievements, since the vast majority of opponents were full time.

Yes, it does appear that the Skrill Premier is effectively the 5th division of the football league - "League 3" if you will. 
tell that to Halifax, and all the other part time teams who are more than holding their own

Hyde- bottom
Dartford - second bottom
Southport - 19th

Wouldn't say the part time teams are 'holding their own' Nuneaton having a good season but they've just put the whole squad up for sale!
Halifax - 7th
Nuneaton - 9th
Salisbury - 10th
Braintree - 11th
Welling - 14th
Woking - 17th

I would call that holding their own
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 12, 2014, 09:52:43 PM
Easily amused
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 12, 2014, 09:53:29 PM
Easily amused

Aren't I the lucky one?
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy on January 12, 2014, 09:55:01 PM
I don't know
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: eightiesrobin on January 13, 2014, 07:35:04 AM
I think we all agree that investment is a good thing. What we don't like the idea of is having one man in charge of everything who could throw his toys out of the pram and pull the plug at any given time.
Precisely. And we need to remind ourselves sometimes that we're part-time. In1979-80 winning the Conference (by whatever name) was the bridge from part time to full time. With all the foreign stars coming into the full time ranks, the level we are at  now equates to where we were back then ! Our survival in Conference National last time up was technically the pinnacle of our league achievements, since the vast majority of opponents were full time.

Yes, it does appear that the Skrill Premier is effectively the 5th division of the football league - "League 3" if you will. 
tell that to Halifax, and all the other part time teams who are more than holding their own

Hyde- bottom
Dartford - second bottom
Southport - 19th

Wouldn't say the part time teams are 'holding their own' Nuneaton having a good season but they've just put the whole squad up for sale!
Halifax - 7th
Nuneaton - 9th
Salisbury - 10th
Braintree - 11th
Welling - 14th
Woking - 17th

I would call that holding their own


Chester 22nd. By my reckoning, that means of 10 part-time teams, 6 of them are in the bottom half of the table. 3 more sit just above the bottom half.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jezza on January 13, 2014, 07:51:52 AM
we have had backing of the right sort in recent years with carol nash, Geoff Goodwin (free team coaches worth an awful lot) and JD.

Other income could have come from a cup run ffs.

Those of us who have been around following maunders departure and then Gerry berman's departure can assure those of you who weren't that it is not worth the risk of being a businessman's toy for the sake of a short ride....we paid heavily for one promotion with big name players and are now back where we were luckily, we could have been playing one of the northwich teams regularly!!!!

With the break up of the shareholding no-one can have overall control or say in the club so the only serious investment if it comes will be from someone who has the genuine interests of the club at heart....which would be lovely.....meanwhile the likes of brackley and others will be long gone in a few years time....Fleetwood may be seen as a strong example but then Gretna looked fairly safe didn't they?
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Hale Alty on January 13, 2014, 08:48:36 AM
Notice in my example I did say sponsor, not director putting in loans. A commercial sponsor wouldn't be getting (or expect to get) the money back.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: bumble on January 13, 2014, 09:40:22 AM

Not a single person wants to be a rich play thing. Can people learn there different types of investment?

Theres a difference between Dragons Den and loan sharks money to.invest.

Yes we have to be wary. Nobody wants another ridgeway. But Nobody has said lets sell pur soul just for the sake of .t.

We do things a certain way at the club. We dont do big bold and brash. We dont go  rob players for an extra 50 quid and a pack of quavers. Were a decent honest club. Rowley wouldnt just sell to some.dodgy gangster from.Crewe.

At times I wish we were a bit more shaper in the tooth., But this stability is something we should be proud of. That in 15 years Ill still.be watching the same club and not some.micky mouse AFC version. And I think we have players in the squad who are probably with us because of the harmony and stability here.

But as Ill continue to say, we should always be looking to move the club to the next level. Be it through attracting.solid outside investment like JD scrap and Go Goodwin or  just improving within and getting the little bits sorted. If we do all we can, Ill sit back and say nothing, however things can always be improved.

For all those who say how good the club is, and how much weve got to be proud, just think. If wed have stopped pushing forward wed have no Alty TV, No Radio Robins etc. This club has amazing potential and nobody want to jepodise that position for the sake of a few golden years but the beauty of stability is it gives you a great foundation to push forward!
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2014, 09:56:47 AM
Spot on Jack

By the way eightiesrobin Chester are full time, hence why they lost their best players and are no struggling
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: eightiesrobin on January 13, 2014, 10:18:40 AM
Spot on Jack

By the way eightiesrobin Chester are full time, hence why they lost their best players and are no struggling

When did Chester go full time? Everything I can find on the net suggests they were staying p/t for the season. Willing to be corrected, of course.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 13, 2014, 10:47:24 AM
Chester aren't full time, they lost all their players because they went to 3 training sessions a week from the traditional 2. Salisbury however are full time, and never stopped being full time, hence they steamed straight back through the leagues with successive promotions.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: eightiesrobin on January 13, 2014, 10:57:10 AM
Thanks for clearing that up.

So that's 9 part-time teams, 6 of which are in the bottom half, including 5 in the bottom 8?

Who was the last part-time outfit to win the conference premier?
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 13, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
Allegedly burton, but more realistically Kidderminster harriers who went full time after promotion
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy Hill on January 13, 2014, 12:08:09 PM
People who have a lot of money tend to be quite good at investing it in things that will make them more money.

Putting money into a non-league football club is not, on any reasonable understanding of the word, a good investment.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: cheshire cat on January 13, 2014, 01:38:14 PM
If you are going to try to rationalise things where do you stop? Investing in ANY football club is a stupid thing to do if you expect to become richer as a result.

So why bother. We are all hoping to have a successful season and see the team promoted but to what end? So we can see the team lose more than they win next year.

One of my mates supports Oldham and is pretty fed up of seeing them lose on a regular basis. He's actually said a couple of times that things might be better if they got relegated to Division 2. I'm not sure if he's right. Will the revenue streams shrink too leading to smaller budgets and an even weaker team.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Ballers on January 13, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
we have had backing of the right sort in recent years with carol nash, Geoff Goodwin (free team coaches worth an awful lot) and JD.

Other income could have come from a cup run ffs.

Those of us who have been around following maunders departure and then Gerry berman's departure can assure those of you who weren't that it is not worth the risk of being a businessman's toy for the sake of a short ride....we paid heavily for one promotion with big name players and are now back where we were luckily, we could have been playing one of the northwich teams regularly!!!!

With the break up of the shareholding no-one can have overall control or say in the club so the only serious investment if it comes will be from someone who has the genuine interests of the club at heart....which would be lovely.....meanwhile the likes of brackley and others will be long gone in a few years time....Fleetwood may be seen as a strong example but then Gretna looked fairly safe didn't they?

Only if you weren't paying attention. Nobody I knew thought Brooks Mileson was a long term thing...
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2014, 09:12:06 PM
Name a club that hasn't benefited from stable good investment in team and infrastructure?

It's not all about Ridgeway Road, as some would have you believe

Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2014, 09:24:41 PM
Allegedly burton, but more realistically Kidderminster harriers who went full time after promotion
if Chester aren't full time Burton most certainly were not

but this is not the point - the point is a well managed semi pro team can succeed in the conference with the right amount of investment

And that is the bracket we should be in, not playing second fiddle to village teams in Skrill North

but it takes bollocks and hard work to get there

investment could be a good thing? Lets not be scared of it, Ridgeway Road is a long way away now
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on January 13, 2014, 09:27:43 PM
Who's saying that stable good investment isn't a good thing? That's exactly what most people are advocating.

We ended up at Ridgeway Road because one man held all the cards and nearly closed us down. Only one person on this thread has said they would welcome "a backer" as far as I can see....
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2014, 09:35:37 PM
Who's saying that stable good investment isn't a good thing? That's exactly what most people are advocating.

We ended up at Ridgeway Road because one man held all the cards and nearly closed us down. Only one person on this thread has said they would welcome "a backer" as far as I can see....
well lets turn up in big numbers tomorrow then, it will help the coffers
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Jimmy Hill on January 13, 2014, 09:38:36 PM
I still think it's a bit odd to describe someone putting money in and not wanting it back as investment. What we're looking for is a patron, someone who will pick up the tab for ground improvements, infrastructure, even wages etc.

The problem is that if they're not already a supporter, what would motivate someone to put money into the club? Usually, I'd imagine, it would be for ego reasons. They like to be in charge, have people shaking their hand etc. The difficulty with this is that it doesn't really sit well with how the club is run at the moment.

Ideally we'd want someone willing to put their hand in their pocket and then just sit back while the club gets on with it. I don't think there are many of these type of people around though...
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on January 13, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
I think "investment", whilst not the dictionary-perfect term, is the generally accepted way of describing this kind of financial input.
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2014, 09:46:15 PM
I still think it's a bit odd to describe someone putting money in and not wanting it back as investment. What we're looking for is a patron, someone who will pick up the tab for ground improvements, infrastructure, even wages etc.

The problem is that if they're not already a supporter, what would motivate someone to put money into the club? Usually, I'd imagine, it would be for ego reasons. They like to be in charge, have people shaking their hand etc. The difficulty with this is that it doesn't really sit well with how the club is run at the moment.

Ideally we'd want someone willing to put their hand in their pocket and then just sit back while the club gets on with it. I don't think there are many of these type of people around though...
exactly

you can look at most boards at our level and above and you will find very few that are true supporters

it just the way of life, and always has been. Anyway I buy 10 lottery tickets every week, so fingers crossed
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
I think "investment", whilst not the dictionary-perfect term, is the generally accepted way of describing this kind of financial input.
lol, lets not get to technical

investment in the club is what I mean, not investors balance sheets

Football is f**ked if your going to worry about returns
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: eightiesrobin on January 13, 2014, 10:32:48 PM
Another serious question - what is / was Ridgeway Road? Thanks in advance...
Title: Re: Leamingtons Stefan Moore
Post by: cheshire cat on January 13, 2014, 11:23:13 PM
Yes, I'd like to know the answer to that. I thought it was Stockport County's training ground until recently.