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Title: TONIGHT
Post by: ALTYGAL on January 07, 2014, 08:23:59 PM
What the HELL is going on 1-3 down before half time JEEZ hope Sinnout got a plan B tonight ! >:(
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: VofD on January 07, 2014, 08:32:02 PM
All these personnel and tactical changes to accommodate Higginbotham could cost us. The centre  halves should be Havern and Marshall : END OF >:( >:(
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 07, 2014, 08:34:38 PM
All these personnel and tactical changes to accommodate Higginbotham could cost us. The centre  halves should be Havern and Marshall : END OF >:( >:(

Havern and Higg for me
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: roytonmike on January 07, 2014, 08:35:22 PM
All these personnel and tactical changes to accommodate Higginbotham could cost us. The center halves should be Havern and Marshall : END OF >:( >:(
Totally agree. John Laidlar's comment to the effect that Trinity have no recognised centre-half, we have three, & they're 3-1 up says it all. The signs were there to be seen on Saturday & going by the matchday updates they haven't been recognised. The system MUST BE 4-4-2.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: ALTYGAL on January 07, 2014, 08:36:18 PM
He's been the cause of 2 out 5 goals we have let in, in 1.5 games. 

Before you all jump down my throat, I know he needs time to settle in just saying.

Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: roytonmike on January 07, 2014, 08:38:35 PM
The point is not the personnel, it's the system. As JL says on the update service, three at the back is not working.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Nom de plume on January 07, 2014, 08:39:12 PM
All these personnel and tactical changes to accommodate Higginbotham could cost us. The centre  halves should be Havern and Marshall : END OF >:( >:(
The players got Sinnout out of jail on Saturday. He is tactically inept and unless the players do it again tonight he'll be found out as such for the umpteenth time. The successes we are having are in spite of Sinnott, not because of him.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Beaver on January 07, 2014, 08:40:29 PM
Sinnout

He just hasn't got the bite that will drive the team to grasp the nettle and get top of the table and stay there.

Be honest, who is truly surprised by us throwing it away again here?
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: joe on January 07, 2014, 08:44:48 PM
Sinnout

He just hasn't got the bite that will drive the team to grasp the nettle and get top of the table and stay there.

Be honest, who is truly surprised by us throwing it away again here?

This
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: blackpoolalty on January 07, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
Doesn't sound good when it's being reported that players are having to tell other players where they should be during the game. These bonkers formations will trip us up. For me what I've seen of Griffin he's no better than Doughty, for the time being I would put Higg at left back and keep Densmore, Havern and Marshall as it's been. Granted I'm not there tonight but we need to use another get out of jail free and I'm not sure there all gone already...
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Pat on January 07, 2014, 08:56:53 PM
Manager is a clown, how much fortune does he want, but still he f**k up

Most tactically inept manager we have ever had, we had bad teams before, but I never seen a manager make decent players a bad team like this chap

Sinnout whilst we still have a chance
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Stan Hibbert on January 07, 2014, 09:05:22 PM
The guy's clueless. Always has been. Ok, maybe accommodate Higginbotham but playing Luca at LB and CM in the same game??????
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: distancetraveller on January 07, 2014, 09:10:04 PM
I have to say LS reminds me of someone playing FIFA 2012 sometimes. As soon as it goes tits up then its fkn panic stations with formation changes and subs coming on . He does give the impression of being naive on certain occasions
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: oneedham on January 07, 2014, 09:11:57 PM
He is one of the worst managers we've had for tactics!  He has the squad but the clown has gone with the formation that clearly nearly costed us on Sat. Perry ain't good enough, Clee central is a waste and ineffective,  we don't play on the ground without wide men, we need dens right back, I'd play higgy defensive cent mid but if we feel we must play him then centre back with havern but I think leather deserves his place in defence as centre back. No crosses without wide men, which means hoof up to Perry!  Sinnott frustrates me soooooooo much arghhhh probably come back now!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: joe on January 07, 2014, 09:15:12 PM
I feel sorry for the supporters that have spent hard earned money and spent time and effort to go tonight only to be served up another tactical inept load of drivel!

Sinnout!!!!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Jezza on January 07, 2014, 09:20:12 PM
For me Higginbotham should have the experience to sit just in front of the defence and organise things

Marshall was an excellent signing and makes a good partner for Luca who should not be being pushed around to accommodate a player who hasn't settled in yet.

Griffin a good signing but we needed a right winger more than we needed a slightly better player than Buzz (and Buzz has a better understanding with clee)

We missed scott tonight who for me should be RB with densmore filling in the right midfield gap.

SINNOUT!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: blackpoolalty on January 07, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
I feel sorry for the supporters that have spent hard earned money and spent time and effort to go tonight only to be served up another tactical inept load of drivel!

Sinnout!!!!

Good point really. I don't think I could help my mouth if I was there
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: oneedham on January 07, 2014, 09:21:58 PM
To add I like Marshall but currently not fit and too slow. Let's try this team please gk coburn lb griffin rb densmore cb havern cb leather rw richman cm higgy cm moult lw clee cf reeves cf walshaw in a 4-4-2 formation.  Lee I dare you to give it a go, I dare you!  At times with sinnott it's a tactical mess
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Jezza on January 07, 2014, 09:25:13 PM
at least that makes sense and balance Mr Needham...only Higginbotham out of position but like I said a plyer of his experience should be capable of controlling a skrill North match from midfield?
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Stan Hibbert on January 07, 2014, 09:26:10 PM
To add I like Marshall but currently not fit and too slow. Let's try this team please gk coburn lb griffin rb densmore cb havern cb leather rw richman cm higgy cm moult lw clee cf reeves cf walshaw in a 4-4-2 formation.  Lee I dare you to give it a go, I dare you!  At times with sinnott it's a tactical mess

Absolutely Spot On...!!!!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: robininstockport on January 07, 2014, 09:27:14 PM
Trouble is he now has too many cards to play with.

Id put Higingbottom in front of the back four, which has been quite steady, but he seems intent on only playing hIm as a cb.

Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: oneedham on January 07, 2014, 09:29:03 PM
I said to my friend I was excited about Higgy signing but worried how sinnott will change it to accommodate him and it's proving me right again.  Not known many top professionals stand out when dropping divisions to see out their career. Firstly revert back to 4-4-2 now walshaw is injured. I am fuming tonight
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Jezza on January 07, 2014, 09:34:51 PM
Lee playing his last card currently;

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Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: York Alty on January 07, 2014, 09:37:11 PM
pissing bollocks
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Jezza on January 07, 2014, 09:37:16 PM
refused by the ref...now 5-3....sorry, 5-4  ;D

should have won this 4-0 with an ORGANISED TEAM WITH TACTICS!!!!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Stan Hibbert on January 07, 2014, 09:38:18 PM
Clueless Sinnott, absolutely clueless.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Beaver on January 07, 2014, 09:38:25 PM
That should have been a cup final for us tonight. To go in 3-1 down because we weren't up for it and the players didn't know where they were supposed to play is purely down to the manager. Bobbins
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Hamilton on January 07, 2014, 09:39:10 PM
He is one of the worst managers we've had for tactics!  He has the squad but the clown has gone with the formation that clearly nearly costed us on Sat. Perry ain't good enough, Clee central is a waste and ineffective,  we don't play on the ground without wide men, we need dens right back, I'd play higgy defensive cent mid but if we feel we must play him then centre back with havern but I think leather deserves his place in defence as centre back. No crosses without wide men, which means hoof up to Perry!  Sinnott frustrates me soooooooo much arghhhh probably come back now!

In fairness, Perry's been one of few bright stars tonight.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Hamilton on January 07, 2014, 09:42:19 PM
The starting formation and then some of the tactical and positional decisions tonight indicate very muddled thinking.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Nom de plume on January 07, 2014, 09:42:38 PM
ATS, would you like to try and defend the idiot? If so, please start another thread cos I like the flavour of this one.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: oneedham on January 07, 2014, 09:43:31 PM
Fair point about Perry but he's far from fit, he's actually in a disgraceful physical condition. However Perry against better teams will be ineffective and when he plays we play ugly, but that is not his fault.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Ashley Alty on January 07, 2014, 09:47:55 PM
What chance now for Saturday, I hope it is rained off, no Clee, Walshaw? Richman? Leather?  I couldn't watch, might take a blind fold with me  :-[
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: ASMO on January 07, 2014, 09:50:36 PM
Cant keep blaming  Perry , i said after Saturday we cant play that formation , just to fit Higgingbotham , Nicky wasted in mid ,how the f**k can we have so many defenders and not be able to defend .
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Jezza on January 07, 2014, 09:52:08 PM
case of too many cooks...
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 07, 2014, 09:52:26 PM
What chance now for Saturday, I hope it is rained off, no Clee, Walshaw? Richman? Leather?  I couldn't watch, might take a blind fold with me  :-[

why no clee ?
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Hamilton on January 07, 2014, 09:53:12 PM
What chance now for Saturday, I hope it is rained off, no Clee, Walshaw? Richman? Leather?  I couldn't watch, might take a blind fold with me  :-[

why no clee ?

Too many yellows?
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Ashley Alty on January 07, 2014, 09:53:48 PM
Clee suspended for Sat
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: ASMO on January 07, 2014, 09:54:04 PM
Still have Smikle  ;D
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: oneedham on January 07, 2014, 09:55:03 PM
Cant keep blaming  Perry , i said after Saturday we cant play that formation , just to fit Higgingbotham , Nicky wasted in mid ,how the f**k can we have so many defenders and not be able to defend .
    like I said NOT his fault but not fit enough and walshaw will constantly chase down and brings a lot more to the team. I blame Sinnott and his sh*te tactics,  always have done!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: roytonmike on January 07, 2014, 09:58:11 PM
What chance now for Saturday, I hope it is rained off, no Clee, Walshaw? Richman? Leather?  I couldn't watch, might take a blind fold with me  :-[
First things first - revert to a BACK FOUR; play four in midfield & two up front.
Clee is suspended on Saturday as I understand it (accumulated bookings); presumably Lawrie will have to come in, particularly if Walshaw's injury tonight proves serious enough to keep him out. We need Richman & Leather badly on the right hand side; if either or both are unavailable there will be a problem, as Wilkinson isn't equipped to play on heavy grounds, but the basic point remains that we have to play 4-4-2 and keep it as simple as possible.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Bath Alty on January 07, 2014, 09:59:42 PM
It's not rocket science -

who is our best defender? - Luca at centre back so play him there and don't move him whatever else you do.

How do we create most of our chances - Clee from out wide so play him there and don't move him whatever else you do

Siinot managed to cock it up on both counts in both our last two games
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 07, 2014, 10:01:10 PM
Kyle Perry was superb tonight, absolutely superb, the reason we chucked away 3 easy points was trying to play 3 centre backs none of who knew who was doing what and stood off time and time again and by half time the damage was done, very poor tactics, shocking infact, kid in a sweet shop stuff....
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: taxi Phil on January 07, 2014, 10:01:22 PM
I know we've signed a class player, but we're trying to work everything out around him, rather than slottiing him into a place where he can contribute to a relatively successful format.

It's the Ben Mills scenario all over again. Thank goodness I didn't go tonight.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Nasha on January 07, 2014, 10:02:49 PM
2 sh*t defences,ours slightly worse. Perry our best player tonight, scored 2 and grafted,so anyone having a pop at him tonight are bizarre. If reeves put his chances away may be a different game. Anyone who still says 4-4-2 isn't the right formation,look at the last 2 performances. Been like how we were 2 years ago (great attacking,awful defending).

Not one for singling out players, but James Lawrie. A talented player. But stop fannying out of 70:30 balls,never mind 50:50!!

Onwards to Telford. Should be a great game,and hopefully we can sort out defence on training Thursday.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Bath Alty on January 07, 2014, 10:03:42 PM
         Stu
Leather    Havern   Marshall   Griffin
Richman  Moult Rogers  Clee
       2 from 3

swap Dens in for Scott or Richman (in which case Richman in for Rogers)
swap Buzz in for Griffin
try Higgy in for Rogers
which 2 from 3 is up for debate

Plenty of things to try without buggering the whole thing up completely
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: roytonmike on January 07, 2014, 10:09:37 PM
If Bath Alty's team is intended for Saturday the following points need to be made;
1. Clee is unavailable (suspended - bookings)
2. Leather (& Smikle, incidentally) was reported as ill & therefore unavailable this evening
3. Richman was reported as injured & therefore unavailable this evening
4. Walshaw has picked up an injury this evening
Options may be somewhat more limited than you would suggest in the short term at least.
Romeo 48 has it right - we can't remodel to accommodate one particular player; a number of our players are just not technically capable of so doing.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Bath Alty on January 07, 2014, 10:11:05 PM
It was more aimed at what Lee should have done in the last two games instead of moving our best players out of their best positions
  For Saturday

     Stu
Scott  Havern  Marshall  Griffin
Richman  Moult  Higgy   Buzz
        Perry    Reeves

Dens in for Richman if still injured, hoping Scott is back from illness.  If not Dens at RB and Wilkinson / Lawrie plays RM. 
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: roytonmike on January 07, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
It was more aimed at what Lee should have done in the last two games instead of moving our best players out of their best positions
Point taken.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: GolfRoader on January 07, 2014, 10:27:22 PM
Looks like 3-5-2 hasn't worked. We move on. He's not playing Higg in midfield possibly because he's just come back from injury? I don't know but new players = some disarray in the team and we're not going to click overnight. I know this is a good opportunity for the "SINNOUT" brigade but a bit more patience is due I think, especially as we're still 3rd in the league.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 07, 2014, 10:31:15 PM
We should be top of the league, we keep throwing away points, as for "patience" well our patience ,being forced to do 30mph over the woodhead pass due to high winds after watching that utter farce is being severely tested
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Pat on January 07, 2014, 10:31:45 PM
Looks like 3-5-2 hasn't worked. We move on. He's not playing Higg in midfield possibly because he's just come back from injury? I don't know but new players = some disarray in the team and we're not going to click overnight. I know this is a good opportunity for the "SINNOUT" brigade but a bit more patience is due I think, especially as we're still 3rd in the league.
the fact that we still third in the league is the problem

or is third good enough in January?
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: distancetraveller on January 07, 2014, 10:34:24 PM
I often think what is the point of forumites obsession with posting what they think the team should be for each and every game when we don't know for certain who is or isn't available. But then again I suppose it gives the frustrated/budding managers amongst us a go at picking the team.

Maybe if we just have a dozen or so guys available for Sat it will stop LS pissing about so much  ;)
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: GolfRoader on January 07, 2014, 10:35:35 PM
Looks like 3-5-2 hasn't worked. We move on. He's not playing Higg in midfield possibly because he's just come back from injury? I don't know but new players = some disarray in the team and we're not going to click overnight. I know this is a good opportunity for the "SINNOUT" brigade but a bit more patience is due I think, especially as we're still 3rd in the league.
the fact that we still third in the league is the problem

or is third good enough in January?

At the moment it is yes, especially when the gap between third and first is 2 points. It's certainly not grounds for making drastic changes,
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Louise1234 on January 07, 2014, 10:36:28 PM
I don know why you're all getting upset, AFC Telford will catch fire and win this league anyway.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: GolfRoader on January 07, 2014, 10:37:48 PM
I don know why you're all getting upset, AFC Telford will catch fire and win this league anyway.

Saturday is certainly going to be interesting.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Nom de plume on January 07, 2014, 10:37:56 PM
Looks like 3-5-2 hasn't worked. We move on. He's not playing Higg in midfield possibly because he's just come back from injury? I don't know but new players = some disarray in the team and we're not going to click overnight. I know this is a good opportunity for the "SINNOUT" brigade but a bit more patience is due I think, especially as we're still 3rd in the league.

FFS
Why was it obvious to all that we got away with this formation on Saturday? Luckily. Shouldn't the manager be smarter than the fans? My patience time-clock started at Gigg Lane when we played FCUM  a couple of years ago. By his substitutions ( especially taking Jack Redshaw off)  he ensured we lost the ascendency we had at that time and went on to lose. He has continually demonstrated since that day he does not know who best to select or where to play his players. It's consistent. It's continual. It's Sinnott. You can argue he's better than Heathcote and McKenna but he's not the Messiah. We can do better.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Louise1234 on January 07, 2014, 10:38:36 PM
Sinnout

He just hasn't got the bite that will drive the team to grasp the nettle and get top of the table and stay there.

Be honest, who is truly surprised by us throwing it away again here?

Nobody's surprised. It's football.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: York Alty on January 07, 2014, 10:39:46 PM
Looks like 3-5-2 hasn't worked. We move on. He's not playing Higg in midfield possibly because he's just come back from injury? I don't know but new players = some disarray in the team and we're not going to click overnight. I know this is a good opportunity for the "SINNOUT" brigade but a bit more patience is due I think, especially as we're still 3rd in the league.
the fact that we still third in the league is the problem

or is third good enough in January?

At the moment it is yes, especially when the gap between third and first is 2 points. It's certainly not grounds for making drastic changes,

Had a cuppa tea, still angry about the manner of the defeat but this is correct.  Changing manager now would be bonkers.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Louise1234 on January 07, 2014, 10:40:21 PM
I don know why you're all getting upset, AFC Telford will catch fire and win this league anyway.

Saturday is certainly going to be interesting.
Hopefully their new star signing " apparently" wont be signed this week, before Alty play them.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 07, 2014, 10:41:47 PM
we have one of the best if not the best squad in this league need to find right formula and be consistent
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Louise1234 on January 07, 2014, 10:43:02 PM
What chance now for Saturday, I hope it is rained off, no Clee, Walshaw? Richman? Leather?  I couldn't watch, might take a blind fold with me  :-[
Get it called off
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Louise1234 on January 07, 2014, 10:51:11 PM
we have one of the best if not the best squad in this league need to find right formula and be consistent
Alty's squad certain is up there certainly in the best two squads, along with Telford, who in my personal opinion have the best squad. Alty players know that this league is there for the taking at this moment in time, if Alty hadn't thrown silly points away they could find themselves 4 or 5 points clear by now. Although 4 or 5 points clear doesn't mean you're nailed on for the league, it's certainly more comfortable than being 2 or 3 behind. What Alty don't want to do now Is to lose to Telford on Saturday. They are rapidly improving and it's looking pretty ominous for the rest of the conference north.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Hamilton on January 07, 2014, 10:57:10 PM
Looks like 3-5-2 hasn't worked. We move on. He's not playing Higg in midfield possibly because he's just come back from injury? I don't know but new players = some disarray in the team and we're not going to click overnight. I know this is a good opportunity for the "SINNOUT" brigade but a bit more patience is due I think, especially as we're still 3rd in the league.

FFS
Why was it obvious to all that we got away with this formation on Saturday? Luckily. Shouldn't the manager be smarter than the fans? My patience time-clock started at Gigg Lane when we played FCUM  a couple of years ago. By his substitutions ( especially taking Jack Redshaw off)  he ensured we lost the ascendency we had at that time and went on to lose. He has continually demonstrated since that day he does not know who best to select or where to play his players. It's consistent. It's continual. It's Sinnott. You can argue he's better than Heathcote and McKenna but he's not the Messiah. We can do better.

He's a very naughty boy!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Nom de plume on January 07, 2014, 11:10:52 PM
And a member of the PFJ........poor fkn judgement
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: JTH on January 07, 2014, 11:16:09 PM
Just back. It was a dreadful display, with too many players under par, not helped by playing two of our key performers out of position, Luca and Nicky. Of most concern to me is the apparent abandonment of the passing football that has characterised our play for the last 18 months. Last season's corresponding game saw the best 45 mins of LS's tenure with Lawrie playing in the middle behind Reeves, a similar formation saw the 2nd half demolition of Guiseley.  This was a much poorer Trinity side who didn't have to do more than work hard and wait to be gifted goals. The fact we scored 4 is more a reflection on their vulnerability than our creativity I'm afraid. Can't fault Kyle for his workrate, I just think his inclusion means our playing style suffers as a result. A lot for LS to ponder, we can still get promoted and even win the league, but not if we manage to conjour up a performance anything like this again.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on January 07, 2014, 11:58:36 PM
ATS, would you like to try and defend the idiot? If so, please start another thread cos I like the flavour of this one.

Well as I have been told on here more times than I'd care to count that I cannot comment on a game I didn't see NO I wouldn't

However, on a more general note I find it a combination of frustrating and perversely amusing how opinion on here can vacillate so extremely. On any given match day (when we win) LS is almost a demi god in the eyes of some. However should we lose or in certain cases merely draw with teams percieved by some correspondents as inferior he is quite the most clueless buffoon ever to see the light of day. Should we then win again in the following fixture, some are raising a statue to him.

Just an observation on the peculiarities of football supporters in general and, might I say Alty fans more specifically?
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: wayno on January 08, 2014, 12:26:30 AM
ATS, would you like to try and defend the idiot? If so, please start another thread cos I like the flavour of this one.

Well as I have been told on here more times than I'd care to count that I cannot comment on a game I didn't see NO I wouldn't

However, on a more general note I find it a combination of frustrating and perversely amusing how opinion on here can vacillate so extremely. On any given match day (when we win) LS is almost a demi god in the eyes of some. However should we lose or in certain cases merely draw with teams percieved by some correspondents as inferior he is quite the most clueless buffoon ever to see the light of day. Should we then win again in the following fixture, some are raising a statue to him.

Just an observation on the peculiarities of football supporters in general and, might I say Alty fans more specifically?
i actually agree phil :)
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Mick on January 08, 2014, 12:36:06 AM
ATS, would you like to try and defend the idiot? If so, please start another thread cos I like the flavour of this one.

Well as I have been told on here more times than I'd care to count that I cannot comment on a game I didn't see NO I wouldn't

However, on a more general note I find it a combination of frustrating and perversely amusing how opinion on here can vacillate so extremely. On any given match day (when we win) LS is almost a demi god in the eyes of some. However should we lose or in certain cases merely draw with teams percieved by some correspondents as inferior he is quite the most clueless buffoon ever to see the light of day. Should we then win again in the following fixture, some are raising a statue to him.

Just an observation on the peculiarities of football supporters in general and, might I say Alty fans more specifically?

I agree with you as well........ups then downs...........and then the cycle repeats
I will sit on the fence and reserve my judgement until the management team have completed 3 seasons at Moss Lane with what has often been described by some as as a 'competitive budget'
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: ASMO on January 08, 2014, 12:42:09 AM
Thats the fans prerogative , thats why we have a forum to vent our feelings ,and our feelings change depending on how we perform on any given game , we all can manage  the team from the touchline ,but would we be able to do the job for real ,not me im sure .
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Toff Apple on January 08, 2014, 07:48:00 AM
I don know why you're all getting upset, AFC Telford will catch fire and win this league anyway.

Saturday is certainly going to be interesting.
Hopefully their new star signing " apparently" wont be signed this week, before Alty play them.

Looks like its andy Mangan from Wrexham and he's not that good anymore
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: markecky on January 08, 2014, 08:17:34 AM
Not ploughing through all this as its too depressing on top  of last night.

Manager gambled on the new formation working 2nd time out and it didn't. However screaming about the manager is great news for the players as it masks some truely dreadful individual performances that were nothing to do with positions.

And as for having a go at Perry, he scored twice, hit the bar and was involved in most things up front. Best player of a bad bunch last night.

Back to the drawing board on Saturday.


Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 08, 2014, 08:19:54 AM
Agree about perry mate, a fantastic performance by him
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: ASMO on January 08, 2014, 08:25:03 AM
Perry has scored nine goals this season ,five in the last five games , good return for such a bad player .
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Pat on January 08, 2014, 10:09:25 AM
Not ploughing through all this as its too depressing on top  of last night.

Manager gambled on the new formation working 2nd time out and it didn't. However screaming about the manager is great news for the players as it masks some truely dreadful individual performances that were nothing to do with positions.

And as for having a go at Perry, he scored twice, hit the bar and was involved in most things up front. Best player of a bad bunch last night.

Back to the drawing board on Saturday.



how can you expect players to play well when they playing out of position? Clearly down to the manager

Perry has upped his game recently, fair play to him. But it dose nothing for our overall style of play, which used to be passing!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Trouty on January 08, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
I am not LS biggest fan and some of his tactical decisions do baffle me but blaming him for everything is just the easy option.

Too many players are having a good game one week bad game the next, maybe this is Sinnotts fault for not
motivatiing them(Im not sure) and changing formations but we have played badly defensively when playing 442.

Last nights match could have been so different if Reeves had scored his2 one on ones in the first half and
players were not trying to be too clever on the edge of their own box and being dispossesed but whos to blame for this?

Perry was my m.o.m last night but I think when he is in the team its an easy option just to lump the ball up to him rather than keep
the ball on the ground and play football but this is not perrys fault.

Was the signing of DH forced on the manager, had he been in his plans before xmas why would he have signed Marshall?

LS is not going to be sacked do we might as well concentrate on getting behind the team and try and win this league
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: bighairedmike on January 08, 2014, 11:47:48 AM
Not ploughing through all this as its too depressing on top  of last night.

Manager gambled on the new formation working 2nd time out and it didn't. However screaming about the manager is great news for the players as it masks some truely dreadful individual performances that were nothing to do with positions.

And as for having a go at Perry, he scored twice, hit the bar and was involved in most things up front. Best player of a bad bunch last night.

Back to the drawing board on Saturday.



how can you expect players to play well when they playing out of position[/b]? Clearly down to the manager

Perry has upped his game recently, fair play to him. But it dose nothing for our overall style of play, which used to be passing!

For the first 20 minutes only Nicky Clee was playing out of position, and that was in a role he excelled in when we played Hednesford at home.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: markecky on January 08, 2014, 12:40:03 PM
Not ploughing through all this as its too depressing on top  of last night.

Manager gambled on the new formation working 2nd time out and it didn't. However screaming about the manager is great news for the players as it masks some truely dreadful individual performances that were nothing to do with positions.

And as for having a go at Perry, he scored twice, hit the bar and was involved in most things up front. Best player of a bad bunch last night.

Back to the drawing board on Saturday.



how can you expect players to play well when they playing out of position? Clearly down to the manager

Perry has upped his game recently, fair play to him. But it dose nothing for our overall style of play, which used to be passing!

I wasn't talking about goals conceded due to people not being sure of what they were doing, that is certainly down to the manager.  I just mean that no manager can be responsible for some of the poor individual errors made last night at both ends.

Totally agree about passing but my opinion is that we still have a glaring gap on the right.  I believe we are trying to fill it but it has to happen soon.

If we had an outlet on the right it would change a lot I feel, give us options.  Perry could lay it out to either side if nothing on for him or Reeves.  For now everything has to be to the left and if Nicky Clee plays inside then we don't have a left either.

For me on Saturday its Danny in for Marshall, Leather at RB if better, dens RM, Griffin at LB with Doughty left wing, Moult and Richman (if better otherwise Rodgers) in the middle and Perry and Reeves up front.

Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: ManagementGuru on January 08, 2014, 12:47:29 PM
Actiually, and perhaps with hindsight i would not have started Higgy until we had at least had a couple of training sessions so that we could work out how to play with 3 at the back, or with Havern in midfield, or with Higgy in midfield, or...

Lets not try to find out if something works when 4-1 down.

If he was Chester's best player in the Conf national, then he can be ours too.  But we need to make sure that everyone is comfortable with a Plan A formation, and their role in it and with a Plan B formation also.

We cannot afford defensive frailty on Saturday.  I would look to reproduce the formation and personnel of the 1-0 grinded out wins over Solihull and Brackley even if that means Higgy on bench
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 08, 2014, 12:49:45 PM
ATS, would you like to try and defend the idiot? If so, please start another thread cos I like the flavour of this one.


However, on a more general note I find it a combination of frustrating and perversely amusing how opinion on here can vacillate so extremely. On any given match day (when we win) LS is almost a demi god in the eyes of some. However should we lose or in certain cases merely draw with teams percieved by some correspondents as inferior he is quite the most clueless buffoon ever to see the light of day. Should we then win again in the following fixture, some are raising a statue to him.

Just an observation on the peculiarities of football supporters in general and, might I say Alty fans more specifically?



In a roundabout fashion there, Phil, you have actually captured the essence of Lee Sinnott's tenure at Moss Lane/The J Davidson Stadium.

Every time that we look like we are making real progress, we invariably shoot ourselves in the foot/lose a game.

Alas, it's symptomatic of Sinnott's reign and remains a deeply frustrating pattern.

Consequently, the support is divided into three schools of thought in relation to our current manager.

There are true believers, like yourself, who have already been converted to the cause.

Then there are those supporters who deem that we have the players to gain promotion but who have yet to be convinced as regards whether Sinnott is the man to lead us to The Promised Land (and I suspect that this section will include the majority of the Alty faithful. It's certainly the category in which I reside).

Finally, there are those who have already lost faith in Sinnott's methods.

Who knows who's actually right....?!








  
 


Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: chesteralty on January 08, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
I'm in the middle camp, but I believe the team we had at the start of the season would have won that game. I don't see too much forward progress.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: cheshire cat on January 08, 2014, 02:00:30 PM
The team on the pitch at the start of the season were criticised for how poorly they were playing despite getting the results.

Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: chesteralty on January 08, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
The team on the pitch now are being criticised for playing poorly as well as not getting the results
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Nom de plume on January 08, 2014, 02:27:07 PM


On any given match day (when we win) LS is almost a demi god in the eyes of some.

I'm not so sure I've seen a single post praising Lee Sinnott to such dizzy heights. Yours are usually the closest to defending the indefensible.
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: JTH on January 08, 2014, 03:05:29 PM


On any given match day (when we win) LS is almost a demi god in the eyes of some.

I'm not so sure I've seen a single post praising Lee Sinnott to such dizzy heights. Yours are usually the closest to defending the indefensible.

Got to agree, on here at least, LS has very few committed fans given some of the excellent stuff we've played over the last couple of seasons. I reckon he's a good manager and wants to play good football, I just think there's a feeling he's not a 'winner'. Go on LS prove me wrong, please!
Title: Re: TONIGHT
Post by: Bob on January 08, 2014, 05:54:41 PM


On any given match day (when we win) LS is almost a demi god in the eyes of some.

I'm not so sure I've seen a single post praising Lee Sinnott to such dizzy heights. Yours are usually the closest to defending the indefensible.

Got to agree, on here at least, LS has very few committed fans given some of the excellent stuff we've played over the last couple of seasons. I reckon he's a good manager and wants to play good football, I just think there's a feeling he's not a 'winner'. Go on LS prove me wrong, please!

I would say Sinnott's own background and personality probably has something to do with this. He isn't a jovial sort of character who you can have a pint in the bar with (like Bernard Taylor) and he isn't an ex playing hero who will inspire sentimental feeling (like King or Heathcote) so when the chips are down he doesn't have as much of a committed vocal following.

I back him. I can see the frustrations and everyone will have different opinions. The pros still outweigh the cons for now.