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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Altyarethekings on March 31, 2007, 10:40:05 AM
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Altrincham always have been fighting for survival but the big question is will Alty ever move on from the conference,with a couple of big signings i think that we could get up that table next year!
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big signings need money. where we gunna get that from???
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I know this stating the obvious but:-
(i) We are in 'a bigger league' - 3 years ago we were mid table Unibond don't forget.
(ii) In our 'glory days' (78-87) we were considered as being in the top 2 or 3 semi pro clubs in the country. It is to the enduring credit of all at the club that we have regained that status.
(iii) The pursuit of League football for its own sake should not be on our agenda. If we can consolidate our position in the Conference (starting today) whilst running our affairs as we have done in the recent past it will be as great an achievement as any in the clubs history.
(iv) Lets stick with the current plan and see where we end up eh?
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always a possibility but lets concentrate on satying in this league first.
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i reckon a strong end to our season could give the lads a boost into next season. That could give us a top half spot and may even inspire us in 2 years to start pushing for a promotion spot through the playoffs.
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If we can get Justin Bowler firing on all cylinders next season and appoint Dave Pace as Director of Football, then Alty's march to the Champions League will be simply unstoppable.
In the meantime, I'll settle for reaching 53 points in the Conference ASAP...
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i know we've gon over this but do yu still think 53 is safety?
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Definitely.
Other teams below us will take points off eachother.
53% might only see us 5th bottom though - but at this point in time, I'd settle for that! ;)
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i think and hope (only because its one less relegation place to worry about) that southport are out of it, and face (almost) certain relegation. i think i misphrased my question. i meant do you not think 50 could be safety? i think 53 definately is but what do yu think the least is?
hope that makes sense. :)
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easy - go pro.
i know when u look at fgr this season being pro and all it doesn't look in terms of league position that it has helped but it has. jim harvey has during the season since he took over built a squad that will definetly possibily be up with the lower play off positions next season. we wouldn't be able to sign big names such as danny carey-bertram, simon clist, paul wanless before. the problem is you need a bit of money and big sponsorship and backers and i don't know whether you have it at altrincham.
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easy - go pro. i know when u look at fgr this season being pro and all it doesn't look in terms of league position that it has helped but it has. jim harvey has during the season since he took over built a squad that will definetly possibily be up with the lower play off positions next season. we wouldn't be able to sign big names such as danny carey-bertram, simon clist, paul wanless before. the problem is you need a bit of money and big sponsorship and backers and i don't know whether you have it at altrincham.
I think where you've got it over us is that you're a lot of cheating, whinging f**kers who keep getting away with it.
We run the club on a shoe string on larger gates than you yet you seem to find the money for full time from "somewhere" ???
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easy - go pro.
i know when u look at fgr this season being pro and all it doesn't look in terms of league position that it has helped but it has. jim harvey has during the season since he took over built a squad that will definetly possibily be up with the lower play off positions next season. we wouldn't be able to sign big names such as danny carey-bertram, simon clist, paul wanless before. the problem is you need a bit of money and big sponsorship and backers and i don't know whether you have it at altrincham.
we don't want that!
'Big' backers pull out when thigs aren't going the right way and money is not being made, do you seriously think DCB is affordable on your crowd figures do you seriously think you have the money? what were your end of year books like? if they are anything like the rest of the pro clubs with crowds of 1200 thee red vrey vrey red. i'd rather wait till the rest of the clubs realise full time in this league is a joke and join us part timmers again and go up then, do it the old way where part of the brilliance of being promoted for the players was spending a year (or more)as a full time footballer signing that contract and turning up @ work on a monday morning only to realise you are going to play football for a living, as it is now dropping out of the football league for many players is not a worry they will still get paid play full time and its the club who will suffer when books don't balance like they used to.
all in all as has been said time and time before part-time is the way forward not full-time oh and on another noteto be 'proffesional' means the job gets done well and its done within the correct financial constraints, ask lancaster fans if it worked for tham, or horchurch, or canvey, or weymouth, or (add as appropriate, i cant be arsed)
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I too think 53 points will be needed. Thats 1 point per match! Gettable
As far as a big signing or 2; we would need somone to put in some money or sponsorship for an expensive signing (i.e. Get a commercial concern to pay his wages). However, if we have 1 or 2 on more money than the rest, might 1 or 2 of the rest become resentful?
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we achieve bigger crowds than you and were just a village. we have backers that are fully commited to the club - trevor horsley has taken this club from being the awful decision of turning us in to stroud fc to the conference and where we are now. we have a devoted board and a devoted manager. why would huge only in it for the money backers want to get in to fgr? are you allowed in the football league if ur not professional?
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BY THE WAY WE GET THE MONEY FOR THE PLAYERS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEVOTED GROUP OF FANS THAT HAVE SET UP THE "GRASS" FUND. we raised £8000 in the january transfer window and were able to get Danny Carey Bertram. So it was the supporters that raised the money in a fantastic effort which we all gave some money to and full marks to the supporters at FGR for doing so
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we have also signed john hardiker, ryan robinson and adriano rigoglioso from morecambe using the grass fund. it has really helped and look at how good (despite now being injured) rigoglisio has been. robinson has been outstanding and john hardiker scored two goals for us on tuesday night to beat exeter and he'a right back!!!
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Dea FGR fan,
I know you're being a wind-up merchant but I couldn't resist responding (i.e. "biting") last time - more fool me. ::)
Anyway I'm off to ML now to watch a great, honest team of professional part-time players who play for a club which is bigger and better than FGR will ever be ... and has a damn sight more integrity.
Shouldn't you be popping round to your 3 sided heap to watch your shower get leathered by the Dustbins? or will you be spending the afternoon on the net (again)?
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you mean full time my boy, not proffesional, your backers are committed i'm sure, martin harrison was the coldseal fellas were, your manager is committed as long as his wages are being payed and he has job security.
you may be a village but within 30 miles of us we have 4 of the biggest clubs in the world over 200 non league clubs from tier 1 through to 4 and countless lower league clubs you have well you have... hell i cant really think of many bristol near you? gloscester rugby not much thats for sure. of and you currently have an average of 46 more fans than us £460 if you charge a tenner in thats not enough to pay DCB to turn up for half the training sessions you have
hear hear saughall
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quick one "grass fund" is that for colin peake or something
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i thought you would mention colin peake when i said "grass fund".
u have to understand that when u r at the new lawn it may look like a sort of manufactured side but for its full time status the club is really working together and progressing further than it has before. it is really surreal - last season we were playing at our famous old lawn ground and now we play in a gr8 ground despite the huge levels of concrete.
i'm off to the new lawn now.
i won't be sitting in front of my compiter
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i'm off to the new lawn now.
What? to mow it?
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In the 70s we were THE TOP non league team
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Well said
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Altrincham always have been fighting for survival but the big question is will Alty ever move on from the conference,with a couple of big signings i think that we could get up that table next year!
Well, i firmly belived that this season we have a much better squad than last year. i think improvements within defence would set us up for another excellent season next year. However i would like to see Altrincham continue to be run by a dedicated, well-organised and succesful board. What i dont want to see is someone coming in and making an unsustainable wage budget (aka Berman era). We still need to look at where we can improve currently, namely increasing awareness of the club, and increasing attendance. Also off the pitch to improve facilities (corporate, etc). I believe only on an average attendance of 2000 would sustain league football, even then, we dont really have the financial depth to capture "big signings". its up to the manger to see what is available, also players may want a high increase in wages to sustain any attempt of full time football. Personally, i like the current set up, and it would be a shame if the time came where the interaction between player, board, supporter reflects many football league clubs.
The main problem is that many youngsters would prefer to play for man u, city, bolton, wigan etc in their youth set up instead of trying to make it through the leagues. The current emphasis is great, blending youth and experience together.
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BY THE WAY WE GET THE MONEY FOR THE PLAYERS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEVOTED GROUP OF FANS THAT HAVE SET UP THE "GRASS" FUND.
I love that.
Are you raising enough money to pay his wages each week too? Crowds of 900, and to a larger extent this season of 1100 do not fund full time football clubs, if you think there's enough gym memberships sold to cover it the rockwool is being pulled well and truly over your eyes.
As we said last year tho, investment of the magnitude that some people have put in would disappear for good in the confS so it's no wonder Colin Peake did what he had to do. The pressure on him must've been enormous. He should have just said so, or at least included us in the emails.
p.s. Has he got onto the FA about the Accrington case for the good of the game yet? If he does so and proves that was his main concern I will take back everything I ever said about the man. p.s. you only have 47 points, it might be worth your while.
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oh and by the way, Altrincham average attendance 1047, FGR 977
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forest green do not average 977 u idiot. we average 1,192. at least get your facts right.
do you have a scheme where you raise money to bring in players at altrincham after some excellent work by your fans?
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http://www.confguide.com/clubs.do?club=fore
i got my information from there.... please dont get your joke of a club to report me to Mr Moules....
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that website is totally wrong - it marks our highest attendance as 1,957 when our highest attendance this season was 3,020 at home to oxford united - use a proper website like www.footballwebpages.co.uk that website is obviously not reliable and is giving out the wrong information
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they were last years attendance figures, and i think come end of the season we will have a higher average crowd. yours is being pushed up by the fact oxford came to you when you were on a run, ours is the vics game with 2300 or so. if you were to take out the oxford and vics games we have a higher average! FACT oh and lewis chalmers, pat mcfadden earlier on ian craney, we produce a good pedigree of youth players and have done for many years so suck it fool (yes yes i know very immature but then i am drunk from breakfast)
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forest green do not average 977 u idiot. we average 1,192. at least get your facts right.
do you have a scheme where you raise money to bring in players at altrincham after some excellent work by your fans?
Look at it this way - Alty have an average of about 1,100 on a part time wage bill and will probably make a small operating profit of a few thousand pounds at best this season. FGR have an average that is only slightly higher yet have a full time wage bill. Even allowing for the grass fund, how is that economically sustainable in the long run, particularly in light of the small catchment area that you make great play of?
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The more you bite, the more he'll come on here to wind you up!
I know it's hard to resist because I had a go back yesterday but we're just feeding his obsession to talk to real people instead of the "extended family" with eleven fingers and twelve toes he's used to.
Ignore him and he'll go away ;)
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Forest Green - where they say "Gimme six!"
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The more you bite, the more he'll come on here to wind you up!
I know it's hard to resist because I had a go back yesterday but we're just feeding his obsession to talk to real people instead of the "extended family" with eleven fingers and twelve toes he's used to.
Ignore him and he'll go away ;)
Oh I'm not wound up by him at all. I find it all quite hilarious because what they are doing is totally unsustainable in the long run yet they are convinced they are going onwards and upwards. One day it'll end in tears and there will be I told you sos a plenty. Couldn't happen to a nicer club...
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I'd really like to think so Bob.
It seems a very long time ago that they were referred to as "The Friendly Club on the Hill" doesn't it? ::)
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i think i'm doing pretty well for a 14 year old. getting grown up people to argue with me like little children ;)
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i think i'm doing pretty well for a 14 year old. getting grown up people to argue with me like little children ;)
well bulied im 13 so shhhhh
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BY THE WAY WE GET THE MONEY FOR THE PLAYERS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEVOTED GROUP OF FANS THAT HAVE SET UP THE "GRASS" FUND. we raised £8000 in the january transfer window and were able to get Danny Carey Bertram. So it was the supporters that raised the money in a fantastic effort which we all gave some money to and full marks to the supporters at FGR for doing so
The grass fund.... Hmm the irony!!!
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we achieve bigger crowds than you and were just a village. we have backers that are fully commited to the club - trevor horsley has taken this club from being the awful decision of turning us in to stroud fc to the conference and where we are now. we have a devoted board and a devoted manager. why would huge only in it for the money backers want to get in to fgr? are you allowed in the football league if ur not professional?
I'd wager that you draw a significant amount of your support from outside Nailsworth itself, furthermore you don't have one of the biggest football clubs in the world five miles up the road instead you have those footballing giants Gloucester City.
Please don't try to compare our respective crowds as, with all respect, you know absolutely nothing about the various factors that influence the football supporting culture in our area.
BY THE WAY WE GET THE MONEY FOR THE PLAYERS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEVOTED GROUP OF FANS THAT HAVE SET UP THE "GRASS" FUND. we raised £8000 in the january transfer window and were able to get Danny Carey Bertram. So it was the supporters that raised the money in a fantastic effort which we all gave some money to and full marks to the supporters at FGR for doing so
You raised money for a couple of players, good for you. That does not mean, as you seem to be suggesting that contributions from fans sustain full-time football.
As you and I know it's Trevor Horsley's rather deep pockets that do that.
i think i'm doing pretty well for a 14 year old. getting grown up people to argue with me like little children ;)
Really?
A retarded amoeba could post a load of poorly argued nonsense and elicit responses telling them that they are posting poorly argued nonsense.
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i'm gonna leave now but just to answer the original question:
will alty ever move up into bigger leagues?
the answer is...... no
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I think we can safely say Alty have a significantly better chance than FGR
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I'm gonna bite.
We heard all this when Radcliffe Boro made the dizzy heights of being in the same league as the mighty Alty...we were told by Alfreton's sugar daddy Wayne Bradley we were Dinosaurs and we were on the way down and they were heading for the football league....Droylsden's money man Mr Pace is still trying to emulate Alty's success after telling us to get used to being below Droylsden in the league....yet the cream of Alty has always risen above while the sh*tty dregs float around below us and normally get flushed down the toilet at some stage.
For a fan of a club who gets the same crowds as us at the height of their achievement, who has a great manager of a full time squad of players who are struggling just as much as our part timers to tell us to go full time does not need a witty retort or facts thrown back to kill his argument....fgrfan needs no help from us to look stupid.
I'd enjoy the ride on your Massive gates fgrfan while it lasts...the "I cannot fund this club anymore" statement always comes sooner or later...'committed boards' have always, always done the dirty on their teams sooner or later...we should know, we've had at least 3 millionairres wander away from us when we least expected it.
FGR are the absolute Oxford dictionary defintion of a tin pot two bob village pub team living way way way beyond it's means and the really funny thing is.....they've never got above about 6th from bottom.....where's your history big boy?
Full time?...what a waste of money (especially including the fans appropriatly named 'Grass' fund)...why not just burn £20 notes or go and pay your favourite players mortgage?..coz that's what your fabulous scheme is doing.
Fans raising money for their club?...now why on earth didn't we think of that?