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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Jenga on December 13, 2012, 12:42:21 PM
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I stated in the previous thread that we do not know what goes on behind the scenes and there may be a perfect reason why Duncan didnt start against Gainsborough.
All I can say is I agree with Mr Sinnott and his reasons seem sound to me.
Again perhaps we should trust our management in these things rather than jump down his throat.
Now that LS has voiced his opinion and reasons I wonder what peoples opinions are now?
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I've not made a judgement on this up to now, though I love to see Duncan's skills on the pitch.
However, Lee is a man of years experience in football, will have worked with some decent managers and seen young talented players like Duncan before, so I find his judgement reasoned and sensible.
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His reasons for not starting Duncan sounded perfectly reasonable.
Surprise surprise, a football manager with years of experience in the game on the playing and coaching side isn't crazy after all. Who'd a thunk it?
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For me he's wrong and making excuses, if your good enough your old enough and if he wants to take him off after 60 minutes each game to keep him fit and protect him then fine,
There's 18 year old's playing 3 games a week at the top level regularly and we will be lucky to play 1 a week until February, I expect to see him start next game.
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For me he's wrong and making excuses, if your good enough your old enough and if he wants to take him off after 60 minutes each game to keep him fit and protect him then fine,
There's 18 year old's playing 3 games a week at the top level regularly and we will be lucky to play 1 a week until February, I expect to see him start next game.
So you think Sinnott doesn't rate Duncan Watmore and left him out against Gainsborough because he didn't think he was good enough to make an impact?
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For me he's wrong and making excuses, if your good enough your old enough and if he wants to take him off after 60 minutes each game to keep him fit and protect him then fine,
There's 18 year old's playing 3 games a week at the top level regularly and we will be lucky to play 1 a week until February, I expect to see him start next game.
So you think Sinnott doesn't rate Duncan Watmore and left him out against Gainsborough because he didn't think he was good enough to make an impact?
I dont think that no, but i think he made a mistake in not starting him when he could quite easily start him then take him off later, seems right to me.
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also if duncan was at a pro club (which i can imagine him being at very soon) if the situation was what lee is suggesting then they would loan him out to gain experience and play more regularly at this level anyway!!
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Has anyone considered Duncan's own view on this subject ?
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Has anyone considered Duncan's own view on this subject ?
and that is?
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My opinion is that he should still play if fit! Never harmed other young players! Sinnott is the same age; 18, so he will have to be looked after too! Its an excuse to me! More chance of getting injured having 15-20 mins chasing a result as he won't be fully warmed up expecting to make an instant impact in a high temp game!
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last season it was all about why start twiss? this season it is why not watmore, only at alty ::)
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My opinion is that he should still play if fit! Never harmed other young players! Sinnott is the same age; 18, so he will have to be looked after too! Its an excuse to me! More chance of getting injured having 15-20 mins chasing a result as he won't be fully warmed up expecting to make an instant impact in a high temp game!
That's quite simply false.
And it really depends on the individual, doesn't it? Someone like Wayne Rooney was basically a fully-grown man by the time he was 16. Whereas Duncan is obviously still growing taller and filling out, which has implications for his fitness.
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If your good enough your old enough! Lets not forget Lee Sinnott was only 18 when he played for Watford in the 1984 FA Cup final. I wonder how Lee would have felt if Graham Taylor had decided to rest him in that game for fear of ruining his development.
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I stated in the previous thread that we do not know what goes on behind the scenes and there may be a perfect reason why Duncan didnt start against Gainsborough.
All I can say is I agree with Mr Sinnott and his reasons seem sound to me.
Again perhaps we should trust our management in these things rather than jump down his throat.
Now that LS has voiced his opinion and reasons I wonder what peoples opinions are now?
It's the same old bollocks Sinnott excuses
Stop this farce now
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His reasons for not starting Duncan sounded perfectly reasonable.
Surprise surprise, a football manager with years of experience in the game on the playing and coaching side isn't crazy after all. Who'd a thunk it?
out of touch Banbury
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What a number of you are conveniently overlooking is that Lee at Watford, Jordan at Huddersfield and any number of other 18 year olds you could mention were/are at full time clubs and consequently are able to benefit from all that entails
How many times have we gone on about playing full time Clubs who not only train every day but have state of the art monitoring, full time medical staff etc?
Maybe if Duncan was at a full time Club then he would be able to play every game but he isn't and given the points made by the Manager in his interview I suspect that he'd be rested even at a full time club.
Duncan trains once or maybe twice a week and probably has access to our medical staff no more often than that.
He is also in full time education which takes up a significant amount of time and energy.
Sorry but again it seems to me that some of you are just looking for any convenient stick to beat the Manager with and will not be satisfied until he has gone.
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What a number of you are conveniently overlooking is that Lee at Watford, Jordan at Huddersfield and any number of other 18 year olds you could mention were/are at full time clubs and consequently are able to benefit from all that entails
How many times have we gone on about playing full time Clubs who not only train every day but have state of the art monitoring, full time medical staff etc?
Maybe if Duncan was at a full time Club then he would be able to play every game but he isn't and given the points made by the Manager in his interview I suspect that he'd be rested even at a full time club.
Duncan trains once or maybe twice a week and probably has access to our medical staff no more often than that.
He is also in full time education which takes up a significant amount of time and energy.
Sorry but again it seems to me that some of you are just looking for any convenient stick to beat the Manager with and will not be satisfied until he has gone.
so why do so many pro clubs send there youth prospects on loan to non league then?
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[/quote]so why do so many pro clubs send there youth prospects on loan to non league then?
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They still have access to the original club for training and medicals etc. and only train part time with the nonleague club.
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so why do so many pro clubs send there youth prospects on loan to non league then?
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They still have access to the original club for training and medicals etc. and only train part time with the nonleague club.
[/quote]im aware of this but also that it doesnt make sense to say we cant start watmore becuase we dont have the right medical set up?
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I found the Watmore thing in that article to be okay, what annoyed me was that ridiculous statement about the substitutes. What Sinnott is basically saying there is that some of the players we have are not even capable of being on the bench instead of air. Nevermind if they're youth players or whatever, that is just bad man management. Must make Offori and Riley feel like sh*t.
he didnt mind playing twiss 36 times last season and he's full of air ;D
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so why do so many pro clubs send there youth prospects on loan to non league then?
They still have access to the original club for training and medicals etc. and only train part time with the nonleague club.
[/quote]im aware of this but also that it doesnt make sense to say we cant start watmore becuase we dont have the right medical set up?
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Agreed...if he can play the last 30mins, why not the first
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so why do so many pro clubs send there youth prospects on loan to non league then?
They still have access to the original club for training and medicals etc. and only train part time with the nonleague club.
im aware of this but also that it doesnt make sense to say we cant start watmore becuase we dont have the right medical set up?
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Agreed...if he can play the last 30mins, why not the first
[/quote]exactly, it just feels like we are holding back a really quick horse but not sure what for
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Yet more attempts to twist what someone posts in pursuit of slagging off the Manager.
Duncan has had a growing spurt - he is now taller than he was and has filled out some. he is also apparently having to do some extra stuff to avoid injury as a consequence of this
At Huddersfield, if an 18 year old had such a spurt he would be monitored very closely on a daily basis by the Medical Team there and would be given specific training and exercise regimes based on that.
We cannot monitor him on a daily basis as we only train at most twice a week (often once with a midweek game) and then only for a couple of hours.
We cannot suggest that Duncan rest for a few hours every day if necessary, as would happen at a full time Club
Nobody is suggesting that we have the 'wrong' medical set up but we have what we have as a part time club and that must be necessity have some impact.
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Yet more attempts to twist what someone posts in pursuit of slagging off the Manager.
Duncan has had a growing spurt - he is now taller than he was and has filled out some. he is also apparently having to do some extra stuff to avoid injury as a consequence of this
At Huddersfield, if an 18 year old had such a spurt he would be monitored very closely on a daily basis by the Medical Team there and would be given specific training and exercise regimes based on that.
We cannot monitor him on a daily basis as we only train at most twice a week (often once with a midweek game) and then only for a couple of hours.
We cannot suggest that Duncan rest for a few hours every day if necessary, as would happen at a full time Club
Nobody is suggesting that we have the 'wrong' medical set up but we have what we have as a part time club and that must be necessity have some impact.
phil, just to make it clear this is not about calling for the managers head, this is about hundreds of people failing to understand why duncan can come on as sub but not start.
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Yet more attempts to twist what someone posts in pursuit of slagging off the Manager.
Duncan has had a growing spurt - he is now taller than he was and has filled out some. he is also apparently having to do some extra stuff to avoid injury as a consequence of this
At Huddersfield, if an 18 year old had such a spurt he would be monitored very closely on a daily basis by the Medical Team there and would be given specific training and exercise regimes based on that.
We cannot monitor him on a daily basis as we only train at most twice a week (often once with a midweek game) and then only for a couple of hours.
We cannot suggest that Duncan rest for a few hours every day if necessary, as would happen at a full time Club
Nobody is suggesting that we have the 'wrong' medical set up but we have what we have as a part time club and that must be necessity have some impact.
All this talk about monitoring his growth is garbage, I mean how much can you grow in a week?
I've never seen Huddersfield's training complex, but the way you are talking about monitoring players make it sound like something from Rocky IV. OK our medical facilities won't be anywhere near as good a theirs, but I can't imagine them being much worse than most full time clubs in league two or the conference.
I'd also argue that our medical and training facilities are much better than the ones used by Manchester United's title winning sides of the mid-50's which regularly featured 5 or 6 teenagers in their starting line ups.
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Has anyone considered Duncan's own view on this subject ?
and that is?
I haven't a clue. And neither has anybody else. Which is entirely the point !
Obviously we should farm him out to a bigger club who can monitor his development for us and send him back later.....oh, just a minute......
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Has anyone considered Duncan's own view on this subject ?
and that is?
I haven't a clue. And neither has anybody else. Which is entirely the point !
Obviously we should farm him out to a bigger club who can monitor his development for us and send him back later.....oh, just a minute......
as far as i know duncan gets paid to play for us, he has a contract to play and when fit should, if he is injured or suspended then he doesnt, simple
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I really cannot believe how short sighted people are.
I agree with ATS he has basicaly expanded on my own thoughts and saved me alot of typing.
You dont play a player for 30 mins against fresh opposition and use one of you subs inside the first half. Your play him in the last 30 mins when the that opposition is weaker and tired. Any idiot can deduce that i am sure.
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Protection no protection lets just say because of the games Sinnott had rested/not selected to start Duncan the odds are we won't make playoffs if the manager continues to do this we certainly won't
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i would agree that without duncan playing 90 minutes each week our chances are severly reduced of reaching the playoffs.
After Brackley this week our league position will possibly be and look aweful.
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I really cannot believe how short sighted people are.
I agree with ATS he has basicaly expanded on my own thoughts and saved me alot of typing.
You dont play a player for 30 mins against fresh opposition and use one of you subs inside the first half. Your play him in the last 30 mins when the that opposition is weaker and tired. Any idiot can deduce that i am sure.
so on saturday if duncan is fit do you think he should start?
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Would Ryan Giggs have had a long career at Man Utd if he was playing every game when he was 17?
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I really cannot believe how short sighted people are.
I agree with ATS he has basicaly expanded on my own thoughts and saved me alot of typing.
You dont play a player for 30 mins against fresh opposition and use one of you subs inside the first half. Your play him in the last 30 mins when the that opposition is weaker and tired. Any idiot can deduce that i am sure.
so on saturday if duncan is fit do you think he should start?
Yes of course he should play and start if fully fit.
Question is will he fit and will his growing spurt be over, and the answer to that is probably not.
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Would Ryan Giggs have had a long career at Man Utd if he was playing every game when he was 17?
duncans 18, and giggs made 51 appearances for united in the season he turned 18. Was probebly hitting his peak as a winger.
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On the plus side the fans are objecting and asking for an explanation and as a result the manager comes out and explains his thinking- whether we agree with that thinking or not it has to be a good thing that he is listening and responding.
Compare with Arsenal "Why didn't you buy anyone decent?" has been asked for years and I don't think Mr Wenger has said much on the topic and many other clubs too.
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Whether people agree with it or not, it seems that LS has no intentions of playing Duncan Watmore every week, certainly not from the start of games anyway. If LS does not see Duncan as one of his "main men" in midfield yet, does he therefore intend to bring someone in who will do a job and play week in/week out? Or will we just keep having this same situation occurring whereby we have only our best starting XI on the pitch every other week or so?
Looking at it in the fairest way I can, our fans obviously want to see us get out of this league as soon as possible as they have a real passion to see us have another crack at the BSP. I think there is a perception among some of these individuals that LS does not share this burning desire to get promoted this season, which in turn is causing frustration and disillusionment. It's not just the fact that Watmore isn't playing every minute of every game, but the perceived apathy of LS (not the case in my opinion) towards our promotion challenge this season. Again, I'm not having a pop at LS but I'm quite curious as to his intentions in the immediate future. I think a lot of our fans would be reassured by a couple of good signings, as this would at least be some sort of statement of intent that we're leaving no stone unturned in our quest for promotion.
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I'm sick and tired of ignorant people on here thinking they know better than football professionals. The manager has made a statement about Duncan which as far as I am concerned makes total sense and is probably what most ordinary thinking people were following anyway .Do those of you who have older teenage boys think they are as strong and durable and can play 90 mins against grown men? Besides the lad is working towards a degree and needs time for that too which is of more importance, there is no guarantee of a football career.
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You dont play a player for 30 mins against fresh opposition and use one of you subs inside the first half. Your play him in the last 30 mins when the that opposition is weaker and tired. Any idiot can deduce that i am sure.
Maybe not for thirty minutes, but he could play the first half or maybe the first hour. Depends which way you look at it, I'd rather see us go out firing in the first half, put teams to bed early, have the match comfortably won by the hour mark and then rest our best players as an where necessary.
If you look a games this season, we tend to do better when Duncan starts than when he comes off the bench (see below). Whilst it is true the opposition will be tired in the last 30 minutes, so will the other Alty players. As a rule of thumb, games start of quite tight as everyone is fresh and working hard, by having more position in the first half the opposition will tire quicker as they spend most of the time chasing the ball.
Bringing on Duncan when we are losing may sound like a good idea as he certainly had the ability to create a goalscoring opportunity, but seeing as his team mates are fatigued, he has to work harder to cover for them - this also leaves us vulnerable to counter attacks and conceding late goals.
I seem to remember United doing something similar and resting all their best players, then bringing them with half an hour to go when they were a goal down. They spent most of the time chasing the ball rather than effectively using it, something that would have been possible if they started.
anyway: stats with and without Duncan in our starting lineup this season:
When Duncan starts:
15 points from 9 games. (1.67 ppg)
When Duncan comes off the bench:
4 points from 5 games. (0.80 ppg)
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I'm sick and tired of ignorant people on here thinking they know better than football professionals. The manager has made a statement about Duncan which as far as I am concerned makes total sense and is probably what most ordinary thinking people were following anyway .Do those of you who have older teenage boys think they are as strong and durable and can play 90 mins against grown men? Besides the lad is working towards a degree and needs time for that too which is of more importance, there is no guarantee of a football career.
As fans of alty we want our team to get promotion this won't happen if Duncan isn't playing I can't be arsed being technical
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OK, so we're a one man team. If he starts at Brackley and gets a bad injury in the first ten minutes our season is over before Xmas. There's more absolute bollocks on this thread than I got from my Bluenose colleagues on Monday morning. And that is a Hell of a lot of bollocks.
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OK, so we're a one man team. If he starts at Brackley and gets a bad injury in the first ten minutes our season is over before Xmas. There's more absolute bollocks on this thread than I got from my Bluenose colleagues on Monday morning. And that is a Hell of a lot of bollocks.
Correct. But to be fair, most of it is coming from 2 or 3 trolls.
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OK, so we're a one man team. If he starts at Brackley and gets a bad injury in the first ten minutes our season is over before Xmas. There's more absolute bollocks on this thread than I got from my Bluenose colleagues on Monday morning. And that is a Hell of a lot of bollocks.
Come on phil I'm not saying we're a one man team we have a decent team do Barcelona leave out messi because they have other decent players
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OK, so we're a one man team. If he starts at Brackley and gets a bad injury in the first ten minutes our season is over before Xmas. There's more absolute bollocks on this thread than I got from my Bluenose colleagues on Monday morning. And that is a Hell of a lot of bollocks.
Correct. But to be fair, most of it is coming from 2 or 3 trolls.
Not a troll mate just pissed of that the team I support is underachieving
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So should we start watmore on saturday then... :D
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I'm sick and tired of ignorant people on here thinking they know better than football professionals. The manager has made a statement about Duncan which as far as I am concerned makes total sense and is probably what most ordinary thinking people were following anyway .Do those of you who have older teenage boys think they are as strong and durable and can play 90 mins against grown men? Besides the lad is working towards a degree and needs time for that too which is of more importance, there is no guarantee of a football career.
so whats the forum here for then? Who said anything about duncan playing 90 mins every week?
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am i missing something here . he is 18 and totally capable of running around all day for fecks sake. there is a load of total tripe being talked here . hes the best player we have had for years. football is not a kicking game like it used to be . Stop arsing about get him on the pitch playing.its not like your sending him into war or down a pit for fecks sake.
get real and stop mollycuddling
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Great post
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During the age Duncan is, he is bound to experience growth spurts, in his bones and muscular developement. When Alex was 17, he had the same problem and went to see Sean Riley, who was then our club Physio. Alex was having a knee problem, which was diagnosed as his bones developing and his muscles also trying to keep up, often as Sean pointed out at not quite the same pace. He had to miss a couple of games and do knee exercises. Sean said to have not done so would have caused him injuery which could then turn into months rather than days/weeks. He had to also do knee exercises to encourage his muscular development, as Lee is getting him to do. Bones and muscles do not always develop at the same rate. Alex has also grown from 5' 10" to 6' 5" in the last 2 years.
So all you who are slagging off Lee, should let us trust him. After all, if Duncan was out for a couple of months, you would all be the first to moan. I cant believe some of you are still dissing Lee Sinnott after what he has told you, because he is dead right!! There again he can do nothing right with some of you!
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With respect that is fairly unusual
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With respect that is fairly unusual
if duncan had that condition it would be classed as an injury and would'nt be played at all surely?
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Unusual or not LS has made the statement.
IF it was an incorrect statement I am sure Mr D Watmore would be the first to up roots and leave the club with the support of his dad.
Some people are so against LS it is untrue, and quite frankly the statements I see from some people about the situation are plain ignorant.
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Teaser people are against him because he is failing you make it sound like its personal
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Teaser people are against him because he is failing
So why are people against him?
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I look forward to Mister Sinnott engineering "a growing spurt" into a play-off position....with or without Duncan Watmore.
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How do you think he is doing mate
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OK, so we're a one man team. If he starts at Brackley and gets a bad injury in the first ten minutes our season is over before Xmas. There's more absolute bollocks on this thread than I got from my Bluenose colleagues on Monday morning. And that is a Hell of a lot of bollocks.
Correct. But to be fair, most of it is coming from 2 or 3 trolls.
Not trolling.
Never said we are a one man team. Just saying it how i see it - We have a wafer thin squad and need our best players playing every game.
Maybe in four years when we are still midtable in this league and Duncan is playing in the football league you will see it.
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Its not that unusual - my son experienced a growth spurt in exactly the same way as Steve outlines. He carried on competing (athletics, not football) and ended up missing a whole season. A training partner of his didn't quite have it so extreme but lost all his co-ordination and looked a shadow at 18 of him at his peak at 17.
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OK, so we're a one man team. If he starts at Brackley and gets a bad injury in the first ten minutes our season is over before Xmas. There's more absolute bollocks on this thread than I got from my Bluenose colleagues on Monday morning. And that is a Hell of a lot of bollocks.
Correct. But to be fair, most of it is coming from 2 or 3 trolls.
Not trolling.
Never said we are a one man team. Just saying it how i see it - We have a wafer thin squad and need our best players playing every game.
Maybe in four years when we are still midtable in this league and Duncan is playing in the football league you will see it.
Banbury will never see it because he dosent see many games
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OK, so we're a one man team. If he starts at Brackley and gets a bad injury in the first ten minutes our season is over before Xmas. There's more absolute bollocks on this thread than I got from my Bluenose colleagues on Monday morning. And that is a Hell of a lot of bollocks.
Correct. But to be fair, most of it is coming from 2 or 3 trolls.
try going to games before calling people trolls you dickhead
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Its not that unusual - my son experienced a growth spurt in exactly the same way as Steve outlines. He carried on competing (athletics, not football) and ended up missing a whole season. A training partner of his didn't quite have it so extreme but lost all his co-ordination and looked a shadow at 18 of him at his peak at 17.
if this is the case for Duncan he should be classified as injured and not play at all
What the f**k is LS doing playing injured players then? Is he trying to ruin Duncans career?
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How do you think he is doing mate
look at the league table Jimmy
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try going to games before calling people trolls you dickhead
Bless. You're very agitated, aren't you? :D
Thanks for the personal abuse, though. And I'll be at the game tomorrow, FYI.
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It's not inconsistent to think that Duncan does need to be rested occasionally but that it was wrong to not start him against Gainsborough.
Sinnott isn't infallible.
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just has a conversation with a port vale fan in my office and he asked why we were midtable?
he then said these words "please tell me sinnot didn't last more than a season with you!" :-\
"he was the worst manager vale ever had the fans hated him" :-\
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I read Sinnott's explanation in the paper and can't make my mind up either way. Excuse? Maybe...
I still bet Duncan is already lined up to go to a League club (Hull City is my suspect) quite soon and they don't want him injured or warn out. We will be lucky to keep him past the end of this season, what ever happens. If Jordan Sinnott is a Championship standard prospect, and Huddersfield must think so, then Duncan will play in the Prem, no worries... Whether any of these things proves to be true, time will tell.
One thing is fact, Duncan is being protected, we have Lee's explanation as to why, I have my doubts, and one more reason why we won't see the Conference next season.
Shame, he is worth the entry fee alone.
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Seeing as he's in the first year of a degree course there's not much chance of him going full time anywhere for another two years at least. He would be very poorly advised if he gave up on his studies.
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Seeing as he's in the first year of a degree course there's not much chance of him going full time anywhere for another two years at least. He would be very poorly advised if he gave up on his studies.
it could work either way, unless you have a crystal ball u dont know, if he gets offered a good deal he might have to work for a long time in a company to get anywhere near what pro footballers are on.
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Seeing as he's in the first year of a degree course there's not much chance of him going full time anywhere for another two years at least. He would be very poorly advised if he gave up on his studies.
Absolutely correct - and I have a feeling the advice he will have received from his father among others will be along these lines. He has to have insurance against injury, not making the grade etc. in the form of the best possible level of academic qualifications.
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Seeing as he's in the first year of a degree course there's not much chance of him going full time anywhere for another two years at least. He would be very poorly advised if he gave up on his studies.
Absolutely correct - and I have a feeling the advice he will have received from his father among others will be along these lines. He has to have insurance against injury, not making the grade etc. in the form of the best possible level of academic qualifications.
all nice words and that but..... as soon as a club offers you 1k+ a week to play football it doesn't matter what you know you are taking it.
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So £50,000 a year in a job that at best runs till you are late 30's is going to guarantee you to be set up for life is it?
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So £50,000 a year in a job that at best runs till you are late 30's is going to guarantee you to be set up for life is it?
are you seriously suggesting that he wouldn't take it? the bonuses plus wage increases year on year are more than most companies can dream of giving out. at 18 he would be off to a flyer.
and it doesn't end there the contacts you gain bring coaching opportunities and other careers outside football.
you also have to remember there are downsides to university's and getting good employment after year on year of study.
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So £50,000 a year in a job that at best runs till you are late 30's is going to guarantee you to be set up for life is it?
He might also just like the idea of being a professional footballer.
It's pretty much the dream job for loads of young lads.
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If Duncan is as bright as his previous academic history is suggesting and if he does well with the degree I believe he may well be taking he could at least double the £50K per year by not being a Professional Footballer
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Im sure he could get a degre whlst being a pro footballer
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If Duncan is as bright as his previous academic history is suggesting and if he does well with the degree I believe he may well be taking he could at least double the £50K per year by not being a Professional Footballer
lovely word "if" isnt it phil, :D
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If Duncan is as bright as his previous academic history is suggesting and if he does well with the degree I believe he may well be taking he could at least double the £50K per year by not being a Professional Footballer
sorry Phil, you're just wrong. I don't know recent graduates (and i know a lot of them) that earn £35k a year or above within the first 3 years of graduation.
I'd imagine Duncan could easily earn £1mil through football before he starts seeing a £100k a year sallary which he probably wouldn't see until his late 20's (at the earliest).
Besides, who want to be an accountant anyway? If I was 18 and had the choice between being a footballer or a normal well paid job, it would be a no brainer.
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try going to games before calling people trolls you dickhead
Bless. You're very agitated, aren't you? :D
Thanks for the personal abuse, though. And I'll be at the game tomorrow, FYI.
Banbury sorry for calling you a dickhead
I may not always agree with you, but no need
Football a passion game, but we all Alty
Enjoy the game tomorrow, I can't make it otherwise I would have bought you a pint
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If Duncan is as bright as his previous academic history is suggesting and if he does well with the degree I believe he may well be taking he could at least double the £50K per year by not being a Professional Footballer
sorry Phil, you're just wrong. I don't know recent graduates (and i know a lot of them) that earn £35k a year or above within the first 3 years of graduation.
I'd imagine Duncan could easily earn £1mil through football before he starts seeing a £100k a year sallary which he probably wouldn't see until his late 20's (at the earliest).
Besides, who want to be an accountant anyway? If I was 18 and had the choice between being a footballer or a normal well paid job, it would be a no brainer.
Perhaps you are right in that it may well be an individuals late twenties before they hit £100K PA. However the career which earns them this will not end by the time they're in their mid to late forties.
There are a significant number of extremely lucrative careers knocking about though. Having worked in HE up to recently and still having connections I can tell you that 400+ graduates who take just one specific course are on £50K pa within 15 months of graduation (and that doesn't include the Dentistry Grads)
Can I ask you please. How many of the youngsters who have ambitions to be a professional player actually make it? And of those, how many will earn £1M at all never mind before they are thirty? I think the stats would surprise you
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If Duncan is as bright as his previous academic history is suggesting and if he does well with the degree I believe he may well be taking he could at least double the £50K per year by not being a Professional Footballer
sorry Phil, you're just wrong. I don't know recent graduates (and i know a lot of them) that earn £35k a year or above within the first 3 years of graduation.
I'd imagine Duncan could easily earn £1mil through football before he starts seeing a £100k a year sallary which he probably wouldn't see until his late 20's (at the earliest).
Besides, who want to be an accountant anyway? If I was 18 and had the choice between being a footballer or a normal well paid job, it would be a no brainer.
Perhaps you are right in that it may well be an individuals late twenties before they hit £100K PA. However the career which earns them this will not end by the time they're in their mid to late forties.
Are you just making this up as you go along?
I know people who are in their late twenties, who work in London, who went to the best universities in the country and are working in the most lucrative type of jobs and they earn nowhere near £100K a year.
Duncan has a much better chance of becoming a professional footballer than earning £100K PA by his late twenties.
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Before this went off topic my point was that whatever the kid's potential, he should not lose his back up plan. Many if not most professional lower league players earn reasonable but not life changing money. there is no guarantee of success in football and no route through to post football life for most. The kid needs and surely will be advised to complete his studies, no one is saying his studies will earn him 100k, but they will give the lad a choice and a back up should he not become the next Wayne Rooney as some on here think.
Besides his own interests, isn't that what we all want?
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SW is right, one bad tackle could end his footballing career.
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Correct Hamilton. We've been strangely quiet on this forum about the tragic end of Ben Deegan's football career, and he's barely older than Duncan.
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My opinion is that he has his head screwed on will get his degree and he has so much talent he will then become a profession footballer at say 21 22 then he has a career when he is done
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just has a conversation with a port vale fan in my office and he asked why we were midtable?
he then said these words "please tell me sinnot didn't last more than a season with you!" :-\
"he was the worst manager vale ever had the fans hated him" :-\
Speak to a Liverpool fan about Roy Hodgson and I promise you that his view will differ from that of a Fulham fan on the same manager. Different Strokes for different folks.
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SW is right, one bad tackle could end his footballing career.
lets never play him incase he gets injured then?
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SW is right, one bad tackle could end his footballing career.
lets never play him incase he gets injured then?
is he starting today?
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SW is right, one bad tackle could end his footballing career.
lets never play him incase he gets injured then?
Keep up! We had got on to Duncan keeping up his education as a back up to a football career!
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SW is right, one bad tackle could end his footballing career.
lets never play him incase he gets injured then?
Keep up! We had got on to Duncan keeping up his education as a back up to a football career!
hmmmm
my reply was to your LAST post
And only ONE post since has been about education
think you should keep up bell
Oh dear!
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Today's team indicates that we are protecting Ryan Brooke ;)
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Just to check we signed duncan to play football not to study ???
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just has a conversation with a port vale fan in my office and he asked why we were midtable?
he then said these words "please tell me sinnot didn't last more than a season with you!" :-\
"he was the worst manager vale ever had the fans hated him" :-\
In fairness to Sinnott, he took Port Vale over in League 1 after getting Farsley promoted. It's hardly surprising he was out of his depth imo so I wouldn't use that of a barometer of his time here. Do you know any Bradford Park Avenue fans?
Also with regards to other points on here, as a student Duncan will have ample time to rest...I think playing against Gainsborough won't affect his studies. In fact, from past experience let me tell you it's easier playing and training for semi pro football while you're a student rather than when you start working.
And as far as jumping at 1k a week, most 18 yr olds would jump at it obviously but I think (and this isn't the place to discuss probably) that the Watmore family are somewhat wealthier than one from the Brow or something. Not lavishly rich I'd guess but enough that Duncan wouldn't have his head turned by an offer. Maybe £1k yes but I don't think we'll see him doing a Dale and buggering off to Droylsden for an extra £50 anyway.
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There is a wide range of opinions on this topic. Some which unfortunately have got a little heated.
I would be interested in looking at who tends to back Sinnott on this topic and who doesnt and then look at the ages of those posters.
I am not saying anything concrete as I dont know who people are that are posting, but i wouldnt be surprised to see the older people supporting Sinnott and the younger ones disagreeing.
For the record i class myself as an older person at 42. Actually 43 on Tuesday. You can all buy me a beer for my Birthday on Tuesday night.
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There is a wide range of opinions on this topic. Some which unfortunately have got a little heated.
I would be interested in looking at who tends to back Sinnott on this topic and who doesnt and then look at the ages of those posters.
I am not saying anything concrete as I dont know who people are that are posting, but i wouldnt be surprised to see the older people supporting Sinnott and the younger ones disagreeing.
For the record i class myself as an older person at 42. Actually 43 on Tuesday. You can all buy me a beer for my Birthday on Tuesday night.
I'am 38
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Just to check we signed duncan to play football not to study ???
We signed Stuart Coburn to play football, not run a hire company. Spot the problem ?
"Part time, and we're proud of it......."
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There is a wide range of opinions on this topic. Some which unfortunately have got a little heated.
I would be interested in looking at who tends to back Sinnott on this topic and who doesnt and then look at the ages of those posters.
I am not saying anything concrete as I dont know who people are that are posting, but i wouldnt be surprised to see the older people supporting Sinnott and the younger ones disagreeing.
For the record i class myself as an older person at 42. Actually 43 on Tuesday. You can all buy me a beer for my Birthday on Tuesday night.
I'am 38
I would say its the other way round but great result today well done Sinnott the team and fans
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There is a wide range of opinions on this topic. Some which unfortunately have got a little heated.
I would be interested in looking at who tends to back Sinnott on this topic and who doesnt and then look at the ages of those posters.
I am not saying anything concrete as I dont know who people are that are posting, but i wouldnt be surprised to see the older people supporting Sinnott and the younger ones disagreeing.
For the record i class myself as an older person at 42. Actually 43 on Tuesday. You can all buy me a beer for my Birthday on Tuesday night.
I'am 38
I would say its the other way round but great result today well done Sinnott the team and fans
it was a great result jimmy and something tells me duncan will be staring again on Saturday 8)
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One question - could we not get Duncan to sing for the full duration of his uni course - 3 years I am assuming??
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One question - could we not get Duncan to sing for the full duration of his uni course - 3 years I am assuming??
Has he got that good a voice as well ?
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One question - could we not get Duncan to sing for the full duration of his uni course - 3 years I am assuming??
Has he got that good a voice as well ?
Give us an A .....
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Soz guys, I meant sign!!