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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Jezza on October 27, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
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because every time we win 4-2 or 5-3 after being 4 up and folk like me mention that conceding late goals will cost us and we get told not to be silly.......this is out there waiting to stop us reaching the play offs.......it is inexcuseable and has been happening week after week since harrogate away first game last season.
I can't wait to hear how we did nothing wrong...midfield players doing bizarre things....the home team was always going to go for it....we are not good enough etc etc etc.
I said with 6 games to go last season that we would be saying this xmas that we will miss out on the play offs because lee cannot get the players to concentrate for 90 mins...we go to sleep just before or after half time and full time....
If lee is still here at the end of the season we will have missed out on the play offs again with a team that was more than capable of competing for the title.
Onwards to Burton where we will win!
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because every time we win 4-2 or 5-3 after being 4 up and folk like me mention that conceding late goals will cost us and we get told not to be silly.......this is out there waiting to stop us reaching the play offs.......it is inexcuseable and has been happening week after week since harrogate away first game last season.
I can't wait to hear how we did nothing wrong...midfield players doing bizarre things....the home team was always going to go for it....we are not good enough etc etc etc.
I said with 6 games to go last season that we would be saying this xmas that we will miss out on the play offs because lee cannot get the players to concentrate for 90 mins...we go to sleep just before or after half time and full time....
If lee is still here at the end of the season we will have missed out on the play offs again with a team that was more than capable of competing for the title.
Onwards to Burton where we will win!
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yeah we need to score 4 at burton
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I agree with jezza here. That was a disgraceful surrender of three points. I have seen this football team f**k up plenty of times over the years but that was right up there with the worst. Shameful.
No doubt Lee Sinnott will be very measured and reasonable about it all in the dressing room and in the press. What we need is a manager who will make it forcibly clear to the players that spineless collapses like that will not be tolerated.
I'm afraid this reminds me of how I felt after Oxford away: this is a talented team but they don't have the hard streak that characterises winners. That's something that comes from the manager, or should do. But I just don't believe Lee Sinnott will ever bring us success.
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Before tuesday we had gone nine games unbeaten. A couple of injuries and we are knackered and today seems quite literally, when everyone is fit we have a good team, just a case of squad not got strength in depth .
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I agree with jezza here. That was a disgraceful surrender of three points. I have seen this football team f**k up plenty of times over the years but that was right up there with the worst. Shameful.
No doubt Lee Sinnott will be very measured and reasonable about it all in the dressing room and in the press. What we need is a manager who will make it forcibly clear to the players that spineless collapses like that will not be tolerated.
I'm afraid this reminds me of how I felt after Oxford away: this is a talented team but they don't have the hard streak that characterises winners. That's something that comes from the manager, or should do. But I just don't believe Lee Sinnott will ever bring us success.
Totally agree. >:(
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I've only made two games this season - this and Oxford. I feel completely different after the two games. Oxford we played well missed a hatful of chances and through the points away by not concentrating.
Today Al Murray the pub ref was a disgrace. The reason we couldn't hold on to the ball in the second half was that they were allowed to push, pull shirts and generally barge us off the ball at will. Richman was booked for going for a header and having the nerve to land on a player who had jumped into his legs. I have never been so cross with a ref as I was today. The odd poor decision rarely costs you the game, consistent failure to spot persistent fouling can and does cost you.
Their first goal was a rsult of at least two players climbing all over us in the box - OK our guys could be stronger but that doesn't make it legal. Booking Shaun for talking to the lineman at the end was a disgrace - Shaun is captain and entitled to talk to the officials from a respectful distance, which he was. The ref had his hand in his pocket walking over before he could have heard what Shaun was saying. Admitedly waving your finger at the ref is asking for trouble at that point but I can understand his fustration.
Not even talking to their defender when holding Simon Richman on the floor by his head .... I could go on all night
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On the plus side Lawrie ran all over the pitch and played really well. Scott looked surprisingly solid at the back, I was really impressed and the double save by Stu was again world class.
Bemoan our lack of concentration when necessary (Oxford) but there was only one reason we lost that today and he wasn't in a blue shirt.
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Staggered to have lost that. Without working thier keeper too much we had enough half chances to put the game to bed at 1-0. They deserved nothing from the game.
We lost shape in 2nd half with Watmore on LW. May have been better putting Lawrie there.
I wont mention the ref as it will seem like sour grapes.
Quick note for the keeper, we may well 'bell ends' but you have to come to ML yet
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I've only made two games this season - this and Oxford. I feel completely different after the two games. Oxford we played well missed a hatful of chances and through the points away by not concentrating.
Today Al Murray the pub ref was a disgrace. The reason we couldn't hold on to the ball in the second half was that they were allowed to push, pull shirts and generally barge us off the ball at will. Richman was booked for going for a header and having the nerve to land on a player who had jumped into his legs. I have never been so cross with a ref as I was today. The odd poor decision rarely costs you the game, consistent failure to spot persistent fouling can and does cost you.
Their first goal was a rsult of at least two players climbing all over us in the box - OK our guys could be stronger but that doesn't make it legal. Booking Shaun for talking to the lineman at the end was a disgrace - Shaun is captain and entitled to talk to the officials from a respectful distance, which he was. The ref had his hand in his pocket walking over before he could have heard what Shaun was saying. Admitedly waving your finger at the ref is asking for trouble at that point but I can understand his fustration.
Not even talking to their defender when holding Simon Richman on the floor by his head .... I could go on all night
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On the plus side Lawrie ran all over the pitch and played really well. Scott looked surprisingly solid at the back, I was really impressed and the double save by Stu was again world class.
Bemoan our lack of concentration when necessary (Oxford) but there was only one reason we lost that today and he wasn't in a blue shirt.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense. The ref was fine. The reason we lost the game was because we lack the character to see things out.
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Staggered to have lost that. Without working thier keeper too much we had enough half chances to put the game to bed at 1-0. They deserved nothing from the game.
We lost shape in 2nd half with Watmore on LW. May have been better putting Lawrie there.
I wont mention the ref as it will seem like sour grapes.
Quick note for the keeper, we may well 'bell ends' but you have to come to ML yet
Very good point about watmore. Baffling that Sinnott put him out there instead of Lawrie.
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my second match too - Oxford being the other.
I can't beleive we lost - we did dominate the second half totally but could not kill off the match. Solihull were very "robust" but the referee was appalling. We got intimidated, I think - and Watmore today looked a bit like a luxury we couldn't afford. Taking him off was the right thing to.
Densmore saw red - which is not captains behaviour for a thin squad - his suspension will cost us dear.
Saw some good touches from Midgely wwhen he came on, but he too ended up flattened a number of times.
We had enough chances to win it, but the fates conspired against s. Even so, we should not have lost and weshould have finsihed with 11 men
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We lost this game because we didn't put away chances that should have had us three goals ahead by the 85th. minute.
Yes, we had a referee who changes hands at 25.....
Yes, we failed to defend two late set pieces adequately....
Yes, we were unable to cope with the crudest team I've seen since Vauxhall came to Moss Lane last season.
But goals win games - and we should have had enough of a cushion to be safe, as we were at Gainsborough and Corby.
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Sorry folks but to be fair that second half was abysmal
As for Lawrie, I disagree, he was poor as he has been for a few games now. Fancy Dan playing for himself and not the team
And if someone try to tell me Solihull a tough place to go I will scream
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I don't understand why the manager took our best players off. Fair enough if Clee went off injured, but i don't think Reeves and Watmore were injured.
Perhaps Lee thought the game was dead and buried at 1-0 and wanted to rest our two main goal threats. Maybe if we were 3-0 up he might have a point, but taking off the top goalscorer in the country with only a very tight 1-0 lead seems a bit daft.
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Just checking Jezza's list of things we are allowed to say before posting.
In control for 88 mins and then when they equalised you knew that was winner was coming.
I'll let everyone else rip it to shreds as they do it far better than me.
If we had taken our chances we would have won the game. That keeper was decent again but we were wasteful.
Thought Leather did well standing in for the Hall if I'm allowed a positive.
We should beat Soihull Moors home and away. Apart from a couple of decent lads on each wing they were poor.
Totally gutted.
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Just checking Jezza's list of things we are allowed to say before posting.
excuse me I am not the forum police!!!!! ;D ;D
Having had time to calm down and try and find a positive it is purely that Lee possibly has prioritised the cup and are lullling burton into a false sense of security and I remain optimistic we will beat burton on our way to old trafford.
I want Lee to succeed as I do every manager and thought we'd made giant strides....yes the squad is thin, Densmore is stupid, ref awful (I can believe that one) so lots of mitigation.....so hope this is a mind on the cup blip but as I said...onwards to burton where we will win!!!
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I also fail to see what the ref ad to do with our defeat.
We bottled it again, we have no confidence to close out a game, the sort of mettle we may need at Burton
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I also fail to see what the ref ad to do with our defeat.
We bottled it again, we have no confidence to close out a game, the sort of mettle we may need at Burton
The referee's total failure to deal with Solihull's repeated foul challenges led to a number of players becoming frustrated. Richman in particular must be a mass of bruises this morning, and certainly the ref was the cause of Densmore finally losing it.
It doesn't make it right - but it was certainly a factor. But as I've already said, we lost because we failed to score from a number of decent openings.
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I'm not normally one to moan about referees as a. It is a hard job and b. they are at BSBN level, so obviously not the best and will make mistakes. However, yesterday's was just dreadful. He wasn't biased against us, just simply bad. There were 3 or 4 occasions where he blew for a foul when there was a clear advantage, and the game never flowed. Particularly in the 2nd half, he kept blowing for 50/50s, and at least 2 clear fouls that were not given.
As I said after the game on here, it was our own fault we lost.
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No doubt Lee Sinnott will be very measured and reasonable about it all in the dressing room and in the press. What we need is a manager who will make it forcibly clear to the players that spineless collapses like that will not be tolerated..
Have you ever been in one of Lee's teamtalks? How do you know that he doesnt give players rollickings when required?
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I don't understand why the manager took our best players off. Fair enough if Clee went off injured, but i don't think Reeves and Watmore were injured.
Perhaps Lee thought the game was dead and buried at 1-0 and wanted to rest our two main goal threats. Maybe if we were 3-0 up he might have a point, but taking off the top goalscorer in the country with only a very tight 1-0 lead seems a bit daft.
Watmore went off injured, but all being well will be fit to play some part on Tuesday
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No doubt Lee Sinnott will be very measured and reasonable about it all in the dressing room and in the press. What we need is a manager who will make it forcibly clear to the players that spineless collapses like that will not be tolerated..
Have you ever been in one of Lee's teamtalks? How do you know that he doesnt give players rollickings when required?
Because he always says in the press how calm he was in the dressing room afterwards.
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No doubt Lee Sinnott will be very measured and reasonable about it all in the dressing room and in the press. What we need is a manager who will make it forcibly clear to the players that spineless collapses like that will not be tolerated..
Have you ever been in one of Lee's teamtalks? How do you know that he doesnt give players rollickings when required?
Because he always says in the press how calm he was in the dressing room afterwards.
So how often do we think shouting and balling works, possible the first and second time, after players are used to it, it will be water off a ducks back. Far better to treat the players as professionals and point out observations
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No doubt Lee Sinnott will be very measured and reasonable about it all in the dressing room and in the press. What we need is a manager who will make it forcibly clear to the players that spineless collapses like that will not be tolerated..
Have you ever been in one of Lee's teamtalks? How do you know that he doesnt give players rollickings when required?
Because he always says in the press how calm he was in the dressing room afterwards.
So how often do we think shouting and balling works, possible the first and second time, after players are used to it, it will be water off a ducks back. Far better to treat the players as professionals and point out observations
It's a fair point but the flipside is that if you're calm and reasonable in every single situation, that too may become less effective as time goes on.
As a rule, I'm not in favour of rant and rave-style managers but I think a bit of that can be an important part of the mix in a successful one. My reading of the present management team (and it goes without saying that this is no more genuinely informed than 99% of the posts on here) is that when we have a mad five minutes (Oxford away, Saturday), they're so level-headed and understanding about it that the players almost come to think it's ok. What's needed is for the players to be told in no uncertain terms that lapses like that are not acceptable and must not happen again.
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I'm sure Sinnott knows just a *little* bit more about management than the few keyboard warriors on here ::)
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Can see both sides but just for the record I know that the players were locked in the dressing room for over an hour after a home game this season.
Judging by his face on Saturday I doubt it was all calm by any means.
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I'm sure Sinnott knows just a *little* bit more about management than the few keyboard warriors on here ::)
What exactly is it that you think a fans' forum is for?