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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: altyshop on August 26, 2012, 08:56:43 PM
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After saturdays dreadful peformance is it time for Sinnot to be sacked or have some dignity and step down?
We are not progressing at all under him and Tolson and a new fresh,hungry management team is IMO what is needed.
Or am I jumping the gun and being to harsh on the management.
I can accept getting beat by better teams with better players but Vauxhall just showed more desire and fight, if Sinnot cannot get that out of him players he doesnt deserve to manage OUR club.
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We are three games in,
After saturdays dreadful peformance is it time for Sinnot to be sacked or have some dignity and step down?
We are not progressing at all under him and Tolson and a new fresh,hungry management team is IMO what is needed.
Or am I jumping the gun and being to harsh on the management.
I can accept getting beat by better teams with better players but Vauxhall just showed more desire and fight, if Sinnot cannot get that out of him players he doesnt deserve to manage OUR club.
(http://solodialogue.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/embarrassed-chimpanzee.jpg)
We are three games in, we will turn this around
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I am very much far from pleased with the start we have had this season and was not overly impressed last season either
I personally believe he lives too far away to give this club it's all in terms of commitment and gaining new local talent to the club who will give 100% such as Duncan
And I am disappointed that a defender by trade struggles to sort the defence out
However 3 games in is too soon to talk about letting him go we have to give him a chance to let his new players gell and prove he can make this team work
Time is ticking though lee we need to show tommorrow and moving forward that you have made astute signings and by your own words from the local paper you want to better last season
Let's see what tommorrow brings as they say and get behind the team as Chester will either match our support or possibly outnumber us
In short not happy and we need a turnaround from 3 pm tommorrow onwards
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We are three games in, After saturdays dreadful peformance is it time for Sinnot to be sacked or have some dignity and step down?
We are not progressing at all under him and Tolson and a new fresh,hungry management team is IMO what is needed.
Or am I jumping the gun and being to harsh on the management.
I can accept getting beat by better teams with better players but Vauxhall just showed more desire and fight, if Sinnot cannot get that out of him players he doesnt deserve to manage OUR club.
(http://solodialogue.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/embarrassed-chimpanzee.jpg)
We are three games in, we will turn this around
3 games in?
oh sorry I thought Sinnot had a full season last season.Silly me
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No
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Fully agree with Alty shop, he needs t :Po go now
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The key issue for me is whether or not LS is causing the players to play with passion... if not, time to go.
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We could of course still lose this but coming back from 2-0 down against Chester suggests Lee can still inspire the players....
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NO - our half decent players apart fron Lawrie he didn't sign, he's an ex defender who can't organise a defence - I'm afraid its a no from me
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2 games left for me I was gutted when there 3rd went in as we had defended well for 25 mins
Left before the 4th as I could not face any more trouble
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First game I've missed this year so can't comment on today and it may be it was a cracker which could've gone either way. However, even at this stage we're 9 points off the top with a goal diff of -5. If our aim is the play offs and looking how the league panned out last year, time is already running out for us - never mind Lee Sinnott. If our ambition this season has to be limited to a further consolidation by necessity I'd rather see it with a clear plan and method. Given the disjointed performances thus far (including Harrogate where we got lucky in the first half) I'm not holding out any great hopes from the current management.
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LS is on increasingly thin ice I'm afraid.
Really important for me that we find some form in the next few weeks so we can avoid our annual calamitous FA Cup exit against some pumped up Evo Stik outfit too. As a team we seem completely incapable of putting a full 90 minute display together and defensively (if it were even possible) we have somehow seemingly regressed from last season.
Hopefully Nicky Clee back for Saturday but a home win with a clean sheet, would that really be too much to ask against Histon's team of 18 year olds? For a team that were tipped in the NLP as a decent e/w bet before the season started we are a total shambles.
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if we dont beat histon saturday big qeustions should be asked .
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i suspect season over after 4 games and already 9 points behind the leaders. So in case we go on a miracle run give the current management a little longer and then if no improvment look for a replacement . who can then spend the rest of the season avoiding relegation and planning for yet another next season. Think thaat is the most negative i have ever been about our chances in 40+ years of supporting alty.
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LS is on increasingly thin ice I'm afraid.
Really important for me that we find some form in the next few weeks so we can avoid our annual calamitous FA Cup exit against some pumped up Evo Stik outfit too. As a team we seem completely incapable of putting a full 90 minute display together and defensively (if it were even possible) we have somehow seemingly regressed from last season.
Hopefully Nicky Clee back for Saturday but a home win with a clean sheet, would that really be too much to ask against Histon's team of 18 year olds? For a team that were tipped in the NLP as a decent e/w bet before the season started we are a total shambles.
Histon's team of 18 Yr olds just happen to be 3 points better off than us right now
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i suspect season over after 4 games and already 9 points behind the leaders. So in case we go on a miracle run give the current management a little longer and then if no improvment look for a replacement . who can then spend the rest of the season avoiding relegation and planning for yet another next season. Think thaat is the most negative i have ever been about our chances in 40+ years of supporting alty.
I agree with you Pete. The last time we recovered and went on a miracle run was in season 1990/91 and still blew it at the end. We are already too far behind. We have also lost to a team with 10 men that will probably get relegated (VM). The biggest problem is that the 'fair weather' supporters will lose interest and stop comming so gates and revenue go down. There will always be the hard core like you and me that will support Alty no matter what - but these numbers will also dwindle. It is too late to expect a new manager to come in and turn things around this season with the current squad or new players. What worries me is the vibes that we seem to lack ambition.
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8 goals conceeded in last 2 home games. >:(
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When deciding to sack a manager (or not) the question should always be is there anyone available who can do a better job. If the answer is yes bring him in. Personally i think Graham Heathcote was and still is the man for the job.
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You ared deluded if you think gh is the man for the job look at the start to the season we had when we went down
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When deciding to sack a manager (or not) the question should always be is there anyone available who can do a better job. If the answer is yes bring him in. Personally i think Graham Heathcote was and still is the man for the job.
Yawn. By his own admission he was no longer the man for the job. He'd lost all his fight and spirit.
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Chester = promotion contenders.
Brackley = promottion contenders, we didnt think so before the season, but look at their start - wow.
Harrogate = we won
Vauxhall = we lost
Get a grip everyone, settle down.
We played well today after going 2-0 down. The signs are there that we will win games.
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Chester = promotion contenders.
Brackley = promottion contenders, we didnt think so before the season, but look at their start - wow.
Harrogate = we won
Vauxhall = we lost
Get a grip everyone, settle down.
We played well today after going 2-0 down. The signs are there that we will win games.
But not as many as we lose.
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Chester = promotion contenders.
Brackley = promottion contenders, we didnt think so before the season, but look at their start - wow.
Harrogate = we won
Vauxhall = we lost
Get a grip everyone, settle down.
We played well today after going 2-0 down. The signs are there that we will win games.
Altrincham should be promotion contenders should they not? Also we shouldnt have to go two down before we start playing!
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Chester = promotion contenders.
Brackley = promottion contenders, we didnt think so before the season, but look at their start - wow.
Harrogate = we won
Vauxhall = we lost
Get a grip everyone, settle down.
We played well today after going 2-0 down. The signs are there that we will win games.
We've been beaten at home by two teams we should be challenging and away by mid-table hopefuls. There's nothing to get a grip of, we haven't moved on from the shambolic inconsistency and defensive collapses of last season.
Harrogate - Coburn pulled off wonder saves, without them we might be bottom now.
Someone mentioned that we've signed last seasons winning centre back pairing. Well, why are we still sh*t defensively? I'm sorry but Sinnott has had his time for me. I can't see why we are suddenly going to turn things round now?
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Chester = promotion contenders.
Brackley = promottion contenders, we didnt think so before the season, but look at their start - wow.
Harrogate = we won
Vauxhall = we lost
Get a grip everyone, settle down.
We played well today after going 2-0 down. The signs are there that we will win games.
This. We should be promotion contenders or have we resigned ourselves to this league for good now then.
We've been beaten at home by two teams we should be challenging and away by mid-table hopefuls. There's nothing to get a grip of, we haven't moved on from the shambolic inconsistency and defensive collapses of last season.
Harrogate - Coburn pulled off wonder saves, without them we might be bottom now.
Someone mentioned that we've signed last seasons winning centre back pairing. Well, why are we still sh*t defensively? I'm sorry but Sinnott has had his time for me. I can't see why we are suddenly going to turn things round now?
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I think we need a bit of perspective. The manager can only work within the budget he has which is set by the Board. I think the Board need to be honest with us and tell us what their ambitions are. If we have a mid-table budget and we finish mid-table then the manager has done his job. Whilst the board have done a superb job in turning the club around, is it not time for them to look at bringing further investment into the club? (not a sugar daddy!) In the last 10 years we have gone from being a big club at this level to an also-ran and without additional funds this is unlikely to change in the near future. There is only so far a bucket collection or Bonus Ball competition can go. I am not having a go at the current board who have done a great job on the community side but I want to see a team on the pitch that can compete at the highest level we can not one continually mid-table in the Conference North.
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I would have thought we have a competitive budget, I see very little organisation of the team, they still appear like strangers to each other. Very little passion and workrate from most. Is that sinnots/tolsons fault? Probably, they need to get the best from the players available, I certainly do not see that, Sinnott in the program last week thinks there has been progress, but I do nor see it. Young Watmore has improved.
Not sure what the solution is, but one needs to be found.
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4th from bottom and conceeded the joint second highest amount of goals in the leauge if thats progress were screwed
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I think we need a bit of perspective. The manager can only work within the budget he has which is set by the Board. I think the Board need to be honest with us and tell us what their ambitions are. If we have a mid-table budget and we finish mid-table then the manager has done his job. Whilst the board have done a superb job in turning the club around, is it not time for them to look at bringing further investment into the club? (not a sugar daddy!) In the last 10 years we have gone from being a big club at this level to an also-ran and without additional funds this is unlikely to change in the near future. There is only so far a bucket collection or Bonus Ball competition can go. I am not having a go at the current board who have done a great job on the community side but I want to see a team on the pitch that can compete at the highest level we can not one continually mid-table in the Conference North.
Are we a BSP team currently residing in the BSN (a top 5 side) or are we a top 10 BSN side with a chance each season of making the play-offs ? I keep telling myself we are the former, but as time goes by I am slowly having to come to terms that we may just be the latter. It hurts to think it, but it may be the case.
Recently we have seen Morecambe, Accrington and Fleetwood pass us by and now the league we are in contains so many teams who are ludicrously bankrolled as well as re-born teams with superior home attendances and hence more money to spend.
To get promoted we need to either have a lot more money to spend or we need to have an exceptional season like we did in 2005
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To get promoted we need to either have a lot more money to spend or we need to have an exceptional season like we did in 2005
hyde didnt have a huge budget last year and they achieved promotion.
We need to face facts, Sinnot wont take us forward, our budget isnt the biggest but it clearly isnt the lowest, he isnt finding the players with enough quality, and people talking about G.H back thats an absolute horrific thought, keep him away from the managers seat, we need new fresh ideas, heathcote has had his time and so has sinnot and tolson.
even if we win against histon thats just paper over the cracks, Sinnot and Tolson out
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i'd give him till christmas, still plenty of time to turn it around.
Don't think a new manager at the moment is the answer.
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To get promoted we need to either have a lot more money to spend or we need to have an exceptional season like we did in 2005
hyde didnt have a huge budget last year and they achieved promotion.
We need to face facts, Sinnot wont take us forward, our budget isnt the biggest but it clearly isnt the lowest, he isnt finding the players with enough quality, and people talking about G.H back thats an absolute horrific thought, keep him away from the managers seat, we need new fresh ideas, heathcote has had his time and so has sinnot and tolson.
even if we win against histon thats just paper over the cracks, Sinnot and Tolson out
And replace them with Harry Potter who with his magic will take us to the Blue Square Premier with the wave of his magic wand
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And replace them with Harry Potter who with his magic will take us to the Blue Square Premier with the wave of his magic wand
no replace them with someone who has better knowledge and management skills than our current failures.
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And replace them with Harry Potter who with his magic will take us to the Blue Square Premier with the wave of his magic wand
no replace them with someone who has better knowledge and management skills than our current failures.
As Cestrian Alty said earlier - YAWN!!!!
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youve gotta give the guy till Christmas. if things dont change he has to go and we can give someone else the time to prepare for next season. so far outta the 3 games ive seen (brackley, vauxhall and Chester) the team have looked awful. the team create very little goin forward and the defence is still leaking goals. its fair to say that its not good enough
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the team create very little goin forward and the defence is still leaking goals.
To be fair, going forward against Chester, I thought we created plenty of chances to win it.
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the team create very little goin forward and the defence is still leaking goals.
To be fair, going forward against Chester, I thought we created plenty of chances to win it.
Agreed at 2-2 we had plenty of chances to win it
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the team create very little goin forward and the defence is still leaking goals.
To be fair, going forward against Chester, I thought we created plenty of chances to win it.
Agreed at 2-2 we had plenty of chances to win it
I was talking about brackely and the majority of the game at vauxhall, in both games we didnt create much but at chester we did, however the defence conceded soft goals in the 3 games ive seen
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I think this is going to run and run to be honest with you. The question is, is there evidence of things improving so that we will at least be in the play offs? Whether that be better players, more suitable tactics, better spririt and commitment whatever.
Or maybe some people think that 8th in this league is ok?
The problem is that while some people don't like saying it we are a big club (bigger resources) in htis league. By that I mean last season our attendances were roughly double that of nearly half the clubs in this league (and paying the highest prices). As such we are going to win games. We can afford players like Reeves and Clee where others can't.
Of course, in a one off game like Vauxhall we can lose but generally as we saw last season you'll beat teams like Hinckley, Workington etc (couldn't bring myself to say Histon!). So, we're never likely to be in a position where we lose 5 or 6 on the trot and it becomes an open and shut case. On that basis, LS could manage us for the next decade in this league, which takes us back to my first point. Is there over a longer term, clear signs of improvement to the standards to which we aspire?
As for what longer term is, that could go on forever.
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I make our League record in 2012:- P26 W9 D5 L12. If the resources at LS's disposal are reflected in these results and no other management team could better them then fair enough. If that's the case we all must accept we are a lower mid table BSN for the forseeable future, albeit with the League's highest admission prices and 3rd or 4th largest support base. Even with these results I'd be 100% behind the manager if I could see the plan, the approach, the method, unfortunately I can't.
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With all this stuff about the morons from Chester, I think we've all forgotten about the game yesterday. After witnessing the dreadful performances v Brackley and Vauxhall and the lucky escape v Harrogate, I was actually quite encouraged by the spirit shown from about the 30 minute mark v Chester. As soon as they scored their second goal we looked the better team for 50 minutes and really should have won the game! We got back to 2-2 and had them on the ropes until their 80th minute sucker punch. I'm not saying that everything is rosy and well - it clearly isn't - but at least the team showed spirit against a Chester side with a 100% record and probably destined for the play offs. It annoys me that we can obviously play well when we feel like it, but for most of the time look sluggish and lethargic. Lee should probably be given until Christmas to establish some consistency (at least a consistency of effort) to our performances, since we are most definately not going up this season anyway and there is probably no merit in changing the manager at this stage.
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With all this stuff about the morons from Chester, I think we've all forgotten about the game yesterday. After witnessing the dreadful performances v Brackley and Vauxhall and the lucky escape v Harrogate, I was actually quite encouraged by the spirit shown from about the 30 minute mark v Chester. As soon as they scored their second goal we looked the better team for 50 minutes and really should have won the game! We got back to 2-2 and had them on the ropes until their 80th minute sucker punch. I'm not saying that everything is rosy and well - it clearly isn't - but at least the team showed spirit against a Chester side with a 100% record and probably destined for the play offs. It annoys me that we can obviously play well when we feel like it, but for most of the time look sluggish and lethargic. Lee should probably be given until Christmas to establish some consistency (at least a consistency of effort) to our performances, since we are most definately not going up this season anyway and there is probably no merit in changing the manager at this stage.
Having watched the highlights this morning I am inclined to agree. It was a game that we could have won and we made chances. Reeves was back to being Reeves and Watmore was a class above. I although thought Rodgers had his best game in an Alty shirt.
However we seem to get punished for individual errors.
Brooke will never be a successful striker in all the world, shows occasional good moments but they are fair to infrequent. He needs replacing, it just hasn't worked out for him here. Can't help thinking he was signed as a squad player when McGivern was here and has now been thrust into a main role.
I've listened to what everyone has said about the manager and will make up my own mind but there is no way he'll last until Christmas without some serious improvement in results starting on Saturday.
Its a confidence thing now as well.
Trying times especially when we did so well to get back to 2-2 yesterday and had real chances to win it.
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Brooke will never be a successful striker in all the world, shows occasional good moments but they are fair to infrequent. He needs replacing, it just hasn't worked out for him here. Can't help thinking he was signed as a squad player when McGivern was here and has now been thrust into a main role.
I'm with you in as much as I can't see him morphing into Eric Cantona overnight, but is giving a 21 year-old lad four games enough on which to judge him? Seems a little harsh. I remember Nicky Clee looked awful for his first half a dozen matches for the club.
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Clee left, lawrie right reeves and watmore in middle for sat
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Brooke will never be a successful striker in all the world, shows occasional good moments but they are fair to infrequent. He needs replacing, it just hasn't worked out for him here. Can't help thinking he was signed as a squad player when McGivern was here and has now been thrust into a main role.
I'm with you in as much as I can't see him morphing into Eric Cantona overnight, but is giving a 21 year-old lad four games enough on which to judge him? Seems a little harsh. I remember Nicky Clee looked awful for his first half a dozen matches for the club.
Brooke won't make it. He won't commit to challenges. Maybe he's scared of being injured again, but we need someone up with Reeves and Watmore who can handle the physical side of the game.
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Mcgivern was that man, but sadly he didnt keep in contact and for all we know he is locked away inside Strangeways.
But we do need a physical forward.
Dale Johnson could have been that man, but is a lazy ass and cant be arsed.
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Clee left, lawrie right reeves and watmore in middle for sat
agree, although I'd have watmore behind reeves in a 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1
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i think we need to address the defensive side before we start talking about attacking players.
im confident there is enough goals in the team. If we score 2 goals at home, we should be getting 1 point minimum.
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Not been on voicing my opinion for a while decided today was the day :)
There is no way on earth Mr Sinnott is going to get the boot one way or another so we may as well just accept it.
Im frustrated to fook as much as anyone else but we need to crack on with the season its august FFS and the way this league is who knows what can happen!
Again a change of management just aint gonna happen were a part time team with very few options especially in monetary terms !
Its easy to feel like sh*t but I reckon give it six months we will be glad were in the top half of the table and promotion WILL happen at some point :)
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Not been on voicing my opinion for a while decided today was the day :)
There is no way on earth Mr Sinnott is going to get the boot one way or another so we may as well just accept it.
Im frustrated to fook as much as anyone else but we need to crack on with the season its august FFS and the way this league is who knows what can happen!
Again a change of management just aint gonna happen were a part time team with very few options especially in monetary terms !
Its easy to feel like sh*t but I reckon give it six months we will be glad were in the top half of the table and promotion WILL happen at some point :)
I think we are singing together on this one.
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You know what as much as I don't like his style of management to date (or they haven't worked to date) and results on the field matter but he seems sincere to me and like he actually gives a sh*t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ0aImejiZ8
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Clee left, lawrie right reeves and watmore in middle for sat
when watmore was put in the middle on Saturday he disappeared. hes much more affective on the right.
clee left, watmore right, reeves and brooke in middle.
when brooke was taken off on Saturday we conceded two goals in a short period of time, he holds the ball up well and always passes it to an alty player and very rarely gives it away. never gonna score bags of goals but still an important player in the team
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much as I can't see him morphing into Eric Cantona overnight, but is giving a 21 year-old lad four games enough on which to judge him? Seems a little harsh. I remember Nicky Clee looked awful for his first half a dozen matches for the club.
That's a touch misleading though. Clee was awful because he was unfit having done no training after playing cricket all summer. We just didn't know that at the time. Brookes performances are more indicative of his effort and ability. For me, we all slagged off Dale but we just seem to have signed the same personality with a fraction of the talent and physicality.
That may be harsh though because as Ecky said, he seemed to be signed when McGivern was here (but not Reeves?) and now seems to be the main man. He may or may not have been likely to play second fiddle to Danny Mitchley who we've barely even seen yet. - I'm not desperate to see him incidentally.
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Might I postulate the following please?
When we signed both Mitchley and Brooke we did not have Damian Reeves and nor did we anticipate that we would have
Also I would be surprised if many people thought (hoped perhaps but not thought) that Duncan would start as he has done
We now have Reevesy, and Duncan has started extremely well.
The Club needed strikers on the basis that we might have had an eighteen year old and a bloke from Liverpool who was suspended for the start of the season and was perhaps less than reliable either on the basis of form or discipline hence we signed the two that we did. Incidentally I am not classing James Lawrie as a central striker for these purposes
Once we re-signed Reeves, and Duncan started pre season (and subsequently the season proper) so well, Mitchley and Brooke seemed to play less. Hence I do have a degree of sympathy with both of them who have suddenly become less important in the eyes of the fans with the associated increased level of scrutiny and therefore criticism.
As an aside, am I the only one who DOESN'T see Duncan as a wide right player but as a central striker?
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think duncan can play either imo
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Might I postulate the following please?
When we signed both Mitchley and Brooke we did not have Damian Reeves and nor did we anticipate that we would have
Also I would be surprised if many people thought (hoped perhaps but not thought) that Duncan would start as he has done
We now have Reevesy, and Duncan has started extremely well.
The Club needed strikers on the basis that we might have had an eighteen year old and a bloke from Liverpool who was suspended for the start of the season and was perhaps less than reliable either on the basis of form or discipline hence we signed the two that we did. Incidentally I am not classing James Lawrie as a central striker for these purposes
Once we re-signed Reeves, and Duncan started pre season (and subsequently the season proper) so well, Mitchley and Brooke seemed to play less. Hence I do have a degree of sympathy with both of them who have suddenly become less important in the eyes of the fans with the associated increased level of scrutiny and therefore criticism.
As an aside, am I the only one who DOESN'T see Duncan as a wide right player but as a central striker?
No! Duncan is definately a right winger, when he's in striker posistion, he cannot use his ability of cutting in atall.
When bolting down the wing, he is the best at bringing it behind the chasing left back with his inside foot, and when the opposing center back comes over to
take it off him, he cuts passed him to the byline to deliver a cross. ;D
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ATS, you may well be right but I shudder to think where we would be now if Reeves hadn't come back and Watmore hadn't come through. I can only assume that the management had another striker lined up.
I too felt Watmore may be better centrally but it seems that he's getting more space and time on the ball out on the right at the moment. I think the key thing for now is he is doing well, so leave him where he is. Incidentally one of George's best decisions was to leave him playing in the Alty Juniors team with his mates where he was playing well rather than bring him into a youth team that at the time was struggling somewhat.
He was a central midfielder making breaks into the box when I saw him at youth level for the record (Duncan, not George!)
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On the point of Brooke suddenly having a greater role to play than initially may have been anticipated.
This also seems to be the case for Paddy Lacey. Not bad with the ball at his feet but is suddenly an 18 year old having to shore up our midfield. Not sure whether the manager has made a late decision to keep Densmore at right back and/or not give Richman a central midfield berth.
This may change however as , wank finish on Monday aside, Jake Moult looks like he may be a very capable player imo.
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I did not know as fan we chose when a manager goes,i always thought the board did things like that,oh well silly me.
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I did not know as fan we chose when a manager goes,i always thought the board did things like that,oh well silly me.
Is this your fault in any way Harold ? A change of sandwiches might be in order ;)
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ROFL,i was at home so did not have any sandwiches
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ROFL,i was at home so did not have any sandwiches
Our troubles are over ! Cheese and pickle on Saturday please !
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Once we re-signed Reeves, and Duncan started pre season (and subsequently the season proper) so well, Mitchley and Brooke seemed to play less. Hence I do have a degree of sympathy with both of them who have suddenly become less important in the eyes of the fans with the associated increased level of scrutiny and therefore criticism.
As an aside, am I the only one who DOESN'T see Duncan as a wide right player but as a central striker?
Brooke has been in the starting XI of all of our four league games to date though, therefore, I'd venture to suggest that he is actually still quite important in the scheme of things!
So far, I've been concerned by his lack of a physical presence as a nominal 'target man' and also I'm struggling to recall seeing him have a single powerful shot on target of any note.
Early days, granted, but we do need him to be much, much better.
As regards Watmore, I'd agree with your view that he is a central striker but, as someone else has indicated on here, he is currently playing remarkably well as an attacking threat on the right wing.