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www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2130242/Altrinchams-Damian-Reeves-track-League-return.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2130242/Altrinchams-Damian-Reeves-track-League-return.html)
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Well that looks like goodnight Vienna then.
I was told from a good source that the club are talking all the time to him about staying (and I don't think that's talking out of school) and doing all they can to keep him.
Sadly from that it seems he does want to go back in the league...and we can't compete with that.
We'll all wish him well I'm sure, I just hope he doesn't go to some wanky new money club like Forest Green where if the main man gets bored the pay cheque seem to get delayed. He has been to Histon and Northwich before where the promise of big money has gone sour.
At least at Alty he'll get his money every week..come on Reevesy..you know it makes sense.
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sooo, thats nicky clee in action right? some poor scout will come watch him on a good day, see him score and think they have a 40 goal a year striker...
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sooo, thats nicky clee in action right? some poor scout will come watch him on a good day, see him score and think they have a 40 goal a year striker...
That's also last years kit if i'm not wrong. If that's what they've watched then they only think they're getting a 19 goal striker in Reeves....right? :'(
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Damian deserves another crack at league football after such a superb season.I always felt if he had more game time last season we would've stayed up.Whatever he decides, he has been a fantastic servent to the club.I just hope it's the right decision for him, and a decision thats made swiftly either way with next season in mind.
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Well that looks like goodnight Vienna then.
I don't it's it's quite that certain yet
I think the right deal would have to be there. Especially if it's a FT club
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I don't think anyone would blame Damian for taking a big money offer from a League club, he was never going to go under the radar with this season's performance.
Nothing less than he deserves. Still got everything crossed that he will stay though!
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I don't think anyone would blame Damian for taking a big money offer from a League club, he was never going to go under the radar with this season's performance.
Nothing less than he deserves. Still got everything crossed that he will stay though!
Sums up my thoughts exactly. Have to hope he will stay, but we have to look options without him for next season.
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I'd like to see us trial Josh Wilson of Vauxhall if Reeves were to go, scored 18 goals at Vauxhall this season
Im sure he'd link up well if we were to keep Mcgivern
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I'd like to see us trial Josh Wilson of Vauxhall if Reeves were to go, scored 18 goals at Vauxhall this season
Im sure he'd link up well if we were to keep Mcgivern
Given his slightly dodgy record of maintaining personal relationships and idiotic sending off against Halifax, I think he'd have to do something of note in the last couple of games to earn a contract.
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Reevesy was one of the two who I thought would go at the end of the season (the other being his Yorkshire pal).
Mr Sinnot you best get you arse out there and find some decent defenders or we will be in the sh*t big time next season
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I'd like to see us trial Josh Wilson of Vauxhall if Reeves were to go, scored 18 goals at Vauxhall this season
Im sure he'd link up well if we were to keep Mcgivern
Given his slightly dodgy record of maintaining personal relationships and idiotic sending off against Halifax, I think he'd have to do something of note in the last couple of games to earn a contract.
He'll be suspended for one of them!
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I'd like to see us trial Josh Wilson of Vauxhall if Reeves were to go, scored 18 goals at Vauxhall this season
Im sure he'd link up well if we were to keep Mcgivern
Given his slightly dodgy record of maintaining personal relationships and idiotic sending off against Halifax, I think he'd have to do something of note in the last couple of games to earn a contract.
He'll be suspended for one of them!
If, as was suggested on Saturday, Leighton was sent off whilst at Vauxhall, his suspension will be a minimum of two games
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I'd like to see us trial Josh Wilson of Vauxhall if Reeves were to go, scored 18 goals at Vauxhall this season
Im sure he'd link up well if we were to keep Mcgivern
Given his slightly dodgy record of maintaining personal relationships and idiotic sending off against Halifax, I think he'd have to do something of note in the last couple of games to earn a contract.
Plenty of players have has worse disciplianry records in the last year or so - and people want one of them back.....
He doesnt seem to have been as petulant as I expected compared to way he acted against us
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I'd like to see us trial Josh Wilson of Vauxhall if Reeves were to go, scored 18 goals at Vauxhall this season
Im sure he'd link up well if we were to keep Mcgivern
Given his slightly dodgy record of maintaining personal relationships and idiotic sending off against Halifax, I think he'd have to do something of note in the last couple of games to earn a contract.
He'll be suspended for one of them!
If, as was suggested on Saturday, Leighton was sent off whilst at Vauxhall, his suspension will be a minimum of two games
Phil,
He did receive at least one red card during his spell with Vauxhall Motors this season......and it was also against FC Halifax Town:
http://www.halifaxafc.co.uk/page/HalifaxMatchReportDetail/0,,10437~2557450,00.html (http://www.halifaxafc.co.uk/page/HalifaxMatchReportDetail/0,,10437~2557450,00.html)
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Back to the subject in hand; is Reevesy still on a contract after the end of the season? Can we make sure he is given one - even with a clause to say we can sell him to a league club etc
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Reeves is a free agent in the summer. With all due respect, why would anyone sign a contract if there was a strong possibility of a big move to a league club in the offing?
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Reeves is a free agent in the summer. With all due respect, why would anyone sign a contract if there was a strong possibility of a big move to a league club in the offing?
Im sure if someone wanted him that much theyd be able to dip into the transfer funds, I wouldn't mind if he signs a contract just so we get a fee for him
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I know the board will do everything they can to keep him here, but should damien go onto FL
thats two strikers that have gone on to league football and we've not seen a penny for it...
(Can i make it clear im putting nobody to blame for this)
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Reeves is a free agent in the summer. With all due respect, why would anyone sign a contract if there was a strong possibility of a big move to a league club in the offing?
Im sure if someone wanted him that much theyd be able to dip into the transfer funds, I wouldn't mind if he signs a contract just so we get a fee for him
Eh??? Why on earth would he sign a contract to make it harder for people to sign him?
That would be barmy..
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The problem is, I suppose, that if Damien DOES fancy another crack at full time in the League, he can go back to his plastering at any later stage. It's not a skill he's going to lose after all.
I personally don't think he's quite League standard, and this season he's revelled in being at his correct level, but if he were to prove me wrong I'd be delighted for him.
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ianwatmore @ianwatmore
You know you are officially past it when you only get into the papers because of your children's exploits!
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Damian Reeves is the reason we're 8th and not 14th.
I think he will only move if its League Two or above. Why would he relocate himself to a full-time Blue Square Premier club for £700 p/w when he can get more money playing part time and continuing as a plasterer?
He's said that he will only sign for someone if the deal is completely right for him. I'm no expert on the plastering business but I imagine that a new (and more lucrative) part-time contract with us, plus being able to continue his weekly trade will bring him close to £1,000 p/w when you consider the goal bonuses that he could be on.
The same principle about BSP teams can be applied to the Football League by my reckoning. Will he really want to move hundreds of miles away for an extra £100/£200 p/w? Especially if his partner is pregnant.
Perhaps its just wishful thinking, and he definitely deserves League football, but you never know...
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Some bsp clubs prob could offer close to maybe even a grand a week
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Reeves is a free agent in the summer. With all due respect, why would anyone sign a contract if there was a strong possibility of a big move to a league club in the offing?
Im sure if someone wanted him that much theyd be able to dip into the transfer funds, I wouldn't mind if he signs a contract just so we get a fee for him
Eh??? Why on earth would he sign a contract to make it harder for people to sign him?
That would be barmy..
The point I'm making is that people will be willing to pay for him, so better to get the money someone is willing to pay than not receive a penny
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But why would Damien sign up for a contract so that Alty can get £7k fee when, if he's not on a contract, he can push the new club to pay him a £5k joining fee seeing as how he has taken the risk of not signing a contract at Alty to save his new employers a bob or two.
Which is the point Mark was making
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Reeves is a free agent in the summer. With all due respect, why would anyone sign a contract if there was a strong possibility of a big move to a league club in the offing?
Im sure if someone wanted him that much theyd be able to dip into the transfer funds, I wouldn't mind if he signs a contract just so we get a fee for him
Eh??? Why on earth would he sign a contract to make it harder for people to sign him?
That would be barmy..
The point I'm making is that people will be willing to pay for him, so better to get the money someone is willing to pay than not receive a penny
Yes, we get the point.........it's just completely misguided !!
Maybe there's a full time club out there that also needs a part time plasterer ;D
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I personally don't think he's quite League standard, and this season he's revelled in being at his correct level, but if he were to prove me wrong I'd be delighted for him.
Respectfully Phil, to have scored the number of goals he has this season would suggest to me that he may be playing at a level just a tad below his correct level. maybe BSP is about right
(not that I am in any way saying I don't want him here next season, although I suspect it's more likely that I will Referee the next World Cup Final)
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Another possible influential factor relates to exactly who gets promoted from the BSN.
If either of Guiseley or FC Halifax Town (or even both) go up, surely they would be interested in trying to sign Reeves (and possibly Nicky Clee, too) whilst being in a position to offer him a more lucrative salary than us?
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Another possible influential factor relates to exactly who gets promoted from the BSN.
If either of Guiseley or FC Halifax Town (or even both) go up, surely they would be interested in trying to sign Reeves (and possibly Nicky Clee, too) whilst being in a position to offer him a more lucrative salary than us?
Quite so, but the lad wants to play League.
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wouldn't damian sign a contract which has a clause saying we would release him for no up front fee, just a sell on percentage clause?
that way we may get something in the long term?
I'm surprised we didn't do something with this with jack redshaw so that morecambe could have had him but if they ever sold him we would get a percentage.....
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I personally don't think he's quite League standard, and this season he's revelled in being at his correct level, but if he were to prove me wrong I'd be delighted for him.
Respectfully Phil, to have scored the number of goals he has this season would suggest to me that he may be playing at a level just a tad below his correct level. maybe BSP is about right
(not that I am in any way saying I don't want him here next season, although I suspect it's more likely that I will Referee the next World Cup Final)
You couldnt do any worse than that nob at Wembley the other day ATS ;)
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wouldn't damian sign a contract which has a clause saying we would release him for no up front fee, just a sell on percentage clause?
that way we may get something in the long term?
I'm surprised we didn't do something with this with jack redshaw so that morecambe could have had him but if they ever sold him we would get a percentage.....
If this is serious (I honestly can't tell) then no player would sign anything that could harm a transfer move and have no gain for them.
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wouldn't damian sign a contract which has a clause saying we would release him for no up front fee, just a sell on percentage clause?
that way we may get something in the long term?
I'm surprised we didn't do something with this with jack redshaw so that morecambe could have had him but if they ever sold him we would get a percentage.....
If this is serious (I honestly can't tell) then no player would sign anything that could harm a transfer move and have no gain for them.
So what happened to the Reeves who you praised for staying with us this season despite turning down offers from better clubs and not being a money grabber?
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Think we have to stop this cave man attitude of calling players who leave
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wouldn't damian sign a contract which has a clause saying we would release him for no up front fee, just a sell on percentage clause?
that way we may get something in the long term?
I'm surprised we didn't do something with this with jack redshaw so that morecambe could have had him but if they ever sold him we would get a percentage.....
If this is serious (I honestly can't tell) then no player would sign anything that could harm a transfer move and have no gain for them.
So what happened to the Reeves who you praised for staying with us this season despite turning down offers from better clubs and not being a money grabber?
I think you're on a windup but you're an experienced poster on here so I can't be sure.
It was great that Reeves turned down other offers mid season to stay with us and fulful his contractual obligation.
He has done that now and is free to listen to all offers (including ours) and decide what he would like to do.
Would you sign a form that would make it less attractive to get a move?
I'm being serious when I say whats in it for him to do that, it's not money grabbing, it would just be odd for him to do that.
You can't be suggesting he is a money grabber surely?
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We know it, the club hopefully knows it and I'm sure that Reeves himself knows it that he is wanted- and if a club wants a player, they will be willing to pay for him. We seem to be disagreeing on the point that, just because he is contracted, doesn't mean a FL club will turn around and go- sod it, we'll just pay over the odds for someone else
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We know it, the club hopefully knows it and I'm sure that Reeves himself knows it that he is wanted- and if a club wants a player, they will be willing to pay for him. We seem to be disagreeing on the point that, just because he is contracted, doesn't mean a FL club will turn around and go- sod it, we'll just pay over the odds for someone else
We're disagreeing on the fact that there is no reason to sign a contract with Alty first?
He knows he can take Altys offer at pretty much anytime (certainly up to pre season anyway) so he is surely just going to listen to the other offers first before he signs anything.
Perhaps I'm being odd here but I don't believe any player would do or has done what you are saying, I know I wouldn't do it for sure.
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For the club's sake maybe, being the kind of people him and his family are? The contract IMO wouldn't be an obstacle
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http://blog.sport.co.uk/Football/592/Top_Ten_Non_League_to_Premier_League.aspx
Add grant holt and Morison
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Obstacle or not; what good would it do him?
He'd probably still get a deal if he did sign a contract but it'd be more limited as some of the clubs who would've signed him, wouldn't. From his perspective there is absolutely no benefit, it's just a hindrance.
Exactly. From Reeves' point of view, if you want away and want as big a selection as possible of potential clubs to choose from, why on earth would you sign a token contract that would provide no financial benefit and deter some clubs from showing an interest?
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Solution: he signs a contract with Alty allowing him to move for free to a league club as long as there is a sell on clause. Does that work?
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Solution: he signs a contract with Alty allowing him to move for free to a league club as long as there is a sell on clause. Does that work?
WHY!!!!!
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His only loyalty as an ambitious player, and soon-to-be father, must be to himself and his family. I'm sure that if he does go, and comes up against us with another club, he too will show the respect that Chris Senior did at Guiseley.
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Solution: he signs a contract with Alty allowing him to move for free to a league club as long as there is a sell on clause. Does that work?
WHY!!!!!
Just a thought!
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Solution: he signs a contract with Alty allowing him to move for free to a league club as long as there is a sell on clause. Does that work?
WHY!!!!!
Just a thought!
And what would Reeves gain from doing that?
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Hi Damian, listen, you've worked hard for us and we'd like you to stay and can give you a contract now that guarantees you and your family securityfor the next year in the unlikely event that no-one else offers you acceptable terms or you get hit by a bus tomorrow...now, we wont stop you leaving for another club if one comes in and we wont ask for a fee and we'll put that into your contract...all we will ask the club you want to go to is that they agree to a sell on fee if that club should ever sell you on....
Oh yeah....no way any player in the world would agree to that......and no club is going to sign damian under such unreasonable terms...
would morecambe have been put off taking jack redshaw for nothing if we'd insisted on claiming 10% of any fee they got if they ever sold him on?....
...sorry is it me????? must be losing my marbles coz it makes sense to me... clearly we should just give up now and let the lad go for nothing....
maybe damian would gain nothing....apart from the security of a contract under his belt....but it would cost him nothing and would be a nice way of him of him doing the club that has given him his chance to shine a favour....
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Hi Damian, listen, you've worked hard for us and we'd like you to stay and can give you a contract now that guarantees you and your family securityfor the next year in the unlikely event that no-one else offers you acceptable terms or you get hit by a bus tomorrow...now, we wont stop you leaving for another club if one comes in and we wont ask for a fee and we'll put that into your contract...all we will ask the club you want to go to is that they agree to a sell on fee if that club should ever sell you on....
Oh yeah....no way any player in the world would agree to that......and no club is going to sign damian under such unreasonable terms...
would morecambe have been put off taking jack redshaw for nothing if we'd insisted on claiming 10% of any fee they got if they ever sold him on?....
...sorry is it me????? must be losing my marbles coz it makes sense to me... clearly we should just give up now and let the lad go for nothing....
maybe damian would gain nothing....apart from the security of a contract under his belt....but it would cost him nothing and would be a nice way of him of him doing the club that has given him his chance to shine a favour....
Do you think that Englands top scorer is worried about the security of a contract!
He owes us nothing and will sign nothing, especially not a contract that just been dreamed up on the forum.
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Hi Damian, listen, you've worked hard for us and we'd like you to stay and can give you a contract now that guarantees you and your family securityfor the next year in the unlikely event that no-one else offers you acceptable terms or you get hit by a bus tomorrow...now, we wont stop you leaving for another club if one comes in and we wont ask for a fee and we'll put that into your contract...all we will ask the club you want to go to is that they agree to a sell on fee if that club should ever sell you on....
Oh yeah....no way any player in the world would agree to that......and no club is going to sign damian under such unreasonable terms...
would morecambe have been put off taking jack redshaw for nothing if we'd insisted on claiming 10% of any fee they got if they ever sold him on?....
...sorry is it me????? must be losing my marbles coz it makes sense to me... clearly we should just give up now and let the lad go for nothing....
maybe damian would gain nothing....apart from the security of a contract under his belt....but it would cost him nothing and would be a nice way of him of him doing the club that has given him his chance to shine a favour....
Do you think that Englands top scorer is worried about the security of a contract!
He owes us nothing and will sign nothing, especially not a contract that just been dreamed up on the forum.
Bollocks to it, lets not discuss formations or our opinions of the quality of the players, because the manager isn't going to listen to anything dreamt up on the forum.
But in answer to eckys post before WHY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! What would he have to lose from that?
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Hi Damian, listen, you've worked hard for us and we'd like you to stay and can give you a contract now that guarantees you and your family securityfor the next year in the unlikely event that no-one else offers you acceptable terms or you get hit by a bus tomorrow...now, we wont stop you leaving for another club if one comes in and we wont ask for a fee and we'll put that into your contract...all we will ask the club you want to go to is that they agree to a sell on fee if that club should ever sell you on....
Oh yeah....no way any player in the world would agree to that......and no club is going to sign damian under such unreasonable terms...
would morecambe have been put off taking jack redshaw for nothing if we'd insisted on claiming 10% of any fee they got if they ever sold him on?....
...sorry is it me????? must be losing my marbles coz it makes sense to me... clearly we should just give up now and let the lad go for nothing....
maybe damian would gain nothing....apart from the security of a contract under his belt....but it would cost him nothing and would be a nice way of him of him doing the club that has given him his chance to shine a favour....
Do you think that Englands top scorer is worried about the security of a contract!
He owes us nothing and will sign nothing, especially not a contract that just been dreamed up on the forum.
Bollocks to it, lets not discuss formations or our opinions of the quality of the players, because the manager isn't going to listen to anything dreamt up on the forum.
But in answer to eckys post before WHY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! What would he have to lose from that?
No harm in trying!
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This thread has been very instructive as to which forum members can and cannot follow a logical argument.
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This thread has been very instructive as to which forum members can and cannot follow a logical argument.
lost me posts and posts ago. Put me in the durr brain camp.
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I think it's all about being realistic. Yes, by all means the club should do (and is doing) all it can to hold onto Damian Reeves. He is a fantastic striker who has achieved a tally of league goals in one season that we will most likely never see by another Alty striker in the next 50 years. Who in their right mind wouldn't move heaven and earth to try and retain his services?
Now look at it from Damian's perspective: he stayed here last summer when more lucrative offers were on the table and showed loyalty to Altrincham Football Club at a time when jumping ship would have been the easiest thing in the world to do. He more than repaid us with repeated displays of finishing that have been the highlight of an ultimately disappointing season. As a result of his individual success he will now be courted by clubs far and wide looking to secure his services for next season and beyond. This is going to be his big chance.
I understand why people are suggesting that we should try and get him to sign some sort of contract because it's only natural that we, as a club, want to try and offset the potential loss of our best playing asset in the summer by earning some kind of financial windfall in the future. However, we have to be realistic and accept that someone in Damian's position is highly unlikely to do that as life just doesn't work like that. The guy owes us nothing and as much as I would jump for joy if he signed on with us again I just think it won't happen, not in any shape or form.
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By golly chip pan man you have summed it up rather nicely.........maybe others will now read this and start to 'get it.......I know many already have
BTW.......If you ask me I think we should get Reevesy to sign a contract so we get some money for him if / when he leaves ::)
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Has no-one thought of the option of physically forcing Damian to sign a contract?
We need to think outside the (penalty) box.
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How about putting it this way. There is absolutely no harm in offering a contract to a player who wants to leave and would have higher placed, better resourced clubs after him.
But the player would be nuts to sign it.
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I think we should tell him that this new shopping centre that's being built has hundreds of units that need plastering, and that the owner is a football fanatic and will only allow an altrincham player to carry out the work.
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I think it's all about being realistic. Yes, by all means the club should do (and is doing) all it can to hold onto Damian Reeves. He is a fantastic striker who has achieved a tally of league goals in one season that we will most likely never see by another Alty striker in the next 50 years. Who in their right mind wouldn't move heaven and earth to try and retain his services?
Now look at it from Damian's perspective: he stayed here last summer when more lucrative offers were on the table and showed loyalty to Altrincham Football Club at a time when jumping ship would have been the easiest thing in the world to do. He more than repaid us with repeated displays of finishing that have been the highlight of an ultimately disappointing season. As a result of his individual success he will now be courted by clubs far and wide looking to secure his services for next season and beyond. This is going to be his big chance.
I understand why people are suggesting that we should try and get him to sign some sort of contract because it's only natural that we, as a club, want to try and offset the potential loss of our best playing asset in the summer by earning some kind of financial windfall in the future. However, we have to be realistic and accept that someone in Damian's position is highly unlikely to do that as life just doesn't work like that. The guy owes us nothing and as much as I would jump for joy if he signed on with us again I just think it won't happen, not in any shape or form.
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Its a shame, but i have to say that even if we wouldve won the league, reeves would still go as he has to seek his best potential after giving us another shot, its a weird game football, this time last season nicky clee was our best player, now he can only just make the team out of position! basically anything could happen, he could even go to ascotland and play for ross county next season!
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I shook Damien's hand before the game at Eastwood this afternoon, thanked him for giving me something special to remember in an otherwise disappointing season, and wished him well wherever he may be next season.
It's important he knows how much he's appreciated, and the reception the lads got at the end today is another good reminder.
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Its a shame, but i have to say that even if we wouldve won the league, reeves would still go as he has to seek his best potential after giving us another shot, its a weird game football, this time last season nicky clee was our best player, now he can only just make the team out of position! basically anything could happen, he could even go to ascotland and play for ross county next season!
Allegedly Kilmarnock were interested!
i have come to the conclusion that he will play in scotland next season!
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I shook Damien's hand before the game at Eastwood this afternoon, thanked him for giving me something special to remember in an otherwise disappointing season, and wished him well wherever he may be next season.
It's important he knows how much he's appreciated, and the reception the lads got at the end today is another good reminder.
Indeed, we must devote a lot of chanting time to him on Saturday and it would be nice to ensure we get the usual good turnout at the race night to thank him, as I reckon he is going to get player of the year.
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I'm sure after today he will stay, why throw away the chance to play at grounds like eastwood week in week out
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I'm sure after today he will stay, why throw away the chance to play at grounds like eastwood week in week out
i love our gallows humour ;D
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I'm sure after today he will stay, why throw away the chance to play at grounds like eastwood week in week out
i love our gallows humour ;D
I don't think he was joking ;D ;D
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It is said that Reeves agent is a good friend of Kilmarnocks manager.