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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Jenga on April 02, 2012, 12:37:22 PM
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In all fairness I am not going to judge LS on this seasons performance...........why you might ask.
1) It takes time to build a team and bring in players you want to play for you, please dont say he should have done this in pre-season, two or three months is NOT long enough.
2) You have to remember LS was out of management for 2 years before coming to Alty. He was chosen from a shortlist of something like 70 applications if I recall. No doubt the position was offered to LS on the basis of past experience, wages, enthusiasm, connections etc. May I also add most on here were also happy to have LS as manager.
3) It takes time to arrange your back room staff. To get scouting reports on players, find available players to have discussions with, know your team, know your fans even.
I openly admit that at times on the pitch we have been poor, and I bet pound to a penny Mr LS is fully aware of what is going wrong and why it is going wrong. You may ask why has he not sorted the defence out, especially as alot of you keep reminding him, that he is a defender. My comment is this, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.
Close season I expect a lot of work will be done behind the scenes to bring in new players were required and to hopefully keep the better players that we still have.
So as a closing comment, I am all behind LS, even though he doesnt wear a tracksuit, doesnt wave to the fans, lives in Hull, goes on holiday before the season starts (even though he had probably booked it before he joined Alty), doesnt jump up and down on the sidelines like a demented monkey and doesnt tell the main stand to F*** Off when things go wrong.
Good luck for next season Lee.
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This
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In all fairness I am not going to judge LS on this seasons performance...........why you might ask.
1) It takes time to build a team and bring in players you want to play for you, please dont say he should have done this in pre-season, two or three months is NOT long enough.
2) You have to remember LS was out of management for 2 years before coming to Alty. He was chosen from a shortlist of something like 70 applications if I recall. No doubt the position was offered to LS on the basis of past experience, wages, enthusiasm, connections etc. May I also add most on here were also happy to have LS as manager.
3) It takes time to arrange your back room staff. To get scouting reports on players, find available players to have discussions with, know your team, know your fans even.
I openly admit that at times on the pitch we have been poor, and I bet pound to a penny Mr LS is fully aware of what is going wrong and why it is going wrong. You may ask why has he not sorted the defence out, especially as alot of you keep reminding him, that he is a defender. My comment is this, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.
Close season I expect a lot of work will be done behind the scenes to bring in new players were required and to hopefully keep the better players that we still have.
So as a closing comment, I am all behind LS, even though he doesnt wear a tracksuit, doesnt wave to the fans, lives in Hull, goes on holiday before the season starts (even though he had probably booked it before he joined Alty), doesnt jump up and down on the sidelines like a demented monkey and doesnt tell the main stand to F*** Off when things go wrong.
Good luck for next season Lee.
Far too sensible a post for this forum ;)
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Definately the voice of reason
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Great post, I agree with all of that.
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Great post, I agree with all of that.
And me.
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JENGA BRILLIANT.
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I was expecting us to finish in the play off positions this year, but if we are just outside them, which is fair enough, it's not as if we are 20 points off the playoffs.. LS said he had a two year plan, so i think we should look where we are this time next season before making any rash decisions about the manager. It's also worth baring in mind the fact that Lee has been really unlucky with injuries. For example, if Marlon Broomes and Nicky Clee hadn't been sidelined recently, i'm convinced we would have picked up enough points over the last month or so put us in the top 5.
Our front four - Clee, Reeves, McGiven, Lawrie - is as good as any team in the league when we have the ball. Our downside has been sloppy defensive errors and not being competitive in midfield. Hopefully Lee will put it right in the summer. It will be interesting to see who he signs in the summer, especially if a bit of money is freed up from releasing Michael Twiss. I'd like to see a 6'5 beast centre half (in the mould of Earl Davis), plus a ball winning midfielder (resign Anthony Danylyk) just to toughen us up, as i do feel sometimes we are a bit Arsenal / pretty football, and can't rough it when the going gets tough and we come up against physical teams.
That said, Lee's biggest challenge is keeping Damian at the club next season. I wouldn't be surprised if a few league 2 clubs came sniffing for him, and although i wouldn't blame him for wanting to play fulltime, I do hope the board are prepared to open the cheque book and make him an offer he can't refuse to stay at Moss Lane.
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LS needs
and will be planning for next season without Damien
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I would imagine any offer to damian could easily be doubled by a fair few league two teams
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That's right Jenga.
C'mon the Alty.
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I'm contemplating leaving the country.
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Unbelievable patiance, to the extent that it could be damaging to the club, and to have a pop at gh is pathetic, most fans at the ground wanted a new manager yesterday now this? Is this forum an accurate indication of alty fans true feelings
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This thread was started on April 2nd.
I wouldn't suggest that a 1000 home fans shows quite the level of crisis that is displayed on here.
This is a forum of about 40 people, 20 who post regularly.
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This thread was started on April 2nd.
I wouldn't suggest that a 1000 home fans shows quite the level of crisis that is displayed on here.
This is a forum of about 40 people, 20 who post regularly.
Ecky
Don't let a few facts get in the way of a rant!!
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personally i will give him a vote of confidence or non confidence in 4 games time
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I was expecting us to finish in the play off positions this year, but if we are just outside them, which is fair enough, it's not as if we are 20 points off the playoffs.. LS said he had a two year plan, so i think we should look where we are this time next season before making any rash decisions about the manager. It's also worth baring in mind the fact that Lee has been really unlucky with injuries. For example, if Marlon Broomes and Nicky Clee hadn't been sidelined recently, i'm convinced we would have picked up enough points over the last month or so put us in the top 5.
1. We've never really truly looked like making the play offs. I think we've spent 2 weeks in them. Periphery otherwise.
2. In fairness to LS I don't think he ever actually uttered the words 2 year plan.
But with regards to being unlucky with injuries? Marlon Broomes is a bad example. His fitness record is terrible. Should this have been taken into consideration or was it just another panic signing?
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I'm contemplating leaving the country.
Gareth,
If you decide to go, can you take Twiss and Richman with you. >:( >:(
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I was expecting us to finish in the play off positions this year, but if we are just outside them, which is fair enough, it's not as if we are 20 points off the playoffs.. LS said he had a two year plan, so i think we should look where we are this time next season before making any rash decisions about the manager. It's also worth baring in mind the fact that Lee has been really unlucky with injuries. For example, if Marlon Broomes and Nicky Clee hadn't been sidelined recently, i'm convinced we would have picked up enough points over the last month or so put us in the top 5.
1. We've never really truly looked like making the play offs. I think we've spent 2 weeks in them. Periphery otherwise.
2. In fairness to LS I don't think he ever actually uttered the words 2 year plan.
But with regards to being unlucky with injuries? Marlon Broomes is a bad example. His fitness record is terrible. Should this have been taken into consideration or was it just another panic signing?
LS never mentioned the words 2 year plan
The 2 year plan was made up by some posters on this forum as a ready made excuse for failure this season
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I was expecting us to finish in the play off positions this year, but if we are just outside them, which is fair enough, it's not as if we are 20 points off the playoffs.. LS said he had a two year plan, so i think we should look where we are this time next season before making any rash decisions about the manager. It's also worth baring in mind the fact that Lee has been really unlucky with injuries. For example, if Marlon Broomes and Nicky Clee hadn't been sidelined recently, i'm convinced we would have picked up enough points over the last month or so put us in the top 5.
1. We've never really truly looked like making the play offs. I think we've spent 2 weeks in them. Periphery otherwise.
2. In fairness to LS I don't think he ever actually uttered the words 2 year plan.
But with regards to being unlucky with injuries? Marlon Broomes is a bad example. His fitness record is terrible. Should this have been taken into consideration or was it just another panic signing?
Exactly, Ballers.
Broomes is a 35-year-old with dodgy hamstrings whose career has been littered with injuries.
Hardly a great long term prospect.
Plus you could also argue that we have actually been extremely fortunate, to date, in that Damien Reeves has (touch wood) not incurred a notable injury all season.
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I was expecting us to finish in the play off positions this year, but if we are just outside them, which is fair enough, it's not as if we are 20 points off the playoffs.. LS said he had a two year plan, so i think we should look where we are this time next season before making any rash decisions about the manager. It's also worth baring in mind the fact that Lee has been really unlucky with injuries. For example, if Marlon Broomes and Nicky Clee hadn't been sidelined recently, i'm convinced we would have picked up enough points over the last month or so put us in the top 5.
1. We've never really truly looked like making the play offs. I think we've spent 2 weeks in them. Periphery otherwise.
2. In fairness to LS I don't think he ever actually uttered the words 2 year plan.
But with regards to being unlucky with injuries? Marlon Broomes is a bad example. His fitness record is terrible. Should this have been taken into consideration or was it just another panic signing?
LS never mentioned the words 2 year plan
The 2 year plan was made up by some posters on this forum as a ready made excuse for failure this season
What LS ACTUALLY said was that he wanted a squad capable of going up and staying up - and that it might not happen immediately. So at least a two year plan, which on present evidence we're three years away from achieving >:(
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I think we all know what we need to improve next season,...its not a new manager, its simply BETTER players. Yes we have some decent players must not enough quality through the side especially defensively. I am pretty confident that Reeves and Clee will be here next year, plus Dens, Lawrie, watmore, maybe Phelan, maybe Mc Givern (who hasnt played as well for us as he did against us) , I think Connors will come. The rest can be replaced for me with better quality players, even Flynn dives in too much for me although he's got ability.
The real question you should be asking is,....does LS have the profile/contacts or does the club have the money to attract the better quality players we need. For example, if we had Hydes defence all season then, in my opinion we would be up there now.
It wont be any easier next year, unless we sign a lot more quality, lets hope Lee can achieve that. At least this year he DOES have the time and must know who he would like to bring in. I dont think LS has done too bad, at least the players want to play for him and the football has been much more entertaining this year.
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I think our league position will reflect our budget position in the league.
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I think our league position will reflect our budget position in the league.
Just shows why having United Reserves here is so important. I just hope they stay here and that hopefully we'll have a slightly improved budget after the adjustments that were made to negate the overspend from 2010/11.
I definitely think LS deserves more time. Any nagging doubts in my mind are about Tolson to be honest, especially after his poor record as manager of Hyde.
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I think our league position will reflect our budget position in the league.
If that is the case you've got question why our budget is midtable in this this league then when we get average gates over of over 800 and charge £3 more than most to get in...
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I think our league position will reflect our budget position in the league.
If that is the case you've got question why our budget is midtable in this this league then when we get average gates over of over 800 and charge £3 more than most to get in...
Maybe summat to do with paying off last season's deficit Pete?
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I think our league position will reflect our budget position in the league.
If that is the case you've got question why our budget is midtable in this this league then when we get average gates over of over 800 and charge £3 more than most to get in...
You then have to ask,where are the other clubs getting their money from,or are they running up a lot of debt.
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Its not just about gates at this level. It's also about sugar daddy chairmen, directors' loans, a social club thats used every day, owning your ground so you can borrow more against it, the size of your lottery, repaying existing debt, and so on and so on.
In terms of money through the turnstiles, we are clearly one of the top resourced clubs in this league. But the turnstiles are only part of it.
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United had their devolpment fund and we had something silular in the 60s and 70s
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:P Lee Sinnott: what a second rate joke- only fit to manage a pub team.