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Title: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: RocketDan on August 16, 2011, 10:05:58 PM
where to start????



Paul Jones, an experience centre half, starting to panic every time a long ball is pumped up. Surely they must be bread and butter for him. He was marking Craig Bellamy two week ago!

A midfield simply not looking where they are passing and easily giving the ball away to opposition players.
 
Two wide midfielders playing out of position on opposite wings, struggling to use their weaker foot.

Incompetent jokes of a referee and linesmen.

Can someone tell Nicky Clee there are no prizes for most step overs? He's by far our best player, i just wish he would stop fannying about with the ball so much.

A manager who shows no emotion, no passion and no leadership from the side of the pitch. Is there really a need for a suit in this league? I'd much rather see him track suited up and blowing his rag at the team,



After such a promising pre-season, I can't help but wonder where everything has gone. Nerves and over anticipation? It's not the quality of the opposition, they have been dire, but for some reason we seem to stoop to their level and hoof it around without thought or skill. Technically we are a sound team, as shown in pre-season, we just need to reapply the same methods to competitive games without being overawed by the sh*ttness of the opposition.

That said, very good turnout tonight, bring on Saturday.



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Post by: wayno on August 16, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
I thought Mullholland looked good when he came on but was not given enough time the other 2 subs were poor agree with comments on jones hoof hoof hoof

We need to step it up and quickly tonight was poor thank heavens for the defenders blunder that gifted us the goal
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Post by: Jenga on August 16, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
New season same old sh*t.

We are better than the first two results suggest as was shown by pre season.

Got to say I am not at all happy at the moment.
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Post by: markecky on August 16, 2011, 10:14:28 PM
We need to adapt quickly to this league.  We can be under no illusions what its like now.

Tonight performance was very poor all over to be honest, only the pace of Mulholland was a bright spark.

For me, I'd rather not have a manager who rants and raves and chases referees and lamblasts players and goes in moods at half time and such.  We've had one of those.

Hopefully he will never make Clee swop wings again.

Poor performance, poor game, don't even start me off on the level of support but a point at least.

Must do better Saturday.

We also must have 200 season ticket holders who only come on a Saturday.
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Post by: thegazelle on August 16, 2011, 10:20:54 PM
its tin pot bob but we aint going to p!iss based on the peformance i watched tonight.

very dissapointed
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Post by: VofD on August 16, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
Absolute GARBAGE and totally CLUELESS. What on earth do the management team see in Summerskill and Richman : they were awful. Not one of the outfield players had a decent game tonight, especially Reeves who was rubbish. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: finnquark on August 16, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
A manager who shows no emotion, no passion and no leadership from the side of the pitch. Is there really a need for a suit in this league? I'd much rather see him track suited up and blowing his rag at the team,

Yeah, what we need is a bloke, you know, a mans' man, a bloke, in one of those tracksuits that men wear. Not somebody in a suit. Suits? Suits? Ridiculous. What we need is a bloke in a tracky, especially in this league, this league isn't a suit league, it's a track suit league, and anyone who doesnt realise that is a clown. We also need him to wear a series of Venetian masks to convey his emotions. Jones misplaces a pass - stick the sad face on. Densmore scores - get him the happy mask! So yeah, what we need is a mans' man, in a bloke's tracksuit with a series of Venetian masks so that we win the league.
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Post by: joe on August 16, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
Clee on the right does not work! It's like Taggart telling Rooney to play left back,total waste of talent. I also agree with everything else said on this thread.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: VofD on August 16, 2011, 10:32:10 PM
where to start????



Paul Jones, an experience centre half, starting to panic every time a long ball is pumped up. Surely they must be bread and butter for him. He was marking Craig Bellamy two week ago!

A midfield simply not looking where they are passing and easily giving the ball away to opposition players.
 
Two wide midfielders playing out of position on opposite wings, struggling to use their weaker foot.

Incompetent jokes of a referee and linesmen.

Can someone tell Nicky Clee there are no prizes for most step overs? He's by far our best player, i just wish he would stop fannying about with the ball so much.
A manager who shows no emotion, no passion and no leadership from the side of the pitch. Is there really a need for a suit in this league? I'd much rather see him track suited up and blowing his rag at the team,



After such a promising pre-season, I can't help but wonder where everything has gone. Nerves and over anticipation? It's not the quality of the opposition, they have been dire, but for some reason we seem to stoop to their level and hoof it around without thought or skill. Technically we are a sound team, as shown in pre-season, we just need to reapply the same methods to competitive games without being overawed by the sh*ttness of the opposition.

That said, very good turnout tonight, bring on Saturday.




Totally agree and why the f*** doesn't he shoot when given the opportunity.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Knutsford Alty on August 16, 2011, 10:35:20 PM
Will Nicky Clee still be doing his step overs till midnight or shall we take him some hot milk?

Mr Yungs is still open, anyone for prawn crackers.......Nicky hit the bloody thing in the area and quit the tricks...
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Post by: Dougals Dad on August 16, 2011, 10:35:48 PM
Managed to catch the second half on t'internet at work - sounded very uninspiring.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Knutsford Alty on August 16, 2011, 10:37:54 PM
I am still dazzled by Nicky's step overs in the flesh, lucky you ;)
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Post by: andrewflynn on August 16, 2011, 10:40:25 PM
Last season we were a team going to places and keeping eight or nine men behind the ball at all times. Tonight we played against a team that in the second half deployed that very same tactic. This transition from being a side looking to clear the ball at every opportunity, to a side that has to break down defensive teams, cannot be one that we as fans should expect to happen overnight.

However, I do agree that we need to figure this out sooner rather than later; because at the moment we are stooping to the quite frankly awful levels of our opposition. Whilst I agree that tonight's performance was nowhere near what we have come to expect after a promising pre season, perhaps we should take a step back and consider that although we are one of the favourites in this league, it is in fact only the second game of the season.
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Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on August 16, 2011, 10:42:59 PM
I obviously haven't seen either league game that we've played so far. However, it is clear to me (based on what I've read) that we played some really good football at Harrogate and created enough chances to have won the game comfortably. Tonight, on the other hand, has been universally acknowledged as a poor performance. The team didn't play well on Saturday by fluke as that was in keeping with a lot of our pre-season form. Therefore, it appears likely that tonight was more a case of a bad day at the office than various individuals simply being downright useless.    

Clearly big improvements are needed but hopefully things are not as bad as they seem. Fingers crossed for a big improvement on Saturday!                      
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Timperley The Best on August 16, 2011, 10:44:18 PM
Last season we were a team going to places and keeping eight or nine men behind the ball at all times. Tonight we played against a team that in the second half deployed that very same tactic. This transition from being a side looking to clear the ball at every opportunity, to a side that has to break down defensive teams, cannot be one that we as fans should expect to happen overnight.

However, I do agree that we need to figure this out sooner rather than later; because at the moment we are stooping to the quite frankly awful levels of our opposition. Whilst I agree that tonight's performance was nowhere near what we have come to expect after a promising pre season, perhaps we should take a step back and consider that although we are one of the favourites in this league, it is in fact only the second game of the season.

very good point
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Post by: taxi Phil on August 16, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
Total lack of guile in midfield. Danylyk had one of his poorer games unfortunately, but I thought Summerskill played acceptably when he came on. Richman doesn't look good enough, but I'm not convinced he's fully fit.

Clee did tend to over elaborate tonight, but in his defence he quite often had nobody to pass to ! The guy who marked Twiss must have barely broken sweat, and Reeves was offside more often than not. At least Mulholland was pacy when he came on, and I think I'd gamble on starting with him next Saturday.

We looked good in the second half on Saturday, and moved the ball around well. Tonight that never happened.

I must say that Workington are a considerably better side than Harrogate, and will probably finish in the top half. But I don't see us going back up on the balance of our two performances so far I'm afraid.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: VofD on August 16, 2011, 10:50:44 PM
Another thing: why are we still having everyone back to defend corners in this tinpot league. Is this manager as clueless as his 2 predecessors.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: andrewflynn on August 16, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
Another thing: why are we still having everyone back to defend corners in this tinpot league. Is this manager as clueless as his 2 predecessors.

At the question and answer session he explained that his first priority is to remove any threat of conceding from the corner, rather than using it as a chance to counter attack.
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Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on August 16, 2011, 10:52:27 PM
Surely very harsh on Mckenna VofD!
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Knutsford Alty on August 16, 2011, 10:53:51 PM
in this tinpot league

Get used to it, two years at the least
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Post by: OldhamAlty on August 16, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
Last season we were a team going to places and keeping eight or nine men behind the ball at all times. Tonight we played against a team that in the second half deployed that very same tactic. This transition from being a side looking to clear the ball at every opportunity, to a side that has to break down defensive teams, cannot be one that we as fans should expect to happen overnight.

However, I do agree that we need to figure this out sooner rather than later; because at the moment we are stooping to the quite frankly awful levels of our opposition. Whilst I agree that tonight's performance was nowhere near what we have come to expect after a promising pre season, perhaps we should take a step back and consider that although we are one of the favourites in this league, it is in fact only the second game of the season.

Very much agreed, they came with the game plan to just be defensive and not let us play, and they were disciplined and organised and it worked. If we can't figure out how to combat this tactic we're absolutely screwed, the team let Workington stifle the talent gap.
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Post by: Jacko on August 16, 2011, 11:06:30 PM
A new approach my arse, there playing like they didn't have a pre season, no shape terrible slow overlap play trying to find two strikers without decent aerial ability, defenders clueless not happy
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Post by: markecky on August 16, 2011, 11:11:20 PM
We've played well at Harrogate and been very unlucky to lose.

Workington have done a job on us and stopped us playing and done it well.  A lot of players have had a poor game on the same day but at least we have a point from it.

Tonight was poor no doubt  but I'm half expecting the next post to call for a change of management.

Surely we can give it a few more games before we start the hysteria?

Workington were not the dog and duck..let's give them a little more credit.  They will be top half for sure.

Training session Thursday with a lot of work to do and onto Histon.
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Post by: ASMO on August 16, 2011, 11:13:36 PM
ffs 2 games into the season and all the bloody gloom merchants are out , Lee said it would take time to settle , so lets stop the stupidity now .
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Post by: Silkyman23 on August 16, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
If it makes you feel better, Macc beat Hereford 4-0 away a week after beating Hull 2-0 away to set up a trip to Bolton Wanderers?






No?






Oh,... sorry....  :P
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: markecky on August 16, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
It said on radio five that you took 42 to Hereford..you should ring them and put that right.
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Post by: Hamilton on August 16, 2011, 11:23:22 PM
Well done for beating the weakest team in Div 2.
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Post by: Uncle Globnasty on August 16, 2011, 11:24:57 PM
It's a milkman fishing and the bait is not even that appealing....come on, let's not bob his float
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Post by: ArmchairAlty on August 16, 2011, 11:28:40 PM

Surely we can give it a few more games before we start the hysteria?


This. It was crap but Saturday is a new day.
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Post by: bumble on August 16, 2011, 11:31:44 PM

Surely we can give it a few more games before we start the hysteria?


This. It was crap but Saturday is a new day.

And I'm on radio robins... 2 games 2 wins... Just saying
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Post by: Silkyman23 on August 16, 2011, 11:36:46 PM
It said on radio five that you took 42 to Hereford..you should ring them and put that right.

Saving our money for The Reebok.. But then we've been there before when we beat them 3-2 in 2000..

Just messing with you all.

I don't expect you to understand the League Cup..
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Post by: GolfRoader on August 17, 2011, 12:09:44 AM
we're TWO GAMES IN. I can't believe some of the comments on here tonight, have some patience.
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Post by: distancetraveller on August 17, 2011, 12:26:54 AM
My God it doesnt take long for some of you lot to start slagging people off does it..  David Birch returned to Moss Lane tonight, may I suggest some of you go and stand with him next Saturday your will enjoy each others company.

What the f**k does it matter what the manager wears ffs.. you moaned when Heathcote had a pop at officials and fans now Lee is getting it because he wears a bleeding suit.

Yes I agree it wasnt the best performance we have seen since the beginning of July but we are just two games in.

Until the team keep playing football (which they have shown us they are well capable of doing) and stop getting sucked into the Long ball game that both Harrogate and Workington adopt then we will indeed look out of shape and unimpressive .. They are performing like they dont believe that playing football on the ground will reap rewards - It will if you stick with it ..

Once we get used to playing in this league (probably two or three more games) I still reckon we will start getting the results we are capable of (then no bastard will give a toss if Lee turns up in a Gimp Suit).

Histon on Saturday and we go again

Onwards and Upwards.. 

Cmon ALty

B E L I E V E        FFS
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Post by: fuertes on August 17, 2011, 12:33:58 AM
My God it doesnt take long for some of you lot to start slagging people off does it..  David Birch returned to Moss Lane tonight, may I suggest some of you go and stand with him next Saturday your will enjoy each others company.

What the f**k does it matter what the manager wears ffs.. you moaned when Heathcote had a pop at officials and fans now Lee is getting it because he wears a bleeding suit.

Yes I agree it wasnt the best performance we have seen since the beginning of July but we are just two games in.

Until the team keep playing football (which they have shown us they are well capable of doing) and stop getting sucked into the Long ball game that both Harrogate and Workington adopt then we will indeed look out of shape and unimpressive .. They are performing like they dont believe that playing football on the ground will reap rewards - It will if you stick with it ..

Once we get used to playing in this league (probably two or three more games) I still reckon we will start getting the results we are capable of (then no bastard will give a toss if Lee turns up in a Gimp Suit).

Histon on Saturday and we go again

Onwards and Upwards.. 

Cmon ALty

B E L I E V E        FFS


Post of the thread.

We're two games into the season in a new league with 40 matches still to play. I knew this would happen. Bleating and moaning. Let's just see how things develop under the new man. And let's all make a mental note to give him AT LEAST a season and a half to get this right, irrespective of bad performances along the way.
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Post by: robininstockport on August 17, 2011, 12:44:27 AM
Why didn't Clee play a more central role like he did in the 2nd half on Saturday?

Mulholland looked like he'd cause problems, but came on 10 mins too late.
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Post by: ASMO on August 17, 2011, 12:46:55 AM
I exect these kind of remarks from Dave Birch , but not every one else , stop dissmembering the manager just yet
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Post by: Bob on August 17, 2011, 07:44:40 AM
We were very poor last night and came out of it with something. I can appreciate frustration among people but I just hope it doesn't descend into some panicky doom and gloom.

We are two games into the season, so we have to learn from what's gone wrong and build on what's gone right. There's time, I am confident we have the right management and we need to move on.

I suspect too that the more we class this league as "tinpot" the longer we'll be in it.
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Post by: Narcissist on August 17, 2011, 08:28:47 AM
I think last night was the tonic needed by the players, the fans and possibly the manager. Suprise suprise we wont p1ss this league.

If Densmore, Clee, Reeves, Twiss and Mullholland cant bag two goals a game between them more often than not as the season progresses then i'll eat my keyboard. We need a bit of time.

Ive said for months that top 5 would be a very good finish for us, it wont be easy. Why did any of us think it would be so much different to last time we were down here? If you think this is bad, wait til we get beat 2-0 at Vauxhall in front of 200 on a rainy Tuesday night.
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Post by: CB on August 17, 2011, 08:55:14 AM
Read people say that Workington played hoofball? I think you're confusing them with us. It was like the dark days of Robbie Williams. Workington played some good stuff on the floor, whilst every single ball we played by the defence was hooooooooooooooooooofed again and again. Are players really that thick? It's astounding.

I'm stunned how poor we were. Absolutely stunned.

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Post by: Hale Alty on August 17, 2011, 09:25:30 AM
Don't worry, we've got fellow Conference National big boys Histon on Saturday. It will be like Barcelona versus Real Madrid.
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Post by: KENNERLEY on August 17, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
THE WORD SUPPORTERS MEANS JUST THAT

SUPPORT THE TEAM -

Give them time to sort it out they don't need any more pressure from the fans.
Monday night I watched Aguero -  Tuesday night Clee - Nicky needs reminding he can use his right foot as well.

Come on City       Come on Alty
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Post by: chesteralty on August 17, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
The other fancied teams in this league aren't exactly running away with it.
As long as we keep Boston and Halifax in our sights, we'll have a chance.
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Post by: Toff Apple on August 17, 2011, 10:34:34 AM
Perhaps last night  was a reaction to saturday by a defense lacking a bit of confidence
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Post by: RocketDan on August 17, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
We played very well in pre-season, particularly against barrow and Trafford. We also played very well for 60 minutes against Harrogate and would have won if it wasn't for two soft penalties and some last ditch heroics from their keeper and defence.

The most pleasing aspect in these games was the fact we got our key creative players (Clee and Densmore) on the ball early and played fast, free flowing attacking football on the ground. The pitch looked immaculate last night at it was a shame that at times we resorted to hoof football rather that playing controlled passing on the deck.

That said I appreciate certain members of the squad are still trying to blend in and i am happy to put last night down to a blip and they are bound to happen throughout the season.

Let's play Histon off the park on Saturday, smash them 3-0 and everyone will forget about last nights poor display
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Post by: PukkaPieman on August 17, 2011, 11:10:48 AM
Lets not get to carried away, it's early days yet with this new team and management. No team become world beaters overnight and maybe the positive aspects of the performance at Harrogate maybe got many of us getting a bit carried away. This league was always going to be tough. We all knew that and most said so before the season started.

I want to see the team develope and progress to a point where we can confidently hold our own if/when we went back up. That may take two seasons to do, who knows?

Reality check time. Be patient, let's see how the players react on Saturday.
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Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on August 17, 2011, 12:30:50 PM
IMO we have got the players to do very well but the system isn't right. Why the hell were we lumping it upfield the whole first half? It clearly wasn't working and whenever Clee got the ball we made significant progress up field. When the team get more used to each other I reckon they'll play better and be a bit more fluid. Not convinced by our defence yet, especially Flynn. On Saturday I'd like to see Mullholland for Reeves (who was poor all last night) and Lees in for Flynn.
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Post by: jimmyhank on August 17, 2011, 03:18:08 PM
Admittedly, not a great performance last night but it's only a matter of time before we click and start racking up the points.
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Post by: steal atly on August 17, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
Im a die-hard Alty fan and a pal of new striker Astley Mullholland only gotta b a matter so time b4 hes startin and scorin i wanna hear all the Robins singin this on saturday..........Astleyyyyyyyy where ever u maybe.....He plays 4 the famous Altyyyyyyyyy.....Hes very small but very sharp....U shud play frm the start.........!!!!
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Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on August 17, 2011, 04:17:50 PM
Im a die-hard Alty fan and a pal of new striker Astley Mullholland only gotta b a matter so time b4 hes startin and scorin i wanna hear all the Robins singin this on saturday..........Astleyyyyyyyy where ever u maybe.....He plays 4 the famous Altyyyyyyyyy.....Hes very small but very sharp....U shud play frm the start.........!!!!

Christ!
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Post by: Robin Reliant on August 17, 2011, 05:09:38 PM
Lets not get to carried away, it's early days yet with this new team and management. No team become world beaters overnight and maybe the positive aspects of the performance at Harrogate maybe got many of us getting a bit carried away. This league was always going to be tough. We all knew that and most said so before the season started.

I want to see the team develope and progress to a point where we can confidently hold our own if/when we went back up. That may take two seasons to do, who knows?

Reality check time. Be patient, let's see how the players react on Saturday.

YES YES YES   We are Supporters, so lets support the team and the manager. It sounded dire on Radio Robins last night,but we are bound to have games when things go wrong.
It will only take a couple of wins, and confidence will be up there again. If all the chances at Harrogate had gone in,we wouldn't be having this thread.
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Post by: AltySi on August 17, 2011, 05:19:10 PM
As sh*t as last night was, we have to give the manager a chance.

Even if we only finish mid tabel this year, we need to stick by him, and give him chance to build a team to get up.

We can't panic too much after too games. We've hardly lost both games 3-0.
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Post by: Uncle Globnasty on August 17, 2011, 08:36:25 PM
It's almost like some people don't remember the last time we were down here.....just like some of the pre-season hype was way off the scale, so too is some of the doom and gloom in this thread AFTER ONE BAD PERFORMANCE. I think we should start selling knee restraints in the club shop...there's a whole lotta jerkin goin on
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Post by: BENNY20TENNIS on August 17, 2011, 09:27:02 PM
Mulholland should have come on at Harrogate when we were battering them. He did n't even get 5 minutes

Then last night came on way too late

Managerial tactics and decisions

Wasn't Sinnott employed due to his enthusiasm?

He hides it well

Watch this space, he will resign.................
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Post by: markecky on August 17, 2011, 09:30:59 PM
Mulholland should have come on at Harrogate when we were battering them. He did n't even get 5 minutes

Then last night came on way too late

Managerial tactics and decisions

Wasn't Sinnott employed due to his enthusiasm?

He hides it well

Watch this space, he will resign.................

This is getting beyond belief
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Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on August 17, 2011, 09:33:13 PM
Welcome to the new "Portchat"
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Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on August 17, 2011, 09:56:59 PM
My view on Astley is as follows

He terrorised Trafford who are a team from a similar level to that at which he scored for fun last season (i.e. two levels below where we are now)

He was ineffective against Stockport, a team one level up from us. By the time he'd collected the ball and decided what to do with it he'd been closed down and/or dispossessed.

He will be, at least at the start, a fairly useful impact player, brought on against tiring defences WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO DO SO. It wont be every game and he has a lot to learn.

What would peoples responses to him be if he started games and was totally dominated by opposition defenders, gave the ball away all the time etc. He'd get crucified on here and what good would that do.

A number of people have posted "In Lee We Trust" - Please do so!
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Post by: bighairedmike on August 17, 2011, 10:08:45 PM
My view on Astley is as follows

He terrorised Trafford who are a team from a similar level to that at which he scored for fun last season (i.e. two levels below where we are now)

He was ineffective against Stockport, a team one level up from us. By the time he'd collected the ball and decided what to do with it he'd been closed down and/or dispossessed.

He will be, at least at the start, a fairly useful impact player, brought on against tiring defences WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO DO SO. It wont be every game and he has a lot to learn.

What would peoples responses to him be if he started games and was totally dominated by opposition defenders, gave the ball away all the time etc. He'd get crucified on here and what good would that do.

A number of people have posted "In Lee We Trust" - Please do so!

Jesus Phil! I don't normally see eye to eye with you on many of your posts but thats two tonight where we are completely on the same wavelength. Great post, the point about the difference between Stockport and Trafford is one that I made to friends at the Stockport game. I also thought his first touch was very weak against County.

As you rightly say it's a big step up for him and good luck to him. Remember Anthony Danylyk stepped up two or three levels and took a few games to get used to the level but was an ever present (apart from his 2 red cards if i remember correctly) after that.

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Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on August 17, 2011, 10:14:07 PM
Yes/ that's right. He's not physical and is much more effective as an impact sub. Why would you bother subbing one of the strikers when they were playing excellently on Saturday and only didn't score through some ridiculous defending that you'd see once in a hundred games...he is not even that good ffs he would have been dominated by the big defenders.
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Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on August 17, 2011, 10:16:45 PM
I still think Astley could be one for the future. If he's prepared to be patient and wait for his chances he could become a really good player.

I was encouraged to hear that his pace was quite effective during his brief appearance last night.
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Post by: wayno on August 17, 2011, 10:35:49 PM
Mulholland should have come on at Harrogate when we were battering them. He did n't even get 5 minutes

Then last night came on way too late

Managerial tactics and decisions

Wasn't Sinnott employed due to his enthusiasm?

He hides it well

Watch this space, he will resign.................

This is getting beyond belief

Speechless ! This is crazy up the reds ! We can do this :)
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Jacko on August 18, 2011, 12:20:10 AM
Could twiss have scored as many goals as mullholland last season even with the drop of 2 leagues?

imo no where near,  our problem is twiss is the past and is on the pitch and mullholland is the future but is on the bench, u could put a bloody centre back up front to do twiss,s hold up job for christ sake its basic
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: fuertes on August 18, 2011, 12:38:48 AM
Mulholland should have come on at Harrogate when we were battering them. He did n't even get 5 minutes

Then last night came on way too late

Managerial tactics and decisions

Wasn't Sinnott employed due to his enthusiasm?

He hides it well

Watch this space, he will resign.................

Absolutely superb stuff.

That sign-off is the best. I'm sure it's standard practice to take up a job in Altrincham when you live in Hull if you're the type to throw the towel in after a few dodgy performances  ::)

The bottom line is people were far too bullish preseason and are far too negative now. I said at the start of the season that I thought we'd be around the playoff hunt and that I'd gladly take fifth if offered it now. I also said it's quite conceivable that we'd miss out this year, as Sinnott has a big rebuilding job and it doesn't happen overnight. If this is what happens, then we should still support the manager.

And can people stop referring to "this tin-pot league". The most annoying thing is plenty of the people doing it were getting sanctimonious about the likes of Luton and Oxford's "tin-pot league" and "should be beating..." comments. Exasperating. I never knew we were so fickle.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: distancetraveller on August 18, 2011, 08:59:38 AM
Mulholland should have come on at Harrogate when we were battering them. He did n't even get 5 minutes

Then last night came on way too late

Managerial tactics and decisions

Wasn't Sinnott employed due to his enthusiasm?

He hides it well

Watch this space, he will resign.................

Absolutely superb stuff.

That sign-off is the best. I'm sure it's standard practice to take up a job in Altrincham when you live in Hull if you're the type to throw the towel in after a few dodgy performances  ::)

The bottom line is people were far too bullish preseason and are far too negative now. I said at the start of the season that I thought we'd be around the playoff hunt and that I'd gladly take fifth if offered it now. I also said it's quite conceivable that we'd miss out this year, as Sinnott has a big rebuilding job and it doesn't happen overnight. If this is what happens, then we should still support the manager.

And can people stop referring to "this tin-pot league". The most annoying thing is plenty of the people doing it were getting sanctimonious about the likes of Luton and Oxford's "tin-pot league" and "should be beating..." comments. Exasperating. I never knew we were so fickle.


That is a requirement of being a footy fan the world over
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: brian1925 on August 18, 2011, 10:55:38 AM
Agree with the consensus - far too much negativity creeping in from some (including my dad and brother, whom I could no longer bare after 45 minutes!)
It may seem odd to those who witnessed Tuesdays match, but we are still a very competitive team in this league. There are a couple of things to iron out before we can finally get going though.
Firstly, Robbie Lawton is not a full back. I love Robbie, but he will get skinned more often than not by a nippy winger. Densmore is our right back.
Secondly, I'd spend Thursday evenings training session asking all the lads to pump high balls into the area, so Jonesy and Flynny can practise heading the ball away from the goal, rather than straight up!
Thirdly, if we are really not going to get a much-needed partner for Reevsey, I'd certainly start with Astley instead of Twiss against Histon. Not that Twiss has done anything wrong, he just doesn't look like he can score too many, whereas with Astley you just never know...
Lastly, is Stevie Connors still out of work? If so (on a short-term contract) he may be able to provide the vital link between midfield and attack which is clearly lacking and leading to very good players playing hoof ball.
We are close, but it just needs a bit of tweeking and i for one am still sure we'll win the league.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on August 18, 2011, 11:53:18 AM
Watch this space, he will resign.................

As if to prove my point....please get this man one of those restraints I mentioned. I fear he's in danger of dislocating his knee.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on August 18, 2011, 11:55:51 AM
That sign-off is the best. I'm sure it's standard practice to take up a job in Altrincham when you live in Hull if you're the type to throw the towel in after a few dodgy performances  ::)

The bottom line is people were far too bullish preseason and are far too negative now. I said at the start of the season that I thought we'd be around the playoff hunt and that I'd gladly take fifth if offered it now. I also said it's quite conceivable that we'd miss out this year, as Sinnott has a big rebuilding job and it doesn't happen overnight. If this is what happens, then we should still support the manager.

And can people stop referring to "this tin-pot league". The most annoying thing is plenty of the people doing it were getting sanctimonious about the likes of Luton and Oxford's "tin-pot league" and "should be beating..." comments. Exasperating. I never knew we were so fickle.

Spot on and not a cock-horse in sight...have a G
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: fuertes on August 18, 2011, 03:41:55 PM
Spot on and not a cock-horse in sight...have a G

Haha!
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: finnquark on August 18, 2011, 04:46:45 PM
Agree with the consensus - far too much negativity creeping in from some (including my dad and brother, whom I could no longer bare after 45 minutes!)
It may seem odd to those who witnessed Tuesdays match, but we are still a very competitive team in this league. There are a couple of things to iron out before we can finally get going though.

Oh yeah? Well that's that sorted then. Thanks for the diagnosis. And no I'm not overly negative, I too don't think thinks are at all bad.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Eatmygoal on August 18, 2011, 05:27:10 PM
I was behind the goal when Reeves missed what should have been a brilliant goal, but he just put it into the keepers arms. I thought Summerskill showed moments of promise, but was barged off the ball too easily which suggests he's weak. Nicky Clee is brilliant and I'm confused as to why he chose not to shoot in the first half when he had a clear shot on goal, and I have to agree with earlier comments about the manager. I looked over at one point and thought he looked defeated.
I thought Twiss was better this game.
I just hope we can get something from the Histon game.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: joe on August 18, 2011, 05:33:34 PM
Could twiss have scored as many goals as mullholland last season even with the drop of 2 leagues?

imo no where near,  our problem is twiss is the past and is on the pitch and mullholland is the future but is on the bench, u could put a bloody centre back up front to do twiss,s hold up job for christ sake its basic



You really are clueless aren't you Jacko?! And for the record Astley played 5 leagues below Twiss last season.
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: Mick on August 18, 2011, 07:20:31 PM
For the record - record.........it was 4 leagues below
Title: Re: oh dear, oh dear!
Post by: joe on August 18, 2011, 07:35:27 PM
For the record - record.........it was 4 leagues below

Blue Square Prem
Blue Square North
Unibond Prem
Unibond 1
North West Counties 1

My mistake,i included the Blue Square Prem as a league below.