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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Red Black Red Black on July 16, 2011, 04:26:11 PM
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You fat waste of f**king space, you have clearly lost no weight, do us all a favour and f**k off
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Our highest paid player i am guessing
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was he really that bad ?
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I thought reports suggested he was playing well? Or did I miss the sarcasm?
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that is bang out of order. he was poor last season, massive dissapointment but that sort of abuse is not on.
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Wait till we hear a more measured summation from someone who was there today
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Unfortunately I was there today, twiss do the honourable thing and go, go now.
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Worked hard in the first half. Nearly scored and chased everything down.
Certainly no worse than anyone else and did five times more that reeves
Odd but predictable post
He is here for the season. Get used to it
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Difference of opinion there, but Ecky's does seem a far more measured response from someone who would definitely not describe himself as an apologist for Twiss. I think it's very difficult to appraise a player with fresh eyes when you hold a pre-existing and firmly engrained negative impression. He would have to do more than anyone else to get any recognition.
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I honestly watched him in the first half and thought "he looks okay. Maybe he is trying to show what he can do. for the new management." he certainly didn't show up as particularly bad or lazy.
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The fact that he's in the same physical condition as he was when he joined us last year proves his attitude.
Okay, so he ran around a bit and had one shot off target. Is that not the absolute minimum required off a forward?
I'm not as good a footballer as he is but if I was playing today I'm sure I would have run around and missed the target once.
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The fact that he's in the same physical condition as he was when he joined us last year proves his attitude.
Okay, so he ran around a bit and had one shot off target. Is that not the absolute minimum required off a forward?
I'm not as good a footballer as he is but if I was playing today I'm sure I would have run around and missed the target once.
Fair comment. I just didn't feel his performance warranted such vitriol. It was as if he sat on a deckchair holding a piņa coloda in one hand and his wages in the other wearing a "I'm here till May 2012" cap.
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If Twiss is still out of shape I feel certain this will be addressed by the manager. He's made it clear that there's no room for passengers and we've got to trust that he won't make any exceptions to this rule. It being pre-season he's got to look at all the players available to him and that includes Twiss. Come 13th August our best XI will be taking to the field, whether that includes Twiss or not.
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If Twiss is still out of shape I feel certain this will be addressed by the manager. He's made it clear that there's no room for passengers and we've got to trust that he won't make any exceptions to this rule. It being pre-season he's got to look at all the players available to him and that includes Twiss. Come 13th August our best XI will be taking to the field, whether that includes Twiss or not.
Awkward situation for Sinnott though, isn't it? What can he do? He only sees the man twice a week. If he goes for the "f**king sort yourself out Michael, or you won't be in the team" approach, I doubt Twiss will care. He's had his FL career. He didn't seem that excited by the prospect of playing for us in the Conference. I can't see how the Conference North will do the trick.
Can we really imagine the armround the shoulder approach working either? "Now Michael, we know you have phenomenal natural talent. I really want you to be a big part of this team. If you can get your fitness sorted out we'll achieve great things together". You'd like to think so, but I'm far from confident.
Obviously I didn't see the game today and I have never met either Twiss or Sinnott, so it's all specualtion. However, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we see anything other than Twiss as a perpetual substitute, about 15 lbs overweight, maybe notching 7 goals in all competitions this season before being released immediately.
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if we see anything other than Twiss as a perpetual substitute, about 15 lbs overweight, maybe notching 7 goals in all competitions this season before being released immediately.
I'm inclined to agree mate, but if we're able to sign another striker who starts every week and bags 20+ goals then I'll be delighted.
I don't know what approach LS will take but that's what he's paid for and I trust that he'll do everything in his power to try and get the best out of him. I don't expect miracles but Lee can only do his best.
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All that Twiss has to do is be an okay back up striker. Reeves and then Chadwick/Mullholland/Gall should do fine
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If Mulholland can come here and replicate what he did last season we've got some hot property on our hands.
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I don't think Twiss is massively overweight. He looks like a stick insect compared to the Fleetwood centre back pairing of McNulty and Greegan and I didn't notice any of our forwards getting much change out of them last season.
For me the inescapable fact is that his legs have gone. It happens to the best of players just look how Scholes suddenly aged towards the end of last season.
The crime is that I suspect his legs were gone before we signed him, witness his displays at Stalybridge.
As Ecky said we have him for the season so we may as well get off his back. I also agree he did more than Reeves today.
Whilst the defence is looking better we clearly have major problems up front.
Lets hope Lee can find a solution before Harrogate.
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I would also add that having watched the Burnley and City games only Chadwick has looked much better than Twiss.
Worrying isn't it.
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I think we'll learn more about our attacking prowess over the next few games. We shouldn't forget that we've played against two very good sides so far, probably of a far higher standard than we'll encounter throughout next season.
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I'm not worried at all. Our strikers have been playing against excellent defences in the last two games. Maybe worry if we struggle against Buxton. I reckon Lee has a good choice of triallist strikers to sign.
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Our forwards have been playing the likes of Onauha some premiership footballers dont get much change from players like that
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If he's lost any weight, it's from somewhere it doesn't show. However, he actually did reasonably well today in my book - and on what I've seen of Gall and Mulholland he'd be a better option than either.
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Harsh criticism, looked ok today certainly did more than Gall
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If Mulholland can come here and replicate what he did last season we've got some hot property on our hands.
He's not likely to replicate his NWCL form in BSN. He's no bigger than Chris Senior, and nowhere near as skilful.
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i thought twiss did ok today,held the ball up well,but when needed that little bit of pace which all strikers need he looked wanting.
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Did reeves score? Yes
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A penalty...
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Did reeves score? Yes
You teasing already lol
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I cant believe some of the abuse Alty players get from people who are supposed to be Alty fans. Especially Twiss who seems to be the target of abuse whenever he puts on an Alty shirt. Supporters are supposed to 'support' their team and players not direct mindless and foul abuse at them. Just don't get some people - but its a forum and everyone is entitled to an opinion - regardless of how bizarre it may be.
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I was there today and have to say that although his Body mass index is still the same as last season I have seen him play a lot worse than he did today.
Too early to start the "get rid" chants but time is not on your side Michael....
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I was there today and have to say that although his Body mass index is still the same as last season I have seen him play a lot worse than he did today.
Too early to start the "get rid" chants but time is not on your side Michael....
I agree, he did OK, looked a bit rusty some of his early touches but only to be expected. He did no worse than last year and with Lee playing him just behind the strikers later on he is obviously looking at ways of getting the best out of him. Give the lad a chance and get off his back. If after 2 or 3 games he hasnt done owt then,.... :P
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I always think that when Twissy plays then we dont see the best of Reevsie... Does anybody else get that impression?
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I always think that when Twissy plays then we dont see the best of Reevsie... Does anybody else get that impression?
me
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I was there today and have to say that although his Body mass index is still the same as last season I have seen him play a lot worse than he did today.
Too early to start the "get rid" chants but time is not on your side Michael....
i think after last season we have seen enoigh to make a fair judgment call
To gain any respect from me he needs to try this season
I can still see him now vividly out of his depth at the csc final just scary
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Sorry but he looked no different yesterday than he looked last season , but i agree we should wait and see how he performs when season starts
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I always think that when Twissy plays then we dont see the best of Reevsie... Does anybody else get that impression?
me
And me. I don't think they really work as a pair, which is going to be a problem if we don't sign another striker !
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For me twiss put the required effort in yesterday....even put in a few determined crunching tackles.....the sort of effort I'd say that we have always accepted from certain players to forgive their lack of ability.
It's very hard to judge how that effort will translate in terms of goals and assist for us in BSN as he and Reeves got very little change out of a very strong city defence.....if he'd shown that sort of determined effort last year he wouldn't have got so much stick.
Problem for me is given his two year contract, effort is not going to be enough, it has to translate into a meaningful contribution...we'll be able to judge better against Buxton.
He's here to stay and negative comments will serve no purpose other than to reduce his motivation and effort........I'd give him a few proper games in BSN to prove he can make a contribution with his new improved attitude....if he can then great he can redeem himself with a promotion contribution....if not then I think he should consider if it is really fair to take money off altrincham fc.
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It's an awefull situation, maybe because we arnt the type of fans to push a player out with abuse he is still here? Do people really believe he can be a force in the bsn now???Its not effort its the fact he is not physically capable of either making things happen or stopping the opposing players that worries me, let's hope lee can wave his magic wand and sort this problem out some how ???
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It's an awefull situation, maybe because we arnt the type of fans to push a player out with abuse he is still here? Do people really believe he can be a force in the bsn now???Its not effort its the fact he is not physically capable of either making things happen or stopping the opposing players that worries me, let's hope lee can wave his magic wand and sort this problem out some how ???
Lets be clear. From his point of view he is here because he has a contract on decent money and he intends to see it out.
I am putting my faith in Lee to get something out of him.
As I have said yesterday, I do believe he tried hard yesterday but I think we all knew he was never going to get any change from City.
I still harbour thoughts that if he got on a scoring run he could get a few goals.
I don't know Lee Sinnot but from what I have seen he is his own man and if Twiss is poor he won't play.
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who cares, whether we like it or not, he is here for the season.
for what it's worth i thought he gave a good account of himself against a tough opposition.
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I thought he did well yesterday and we struggled to keep the ball upfront once he went off.
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I thought he did well yesterday and we struggled to keep the ball upfront once he went off.
Agree, I was actually quite impressed with Twiss yesterday. He held his own against players who will be 3 or 4 times better than anything we'll be up against next season. Also seem to recall him having a few decent runs and had a very good effort on goal in the first half. An encouraging start in my opinion.
I'd also like to mention that Nicky Clee was fantastic in parts yesterday. Can't wait to see if he can replicate that when the season starts.
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I thought he did well yesterday and we struggled to keep the ball upfront once he went off.
Agree, I was actually quite impressed with Twiss yesterday. He held his own against players who will be 3 or 4 times better than anything we'll be up against next season. Also seem to recall him having a few decent runs and had a very good effort on goal in the first half. An encouraging start in my opinion.
I'd also like to mention that Nicky Clee was fantastic in parts yesterday. Can't wait to see if he can replicate that when the season starts.
I am a big fan of Clee- he looked good last year- he has the potential to be amazing this season
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For me Nicky Clee is worth the admission money alone...he was taking on the City players almost for a laugh yesterday.
He'll roast some portly fella from Soilhull Moors who is filling in at left back.
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For me Nicky Clee is worth the admission money alone...he was taking on the City players almost for a laugh yesterday.
He'll roast some portly fella from Soilhull Moors who is filling in at left back.
best left winger since showler hope hes on contract
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You would think with nicks job and semi pro football an cricket commitments it would have to take a massive offer from a big big club for him to go pro
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You would think with nicks job and semi pro football an cricket commitments it would have to take a massive offer from a big big club for him to go pro
lets hope so he can be quality at times
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For me Nicky Clee is worth the admission money alone...he was taking on the City players almost for a laugh yesterday.
He'll roast some portly fella from Soilhull Moors who is filling in at left back.
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Ive never played for Solihull motors ;)
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For me Nicky Clee is worth the admission money alone...he was taking on the City players almost for a laugh yesterday.
He'll roast some portly fella from Soilhull Moors who is filling in at left back.
best left winger since showler hope hes on contract
Chris Sharratt and Kevin Ellison may disagree...
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For me Nicky Clee is worth the admission money alone...he was taking on the City players almost for a laugh yesterday.
He'll roast some portly fella from Soilhull Moors who is filling in at left back.
Or even right back seems as though Nicky plays on the left...
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Couldn't believe my eyes when Nicky knocked it past Onuoha and beat him!
Going back to the original post of this thread, I hope you've had time to think about what you put because that couldn't be more undeserved. Twiss had a decent game yesterday. There's always a post or a topic containing a negative about Twiss on the first page of this forum, but then the same people are calling for improved performances? It was his first pre season game and people have begun to moan already... if he has been putting the effort in, God knows what he must be thinking if he reads some of the people on here.
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The fact that he hasn't lost any weight proves his attitude.
Defend him all you like, the guys takin the piss out of all of you.
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Couldn't believe my eyes when Nicky knocked it past Onuoha and beat him!
Going back to the original post of this thread, I hope you've had time to think about what you put because that couldn't be more undeserved. Twiss had a decent game yesterday. There's always a post or a topic containing a negative about Twiss on the first page of this forum, but then the same people are calling for improved performances? It was his first pre season game and people have begun to moan already... if he has been putting the effort in, God knows what he must be thinking if he reads some of the people on here.
This.
Twiss owes us a lot after last season and I've never been at the back of the queue to point that out but criticism for yesterday is mightily unwarranted. He put ina good sift and had a decent enough game. At times, me and a couple of pvers were laughing at why he was turning City players inside out on our right hand side.As to whether he has the pace or spark that he used to have, well that's neither ehre nor there. I don't think he has but that's not really his fault.
If you're having a go at him for not coming back into pre season looking fit. Well, that was last year you should've (and may have) had a go. As it is it was his first agme yesterday. No one is going to be flying. I actually think he looks like he's lost a couple of pounds to be fair just that he's not really the build for it to be too obvious he's just got wide hips, ok he's not going to give Karen Carpenter a run for her money but neither is he badly out of condition.
Overall, I just think one eyed vitriol is not going to do anyone any good and I'm someones who casts the most critical of eyes over Twiss. I still think if that's what you want to do then he will give you plenty of opportunity to do so over the season. However, yesterday and his current condition was not one of those.
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The fact that he hasn't lost any weight proves his attitude.
Defend him all you like, the guys takin the piss out of all of you.
If he plays well he can take the piss out of me all he likes, its the quality of the performance that matters and if he can pull it off whilst hugely overweight (which the reports seem to indicate he can) why should we care?
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Twiss is by no means hugely overweight. He looks about 14 stone.
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michael twiss is now about the weight nicky clee was when he arrived...
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First game of the year, second for many others, probably missed some training due to the family issues, he put in a good shift.
Personally I think the guy needs a lift not for us to knock him down.
I do firmly believe that he will be good this season in a league which probably now suites his pace a little more. Remember most footballers drop down the league pyramid as they get older and twiss will be no different to that.
He tried hard on Saturday and whilst he was poor (ok sh*te lol) last season, I think he will be out to prove himself this time around.
Good luck Twiss.
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I thought Twiss put in a decent shift on Saturday, but harking back to my first post on this thread I don't see him and Reeves as a striking partnership. We still need a "guaranteed" goal scorer (preferably with a physical presence) to operate with Reeves, and Twiss's best role is likely to be as an attacking link from midfield.
I was disappointed not to see Nick Chadwick again on Saturday, though he was named among the subs. Did a decent job against Burnley until he was subbed. Does he still have fitness problems do we know ? Because, if he does he may not be the answer unfortunately. Neither, I suspect, is Mulholland, simply because he'd get knocked around too easily by big horrible defenders (which is probably why the "bigger" clubs who've trialled him haven't taken him on).
This position is still Lee's remaining headache, because I STILL can't see a hatful of goals from our present squad. Mind you, a bonanza of 1-0 wins wouldn't be any bad thing !
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Nick Chadwick was not at the game as I believe his wife is due to give birth any minute and he was granted leave.
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This position is still Lee's remaining headache, because I STILL can't see a hatful of goals from our present squad.
This is an interesting point. I'm sure Lee has irons in the fire and have every confidence in him.
However, look at the forwards we had at our disposal last time we got promoted:
Colin Little
Rod Thornley
Marcus Hallows
What I'd give to have those three up front for us now!
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Nick Chadwick was not at the game as I believe his wife is due to give birth any minute and he was granted leave.
Out of order, a player should never be given time off due the birth of their child. What was Mr Sinnot thinking - Sinnot OUT.
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The fact that he hasn't lost any weight proves his attitude.
Defend him all you like, the guys takin the piss out of all of you.
If he plays well he can take the piss out of me all he likes, its the quality of the performance that matters and if he can pull it off whilst hugely overweight (which the reports seem to indicate he can) why should we care?
Point missed totally but I'm not surprised in the slightest.
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Nick Chadwick was not at the game as I believe his wife is due to give birth any minute and he was granted leave.
Out of order, a player should never be given time off due the birth of their child. What was Mr Sinnot thinking - Sinnot OUT.
Managers going on holiday, players getting paternity leave - whatever next. It's PC gone mad.
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If you listen to clubcall it sounds to me if the manager is keen to engage nick chadwick.Or that how it sounds to me.With a couple carrying knocks aswell,tomorrow would be ideal to see more of the trialists,so heres hoping its on
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This position is still Lee's remaining headache, because I STILL can't see a hatful of goals from our present squad.
This is an interesting point. I'm sure Lee has irons in the fire and have every confidence in him.
However, look at the forwards we had at our disposal last time we got promoted:
Colin Little
Rod Thornley
Marcus Hallows
What I'd give to have those three up front for us now!
bloody hell, that's a fantastic trio there. won't forget the game Marcus broke his leg.
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This position is still Lee's remaining headache, because I STILL can't see a hatful of goals from our present squad.
This is an interesting point. I'm sure Lee has irons in the fire and have every confidence in him.
However, look at the forwards we had at our disposal last time we got promoted:
Colin Little
Rod Thornley
Marcus Hallows
What I'd give to have those three up front for us now!
bloody hell, that's a fantastic trio there. won't forget the game Marcus broke his leg.
I'm sure that I saw Marcus Hallows in the Noel White Suite after last Saturday's game against Manchester City.
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I can confirm Elvis was in the building
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I believe Marcus had been to make a contribution to Mad Dog's Testimonial as he is unable to attend this Saturday.
Gary Talbot attended the Burnley fixture in identical circumstances and for the same reason
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For me Nicky Clee is worth the admission money alone...he was taking on the City players almost for a laugh yesterday.
He'll roast some portly fella from Soilhull Moors who is filling in at left back.
Or even right back seems as though Nicky plays on the left...
We've been through this before. Our left back runs at their right back because they are facing each other and as such they are opposites.
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Today I feel showed some more evidence of Twiss's improvement, and the change that is starting to take place since Lee Sinnott's arrival.
I thought Twiss had a good game today, not giving the ball away, and with some good touches combined with one lovely shot which the keeper saved well.
If this improvement continues which I think it will, he is going to become a big assett to this club finally.
I hope I am right, though I know he still has his doubters, keep up the good work, Michael.
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Once again today Michael Twiss looked a player prepared to fight for the cause.....in one instant chasing back from the half way line to tackle a player near his own corner flag.
While he puts in that commitment I refuse to criticise...his current attitude will inspire those around him and if one goal goes in off his backside he may go on a free scoring run.....
I'd actually put him in midfield myself as a physical presence supporting a front two of reeves and.....???
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He's playing a Johnson style hold up the ball game, most long balls were played up to him, who else can play that role?
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I also thought Twiss played well yesterday. He linked the play up well and forced some good saves from their keeper. Certainly a big improvement on last season.
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He's playing a Johnson style hold up the ball game, most long balls were played up to him, who else can play that role?
Reeves can do that and score goals, it was noted that twiss put in a shift yesterday though, looks like he's working hard so now people think he's a changed player, we will see
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As someone who has not watched Twiss for a while I would like to say that yesterday he looked good and did nothing wrong.
He wanted the ball always and held it up well. Made some good runs and looked fitter than I have seen him in the past.
I heard people heckling at the match and was half tempted to introduce Jay Gallagher to him so he could discuss what it was like to be blamed for everything.
I wish people could start a clean slate with him cos I believe, from what I saw yesterday that he IS trying and would be of benefit if the Conference North..
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He played better, but is a long way off earning the right to wear the shirt
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Thought it was his best perfomance for Alty
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Thought it was his best perfomance for Alty
Agreed
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He played better, but is a long way off earning the right to wear the shirt
If he was on trial today *which I bet he feels like he is every game at Alty now" then he would be a player I would want to look at again as easily did enough for a recall. That to me means that he did nothing wrong and with fresh eyes and new opinions should be given praise for his performance.
Don't get me wrong there have been players I have had little time for and I have slagged off but I have always been fair and praised said players if needs be. I am not saying Twiss reads the forum but if he did, with some of the things wrote even when he has tried then I would think "F you lot, I won't bother then"
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Agree entirely with Garys post. New start new season lets give him a chance and get behind him and then rest of the team.
Was not planning but now sorely tempted to go to the opener at Harrogate now!!
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He did very well.