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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on May 03, 2011, 02:25:29 PM
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Lets have it right,last time we were in this league we were running on a shoestring budget whilst paying money back,this time we will go in with a decent budget,even if it is much reduced from this years,halifax, southport,and two from telford nuneaton and boston are the only sides that should have a chance of sustained title challenge aside from ourselves,we need to start with confidence, talk up our chances and not play the martyrs at this level.
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Couldn't agree more, let's have it! Come on Alty
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The only problem with statements like this, as I alluded to in another thread, is that it doesn't half increase the pressure on the management team who may well be trying to focus on a long-term plan.
I don't want to think that there will be increasing pressure on Kenny if we're 10th at Christmas. I can see it now, comments about "going nowhere", "defeatist", etc.
I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth but we do have to be realisitic. It'll be a tough division next year and we'll be in transition. We must keep this in mind.
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OK we have been relegated but I am sure the majority of forumites would agree that if the team had applied themselves better in a number of games this season we would have escaped the drop with a reasonable degree of safety.
I for one do not agree that we have now become no hopers in the BSN and I think that Positive thoughts are the order of the day.
PS Pete dont change your unser name too often I have enough trouble working out who is who on here at the best of times ;)
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I really really wouldn't get too excited about anything until we know who the manager is and what the budget is.
It'sd true that we have underperformed on occasion this season and that fewer of those underperformances may have seen us safe but we will not have the same players next season (I would venture to suggest) nor the same budget.
Don't wanna appear a misery guts but it's a bit early yet for predictions of when we might return to BSBP
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there are reasons to be optimistic, that's how I feel about the BSN to be honest. No, i don't expect to bounce straight back up again but we will be back at BSP level.
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I really really wouldn't get too excited about anything until we know who the manager is and what the budget is.
It'sd true that we have underperformed on occasion this season and that fewer of those underperformances may have seen us safe but we will not have the same players next season (I would venture to suggest) nor the same budget.
Don't wanna appear a misery guts but it's a bit early yet for predictions of when we might return to BSBP
Exactly.
You beat me to it, Phil...!
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I can see the headlines already.... We really should be beating teams like this
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Lets have it right,last time we were in this league we were running on a shoestring budget whilst paying money back,this time we will go in with a decent budget,even if it is much reduced from this years,halifax, southport,and two from telford nuneaton and boston are the only sides that should have a chance of sustained title challenge aside from ourselves,we need to start with confidence, talk up our chances and not play the martyrs at this level.
Totally agree.
All we had to do was apply ourselves and FGR and we would have stayed up.
Long term or short term plan it MUST be get promoted, otherwise there is no point in going to watch the games, manage the team or bring in players.
If someone comes out and says we are playing for mid table then they need to ask themselves questions.
I am not saying it will be easy or we will get promoted, but we have to try.
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Totally agree.
All we had to do was apply ourselves and FGR and we would have stayed up.
Long term or short term plan it MUST be get promoted, otherwise there is no point in going to watch the games, manage the team or bring in players.
If someone comes out and says we are playing for mid table then they need to ask themselves questions.
I am not saying it will be easy or we will get promoted, but we have to try.
But it's not as simple as that, is it? Managers have been known to start breaking up title-winning sides, even when they might have one more league in them. It's because they can see blooding some new talent earlier will be more beneficial in the long-term. You could say to Kenny "do whatever it takes to give us a chance of promotion next season" and he'd act accordingly. You could also say "we think you're the man for the forseeable future - we want you, over the next three years, to build a really good side capable of achieving promotion by playing attractive football". If we go for the latter, that hardly means we needn't turn up in the meantime, even though it makes immediate promotion less probable.
Obviously all this is just opinion, but if we keep the bulk of this squad and hoof our way to fifth, before losing the playoffs, we really would have been better off telling Ken to take time to get the squad right for the long-term.
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Totally agree.
All we had to do was apply ourselves and FGR and we would have stayed up.
Long term or short term plan it MUST be get promoted, otherwise there is no point in going to watch the games, manage the team or bring in players.
If someone comes out and says we are playing for mid table then they need to ask themselves questions.
I am not saying it will be easy or we will get promoted, but we have to try.
But it's not as simple as that, is it? Managers have been known to start breaking up title-winning sides, even when they might have one more league in them. It's because they can see blooding some new talent earlier will be more beneficial in the long-term. You could say to Kenny "do whatever it takes to give us a chance of promotion next season" and he'd act accordingly. You could also say "we think you're the man for the forseeable future - we want you, over the next three years, to build a really good side capable of achieving promotion by playing attractive football". If we go for the latter, that hardly means we needn't turn up in the meantime, even though it makes immediate promotion less probable.
Obviously all this is just opinion, but if we keep the bulk of this squad and hoof our way to fifth, before losing the playoffs, we really would have been better off telling Ken to take time to get the squad right for the long-term.
Great post.
The best thing about last Saturday was that for half an hour the team were good to watch, it was actually fun to be at the match!
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In a twisted kind of way I'm looking forward to next season.
No more 5-4-1 formations or deliberately staying in our own half for 70 minutes. There should be no teams that we will be afraid of, should make for more exciting , watchable football. If Nicky and Chris Denham stay, there would be some serious attacking going on, something I have nearly forgotten after this season. Hopefully this might even result in us being successful and returning to the BSBP a reinvigorated, fearless side.
Bring it on!!
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In a twisted kind of way I'm looking forward to next season.
No more 5-4-1 formations or deliberately staying in our own half for 70 minutes. There should be no teams that we will be afraid of, should make for more exciting , watchable football. If Nicky and Chris Denham stay, there would be some serious attacking going on, something I have nearly forgotten after this season. Hopefully this might even result in us being successful and returning to the BSBP a reinvigorated, fearless side.
Bring it on!!
very much in agreement with this. How long could Alty FC keep pulling miracles out of the air for?
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It is unarguably preferable to spend as much as three seasons building a squad that can compete seriously at BSP level, than to go sh*t or bust for an immediate promotion, followed by another immediate relegation.
There are some decent teams up against us next season - the three play off losers, Southport, and AFC Halifax are obvious. Droylsden and Stalybridge will give it a go as well. And I'd remind you all that Blyth Spartans put us out of the Trophy, and weren't even in the running for promotion.
It is NOT going to be a cakewalk. It's a season of transition and retrenchment. And a run in either the FA Cup or the Trophy will never be more important, because the money it would bring in would enable us to strengthen for the more important second season.
Patience, ladies and gentlemen, is a virtue - and we'd better keep reminding ourselves of that fact as the season progresses.
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Will " be patient" replace believe?
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Ebbsfleet got relegated on the last day of last season,dusted themselves,went again,and are now 2up away from home at chelmsford in the bss playoffs.If we are saying thats a bridge too far then bloody hell,weve not gone out of business,weve been relegated and had to have a budget cut,our budget will still by decent by bsn standards,no wonder theres so much apathy these days,....15 of the sides in this league are sh*t,payton and o neil with every respect are stars of this league,liven up people
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Ebbsfleet got relegated on the last day of last season,dusted themselves,went again,and are now 2up away from home at chelmsford in the bss playoffs.If we are saying thats a bridge too far then bloody hell,weve not gone out of business,weve been relegated and had to have a budget cut,our budget will still by decent by bsn standards,no wonder theres so much apathy these days,....15 of the sides in this league are sh*t,payton and o neil with every respect are stars of this league,liven up people
If Ebbsfleet do go straight back up, do you think they'll be a major force ? Because I don't, and that's the point I'm making Pete.
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Probably not phil,but they will be dining at the top table,we will never be a force at that level until we are full time,but we must make returning a priority,stafford,lewes and st albans never bothered rushing to get back,and look where they are this season!!
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We need to hear positive vibes from the club re next season
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All I'm saying Pete is that we don't know what the Budget will be do we?
Would you say that if, for example we cut 30 to 40% off this seasons budget, that would be decent by BSN standards?
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All I'm saying Pete is that we don't know what the Budget will be do we?
Would you say that if, for example we cut 30 to 40% off this seasons budget, that would be decent by BSN standards?
Id heard it was 5O% Of this years
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The going rate in that league will be a damn site less than what weve been paying in recent seasons,we are central enough in the geographical layout of this league to attract players aswell
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and warren peyton gets the winner for guiseley tonight
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and warren peyton gets the winner for guiseley tonight
Nice one Warren !
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Exactly,without being arrogant or disrespectful,the conference north is such a moderate league,we must go out to try and win it,and make people know that is our aim.
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I am really amazed at the negativity on here about our chances next season.. NO bugger knows what the budget is likely to be except for Grahame Rowley and the board so lets stop the speculation.. NO bugger knows yet who will be playing for Alty next season I doubt anyone at the club can answer that one yet..
Until we here anything for Christ sake stay positive... I am pissed off enough about being fkn relegated without reading all the fkn doubters on here as well
Rant over
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You could say to Kenny "do whatever it takes to give us a chance of promotion next season" and he'd act accordingly. You could also say "we think you're the man for the forseeable future - we want you, over the next three years, to build a really good side capable of achieving promotion by playing attractive football". If we go for the latter, that hardly means we needn't turn up in the meantime, even though it makes immediate promotion less probable.
Obviously all this is just opinion, but if we keep the bulk of this squad and hoof our way to fifth, before losing the playoffs, we really would have been better off telling Ken to take time to get the squad right for the long-term.
Sorry, what is this nonsense! Building for the future is great, but our main priority should always be to achieve the highest possible league finish, right from the off.
If we are still in the Conference North after three years then what? We have wasted three years pursuing some vague fantasy of legacy building. A casing point here would be Arsenal, constantly building their team, never to achieve. I bet if you ask Arsenal fans what they want - an empty trophy cabinet but long term potential, or, short term success and trophies - they would take the trophies.
As for attractive football - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion, this is a results business and, as such, I'd take a team constantly grinding out boring 1-0 wins, over a flamboyant passing side drawing 4-4. Again, this is why Arsenal aren't winning the Premier League but Manchester United and Chelsea are.
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What's the point in developing young players? They leave for a bigger club if they are any good and we never get any money for them!
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This is what its going to be about for three months so let's get used to it!!! Negative/positive there's an argument for both attitudes when relegated so let the debate continue I say! Nothing else going on!!
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I am really amazed at the negativity on here about our chances next season.. NO bugger knows what the budget is likely to be except for Grahame Rowley and the board so lets stop the speculation.. NO bugger knows yet who will be playing for Alty next season I doubt anyone at the club can answer that one yet..
Until we here anything for Christ sake stay positive... I am pissed off enough about being fkn relegated without reading all the fkn doubters on here as well
Rant over
Sorry if you think I'm being negative Ray!
Much as I love a touch of optimism I'm really concerned that, if people go into next season thinking that we will get promoted with minimal inconvenience, and we don't quite make it, partly because of financial considerations, then there will be some very disenchanted people on here.
If (as I think as likely as me Reffing the 2012 FA Cup Final ) our budget remains the same or almost so, then I'll be a touch more gung-ho about things
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I am with Pete on this one, albeit I can see everyone's point as well which all have merits. There is nothing wrong with being over-optimistic, as long as this becomes a realisation if things start to go against the plan.
The target we should be aiming for is to achieve a play-off place at the first attempt, however we must also realise it is also time to consolidate after the recent struggles and build a team. If we fail this season, then so be it, but let's be positive from the off. Let's not be negative if we are mid table at Christmas either......look at the run FCUM put together
As others have said already, I want to enjoy coming to Moss Lane and watching football. Let's try and re-build some of the interest that has inevitably been lost by watching a losing home side each week.
Keep the faith
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If we keep are best players, Clee, Smithy, Densmore then we should piss this tin pot league, even Robbie Lawton will look good in this league thats how average it is.
We can make a realistic judgement of what we'll do when we see our squad.
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If we keep are best players, Clee, Smithy, Densmore then we should piss this tin pot league, even Robbie Lawton will look good in this league thats how average it is.
We can make a realistic judgement of what we'll do when we see our squad.
Yeh, the way he pissed all over the Blyth midfield demonstrates that....oh wait, hang on a sec...
Can only try to reiterate the point that neither I, nor the others who've made similar points, are being negative. Nobody is saying we're too small to compete or we should content ourselves with regional football. We're just making the point that this is a tricky league to get out of and that after a big struggle in the Conference, this might be a chance to take stock and improve the way we do things for the long-term.
I fully expect us to make it back to the Conference. I just don't think we should be making silly statements about going all out for the title.
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I understand the need for patience, but can our finances take 300-500 at home ? Get out and get promoted (easy to say I know), a winning team will bring the crowds back and atract players, lets be positive and not end up being a BSN team for decades. Up the Robins.
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Mid table would probably see us getting 500 play off position 800 plus I reckon
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I would like to see under 16s season tickets made available for £35 for a period of time,see if we can shift a few hundered of them,with a big song and dance about it in the press,it will keep them returning once theyve got the ticket,and more will be recouped through the snack bars etc they are the future,and such a scheme could see an extra couple of hundered on the gate next season
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I would like to see under 16s season tickets made available for £35 for a period of time,see if we can shift a few hundered of them,with a big song and dance about it in the press,it will keep them returning once theyve got the ticket,and more will be recouped through the snack bars etc they are the future,and such a scheme could see an extra couple of hundered on the gate next season
How about £40 but they get a scarf... Or some sort of season ticket/shirt deal?
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I would like to see under 16s season tickets made available for £35 for a period of time,see if we can shift a few hundered of them,with a big song and dance about it in the press,it will keep them returning once theyve got the ticket,and more will be recouped through the snack bars etc they are the future,and such a scheme could see an extra couple of hundered on the gate next season
That's a fantastic idea.
PS: I don't think we're ever going to get back to the prices when I had my first junior stand season ticket (2 guineas) which included a full programme of Manchester League games for the reserves! (sorry about the nostalgia kicking in ... it's a delayed reaction to the trauma of relegation) ::)
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Much as I love a touch of optimism I'm really concerned that, if people go into next season thinking that we will get promoted with minimal inconvenience, and we don't quite make it, partly because of financial considerations, then there will be some very disenchanted people on here.
Not looking at your quote in particular Phil but taking it more as a general viewpoint. Every Alty fan knows that you can't just walk the BSN and even the games against lower sides will be battles. But for God's sake, even at only 60% of this seasons budget we should be competing for the play offs, most of the league are also rans.
We must give the people of the town a reason to come. It's alright being martyrs in this league, hell it's tough, but if we go half hearted into the BSN saying we can't compete with Guiseley etc and the budgets cut then why on earth should anyone want to some and watch us. Attendances with some but not overly much away help stayed above 1000 in the worst season in living memory, 1600 people turned up to watch a shot for nothing on the last day. Why would any of them come back to watch a club that gives off a defeatist attitude? If we went down to the evo-stik would we be saying it would be a struggle to come back up because of falling gates and we'd be competing with fcum, northwich, chester and chorley?
What is wrong with saying we're aiming for promotion or at least the play offs but acknowledging that it won't be a cake walk? Some people on here saying it might bring pressure? Pressure? So wahat, are we that scared of getting a bit of criticism or having people taking pot shots at us. I'm not. We need to show some balls now people. We've criticised the team for having no bottle so we the fans and the board should lead by example. Some people might be happy to fade away into mid table obscurity and have an easy life but I'm not. No chance.
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Much as I love a touch of optimism I'm really concerned that, if people go into next season thinking that we will get promoted with minimal inconvenience, and we don't quite make it, partly because of financial considerations, then there will be some very disenchanted people on here.
Not looking at your quote in particular Phil but taking it more as a general viewpoint. Every Alty fan knows that you can't just walk the BSN and even the games against lower sides will be battles. But for God's sake, even at only 60% of this seasons budget we should be competing for the play offs, most of the league are also rans.
We must give the people of the town a reason to come. It's alright being martyrs in this league, hell it's tough, but if we go half hearted into the BSN saying we can't compete with Guiseley etc and the budgets cut then why on earth should anyone want to some and watch us. Attendances with some but not overly much away help stayed above 1000 in the worst season in living memory, 1600 people turned up to watch a shot for nothing on the last day. Why would any of them come back to watch a club that gives off a defeatist attitude? If we went down to the evo-stik would we be saying it would be a struggle to come back up because of falling gates and we'd be competing with fcum, northwich, chester and chorley?
What is wrong with saying we're aiming for promotion or at least the play offs but acknowledging that it won't be a cake walk? Some people on here saying it might bring pressure? Pressure? So wahat, are we that scared of getting a bit of criticism or having people taking pot shots at us. I'm not. We need to show some balls now people. We've criticised the team for having no bottle so we the fans and the board should lead by example. Some people might be happy to fade away into mid table obscurity and have an easy life but I'm not. No chance.
Good lad Ballers ... Thats the sort of stuff I want to read.....
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At last some common sense, well said Ballers ;D
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Spot on Ballers. Couldn't have put it better myself!
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As for attractive football - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion, this is a results business and, as such, I'd take a team constantly grinding out boring 1-0 wins, over a flamboyant passing side drawing 4-4. Again, this is why Arsenal aren't winning the Premier League but Manchester United and Chelsea are.
As Histon used to? I didn't hear anyone clammering for us to play that way then. Horses for courses.....but personally that particular donkey is not for me. Success at any price? It's all about opinions though and I'm certainly not saying you are wrong.
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Playing budget will be approx 50% of this seasons, believe it or not I heard this from a reliable source within the club hehehehe. But seriously I did.
Even so we should be aiming for a competing for the title or at least play off places.
If we try and dont make it then so be it, but we have to try.
Bring players through is a fail as they go to better things or dont develop anyway.
Ballers gets it right in his post.