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Title: Negativity
Post by: Butty on March 09, 2011, 04:52:16 PM
How negative are people on here? At a quick glance, threads such as 'I'd get rid of 90% of them' aren't going to give the players who may come on here the slightest glimmer of hope or confidence. I know last night wasn't great, but can we please stop swinging the moods every other match? We pick up points, great result and we're staying up, we lose, we're down.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: jim fallon on March 09, 2011, 05:08:36 PM
I have to agree  I can understand the frustration, however there are what 11 games left?

Is it really time to worry?
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Leon on March 09, 2011, 05:45:06 PM
Sometimes I think people on here make the mistake of thinking that the forum and the terraces are the same thing, ie that we should all get behind the team at all times, no matter what, because any negativity will transmit itself to the players. But a fans' forum is exactly what the name suggests: a place just for fans. If I were a player, I'd leave the forum well alone because there's always the danger with eavesdropping that you'll end up hearing something uncomplimentary about yourself.

I dislike people being negative on the terraces but I can't see the problem with it here. In fact what I value in forum posters is not partisanship but unvarnished honesty. And if that means being negative, so be it.

Is now the time to worry? I'd say so. I've been worried all season.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: markecky on March 09, 2011, 05:52:07 PM
Now is certainly the time to worry but now is not the time to announce that we are down and give up.

Emotions often run high after games and mobile phones give people the chance to say what they think quickly.

Everyone is entitled to their opnion just like everyone else can disagree with it.

I just feel they're aren't many of us and until its hopeless we must try and stay together and be as positive as we can be.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: jim fallon on March 09, 2011, 06:16:19 PM
Never said it would somehow magically travel into players heads, don't think thats the point it only a forum!

As ecky said its easy to get pissed off after traveling however many miles to Barrow and playing sh*t and feeling utterly rubbish!

Just need to try and keep the small amount of fans positive is all i'm thinking!

Worry last game of the season like we normally do eh! (i'm actually a negative bastard normally BTW give me a break)

Jim



Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: RockyRobin on March 09, 2011, 06:21:53 PM
Sometimes I think people on here make the mistake of thinking that the forum and the terraces are the same thing, ie that we should all get behind the team at all times, no matter what, because any negativity will transmit itself to the players. But a fans' forum is exactly what the name suggests: a place just for fans. If I were a player, I'd leave the forum well alone because there's always the danger with eavesdropping that you'll end up hearing something uncomplimentary about yourself.

I dislike people being negative on the terraces but I can't see the problem with it here. In fact what I value in forum posters is not partisanship but unvarnished honesty. And if that means being negative, so be it.

Is now the time to worry? I'd say so. I've been worried all season.

Here here
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Jimmy Hill on March 09, 2011, 06:39:35 PM
Sometimes I think people on here make the mistake of thinking that the forum and the terraces are the same thing, ie that we should all get behind the team at all times, no matter what, because any negativity will transmit itself to the players. But a fans' forum is exactly what the name suggests: a place just for fans. If I were a player, I'd leave the forum well alone because there's always the danger with eavesdropping that you'll end up hearing something uncomplimentary about yourself.

I dislike people being negative on the terraces but I can't see the problem with it here. In fact what I value in forum posters is not partisanship but unvarnished honesty. And if that means being negative, so be it.

Is now the time to worry? I'd say so. I've been worried all season.

Here here

It's actually 'hear, hear'.

In the House of Commons people would shout 'Hear him, hear him' when someone was making a particularly incisive point.

This has now been shortened to 'Hear hear'.

 :-*
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: markecky on March 09, 2011, 06:40:53 PM
Two right...
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: wayno on March 09, 2011, 07:38:10 PM
Lets hope the players stop playing negativeley then we may become positive
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: bigcol on March 09, 2011, 07:41:12 PM
There's so much to be negative about. Are alternatively, what is there to be positive about?
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Mick on March 09, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
Agree let's remain positive until it cannot be done.....but let's also be realistic - hopefully Ecky's prediction of 46 points is achieved and then we must hope it's enough
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Mick on March 09, 2011, 09:18:32 PM
By the way.....my worries started when we were completely outclassed by Nantwich with Kevin Street and some old geezer called Tinson showing us the way
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Butty on March 09, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
There's so much to be negative about. Are alternatively, what is there to be positive about?

There is a maximum of 33 points on offer- not saying we'll get quite that many, but all it takes is a deflected goal off someones arse and one dodgy decision to get the team back onto winning ways- we always have a run of results somewhere along the season and since it hasn't happened yet, time to be optimistic.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: AltyIan on March 09, 2011, 11:36:06 PM
I'm sorry but we can't pick up a point at barrow. We scrape a draw at home to Gateshead. People start telling us where the wins are gonna come from because I can't see any.



Prepared for the worst. Praying for the best.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: ASMO on March 10, 2011, 12:12:27 AM
I cant hear the fat lady singing yet , so untill i hear her im hopeful
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on March 10, 2011, 12:18:23 AM
Sometimes I think people on here make the mistake of thinking that the forum and the terraces are the same thing, ie that we should all get behind the team at all times, no matter what, because any negativity will transmit itself to the players. But a fans' forum is exactly what the name suggests: a place just for fans. If I were a player, I'd leave the forum well alone because there's always the danger with eavesdropping that you'll end up hearing something uncomplimentary about yourself.

I dislike people being negative on the terraces but I can't see the problem with it here. In fact what I value in forum posters is not partisanship but unvarnished honesty. And if that means being negative, so be it.

Is now the time to worry? I'd say so. I've been worried all season.

Excellent post.


Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: fuertes on March 10, 2011, 10:14:34 AM
The thing I feel negative about is that we have nothing up front and don't think we will be able to get anyone good enough in. There could be 40 more games in the season but with Twiss, Beesley and Reeves how many will we score?  :-\

Am I alone in thinking that the decision to release Dale Johnson is now looking more and more ludicrous?

I know his goals to game ratio was poor, but he did make space and create chances for people. I'd certainly feel happier going into the Newport game with Dale up top trying to hold the ball up and feed Reeves in than with Beesley jogging around doing very little...
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on March 10, 2011, 10:23:14 AM
I cant hear the fat lady singing yet , so untill i hear her im hopeful

She's too busy trying to digest the last pie, let's hope she chokes on it
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: gazwarrington on March 10, 2011, 10:27:41 AM
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Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: fuertes on March 10, 2011, 11:45:58 AM
I have to say I wasn't that bothered we he was released. But...

Now I would much rather have Johnson or even, dare I say it, Mccarthy than two of the useless lumps we have at present.

Perhaps this is crazy but could we play Baynes up front?

As part of a big man small man partnership I'm certain Baynes could be useful. As it is, I don't think it would work well with Reeves, Twiss is still embarrassing himself by lumbering around 15lb overweight, whilst Beesley is anonymous.

I still think we can survive, but I agree with you that something needs to change up front. I don't know whether we can beg for a FL striker on loan, or even to ask Greg or Robbie to play up front to win knocks-down. On quite a few occasions in recent years we've thrown Young, Williams or Shotton up front, and looked infinitely more dangerous as a result.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: bigcol on March 10, 2011, 11:49:37 AM


As part of a big man small man partnership 

What?  Play two up front?  How dare you curse on this forum ;)
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: (S)ALTY on March 10, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
I cant hear the fat lady singing yet , so untill i hear her im hopeful

She's too busy trying to digest the last pie, let's hope she chokes on it

She obviously wasn't at Barrow last Tuesday night then ?
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Jenga on March 10, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
Look at the teams around us and our results against them.

Look at how many times we say to ourselves "it was a one off bad performance".

I hope we stay up, I hope we battle hard, I hope we all (certainly I will) get behind the players every game.

However the simple truth of the matter is it is a one off when we play well, we don't do enough battling on the field and to be honest we are not good enough for this league.

We are poor, very poor, simple as that, like it or not but we are not good enough (with the exception of maybe two or three players) for this league.

Anyway.....

Here is hoping for a win on saturday and turn around in results so that we can stay up and rebuild for next season.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Jacko on March 10, 2011, 01:03:05 PM
I would actually go as far as saying that its a travesty that dale johnson was pushed out because of twiss being here, he would'nt of set the world alight i know but he had more spirit in his little finger and i reckon he would have scored more than 3 goals this season
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: taxi Phil on March 10, 2011, 01:15:21 PM
I would actually go as far as saying that its a travesty that dale johnson was pushed out because of twiss being here, he would'nt of set the world alight i know but he had more spirit in his little finger and i reckon he would have scored more than 3 goals this season
It wasn't the goals Dale scored, it was the ones he set up for others.

HOWEVER - Dale wasn't "pushed out". He ASKED to be released to go back to Hyde. Lack of ambition ? Possibly, but if he was out of his comfort zone in BSP I can understand it.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: JTH on March 10, 2011, 01:22:44 PM
Two right...
:D
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: Jacko on March 10, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
I would actually go as far as saying that its a travesty that dale johnson was pushed out because of twiss being here, he would'nt of set the world alight i know but he had more spirit in his little finger and i reckon he would have scored more than 3 goals this season
It wasn't the goals Dale scored, it was the ones he set up for others.

HOWEVER - Dale wasn't "pushed out". He ASKED to be released to go back to Hyde. Lack of ambition ? Possibly, but if he was out of his comfort zone in BSP I can understand it.
of course he was as he wasnt getting a chance becuase at the time the boss wouldnt drop golden bollox twiss on a contract
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: robininstockport on March 10, 2011, 06:12:06 PM
Two negatives make a positive if I remember rightly.

The team is poor, thats one negative.

We need a new shirt sponsper at the end of this season, thats another negative.

So added together we get a positive. I'm just not sure what it is.
Title: Re: Negativity
Post by: bumble on March 10, 2011, 06:17:45 PM
Two negatives make a positive if I remember rightly.

The team is poor, thats one negative.

We need a new shirt sponsper at the end of this season, thats another negative.

So added together we get a positive. I'm just not sure what it is.


that we stay up? :D