www.altyfans.co.uk
General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: ManagementGuru on January 25, 2007, 05:44:15 PM
-
It appears that in addition to being thrown out of the Trophy for playing an ineligible player (international clearance not received) that they may be docked the points they have earnt in the league whilst said player has turned out ("following the example set last season by Altrincham"). This could lead to a 19 point deduction.
Now if 18 points was wrong for us, then it's also wrong for AFC Wimbledon?
-
This also means that, if they do dock all those points, the FA have not learnt from the Alty situation. All those who said the rules regarding this needed changing...........and nowt happens.
Anyone surprised???
-
The "international" player had played for a Welsh team in the same league as AFC Dons
-
Had the Welsh team got clearance for him, or do they need international clearance to transfer from Wales to England - even if in the same league.
If that is the case - football is in trouble!
-
Now if 18 points was wrong for us, then it's also wrong for AFC Wimbledon?
NO ITS NOT.
We got docked the points and until the rules change everyone else should also (and I would be very annoyed if they didn't).
Sorry but thats the way it is. The rules SHOULD have been changed but were not so the FA have made a rod for their own back.
Rules are rules afterall as we were told and I'm afraid we were punished so everyone else must be until the silly rule is revised.
So if they have played an eligible player that had not been granted international clearance then the punishment should be the same as ours
-
Totally agree. Even crap rules have to be evenly enforced. Wouldn't it have to be changed at FIFA level though before the FA could do anything?
-
The player concerned was a retired player of a Welsh team (he is English) and joined AFC Dons to train and then played for them. Clerical error, no international clearance for an English player who transferred from a Welsh Club playing in an English league (Rymans, smae as AFC Wimbledon)
-
Been on the AFCW forum, the player Jermaine Darlington, had been at Cardiff City, who play in the English league! FFS, this stupid rule must be changed or at least made very difficult to break. I thought that on the back of our misfortune they were changing the player registration forms to ask if a player had "ever" played abroad?
Still can't consider wales as abroad though surely?
-
"no international clearance for an English player who transferred from a Welsh Club playing in an English league"
The law really is an ass!!!
-
its a joke, cardif play in an english league and they answer to the english fa in that respect. they play in the English FA cup against English sides, at least with us james played abroad!
-
Thing is under EEC law anybody from a member state is legally entitled to work in another member state. By my reckoning then there could not be a situation where clearance could be refused, so why ask for it ? Only reason I can think of is if there is a current ban from another federation?
-
That's one rule the FA need to look at straight away. Its just a pity - if predictable - that they did not do this when they had the chance.
Is Noel White still high up at the FA?
Does he have any contacts still at Alty?
-
its a joke, cardif play in an english league and they answer to the english fa in that respect. they play in the English FA cup against English sides, at least with us james played abroad!
Actually Cardiff are under the auspices of the Welsh FA yet play in the English league system, and this is essentially the problem.
If a player from a Welsh club appeals against a sending off for example the appeal will be handled by the Welsh FA rather than the English, in fact the Welsh FA have been known to be rather lenient with regard to punishing players playing for Welsh clubs in the English league system.
-
its a joke jimmy if that is the case get em in the welsh premier or do like the cricket and get the welsh fa in with the english one, although i know that would mean a wales and england team emalgamation, but hey would that be a bad thing, that bale is a tasty player and nevilles no spring chicken
-
Wales and England amalgamation! They'd need to segregate the "home" fans!
Seriously there should at least be a crossover on paperwork between Home Nations federations.
-
its a joke jimmy if that is the case get em in the welsh premier or do like the cricket and get the welsh fa in with the english one, although i know that would mean a wales and england team emalgamation, but hey would that be a bad thing, that bale is a tasty player and nevilles no spring chicken
& Giggsy would still be worth his place!
-
Wales is just a monir county anyway.
Can't understand why the 'r' gets added in county when Wales is talked about.
-
Now there's cheeky, boyo, isnit!
-
Hi I am an AFC Wimbledon fan.
How did your 18 point deduction come about, as far as I can tell Robinson played in 13 games and you won 5, drew 3, and lost 5 for a total of 18 points which is what you were deducted. You didn't have any "extra" points deducted did you?
I believe we will get 18 (by a strange coincidence) also deducted.
As to the rule itself obviously the rule is designed to stop cheating, but its a rule which is also catching out hardworking staff, for geniune errors. Nevertheless until they are changed we will just have to lose all our points.
-
This is terrible news for football. Why should a player, who has played in the same league require international clearance in the first place??
As we all know at alty the FA are really pathetic to acknowledge that a stupid rule exists, and not be bothered to change it. I feel extremely sorry for AFC wimbledon, as this will severely affect their promotion chances, but will not lead to relegation (as our case did).
When will the lovely guys as soho square realise that football exists lower than the premiership. After we were all informed that this rule was being looked at again, another team is affected by this laughable rule.
-
Hi I am an AFC Wimbledon fan.
How did your 18 point deduction come about, as far as I can tell Robinson played in 13 games and you won 5, drew 3, and lost 5 for a total of 18 points which is what you were deducted. You didn't have any "extra" points deducted did you?
I believe we will get 18 (by a strange coincidence) also deducted.
As to the rule itself obviously the rule is designed to stop cheating, but its a rule which is also catching out hardworking staff, for geniune errors. Nevertheless until they are changed we will just have to lose all our points.
You're exactly right in your assessment, we lost all the points won with Robinson in the team.
Obviously having been through exactly the same thing we have the greatest sympathy with you on this issue, the law as we know is an ass.
The FA could quite easily take a stand on the issue, however it suits them to have hard and fast rules that ensure that little thought is needed rather than having rules that investigate the situation and hand out a punishment that is proportional to the crime. Unfortunately the FA are a bunch of f**kwits who have very little interest in the welfare and spirit of the game.
I also maintain that the FA is at fault for allowing a player to compete in one of its leagues that they knew to be ineligible (at least they would have known if anyone at the FA knew their arse from their elbow).
-
A club genuinely tries to do things the right way and makes a genuine administrative error over the signing of a player.
A club runs itself to the brink of bankruptcy, knowingly spending money it never has. It then tries to wriggle out its problems by going into administration, slashing its debts at a stroke leaving creditors out of pocket.
Which club will get docked 10 points? Which club will get docked nearly 20?
???
-
A club genuinely tries to do things the right way and makes a genuine administrative error over the signing of a player.
A club runs itself to the brink of bankruptcy, knowingly spending money it never has. It then tries to wriggle out its problems by going into administration, slashing its debts at a stroke leaving creditors out of pocket.
Which club will get docked 10 points? Which club will get docked nearly 20?
???
which one is nearer to being a law breaking act? if you run a club with massive overheads then go into administration leaving creditors out of pocket that is surely theft as much as anything. the rules are a f**king joke
-
at least with us james played abroad! ,
yes but the point was we got him from an ENGLISH club so hardly expected international clearance. But thats old news now.
Its a total farce and one that could have been avoided with common sense after last season.
I feel sorry for the AFC Wimbledon fans \ board \ officials but I'm sorry I can't see what else can happen, especially after the crap we got put through.
-
Whats more annoying, is the fact this wasn't actually picked up until Jermaine Darlington got a yellow card.
Daft really. Just remember to tell any new signings you have to get a booking in the first game for the club, then and only then will the FA actually check international clearance it seems.
-
A club genuinely tries to do things the right way and makes a genuine administrative error over the signing of a player.
A club runs itself to the brink of bankruptcy, knowingly spending money it never has. It then tries to wriggle out its problems by going into administration, slashing its debts at a stroke leaving creditors out of pocket.
Which club will get docked 10 points? Which club will get docked nearly 20?
???
which one is nearer to being a law breaking act? if you run a club with massive overheads then go into administration leaving creditors out of pocket that is surely theft as much as anything. the rules are a f**king joke
Quite agree - one act a simple human error, the other purpoosefully deceiving, cheating, robbing!
The FA say ir was unfair Alty were severely punished, but it was the rules: and what do they do about it? Bugger all!
It may be a joke, but only certain people/teams are laughing!
Not Alty or AFC Wimbledon - I wish them luck.