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Things needed to be shook up....fair play to GH for taking the decision to do it.
For me Dale showed flashes of brilliance and when it suited him was strong on the ball and good to watch.
Sadly we didnt see that often enough. And in this league, you can't have players that do that if you want to survive.
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I'm not exactly surprised - when I saw that he wasn't in the 16 on Monday afternoon the thought did cross my mind that he could be on the way. What slightly perturbs me is the pretty clear inference that others may follow. As I understand it we can only acquire players who are free agents as of now; and players on loan from next week. How many departures does the management envisage, I wonder? Shame I can't be there tomorrow night to ask that question.
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I can't believe this. I'll give GH the benefit of the doubt since I think he's earned it, but having been one of many who said for the entire second half of last season "if it was Dale in this side instead of McAliskey we'd be picking up more points", I'm very surprised we've released him. Very surprised.
Looks like GH really rates McCarthy if he's willing to let go of our only other forward with a bit of physicality.
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Shocked. Although I've never been the biggest fan of Dale it was obvious he had talent and when on form could deliver. He was the only striker our long balls have ever really worked with, via physicality.. I hope GH knows what he's doing with this decision, cause I don't have a clue..
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This may or may not be the correct decision. But it makes me very sad.
We all know that he didn't score enough goals in the time he was with us but he was one of few Alty players in recent years that have made me think, from time to time, 'I bet the other lot wish he was playing for them'. At his best, he was a glorious player to watch and I will miss the hope of seeing more of that from him.
Good luck to Dale. I'd love to think he'll fulfil his considerable potential in the years to come.
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Good luck Dale
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Quite surprised by this, but obviously a shake up is needed and GH cannot afford to wait around for players who are hit and miss.
I wish Dale all the best wherever he goes.
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Lets hope we can jettison as many as possible and get some of the decent players that are still free agents out there onboard.There can be no room for sentiment,anyone who saw the games against southport york and mansfield could see that we simply arent good enough,and will get relegated if we dont make changes sooner rather than later.Good bye and good luck to dale but we need to change things quickly,and id bin anyone else not on contract aswell
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One thing I will say is that I heard a piece on BBC Radio today saying there are a record number of professional footballers without a club. Just as a couple of random examples, Barry Hayles and Jay DeMerit (who's just played in a World Cup) haven't been picked up yet.
If there are a couple of L2 standard players who haven't been signed up perhaps we can get ourselves a couple of good signings?
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As someone said in another topic the reason we did so well last year was because we put it in for the full 90 minutes, it's all good bringing in League Two standard players but we need to get some sort of core into our squad again and start playing as a unit; something we're evidently lacking at present.
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Credit where it's due, GH is acting decisively to try and arrest the current abysmal run of form.
Only time will tell what happens, but at least he's trying his best to get us back on track. Difficult decisions are being made at present and it takes balls to do that.
Let's see what happens.......
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shocked, just shocked :O
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I am also shocked at the departure of Dale and agree with others that his consistency (NOT Committment) was questionable even prior to his injury.
I wasnt aware that clubs could still sign players who havent got a club after the deadline..
I also think that GH is shrewd enough to have somebody in mind to replace Dale, otherwise why let him go if you have nobody to replace him with especially as the season has barely got under way.
Interesting next couple of weeks at Altrincham FC both on and off the pitch..
Just as a matter of interest. Is there a website that any of you knowledgable folks are aware of that list the "Out of Work" players
Cmon Alty
Edited to say.... Best wishes Dale whoever you sign for......
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My own personal opinion is that I think Dale should have been given this season to prove himself. I'm wondering if theres something else such as himself not being able to get fully fit which perhaps had GH mindset.
I know people say he didn't score enough, but for me Dale was a forward and NOT a striker, he did, on occasions do so much, and on others scored some great goals - the one at York probably stands out.
He looked well off the pace at Southport.
Just one more point, the transfer window is now closed and we are not able to 'sign' anyone, so what harm would it have done to keep him on the payroll ? Unless, of course the fitness and maybe the club he's signing for have had a bearing on the situation. Maybe a few questions will get asked tomorrow at the Fans Forum and will be posted.
Good luck anyway Dale
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My own personal opinion is that I think Dale should have been given this season to prove himself.
I think in this respect he was a luxury we couldn't afford. If we'd given him a season to get himself right at the expense of another player who might come in and score more goals, it could have meant us going down rather than staying up.
I liked Dale a lot and wish him every success. However, if this helps us to turn things around it will have been totally worthwhile.
Only time will tell.
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You can sign loan players or free agents, although to sign either we would have to have the wages available...hence why people will have to go before people come in.
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You can sign loan players or free agents, although to sign either we would have to have the wages available...hence why people will have to go before people come in.
That's what i'm getting at. We can't actually sign anyone until January (?) But free agents and loans we can, so after releasing Dale I would now expect to see this happen, otherwise my other point in that giving him until the end of the season as him being on payroll would have made no difference.
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You can still sign free agents, of which there are many,who will be desperately still looking for a club
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I am very surprised - what I saw of Dale I rated him. I wonder if his fitness was part of the decision.
Good luck Dale, all the best.
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I'm not exactly surprised - when I saw that he wasn't in the 16 on Monday afternoon the thought did cross my mind that he could be on the way. What slightly perturbs me is the pretty clear inference that others may follow. As I understand it we can only acquire players who are free agents as of now; and players on loan from next week. How many departures does the management envisage, I wonder? Shame I can't be there tomorrow night to ask that question.
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Am I right in thinking that the Forum starts at 7-00 tomorrow? I am eager to be there but It will be difficult for me to get there by that time.....
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8 o'clock start tomorrow..
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I am also shocked at the departure of Dale and agree with others that his consistency (NOT Committment) was questionable even prior to his injury.
I wasnt aware that clubs could still sign players who havent got a club after the deadline..
I also think that GH is shrewd enough to have somebody in mind to replace Dale, otherwise why let him go if you have nobody to replace him with especially as the season has barely got under way.
Interesting next couple of weeks at Altrincham FC both on and off the pitch..
Just as a matter of interest. Is there a website that any of you knowledgable folks are aware of that list the "Out of Work" players
Cmon Alty
Try this link:
http://www.givemefootball.com/pfa-transfer-list
Edited to say.... Best wishes Dale whoever you sign for......
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I'm guessing there is someone lined up to replace him?
If not, we are preparing for life in the conference north a bit too soon.
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Mcarthy will have come in to replace him,removing dale from the wage bill will give scope to strengthen/make changes where needed
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Graham has signed what I feel may be a good player in James McCarthy, ex Crewe and the like. I suspect he may have been up to budget, and had to release a player to bring the books back in line.
Potentially Jimmy Mack looked what we are currently missing, hence it being more than a like for like replacement. After seeing Jimmy Mack play on Monday it may prove to be a good decision. Time will tell but he looked very good
No disrespect to Dale as I also liked him, but this is to improve the team and put the ball in the net on a more regular basis. Grahams gamble may be worth taking in this case - see what happens but GH has to act while he can due to transfer windows etc.
Give Matt time to get back in the swing of things again, after he had waited in the wings. Jimmy Mack and Chris Denham in front of Matt Crowell could be mouthwatering prospects.
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I'm bitterly disappointed that Dale has gone. I've never considered him as a prolific scorer - but I cannot honestly remember when we last had a player who was so good at controlling a ball with his back to goal, then beating his defender to lay it off.
Those of us who saw the pre-season friendly against United Reserves will remember that he caused Craig Cathcart plenty of problems - and Cathcart is now playing Premier League at Blackpool !
I'm horribly afraid that this decision will come back to bite us in the arse in the not-too-distant future, when he turns up at Moss Lane with his new team and dominates the game.
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Just Welsh and Twiss to go then.
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Just Welsh and Twiss to go then.
Welch has only just come back and Twiss is one a 2 year contract - I doubt either will be going very far.
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I'm guessing there is someone lined up to replace him?
If not, we are preparing for life in the conference north a bit too soon.
With respect, as good as Dale's hold up play can be, releasing a striker who has scored 7 goals in 70 appearnace sis hardly throwing the towel in.
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I'm horribly afraid that this decision will come back to bite us in the arse in the not-too-distant future, when he turns up at Moss Lane with his new team and dominates the game.
He's joing a Blue Square North club apparently so hopefully we won't be opposing him too soon.
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and a circular has been sent around to say other players are available.
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You can sign loan players or free agents, although to sign either we would have to have the wages available...hence why people will have to go before people come in.
I believe however that free agents have to be offered a contract of at least 12 months but I may be wrong
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so dale is probably off back to Hyde
United FC (Elite Squad). good luck too him.
although many people around me would have what clarkson calls a "crisis" everytime he got the ball and beat a man i was never too taken by him, just personal opinion but to me he was a great sauce of frustration in that he would show a supurb touch or a nice bit of skill but they would be too few and far between... the abiding memory will be thew goal away at york. but for me Dale was just a stronger Joe O'neill (who scored less goals, but was never slated the way joe was despite this fact never understood how a bit of a flick could sway opinion)
hopefully this is the start of a re-building phase that will see us become a stronger all round squad. IN GH I TRUST (god help me)
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Im quite shocked by Dale leaving. The guy has come back from a horrible injury and possibly needs a bit of time to get back in the rhythm.
We all know he's a bit of a lazy bugger, but he put the fear of god in many defences. Another player we always looked better with rather without.
His ability to hold the ball up and good control was an asset. People may berate his strike rate, but he mainly played right attacking mid. How many did senior get when playing full left instead of centre forward?
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I know people say he didn't score enough, but for me Dale was a forward and NOT a striker, he did, on occasions do so much, and on others scored some great goals - the one at York probably stands out.
To be absolutely honest though, other than that particular goal at York City, which (if any) of his other six goals for Alty actually stick(s) in the memory?
He's lived on that one strike for a while now.
For me, he flattered to deceive overall.
Plenty of ability but inconsistent and with a poor goalscoring ratio.
Good luck to him, wherever he surfaces.
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To be absolutely honest though, other than that particular goal at York City, which (if any) of his other six goals for Alty actually stick(s) in the memory?
Burton at home, other than those two i couldn't think of any :-\
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I'm sorry to see him go. I thought he was the perfect foil for Senior when we had him. However, we don't have Chris and no one came in that complimented Dale as well. Good luck Dale.
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Good luck Dale
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Rather than being shocked I am relieved that decisive action is being taken, Something has to change or we will be relegated, good on Graham and Ken for making this difficult decision.
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All the best werever you end up Dale , sorry to say but he wasnt quite good enought for B.S.P , showed promise but never realy delivered the goods
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Of all those people on this thread, who are "shocked" etc. to see Dale go, I have a question. How many of you slagged off Joe O'Neill, were glad ro see the back of him and please tell me how and why Dale is/was a better player?
Too many times Dales first touch let him down, just like Joe, he could hold the ball up and chase lost causes, just like Joe BUT he did not score as many goals as Joe. That was Joe's main problem he did not score enough, so how come Dale got so much adulation on here when he simply was not good enough.
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Has anyone thought that Dale may have asked to be released and as we don't need anyone that isn't 100% commited then Graham agreed to the request? It seems quite convenient that he's expected to sign for a Blue Square North club today. He obviously already had this club lined up before being released. I may be way off the mark but it's a possibility.
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Gutted. Only got to wear my Dale t-shirt once...
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Has anyone thought that Dale may have asked to be released and as we don't need anyone that isn't 100% commited then Graham agreed to the request? It seems quite convenient that he's expected to sign for a Blue Square North club today. He obviously already had this club lined up before being released. I may be way off the mark but it's a possibility.
on the other hand, we dont have a reserve set up, so we carnt pop players in games to build their match fitness up. perhaps Dale is regaining his fitness etc and we may see him again further down the line??
Of all those people on this thread, who are "shocked" etc. to see Dale go, I have a question. How many of you slagged off Joe O'Neill, were glad ro see the back of him and please tell me how and why Dale is/was a better player?
Too many times Dales first touch let him down, just like Joe, he could hold the ball up and chase lost causes, just like Joe BUT he did not score as many goals as Joe. That was Joe's main problem he did not score enough, so how come Dale got so much adulation on here when he simply was not good enough.
Problem with Joe was that he was always played as a centre forward, rather than out wide as Dale has been used. I thought Dale had a far better first touch than Joe. Joe worked his socks off (wasnt he player of the season for his contribution in his first year??). With Dale, we could see he has the talent to be a very good player, but lacked the workrate we require.
How many people thought "if only we had dale upfront" during the second half of last season?? He clearly benefitted the team, and as such, is a loss to the squad. We will have to see what players now come in as free agents.
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How things change, stevenage had interest in dale but he chose alty at the beginning of last season, its a shame as hes has the type of attitude we need, and a great person
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OMG only been away a week and such changes already. I sponsored Dale last season, I am dissappointed he has not been able to establish himself this season. But GHmust know more than us to release him.
We do need to score more goals, but that starts with beter distribution from the defence forwards.
Lets hope we get through this hiccup and get our season up and running, come on Alty
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I spent most of last season wishing we had Dale playing instead of McAliskey. However, we were still paying Dale as well. If he had been released then we would have been able to afford a better replacement than McAliskey, even if it was someone like Matt McNeill.
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Has anyone thought that Dale may have asked to be released and as we don't need anyone that isn't 100% commited then Graham agreed to the request? It seems quite convenient that he's expected to sign for a Blue Square North club today. He obviously already had this club lined up before being released. I may be way off the mark but it's a possibility.
on the other hand, we dont have a reserve set up, so we carnt pop players in games to build their match fitness up. perhaps Dale is regaining his fitness etc and we may see him again further down the line??
Surely if it was just to gain fitness he would've gone out on loan? At the end of the day whatever the circumstances he's gone and we need to move on and find a replacement and hopefully get our season kick started!
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For the good of Alty FC, I have to say I am pleased GH has acted so fast.
I have heard Graham screaming at the forwards to get onside to chase down players and defend from the front.
What I seem to have seen is that Dale didnt seem to do either, he certainly did not chase and close the defense down like Reeves does, which in my book lead to one of the goals against Darlington.
Yes there is no questioning that Dale is a strong player, with a good touch and can hold the call up well.
I just always felt that National level was a bit beyond him and North or South could find him build a real good reputation for himself.
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I'm guessing there is someone lined up to replace him?
If not, we are preparing for life in the conference north a bit too soon.
With respect, as good as Dale's hold up play can be, releasing a striker who has scored 7 goals in 70 appearnace sis hardly throwing the towel in.
I was referring to cutting the wage bill down to conference north levels.
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I'm guessing there is someone lined up to replace him?
If not, we are preparing for life in the conference north a bit too soon.
This point was addressed in the article on the official website last night:
"The moves are aimed at freeing up resources to allow reinforcement of the squad. "
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Gutted Dale is gone tbh, was one of my favourite players at Alty, always thought he would do something special when he got the ball an even when he was in a tight situation with 2 or 3 players around him, managed to get out of it. Thought he still had a lot to offer at this club and i personally would have kept him but as many have said, if GH thinks it's best for the team then maybe it was right to free up the budget.
Good luck Dale,I will miss the chant >:(
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Has anyone thought that Dale may have asked to be released and as we don't need anyone that isn't 100% commited then Graham agreed to the request? It seems quite convenient that he's expected to sign for a Blue Square North club today. He obviously already had this club lined up before being released. I may be way off the mark but it's a possibility.
My money's on this one from Joe.............I know from previous fans forums that GH rated Dale very highly and even said that he could play in L1 if he 'applied' himself to the job......I suspect that GH always had a little concern that Dale was never 100% committed i.e a bit lazy
I suspect that this impending move is a mutual one, convenient for both parties at this moment in time
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Initial reaction to this news was one of shock, but now slowly getting used to the idea. In his thirty minutes on Monday James McCarthy looked more threatening on goal than Dale has ever looked. Having said that, Dale was not the reason we have conceded 7 goals in the last two games. Can GH remove any of the players he has recently acquired? Let's hope so. Good luck to Dale at his new club, my guess is Droylsden, not Hyde, but only a guess.
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Has anyone thought that Dale may have asked to be released and as we don't need anyone that isn't 100% commited then Graham agreed to the request? It seems quite convenient that he's expected to sign for a Blue Square North club today. He obviously already had this club lined up before being released. I may be way off the mark but it's a possibility.
My money's on this one from Joe.............I know from previous fans forums that GH rated Dale very highly and even said that he could play in L1 if he 'applied' himself to the job......I suspect that GH always had a little concern that Dale was never 100% committed i.e a bit lazy
I suspect that this impending move is a mutual one, convenient for both parties at this moment in time
I think Joe could be right. Maybe a manager has watched him a while and thought now is the time to pounce as we are at a low ebb.
We also have to remember that GH and Kenny see training as well that we don't see..there could have been a row...loads of things.
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just told my brother about this and he came out with the brilliant one liner
"He can't run but he can Hyde"