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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: MarpleAlty on August 30, 2023, 04:23:59 PM
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With the exception of the pricey-looking main stand... is Fylde's home the most obvious template for our own ground redevlopment?
Much of it looks quite straightforward and of the right sort of capacity to work at our place.
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from what i saw,i hope not
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Thought ground was modern and good facilities. Unobstructed views etc.
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I have avoided Mill Farm like the plague for many years but I was actually pleasantly surprised with the place on Monday. Yes, it could very well be a blue print for us.
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That new home end houses 1,850 which would be ample for Golf Road - I wonder how much it cost on its own.
Similarly the stand running lengthways opposite their main one would probably be enough for the Popular Side; we could probably go a bit deeper than theirs if we needed to.
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The more I think about it the less I can see us hanging around Moss Lane if we are serious about league football.
Any investment seems like money thrown away. after all, the land is too small for a 10k seated stadium type thing. And the neighbours didn't like us getting new floodlights that reduced light leakage so imagine an increased structure being applied for.
This all being said, the pop side is a mess and was 20 years ago so Fyldes equivalent would be a just perfect stop gap before we move in to our 30,000 seat stadium on St George's pond ready for the champions league.
No, you've drank too much.
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I agree with Amsterdam Alty - we should look at alternative sites for a new ground. Much as I love Moss Lane, there's not much that you can do to grow capacity.
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The only way I reckon it could be feasibly done is the 90 degree rotation... however I reckon there's probably more chance of us qualifying for the Champions League than being able to buy allotment land from the council.
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I'd settle for the pop side done up and some lavs on the family stand side of the main stand.
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Not handy to walk to but their is quite a bit of land by the M56 junction near bowdon, cant be worth much as the motorway and sliproad are there.
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I'd settle for the pop side done up and some lavs on the family stand side of the main stand.
Me too I don't want to see a new ground being built
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I'd settle for the pop side done up and some lavs on the family stand side of the main stand.
Me too I don't want to see a new ground being built
Don't worry it won't be.
I love it on here and I love us Alty fans. Six unbeaten (including four draws) and we all start dreaming in public. (myself included!) 😉
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I’m surprised anyone would want to move to one of those soulless out of town stadiums that are popping up. York, Colchester, Fylde. Shrewsbury, Oxford. They’re all the same and seem incredibly bleak, lack character and are universally disliked by football fans.
Moss Lane needs work but I’d much rather we spent a certain amount on upgrading the ground rather than considering a move to one of these places. We can spend a relatively small amount on immeasurably improving the pop side, you could improve the away end, the main stand can be redeveloped. Even the Golf Road can be redesigned and changed.
There’s lots that can be done here very effectively before considering a move to a building site just off the M56
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I liked the curved roofs and stylish floodlights at Fylde and thought the whole design had been tastefully worked out. 6000 capacity too was not overbearing.
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Its one of the better new stadiums but not for me
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I think that moving to a site remote from the Town would be a grave error. Our current position is ideal. The Interchange is only 0.8 miles from Moss Lane and is a gateway to the present site that could not be replicated if we move out of town.
A new remote site might be tolerated whilst we are in the ascendancy but what happens if we have a sudden decline?
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A new remote site might be tolerated whilst we are in the ascendancy but what happens if we have a sudden decline?
What are you talking about UA? From here, the only way is up 👆 👆🇦🇹🏆
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A new remote site might be tolerated whilst we are in the ascendancy but what happens if we have a sudden decline?
What are you talking about UA? From here, the only way is up 👆 👆🇦🇹🏆
Yes, I totally agree, up Moss Lane to see the match at a redeveloped Stadium. I have just been looking at some of the 392 pages of complaints from the York City fans on their forum about their new LNER Stadium.
Home is where the heart is.
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I don't think we'll be moving to the M56 in Bowdon or Hale Barns. Too much worry about what the impact of HS2 might be.
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I don't think we'll be moving to the M56 in Bowdon or Hale Barns. Too much worry about what the impact of HS2 might be.
Would be very handy for the folks in London Alty though I suppose? 😊
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For me, I think we can create a perfectly decent 5-6k capacity stadium with up to about 2k seats on the present site with judicious development, which would serve us well enough up to "League One". If we ever happen to find ourselves in a position where we are looking to establish ourselves as a "Championship" club, then maybe revisit the question. Maybe. But I remember one of our most loyal supporters saying around the time when we looked like losing our ground that if we moved to Flixton or some such with no prospect of a quick return then he wouldn't go as it wouldn't be his club any more. In any move, we would have to consider how many core supporters would feel the same way about a move to a soulless out of town ground. Sometimes there is more to consider than finance or the limitations of the current site.
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it might have saved the club at the time but selling off the car park for housing is a massive restriction on future stadium development.
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As you infer though, if it hadn't have been done we wouldn't have had a club to develop a ground for.
Just imagine the massive stand we could have had there with the GRE being for the away fans?
Echoes of Woking!
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I liked the curved roofs and stylish floodlights at Fylde and thought the whole design had been tastefully worked out. 6000 capacity too was not overbearing.
I might be wrong, but I think the 6,000 capacity was the initial figure when the ground was three-sided, before the construction of the home end which houses another 1,800 - although you could stand on that side previously I think, so not all of that would be added on.
Agreed on the point that we really shouldn't be looking at a capacity any more than 7,500 tops - anything more than that would be ridiculous.
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I don't get the soulless new stadium line. I'd love it if we had a ground like Fylde.
We could build the atmosphere ourselves!!
PS. It would have to be on the ML site of course! 🏟️
PPS we'd only reach higher crowds by giving more of the ground to big away followings and that's not worth it in the long run. So 7k with 1.5k for away fans would be more than enough for up to league one.
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Me neither. I think some people stay away because the ground is what it is. Progress is being made but it's still light years away from a lot of the ex league grounds that we visit.
Build the ground and they will come.
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Me neither. I think some people stay away because the ground is what it is. Progress is being made but it's still light years away from a lot of the ex league grounds that we visit.
Build the ground and they will come.
I've never thought of this line of thought before and not sure how much water it holds. If it's true I'm well out of step with my concept of being an Alty fan. My latest visit to York City left me empty and pretty sure I'd hate it if we followed suit. Perhaps it's an age thing, I don't know. I'll accept I've more years behind me watching football that in front and I could be suffering from a severe dose of nostalgia. If I'm in a minority I'd accept a democratic decision and go with the flow.
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Me neither. I think some people stay away because the ground is what it is. Progress is being made but it's still light years away from a lot of the ex league grounds that we visit.
Build the ground and they will come.
I've never thought of this line of thought before and not sure how much water it holds. If it's true I'm well out of step with my concept of being an Alty fan. My latest visit to York City left me empty and pretty sure I'd hate it if we followed suit. Perhaps it's an age thing, I don't know. I'll accept I've more years behind me watching football that in front and I could be suffering from a severe dose of nostalgia. If I'm in a minority I'd accept a democratic decision and go with the flow.
I am with you Rorys......happy to use the 'facilities' of a town centre and watch a winning team in a nearby decrepit stadium.
Not interested in a Fylde or York....albeit Fylde did have a few things nearby.
The key in my opinion is a winning team or great atmosphere.....not necessarily the ground.
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I too, am not against a new 'a le Fylde' style stadium. The game on Monday was the first time I have been there and I was really impressed with it. There was nothing that would prevent me from being proud if Alty played in a similar stadium... except if it was not built at Moss Lane or a new location at a similar distance from the Town Centre.
A capacity of 7,500 would be about right for us. I think that we have to accept that we are subject to a niche status with limited opportunities to grow our attendances.
This is due to two European Mega Clubs a short distance to the north, Stockport County to the east, Scousers and Rugby League wallahs to the west and the relatively sparsely populated Cheshire Plain to the south. When we are doing well we do attract some fans from City and United who watch Alty as their 'second' team but they don't hang around when the going gets tough. I see us attracting a core of home supporters that is an average somewhere between 2,500-4,000 if we make EFL2 making our attendances between 3,000 - 5,000 with away fans included.
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100% this! ^^^^
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Just for the record I'm 65. I think there is a balance. There are a lot of loyal fans and I think there are others who think that moss lane isn't somewhere they want to spend their Saturday afternoons. To be controversial it's a bit likeThe Railway.ived In alty for 40 years and never had a pint in there
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By far the worst 'out of town' new build stadium I have been to is the one at Chester. Situated at the far end of an industrial estate by a sewage treatment plant it is several miles away away from the centre of town and could be mistaken for a group of poorly constructed farm buildings from the outside.
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it might have saved the club at the time but selling off the car park for housing is a massive restriction on future stadium development.
Thats a really good point, but like you said was necessary
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OK, I'm going to be barmy now! This is part joke, part serious.
Can we swop sites with Altrincham Leisure Centre, They have ours and we have theirs. That way we occupy part of Pollitt's Field, a historical connection. They redevelop the old Moss Lane Ground to a brand new leisure centre. We are then next to the Ice Rink, another Sports Centre, but with superb transport connections. Like Newcastle we are then a Town Centre Club. Short walk from the Town Centre too, and dead, dead easy to get to.
OK, I'll get my coat!!
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OK, I'm going to be barmy now! This is part joke, part serious.
Can we swop sites with Altrincham Leisure Centre, They have ours and we have theirs. That way we occupy part of Pollitt's Field, a historical connection. They redevelop the old Moss Lane Ground to a brand new leisure centre. We are then next to the Ice Rink, another Sports Centre, but with superb transport connections. Like Newcastle we are then a Town Centre Club. Short walk from the Town Centre too, and dead, dead easy to get to.
OK, I'll get my coat!!
That's exactly what the ongoing work is Steve. Altys new ground under wraps. It's top secret though. Keep it to yourself.
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It's a cracking idea. Every time I go to Newcastle I marvel at the ground. Complete contrast to Gateshead
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OK, I'm going to be barmy now! This is part joke, part serious.
Can we swop sites with Altrincham Leisure Centre, They have ours and we have theirs.
I was about to suggest something similar. I was thinking the car park next to the leisure centre and train station. I haven’t been to Altrincham for years, so don’t know if that’s still viable. I think there may be an ice rink there? But we could build a new stadium right next to the train station and pretty much in the town centre.
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OK, I'm going to be barmy now! This is part joke, part serious.
Can we swop sites with Altrincham Leisure Centre, They have ours and we have theirs.
I was about to suggest something similar. I was thinking the car park next to the leisure centre and train station. I haven’t been to Altrincham for years, so don’t know if that’s still viable. I think there may be an ice rink there? But we could build a new stadium right next to the train station and pretty much in the town centre.
It's a really obvious idea isn't it... but as desolate as it currently looks, I can't imagine a strip of land like that would come cheap.
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Can you wait till next Friday when I win the Euromillions? 😊
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....and I thought everyone was going to class me as barmy!!
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I think that strip of land is too narrow