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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: bigcol on December 01, 2007, 04:52:15 PM
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Evening.
I used to support Alty when I was a young un', but since I emigrated to Newcastle in 1994 I've not been to many games (although I did witness the fantastic Boxing Day Massacre of Northwich last year).
As I've lost touch, I'm not sure what the answer is to a really obvious question - why are all these village and pub teams such as Farsley, Ebbsfleet, Histon and Weymouth so much better than Altrincham? When I was supporting Alty they were amongst the top teams in the Vauxhall Conference most seasons and now it seems we are lucky to stay up.
I'm not having a go - I'm following the Robins more than ever now, just a little bit of a gap in my knowledge.
Ta,
Colin.
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mooney. we aint got none. we are 1 of very few part time teams in the conference with the lowest playing budget. we spend within our means to stay solvent so cant compete with the full timers. we do an amazing job considering
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Ok I see - so most of the other clubs are full time now? Wow that is a difference. I guess they all have sugar daddies or boards with lots of money, as they all seem to get similar attendances to Alty?
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They spend money and probably in debt, we dont spend money but are not in debt.
They are full time, we are part time.
They have more toilets, we have one and a portaloo.
I think the biggest difference must be the toilets the more i think of it !!!
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No idea if you're trolling or not but have a goodwin for your picture!
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Nah no trolling here, just asking a question that's all.
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Who is the pic off Col?
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Histon and Farsley are part-time, and still above us in the league.
Might have something to do with the fact that our manager is CLUELESS and some of the players are USELESS.
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Histon and Farsley are part-time, and still above us in the league.
Might have something to do with the fact that our manager is CLUELESS and some of the players are USELESS.
Farsley are two points and one place above us - hardly setting the world alight!
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And we are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And we are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously not. However, your implication was that Farsley are a part time side doing a hell of a lot better than we are which they are not.
I do wonder what you and your kind expect. Altrincham are a tiny football club with insufficient resources to compete properly at this level. Who should we sign? What would you do differently? Try to avoid using well-worn phrases like "the manager is useless" or "the players are useless". Tell us all your masterplan for survival.
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My master plan for survival is a new toilet block, it is just so exciting !!!
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We're going to need it with all the SH**E that we watch.
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Histon and Farsley are part-time, and still above us in the league.
Might have something to do with the fact that our manager is CLUELESS and some of the players are USELESS.
There's nothing like encouragement.....and that's nothing like encouragement.
You can't beat constructive criticism.....and that didn't.
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Might have something to do with the fact that our manager is CLUELESS and some of the players are USELESS.
Could you do better?
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We will never know, as I will never be appointed manager of Altrincham FC. ;) ;)
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We will never know, as I will never be appointed manager of Altrincham FC. ;) ;)
So he cannot be clueless then because you have to know something about football to get appointed in that position.
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V of D, you still haven't answered my question. What is your plan for our survival this season? What would you do differently? Put forward your rescue plan! Better still, give GH a call tomorrow morning on 0161 928 1045. I'm sure he'd be delighted to have someone with your expertise on board.
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Who is the pic off Col?
Miss Charlotte Church.
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I do wonder what you and your kind expect. Altrincham are a tiny football club with insufficient resources to compete properly at this level.
Right now this is why I asked the question - this is what I don't get.
A lot of the teams Alty used to compete with are now league teams so are no longer a problem for Alty, but there are now at least 15-20 teams that are above Alty in terms of size, right? So what happened over the last ten or so years?
Is it simply that a lot of teams simultaneously got lots of investment, or has the whole top tier of non-league changed in its make-up to be more professional?
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The main difference has been automatic relegation from the league, particularly 2 up 2 down. When you had re-election, it was the dead wood that got booted out - Workington, Barrow, Southport etc. A lot of the clubs recently relegated are well supported and resourced compared to us. Exeter, York, Oxford etc.
Then you have the traditional non-league clubs that are either bankrolled or building up debt, particularly by going to full time to compete with the big ex league clubs.
Then you have us. We don't have the support base and we won't go into debt.
Its worth remembering how many clubs who were strong in the Conference through the eighties and nineties are now in the lower leagues. The fact we're still hanging in there says a lot.
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In a way we were one of the 1st teams to live beyond our means. All these teams going into administration suffer a similar fate to what we did 12 years ago. The difference is we took no easy way out and paid off the debts properly and fairly.
I think our approach taught the club many valuable lessons in the reality of modern football. Whilst every other club has been throwing the kitchen sink at it and mostly failing in the past 10 years, we'd already burnt out when Maunders left. The result is we've stayed around the same level, just a little lower, whilst the other rivals you talk of have either been lucky and stayed up there like macc or just crashed and burned like so many others (Northwich soon ::)).
Dont think of us as a failure or under-achiever. The more you learn about the club and the way it is run the more you feel proud to be part of what is more or less a unique and genuine triumph!
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Simple truth is that over the last ten fifteen years Football in this country has totally changed.
Firstly the premiership change the face of top class footy.
Secondly the large influx o foreign players, rightly or wrongly, pushed all the lesser players further down the leagues.
Result, in my opinion the BSP is now the equivalent of the old third or certainly fourth division. The payments required by players at all levels have risen and at a small club like Alty we cannot aford to pay todays equivalent of the old third or fourth division. Other clubs that were below us and are now above have been able to do that, either by having sugar daddies to bank roll them, going into debt, or better local support.
For what we have support and money wise, we are doing very well. Our club wont fold through lack of funds like a few in the BSP could. Or go into administration like so many others have and will in the future. We were in the position of folding when Maunders left and in debt at the end of the Berman era; but the present Board have got us to a more sustainable and honest position than many BSP clubs can claim.
I would rather have a club struggle on the pitch than no club at all.
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Who is the pic off Col?
Miss Charlotte Church.
She's grown! ;)
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Thank you for your articulate and intelligent replies - I feel more knowledgeable now.
I guess the mind set has changed - in the 80's and 90's I was used to each start of the season being 'will it be our year to go up?' where as I suppose now the thoughts are more towards survival.
I also note the emphasis on financial stability, I too would rather there was a club no matter where in the pyramid than no club at all.
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Who is the pic off Col?
Miss Charlotte Church.
She's grown! ;)
Being pregnant tends to do that to you.
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Who is the pic off Col?
Miss Charlotte Church.
She's grown! ;)
Being pregnant tends to do that to you.
Now you mention it, I did notice a difference with my missus!
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We're going to need it with all the SH**E that we watch.
Even if we were top of the league and had a different manager you would still moan.
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Who is the pic off Col?
Miss Charlotte Church.
She's grown! ;)
Being pregnant tends to do that to you.
Now you mention it, I did notice a difference with my missus!
Me too, its great. But then im gonna have to start sharing them in a couple of months!
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Who is the pic off Col?
Miss Charlotte Church.
She's grown! ;)
Being pregnant tends to do that to you.
Now you mention it, I did notice a difference with my missus!
Me too, its great. But then im gonna have to start sharing them in a couple of months!
Jennifer has decided she prefers bottled milk. They're all mine!
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Can i share too plz
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Talk about a hijack!
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I blame Miss Church
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Talk about a hijack!
I'm not a fan of Charlotte Church and not really into pregnat ladies but that photo does brighten up the forum a tad.
Have another goodwin bigcol.
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Have another goodwin bigcol.
Surely he should be awarded two goodwins
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Can i share too plz
How did i know mr trucker would respond to that one - you dirty fool !!!
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Have another goodwin bigcol.
Surely he should be awarded two goodwins
I love the idea of looking at a buxom wench and thinking, "Look at the Goodwins on that!"
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Have another goodwin bigcol.
Surely he should be awarded two goodwins
I love the idea of looking at a buxom wench and thinking, "Look at the Goodwins on that!"
Or "Twin Peakes!"
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My missus is so proud her boobs have been a topic of conversation on the forum.
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My missus is so proud her boobs have been a topic of conversation on the forum.
You should be even prouder!
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My missus is so proud her boobs have been a topic of conversation on the forum.
You should be even prouder!
Woohoo!