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Title: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on June 18, 2010, 12:02:39 AM
I wish we were skint enough to bring in class acts like luke jones,and a load of other players from half way up the country, football still baffles me the older i get

Craig Armstrong - Mansfield
Lee Smith - gloucester
Lee Fowler - oxford
James Bittner - salisbury
Herring - from Northwich Victoria
Luke Jones - Mansfield

all signed today......

(http://www.fgrfc.net/images/news/P6170002.jpg)
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: taxi Phil on June 18, 2010, 12:27:42 AM
If I didn't know what a paragon of virtue he is, I would suggest St.Colin of Nailsworth has been a liitle economical with the truth. Do any of this lot need their International Clearance checked out ?

Tommy Widdrington reckons James Bittner has gone to Legoland because he wants to stay BSP. That's this season sorted then.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on June 18, 2010, 12:30:43 AM
I wouldnt mind but a couple of those players are reasonably local to here, I cant imagine what they must be offering them to brave the M6/M5 at least 3 to 4 times a week....
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Aussie Bob on June 18, 2010, 01:24:31 AM
must have a magic money tree somewhere ....
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: taxi Phil on June 18, 2010, 09:46:52 AM
must have a magic money tree somewhere ....

Bought it from Jim Rushe.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Narcissist on June 18, 2010, 11:18:04 AM
FGR are probably just laughing at how easy it is these days to be skint and just break the rules instead of forever trying to pay your way.

It reminds me of the dilemma of having a dope test free olympics where some brute would run 100m in 7 seconds wired of his skull. Imagine if we had a one -off season of spend as you like amnesty from administration. Alty signing Craney and loads of championship players who get released.

It will be the death of FGR but maybe Peake knows they wont last in the BSP beyond this season even by cutting their cloth so he's just gone for it, death or glory. Death please!
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: distancetraveller on June 18, 2010, 11:43:06 AM
If it is true that they are in serious debt then the league should impose a transfer embargo on them to stop this farce of clubs living beyond there means

I fear this topic of clubs spending beyond there means isnt going to go away anytime soon and sadly we will be reading / commenting on it for the forseeable future.

Cmon you footballing authorities get a grip of this bloody  mess, let football decide who goes up and down rather than the administrators.

Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: fgrfan on June 18, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
The list of signings are pretty decent. However its important to stress that financial constraints could very much prove our downfall regarding squad size next season.

We are having a squad of around 13 players. And these will be backed up by 5 young lads who attend the college, Hartpury, in which we train.

So to make things more cost effective having a squad of about 13 players should hopefully prove enough. The problem is that a couple of injuries and you're already beginning to have a very inexperienced squad. Losing Mike Fowler, Lee Ayres and Curtis MacDonald to long term injuries last season proved effective so hoping for a bit more luck with injuries this time round.

At the end of the day if you're looking to compete in the league you are entered in you might as well sign at least a core of players that can prove a backbone to your squad. Three or four more signings to add to the 8 already signed and our squad will be very much cemented for the new season.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: distancetraveller on June 19, 2010, 06:57:55 AM
The list of signings are pretty decent. However its important to stress that financial constraints could very much prove our downfall regarding squad size next season.

We are having a squad of around 13 players. And these will be backed up by 5 young lads who attend the college, Hartpury, in which we train.

So to make things more cost effective having a squad of about 13 players should hopefully prove enough. The problem is that a couple of injuries and you're already beginning to have a very inexperienced squad. Losing Mike Fowler, Lee Ayres and Curtis MacDonald to long term injuries last season proved effective so hoping for a bit more luck with injuries this time round.

At the end of the day if you're looking to compete in the league you are entered in you might as well sign at least a core of players that can prove a backbone to your squad. Three or four more signings to add to the 8 already signed and our squad will be very much cemented for the new season.

If you have the money to pay for them and can sustain the wages etc then thats fine.

What irks me is if your living beyond your means and simply sticking two fingers up to your creditors.. That my friend, is called cheating.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: fgrfan on June 19, 2010, 06:05:51 PM
We're not necessarily living beyond our means by stupidly splashing cash on players, spending over £1k a week on a striker like Salisbury were rumoured to have done is ridiculous. Our stadium move was just hindered by unexpected extra costs. e.g. moving a TV mast a few metres cost the club £100,000 - it had to be done and couldn't of been avoided. How many clubs in the BSP, even like Luton, could afford to randomly pay out £100k to move a television mast? Probably should of budgeted better but I'm not the guy in charge of that! We're suffering the consequences now of part of the stadium move, mixed in with the recession, now on the playing front. But if the club was to ever push on and have any kind of ambition then a move to a new complex was needed, especially as it now runs every day of the year as a conference & leisure centre and reported a profit for the last financial year, whilst many clubs will have no source of income during this summer period. Added to the constant threats by the Conference to improve ground facilities and standards to keep up with the times, the downfall of many non league sides.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Jezza on June 20, 2010, 06:21:32 AM
I must apologise on behalf of alty fans everywhere.....we all thought you were scrabbling round for money to pay your £250k tax bill...please excuse our ignorance....when did you pay it incidentally?
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on June 20, 2010, 07:19:20 AM
No club with 700 fans should be giving players from the other end of the country a 2 year full time contract and renting them a house.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: markecky on June 20, 2010, 08:14:31 AM
No club with 700 fans should be giving players from the other end of the country a 2 year full time contract and renting them a house.

This kind of makes your "Save the Green" campaign look a little fraudulent I'd say.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: chesteralty on June 20, 2010, 09:52:36 AM
It'll catch up with them eventually, football clubs can't escape the taxman forever.
All it has done is hasten their demise.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: York Alty on June 20, 2010, 10:36:43 AM
probably right chesteralty but not neccessarily.

If this squad get a plum 3rd round FA cup draw then it will have paid for itself, and some.  Sure it's a gamble on something Poorest Green have no control over whatsoever.

Until the law is changed and rampant free market economics is brought under control any business can follow any business path they choose within the law.  It's not big. It's not clever. It's not sustainable. It is however legal. It is their choice.
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: taxi Phil on June 20, 2010, 11:34:48 AM
Until the law is changed and rampant free market economics is brought under control any business can follow any business path they choose within the law.  It's not big. It's not clever. It's not sustainable. It is however legal. It is their choice.


If we wait for a change to the law of the land, most of us won't live to see it. There is so much red tape and hidden agenda involved in a law change that only simple stuff gets through.

Example : the Disability Discrimination Act of 1995, hailed as a victory for disabled people everywhere - and STILL not fully implemented 15 years later. By 2007, every taxi in England and Wales should have been wheelchair accessible, and a vehicle developed to meet the needs of every disabled person (the last bit was always going to be impossible). Today, many Councils still have less than 15% accessible vehicles (there are a couple who have more wheelchair accessible Private Hire than taxis !) and people in wheelchairs are still being refused and ignored by taxi drivers.

Now we're getting the new Equality Act - and I've racked my brains over it and can't see how it will ever address the above problems.

This is simple stuff when compared to dealing with company finances !
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on June 20, 2010, 01:12:18 PM
Have you done that public vehicle driving nvq yet? Me and chief have done it,thankfully we didnt have to pay for it,load of old nonsense it was aswell.If the council make it compulsary,I can see your lot going crackers,or on strike!
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: taxi Phil on June 20, 2010, 09:05:12 PM
Have you done that public vehicle driving nvq yet? Me and chief have done it,thankfully we didnt have to pay for it,load of old nonsense it was aswell.If the council make it compulsary,I can see your lot going crackers,or on strike!

Our trade association have made it clear that, unless the same nationally accredited qualification is applied to every licensing authority, we're not going to take part. If I get the qualification in Trafford, I should be able to use it to get a licence in Manchester, or even Mansfield (though God knows why anyone wants to work there !)
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Dougals Dad on June 24, 2010, 12:19:49 AM
During the excitement of the England versus Slovenia match, David Hockaday, manager of Forest Green Rovers, took the half-time break to complete another couple of signings for his squad. A packed Carol Embrey Suite watching the World Cup at the New Lawn witnessed first Craig Armstrong complete his signing as player-coach and then defender Scott Bartlett, previously with Bath City, joined the club on a part-time basis.

Bartlett, 31, had left Bath as he didn't want to train full-time, and the fact that he lived in Tetbury just three miles from Rovers` ground made it an ideal move for him".
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Dougals Dad on July 02, 2010, 05:40:21 PM
Financial struggle continues for Forest Green Rovers 
 
Drew was Labour MP for Stroud for 13 years
Forest Green Rovers chairman David Drew has admitted the club continues to face a financial struggle after the failure of a campaign to raise £250,000.

Drew acknowledged the 'Keep the Green Alive' campaign, launched earlier this year, fell 'substantially' short of its ambitious target.

But he told BBC Gloucestershire: "We're alive. I won't say we're healthy but we are keeping going."

Last season Rovers fought off two winding-up orders.

Drew said: "The good news is we're still there. We're receiving monies to help with the playing budget and other things, but we're not out of the woods yet."

Forest Green finished in a relegation slot in the Blue Square Premier last season but earned a reprieve when Salisbury were demoted due to financial irregularities.

Drew admitted: "It's always very tough to find the money each week to pay the players and the other staff who make an important contribution. Fans need to get behind the club and people need to use the facilities."

However he added: "We have a number of investors who are interested in putting some serious money into the club.

"We'll only be happy when we've had a good season but also when we have some more investment in place.

"We're having to cut our cloth much more conservatively at the moment because the money just isn't there any more."

 
Not stopped the signings!
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: chesteralty on July 03, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
Couldn't believe that when I saw it yesterday, unbelievable hypocrisy.

I suppose it's symptomatic of our society at the moment, people love buying things, they're just rather less keen to actually pay for them!!
Thank goodness for the chairman and manager we have here at Alty!!
Title: Re: I thought forest green were skint and up for sale??
Post by: Butty on July 04, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
"We'll only be happy when we've had a good season but also when we have some more investment in place.

Theres the problem, he is more bothered about a good season on the pitch than making sure the club are financially viable