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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Get back in yer box! on January 20, 2016, 07:42:58 AM
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Haven't posted for years, won't be posting again soon, but I'm effing angry!
What did we get out of the tin pot FCN for? Just to go back there looking like the small time, amateur, parocial outfit we really are?
Stuff that!
If I were Lee and Jordan, I would already be looking for a more professional outfit.
Why doesn't Rowley and his sycophants ship out and sell up to someone with desire and money. Big fish in a very small pond.
Look at us...
Ground is a joke, squad is a joke, board are a joke.
Poor Damian, Jake, Simon, Shaun, Scott, Luca, and co, Chorley or Stockport looks a good bet.
Sports Hall? New bar more like! No sport I know can be played in there, too small and too low, carpet bowls for Mr Rowley anyone?
Money for players would have been better.
And it is too close to the pitch and obscures the view, only muppets would have planned that.
Wake up and smell the coffee, these buffoons have sold us down the river for years.
Well run club? My backside!
History is all we have now, enjoy...
Cough up for proper football gents, or sell up to someone who will.
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A bit harsh but you can't really argue with it.
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As always the silent majority go unspoken-until now. The board do a great job and the players we have (playing part time in this league is difficult) really try. But ! if investors/new owners are out there let them in, this close to Manchester in a sought after residential area is definitely a draw. Fans will only put up with drifting along for so long and for those of us who remember back to the eighties this is becoming a chore not a pleasure. Please please put the fans first.
I will get flack from many for this post but I'm not alone in wishing for a brighter future not empty grounds in the middle of no-where living on our history.
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Haven't posted for years, won't be posting again soon, but I'm effing angry!
What did we get out of the tin pot FCN for? Just to go back there looking like the small time, amateur, parocial outfit we really are?
Stuff that!
If I were Lee and Jordan, I would already be looking for a more professional outfit.
Why doesn't Rowley and his sycophants ship out and sell up to someone with desire and money. Big fish in a very small pond.
Look at us...
Ground is a joke, squad is a joke, board are a joke.
Poor Damian, Jake, Simon, Shaun, Scott, Luca, and co, Chorley or Stockport looks a good bet.
Sports Hall? New bar more like! No sport I know can be played in there, too small and too low, carpet bowls for Mr Rowley anyone?
Money for players would have been better.
And it is too close to the pitch and obscures the view, only muppets would have planned that.
Wake up and smell the coffee, these buffoons have sold us down the river for years.
Well run club? My backside!
History is all we have now, enjoy...
Cough up for proper football gents, or sell up to someone who will.
Quite a few good points mixed in with a few daft ones.
On the grand scale of things looking at all the clubs around us and any non-league club with a similar demographical surrounding and history we have actually out performed and done well to stay out of trouble. One of the main reasons for that was learning the spending lesson very early on.
On the other hand, we do seem to have just settled for less on the pitch.
I can't see with the current management team where we would unearth the next Reeves, Watmore, Danny Adams, Kevin Ellison?
The state of the squad currently is as bad as i've ever known it for cover and we haven't suffered any more than any other club so somebody needs to stand up at the club and say something because its not fair on the fans wasting time and throwing good money after bad watching players who don't set the world alight when they wear he shirt in the right position being played all over the place. I'd argue its not fair on them either.
Saying the board are a joke though is a bit daft, they care about the club more than any of us and to have us in the position we are in is an incredible achievement in itself.
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A few wins and we will go up the table so it all changes again as for the ground non league
Grounds ain't supposed to be like old Trafford it's fit for us with our gates
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Haven't posted for years, won't be posting again soon, but I'm effing angry!
What did we get out of the tin pot FCN for? Just to go back there looking like the small time, amateur, parocial outfit we really are?
Stuff that!
If I were Lee and Jordan, I would already be looking for a more professional outfit.
Why doesn't Rowley and his sycophants ship out and sell up to someone with desire and money. Big fish in a very small pond.
Look at us...
Ground is a joke, squad is a joke, board are a joke.
Poor Damian, Jake, Simon, Shaun, Scott, Luca, and co, Chorley or Stockport looks a good bet.
Sports Hall? New bar more like! No sport I know can be played in there, too small and too low, carpet bowls for Mr Rowley anyone?
Money for players would have been better.
And it is too close to the pitch and obscures the view, only muppets would have planned that.
Wake up and smell the coffee, these buffoons have sold us down the river for years.
Well run club? My backside!
History is all we have now, enjoy...
Cough up for proper football gents, or sell up to someone who will.
i will go back to the top,I very much doubt Lee and Jordan can get a better gig
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The following are excerpts from a post by the author of this topic from 2012:
"At least Alty are not in dire financial trouble, that can't be a negative."
"750ish crowds is our income stream without a Sugar Daddy, which we don't have."
"For the income stream we have, we are about where we should be."
So, what's changed so radically that you felt the need to post that awful diatribe about the board? We may be in a higher league with slightly bigger crowds, but there is still no sugar daddy (which you correctly pointed out). Do you seriously think that if someone was waiting out there with a sack of money to put into the club that the board would simply turn them away? I bet Grahame Rowley has dreamt about receiving that phone call every day since the summer of 2002! It's lucky you weren't around then, by the way - if you think things are bad now, the club really was in a sh*t state back in those days and in the couple of years that followed.
People can say what they like about the team and the recruitment/non recruitment of players. I am in no position to comment on it and it is crystal clear that things radically need sorting out on the pitch. However, some of the comments about Grahame Rowley and the board on the first post above are an absolute disgrace and show no knowledge of the club or the work that has been done over the last 13 and a half years.
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The trouble is, people DO associate the perceived unprofessionalism of the club this year (whether fairly or unfairly) with both the board and the manager. Whilst I'd never criticise Graham or any of the others for what they've put into the club over the last 14 years or so, I'm not so sure whether the club can move forward with them at the helm. As others have pointed out, we need investment urgently. Going with so few players this season has just made us look ridiculous and a bit out of our depth. I know there will be some who say, 'be careful what you wish for' (see the likes of Telford etc), but I can't see us getting out of this cycle of relegation /promotion unless there is a change of leadership and some money is put into the club.
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We do need investment, i wouldn't say urgently. We aren't going under.
Reading the posts on here you'd get the impression that there's a queue of wealthy people with long standing morals and good intentions just waiting to invest in a club like alty but the board are holding back and stopping these mystery people investing.
These investors dont exist. We need to wait for one of us lot to become mega rich, otherwise its a dodgy ego maniac who will sell us down the river after a couple of seasons of us performing well above our average. Even one of those has never shown a serious interest. Do you think if they did the board could cover it up from the fans?
Its bonkers on here sometimes, this is the real world not football manager.
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I've only been supporting Alty a couple of years, so please forgive the ignorance of my question: when people talk about moving us forward, what do they mean? Is there an unspoken vision or roadmap that we are deviating from?
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The following are excerpts from a post by the author of this topic from 2012:
"At least Alty are not in dire financial trouble, that can't be a negative."
"750ish crowds is our income stream without a Sugar Daddy, which we don't have."
"For the income stream we have, we are about where we should be."
So, what's changed so radically that you felt the need to post that awful diatribe about the board? We may be in a higher league with slightly bigger crowds, but there is still no sugar daddy (which you correctly pointed out). Do you seriously think that if someone was waiting out there with a sack of money to put into the club that the board would simply turn them away? I bet Grahame Rowley has dreamt about receiving that phone call every day since the summer of 2002! It's lucky you weren't around then, by the way - if you think things are bad now, the club really was in a sh*t state back in those days and in the couple of years that followed.
People can say what they like about the team and the recruitment/non recruitment of players. I am in no position to comment on it and it is crystal clear that things radically need sorting out on the pitch. However, some of the comments about Grahame Rowley and the board on the first post above are an absolute disgrace and show no knowledge of the club or the work that has been done over the last 13 and a half years.
Thanks for this - top post.
I'm willing to forgive the OP for posting on raw emotion - the same happened after FCUM, Trafford, Blyth, Bath, Welling in the league, Braintree in the league - the list goes on. We've had low moments - we've also had bloody good ones too, one of those as recently as two months ago. It's also always particularly low at the point we're out of all cups and have nothing else to look forward to (CSC not counted!)
This club has steadily improved, season on season, for the last 4-5 years or so. That is down to EVERYONE - the players, the management, the board... US, THE FANS. We set the mood around here more than we realise.
Barring further misfortune, and yes it's going to be a hell of a challenge, I still have faith that these players (and the fresh loan lads), played in the right system, can see us to safety in the Summer.
We're all doing a cracking job - win our games in hand and we're out of the drop zone again. It's that simple. We'll probably win at Grimsby, they hate playing us :D
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Great post MarpleAlty. Of course the club has improved over the past 4/5 years and in large part that has been down to a sensible and committed board. I just don't want it to go back to where it was and I wish I shared your optimism about this season. Hopefully we can bring in one or two new players (probably starting with fullbacks!!!) and start to improve. We have to keep the faith and hope.
Personally I see 'moving forward' as achieving midtable obscurity and avoiding the cycle of relegation and promotion we share wth other clubs such as Southport, Telford and Nuneaton.
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It might be worth mentioning that we had a few hairy first seasons back at this level last time (i.e. we were effing relegated 3 times!) before a couple of more assured mid-table ones.
(*we won't talk about the season after that - although we had the rug pulled from under us with the likes of Young and Senior leaving, better recruits like Kearney breaking his leg etc)
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Hi, please excuse me returning to your forum post match, can I just say that I can understand how you feel as most clubs at our level experience times of poor results and financial hardships, we at Bognor had this just a few years back relegated from the then Connie South and struggling with debt, ( we also do not have a sugar daddy) we found ourselves relegated two years running to the Ryman South. The gamble at the time did not pay off because we had not prepaired properly, we have since sorted ourselves out and our fans have been most supportive during this period. Having met your Chairman his good lady and some of your board last night I can assure you that you are in good hands. I personally apologised to them for our rather exuberant celebrations following the result and they assured me that they understood as they felt the same following Barnsley in the FA Cup. I would like to add all connected with your club were a credit to you with special mention to those supporters who braved the trip and the weather to attend. Please be patient and carry on supporting you guys are the life line of the club and this is why they need your support now, anyone can support a winning side. Sorry about the grammar, once
I start typing I get lost in what I am trying to say. I shall be following your progression for the rest of the season and good luck. Rant over.
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Hi, please excuse me returning to your forum post match, can I just say that I can understand how you feel as most clubs at our level experience times of poor results and financial hardships, we at Bognor had this just a few years back relegated from the then Connie South and struggling with debt, ( we also do not have a sugar daddy) we found ourselves relegated two years running to the Ryman South. The gamble at the time did not pay off because we had not prepaired properly, we have since sorted ourselves out and our fans have been most supportive during this period. Having met your Chairman his good lady and some of your board last night I can assure you that you are in good hands. I personally apologised to them for our rather exuberant celebrations following the result and they assured me that they understood as they felt the same following Barnsley in the FA Cup. I would like to add all connected with your club were a credit to you with special mention to those supporters who braved the trip and the weather to attend. Please be patient and carry on supporting you guys are the life line of the club and this is why they need your support now, anyone can support a winning side. Sorry about the grammar, once
I start typing I get lost in what I am trying to say. I shall be following your progression for the rest of the season and good luck. Rant over.
Good luck to you in the next round and also for the rest of the season.
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Haven't posted for years, won't be posting again soon, but I'm effing angry!
What did we get out of the tin pot FCN for? Just to go back there looking like the small time, amateur, parocial outfit we really are?
Stuff that!
If I were Lee and Jordan, I would already be looking for a more professional outfit.
Why doesn't Rowley and his sycophants ship out and sell up to someone with desire and money. Big fish in a very small pond.
Look at us...
Ground is a joke, squad is a joke, board are a joke.
Poor Damian, Jake, Simon, Shaun, Scott, Luca, and co, Chorley or Stockport looks a good bet.
Sports Hall? New bar more like! No sport I know can be played in there, too small and too low, carpet bowls for Mr Rowley anyone?
Money for players would have been better.
And it is too close to the pitch and obscures the view, only muppets would have planned that.
Wake up and smell the coffee, these buffoons have sold us down the river for years.
Well run club? My backside!
History is all we have now, enjoy...
Cough up for proper football gents, or sell up to someone who will.
Yes lets have a big money backer so we can sign a load mercenaries which may or not get us into the Football League and when it goes tits up. We can start again in the North West Counties League. I am sure everyone will enjoy that won't they?
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Brainwashed Mallorca Alty.
I'd quite enjoy it.
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We haven't had a good side in 20 years arguably we did for a season but Kearney got injured hope everyone is enjoying it
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Silly post without the current board we could easily be in the unibond. I think if a big money backer came in with the best intentions he would get the club, there are none out there
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Hi, please excuse me returning to your forum post match, can I just say that I can understand how you feel as most clubs at our level experience times of poor results and financial hardships, we at Bognor had this just a few years back relegated from the then Connie South and struggling with debt, ( we also do not have a sugar daddy) we found ourselves relegated two years running to the Ryman South. The gamble at the time did not pay off because we had not prepaired properly, we have since sorted ourselves out and our fans have been most supportive during this period. Having met your Chairman his good lady and some of your board last night I can assure you that you are in good hands. I personally apologised to them for our rather exuberant celebrations following the result and they assured me that they understood as they felt the same following Barnsley in the FA Cup. I would like to add all connected with your club were a credit to you with special mention to those supporters who braved the trip and the weather to attend. Please be patient and carry on supporting you guys are the life line of the club and this is why they need your support now, anyone can support a winning side. Sorry about the grammar, once
I start typing I get lost in what I am trying to say. I shall be following your progression for the rest of the season and good luck. Rant over.
Cheers mate , no sign of a rant! We will get over this, but emotions are running a bit raw at the moment. Good luck at Sutton, I'm sure we are all rooting for you, you are a fine Club and hopefully you can get up the leagues and we can see you at Alty.
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Silly post without the current board we could easily be in the unibond. I think if a big money backer came in with the best intentions he would get the club, there are none out there
The question that springs to mind here is whether you mean would we still be stuck in the Unibond? Which, although we were once at a low ebb over a decade ago, is actually very unlikely. All told 13 years later, we'd be back up, unless you think the total worst case Connett, Rushe scenarios came to pass. But unlikely.
If you mean if the current board weren't here we could easily find ourselves soon in the Unibond then that's inbetween unlikely and total bollocks.
I'm not offering a specific opinion and Lord knows the board have done a good job (better at times than at others) but to observe that one day we will have to move on.
Consign the words Unibond away with the Cheshire League.
We had a phrase The Past Does Not Equal The Future. It shouldn't change meaning.
It's also a fair observation that, like Pat Grant as escape officer in Colditz, can you be too much of a fan / care too much when you're in charge?
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Haven't posted for years, won't be posting again soon, but I'm effing angry!
What did we get out of the tin pot FCN for? Just to go back there looking like the small time, amateur, parocial outfit we really are?
Stuff that!
If I were Lee and Jordan, I would already be looking for a more professional outfit.
Why doesn't Rowley and his sycophants ship out and sell up to someone with desire and money. Big fish in a very small pond.
Look at us...
Ground is a joke, squad is a joke, board are a joke.
Poor Damian, Jake, Simon, Shaun, Scott, Luca, and co, Chorley or Stockport looks a good bet.
Sports Hall? New bar more like! No sport I know can be played in there, too small and too low, carpet bowls for Mr Rowley anyone?
Money for players would have been better.
And it is too close to the pitch and obscures the view, only muppets would have planned that.
Wake up and smell the coffee, these buffoons have sold us down the river for years.
Well run club? My backside!
History is all we have now, enjoy...
Cough up for proper football gents, or sell up to someone who will.
The one thing about this post, I'm so glad you won't be posting again.
I just guess it is one of those wind up posts.
In my opinion you haven't got a clue.
Not saying anymore!!!
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Haven't posted for years, won't be posting again soon, but I'm effing angry!
What did we get out of the tin pot FCN for? Just to go back there looking like the small time, amateur, parocial outfit we really are?
Stuff that!
If I were Lee and Jordan, I would already be looking for a more professional outfit.
Why doesn't Rowley and his sycophants ship out and sell up to someone with desire and money. Big fish in a very small pond.
Look at us...
Ground is a joke, squad is a joke, board are a joke.
Poor Damian, Jake, Simon, Shaun, Scott, Luca, and co, Chorley or Stockport looks a good bet.
Sports Hall? New bar more like! No sport I know can be played in there, too small and too low, carpet bowls for Mr Rowley anyone?
Money for players would have been better.
And it is too close to the pitch and obscures the view, only muppets would have planned that.
Wake up and smell the coffee, these buffoons have sold us down the river for years.
Well run club? My backside!
History is all we have now, enjoy...
Cough up for proper football gents, or sell up to someone who will.
I've read some dreadful stuff on here over the years, mostly to the point of not actually bothering to read it very much. This has to be one of the nastiest posts and most uncalled for posts I have read for a long time.
You don't really talk about what's on the pitch so I won't either, needless to reinforce that it is always the most important part before I say what I am going to say next. We need points and need them quickly.
Your opening gambit of why did we get out of the Conference North, well it's a side effect of scoring more goals than the opposition and trying to win matches. I think it was also the aim of pretty much every fan, aside from the few that are happy to play at a regional level.
Ask "Rowley and his sycophants ship out and sell up to someone with desire and money" is as ungrateful as it is nonfactual. Rowley and his sycophants don't own it so they can't sell it even if if they wanted too.
They are appointed by the shareholders to run it to and if you want them out then get an enough shareholders together, get a vote of no confidence and get "them" out. Make sure you've got the replacements lined up first please and make sure they are pretty thick skinned. Hopefully the previous board will still be allowed to return to the terraces from where they came.
As for your sports hall rant, it's quite incredible. Any football club would surely welcome such a facility to be built at their ground with open arms, people put weeks, months even years into the planning of that, have you ever seen how large grant application form are? Takes more than a muppet I'm afraid to do build such a thing with such a minimal amount of money to be raised by supporters. Yes it restricts the view from some seats in the stand, that has been talked to death and isn't great but the positives surely outweigh it.
Do you even know what goes in there? You surely can't do if you think it's a venue for "Rowleys" carpet bowls, surely something smaller could have been built at his own expense if he wanted such a place to practice.
As for Sports Hall, new bar more like, you sound like you've just uncovered a great secret and exposed it.
Surely even the most unsavvy business minded Alty fan must have seen that most of the clubs we have ever visited in the past had a social venue that could generate income outside of matchdays. I lost count of the times I sat in these places wishing we had one. Yes the damp and mouldy old bar had some charm but it was room that was used once fortnight, it was hired out about 5 times a year by Alty fans who would ignore its fault and wanted to help the club. No one off the street without an affinity to the club would have used it for a function I'm afraid. Compare that now to whenever anyone asks in a local facebook group for venue recommendations, at least 5 people with no connection to the club recommend it.
The only safe way to grow the club is to provide a facility that could be open 7 days a week, providing income 7 days a week and we now have it. No sports can be played in it? The 100 kids who have football training there every week may differ. It's used for yoga, pliates, slimming groups, pensioners activities, toddler groups, baby groups and it's also a superb function room as well as an extended matchday bar. How dreadful! More power to the muppets I say.
Going to take a few years to see the fruits of it but the community benefits are there already.
So as well as the above it also provides a base for the community schemes that now involve kids from 2 to 17, coaching in schools growing at such a rate that they can't get enough coaches to fulfill all the requests (which makes money as well as the PR side). Everywhere you look there seems to be an Alty team playing these days, boys and girls. I remember days when outside of the fanbase few people had any connection with the club and there was nothing to connect to the community, there is now concrete links there and that can only be a good thing.
A better base for a BTEC scheme where young people combine football with learning (which again makes money).
We never had any of this even when the money men have been in before.
So back to the investors debate. Not arguing that some investment would be good but it has to be the right kind Some more directors willing to throw in £10,000 a season and spread the workload, organise some stuff would be very welcome.
Some wide boy coming in telling me about project Football League in 2 years and the new super stadium will need to do some convincing in my eyes I'm afraid. I've sat in that meeting once in Chequers when John Maunders showed me his super plans in 1992. His first job was to sack all volunteers by letter and replace them with paid people so he could control them, nothing like getting off on the right foot. He didn't need to worry about selling sponsor boards and severed a lot of ties built up over the years as he forced anyone who he spent money with in his company to take a board. Took years to repair and some of it never was.
It took a fair few months of my life trying to save the place with many others when he got bored, put the 1995 Tottenham FA cup money in his suitcase and walked off with his "loans" repaid, like he was of course legally entitled to do. Does money guarantee success? I've not seen much happening at Barrow since the American saviour rode in. Time will tell if he rides out again or makes good his promises.
It's like the days of "you need to come to a meeting under the stand at 12:30, we need £10,000 by the end of the month or this will happen" never took place. The board have made a rod for their own back really by running it well without crying for help every two months. No one wants to talk about money anymore, just what we have to get or what we need.
On the pitch we aren't doing as well as anyone would have hoped but there have been some reasons for that with the injuries and postponements. but that is very different from the points what you are attacking. Whether you like it or not being an Alty fan in a league with some of the giants we share it with means we are going to lose more than we win. You know that though, so why has it suddenly changed? This season we have got back on the national FA cup map, beaten a league side and a kick away from taking another one to a replay I think we would have won. We went out of the trophy last night to what I think was fluke long range shot on an unplayable pitch (for both sides). We need to improve of course we do and we need points fast but the board have always worked hard to make the budget as high as it can be for players.
I could go on all night but my point is, heckle the manager and your least favourite players but the volunteers running your football club don't deserve such abuse, whether it's a one off rant or your or others feelings. If you want things changing, come up with ways you can help to do it. It's piss easy to sit at home telling everyone else what should be done.
Things are far from perfect but in my opinion they are far from deserving that.
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Well said, Ecky!
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Superb post Ecky.
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Well said, Ecky!
Seconded.....I held fire on commentIng on this preposterous rant in the hope that someone would do it better. Ecky has his finger on the pulse as usual.
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The voice of sanity. Well said ecky.
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Here here Ecky
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Twenty days in to 2016 and I think post of the year is nailed on.
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Good response Ecky
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Glad you responded in the way you did Mark
I was so angry, and upset with such a post.
Waiting for this non Alty fan to respond.
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and another vote for the sensible majority over the outrageous initial post. well said Ecky.
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Agree with Ecky, things are far from perfect on the playing front. And most know my thoughts on that.
But the Rowleys are good people doing the best they can for the club, we should not forget that ever. However frustrating it may be that we can't always compete financially at this level.
As for the Community Hall, its a great asset to the club. I got married there, and was so proud to be able to do so
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Well at least the post brought us all together in agreement
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Totally agree Ecky , we have a great club with a big heart , hopefully we can continue to compete at this level for many years to come.
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Great response. Hopefully we'll get an equally passionate response at Grimsby.
Onwards and upwards.
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There is one thing for everyone to concentrate on and that is staying in this league.
If the worst happens we will be well placed to come back up...we will be a top 5 'FCN' side
The bar community hall is magnificent, the kids around alty in replica kits is a legacy for this board which will last for years.
Onwards and upwards
Take a look at Runcorn, northwich, scarboro, boston and be grateful.
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Great response Ecky, all is not perfect but we have a great club in my opinion.
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It's really easy to highlight the negatives and the huge investment that is still needed in the ground
Its really hard to find an investor who wants to put the money in with no guarenteed return or no hidden agenda
Sadly sheiks don't grow on trees
In fact the hall is the single biggest investment we have seen for decades and we are still trying to pay the last of it to the best of my knowledge
This is a friendly warm club who welcome ideas and investment
We all want a better ground no doubt .. but at what cost ?
We do however have to stay up and should take some calculated risk to do so
We have been bitterly unlucky with injuries alongside poor recruitment in the summer
One last thing. . Great post ecky
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There is one thing for everyone to concentrate on and that is staying in this league.
If the worst happens we will be well placed to come back up...we will be a top 5 'FCN' side
The bar community hall is magnificent, the kids around alty in replica kits is a legacy for this board which will last for years.
Onwards and upwards
Take a look at Runcorn, northwich, scarboro, boston and be grateful.
I'm not entirely sure how you come to that conclusion, apart from blind faith and positive thinking.
While Nuneaton are doing OK this season, it's with an entirely revamped side, and I don't see Telford and Alfreton pulling up any trees. Or Tamworth, or Hyde, or Stockport County. In fact, the only recently relegated teams to have returned are Barrow (bankrolled and revamped) and Telford (hmmm).
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Who is this 47 year old from Sale?????
Still no response.
What a complete xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Glad you responded in the way you did Mark
I was so angry, and upset with such a post.
Waiting for this non Alty fan to respond.
Really. Yet it is alright for you to slag off other fans, myself included.
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It's really easy to highlight the negatives and the huge investment that is still needed in the ground
Its really hard to find an investor who wants to put the money in with no guarenteed return or no hidden agenda
Sadly sheiks don't grow on trees
In fact the hall is the single biggest investment we have seen for decades and we are still trying to pay the last of it to the best of my knowledge
This is a friendly warm club who welcome ideas and investment
We all want a better ground no doubt .. but at what cost ?
We do however have to stay up and should take some calculated risk to do so
We have been bitterly unlucky with injuries alongside poor recruitment in the summer
One last thing. . Great post ecky
on the injuries we were very lucky last season that maybe why we were 17th and now lower I'm sure the budget is higher than in the blue square north so I find it hard to believe are best players all played in the blue square north
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Great post Ecky! I couldn't find the words you did.
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I read this post this morning on my phone whilst at work.............flabbergasted to say the least. I just assumed it was the rantings of a very drunken, misinformed bitter and angry man. I did not think it deserved a reply but Ecky has obviously spent a lot of time responding on everyone else's behalf
Yes; mistakes are being made, yes we are in some trouble football-wise, yes there have been some strange decisions made with tactics and team selections, yes questions over budgets and money etc etc etc......but I think we are all 'on the same page' regarding the Sports Hall and the efforts of the Volunteers and the Board and their families
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Glad you responded in the way you did Mark
I was so angry, and upset with such a post.
Waiting for this non Alty fan to respond.
Really. Yet it is alright for you to slag off other fans, myself included.
Guess you must agree with this original post.
I find this strange because you are such a positive person!!
I love my club, and will do everything I can to help it go further.
It is so easy just to be negative
We have what we have.
If anybody thinks they can do better, come forward .
I'm sure the board would love to here from you.
I'm sure you know who I am.
Always open for a drink before, or after a game for a chat.
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One more thing - will people stop asking for investors. An investor is someone who puts money into something because they think they will be able to take more money out later than they put in. Anyone thinking that Alty is a good proposition for an investor is off their rocker - or the investor is going to shaft us somehow eg running off with the Duncan sell on money if / when it appears.
What we would appreciate is a benefactor - someone willing to put more money in than they take out. Not necessarily an over the top one (FGR / Canvey Island / Gretna etc) but someone who would put something in without changing the ethos of the Alty family / community club we have evolved into. No, I don't know where we can find any of those either but dressing it up as an 'investment' is silly.
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I watched Alty in the 80's as teenager then moved away for a bit, came back in 2005 or so. Personally I love this club and like that it is run by people who know how to budget and keep the club on the straight and narrow.
I also like the fact that I can approach players, managers, supporters and board members, ask a question and get an answer.
Ecky's post is as usual very good and well observed, his comments do not require validation from me, but...
This year we hired the CSH for my daughters 18th, it is near impossible to get a venue to host an 18th these days. We had a great night, Ritchie made a great buffet - enough to feed a few more than we had. Value for money it was great and hopefully it put a few quid into the club, we had around 70 people attend and only 4 of us were Alty fans; however at least 6 of those people have been to an Alty game now. While our one night will not fund promotion to the league, there will be amny others like over the coming years that will help to fund the club. The CSH is a great asset to the club, we would not have hired the old bar.
Another point raised was about regional football. I personally was quite happy winning games in the Conference North and was unsure if promotion was a good thing (aside of the actual moment we won promotion which was EPIC); however I have really enjoyed the last couple seasons and admit that I was wrong. The National league may be as far as we can hope to acheive, add in a couple of decent cup runs and we are doing OK.
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I agree with most of that though I do feel to many of the squad separate themselves from the fans,there are obvious exceptions
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The community image that we've done so well to develop over recent seasons could reap huge rewards in a few years, we could be in for a massive influx of young teenagers through the gates. We don't need someone to come in and provide financial backing to capitalise on that.
I'm of the 'free ticket in the Messenger' era. Others got theirs at the Leisure Centre. As far as I'm aware we offer neither to Under 16's anymore. I think we're missing out there because although the majority of our group probably would have gone anyway, we managed to tempt countless friends into coming along with that incentive in mind. They came because they had nothing else to do, they stayed because they caught the bug.
With a strategic advertising plan centred around marketing the club as the place to spend your Saturday (be it as a youngster or as a family), I'm positive that we'd see a great number more through the turnstiles. The foundations are already there with the countless junior teams.
Outside of the football league we are undoubtedly the biggest football club in Greater Manchester. FC United don't count. The nation's interest in non league football is growing by the season, for some this will develop into a romance. More and more are looking elsewhere. The south Manchester area need look no further than Altrincham for a non league fix really.
Obviously all of this would be a lot easier provided we continue to compete at National level. Stay in this league mixing it with the big boys and we could develop a right bit of a charm.
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Stockport County surely bigger
Salford City taking over from FCUM as media darlings
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Stockport County surely bigger
Salford City taking over from FCUM as media darlings
Oh, of course County are bigger than us. But they're a League club with all kinds of problems. I just kind of disregarded them because I was thinking about the realms of traditional non-league sides, within which we are a better choice for the floating fan. If its the non-league experience that you want then we should be the #1 choice in Greater Manchester, was the point I was trying to make.
The floating fan, as it stands, should be choosing us over Stockport at the moment. If they aren't then we need to look at what we are doing wrong.
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What we would appreciate is a benefactor - someone willing to put more money in than they take out. Not necessarily an over the top one (FGR / Canvey Island / Gretna etc) but someone who would put something in without changing the ethos of the Alty family / community club we have evolved into. No, I don't know where we can find any of those either but dressing it up as an 'investment' is silly.
Well, we've had at least one benefactor for a few years: Carole Nash.
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There is one thing for everyone to concentrate on and that is staying in this league.
If the worst happens we will be well placed to come back up...we will be a top 5 'FCN' side
The bar community hall is magnificent, the kids around alty in replica kits is a legacy for this board which will last for years.
Onwards and upwards
Take a look at Runcorn, northwich, scarboro, boston and be grateful.
I take your point about Runcorn, Vics and Scarborough but Boston United could quite feasibly swap places with us at the end of this season.
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Without trying to create an arguement here - there is also Morecambe, Burton, Fleetwood and Accrington - some suggar daddy dependant others not so much
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Glad you responded in the way you did Mark
I was so angry, and upset with such a post.
Waiting for this non Alty fan to respond.
Really. Yet it is alright for you to slag off other fans, myself included.
You reap what you sow
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Glad you responded in the way you did Mark
I was so angry, and upset with such a post.
Waiting for this non Alty fan to respond.
Really. Yet it is alright for you to slag off other fans, myself included.
Wayne beat me to it. It's a bit rich coming from the rudest man on this forum, who seldom censors his opinions on anything or anyone. Brian is a nice fella and doesn't deserve to have you of all people pointing fingers at him.
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Glad you responded in the way you did Mark
I was so angry, and upset with such a post.
Waiting for this non Alty fan to respond.
Really. Yet it is alright for you to slag off other fans, myself included.
Guess you must agree with this original post.
I find this strange because you are such a positive person!!
I love my club, and will do everything I can to help it go further.
It is so easy just to be negative
We have what we have.
If anybody thinks they can do better, come forward .
I'm sure the board would love to here from you.
I'm sure you know who I am.
Always open for a drink before, or after a game for a chat.
Absolutely NOT. I also love this club which I have supported for 32 years.
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Without trying to create an arguement here - there is also Morecambe, Burton, Fleetwood and Accrington - some suggar daddy dependant others not so much
Doing a little bit of research:
Morecambe lost about £1.8m in the 3 seasons to 2013/4. They are largely propped up by directors loans. They are cutting costs and aim to break even by this season.
Burton made about £100k profit in both 2013/4 and 2012/3 which helped recover a £300k loss in 2011/2. They are debt free. Big income from their stadium and community work.
Fleetwood are heavily bankrolled by Andy Pilley. Has put over £10m in over the last decade.
Accrington had their £1.2 million debt cleared in October by one of their creditors who put another £600k in for cashflow
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Without trying to create an arguement here - there is also Morecambe, Burton, Fleetwood and Accrington - some suggar daddy dependant others not so much
Doing a little bit of research:
Morecambe lost about £1.8m in the 3 seasons to 2013/4. They are largely propped up by directors loans. They are cutting costs and aim to break even by this season.
Burton made about £100k profit in both 2013/4 and 2012/3 which helped recover a £300k loss in 2011/2. They are debt free. Big income from their stadium and community work.
Fleetwood are heavily bankrolled by Andy Pilley. Has put over £10m in over the last decade.
Accrington had their £1.2 million debt cleared in October by one of their creditors who put another £600k in for cashflow
Bloody Hell.
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The community image that we've done so well to develop over recent seasons could reap huge rewards in a few years, we could be in for a massive influx of young teenagers through the gates. We don't need someone to come in and provide financial backing to capitalise on that.
I'm of the 'free ticket in the Messenger' era. Others got theirs at the Leisure Centre. As far as I'm aware we offer neither to Under 16's anymore. I think we're missing out there because although the majority of our group probably would have gone anyway, we managed to tempt countless friends into coming along with that incentive in mind. They came because they had nothing else to do, they stayed because they caught the bug.
With a strategic advertising plan centred around marketing the club as the place to spend your Saturday (be it as a youngster or as a family), I'm positive that we'd see a great number more through the turnstiles. The foundations are already there with the countless junior teams.
Outside of the football league we are undoubtedly the biggest football club in Greater Manchester. FC United don't count. The nation's interest in non league football is growing by the season, for some this will develop into a romance. More and more are looking elsewhere. The south Manchester area need look no further than Altrincham for a non league fix really.
Obviously all of this would be a lot easier provided we continue to compete at National level. Stay in this league mixing it with the big boys and we could develop a right bit of a charm.
FCUM we're sick of hearing about. People mock them for their idea of Punk football and 'the inventors of non league football - but they know how to squeeze every drop out of that disenfranchised fan. FCUM from branding p.o.v may as well be known as Punk Football FC. Everything is set up around this, and it's an advertisers dream to have get a nugget like that.
I think branding ourselves as a community club is ok. Branding ourselves as the town's club - the place you should and need to be every other saturday should be our aim.
Kid's should be talking about the result or the next game in form rooms and common rooms, alongside the city and united scores.
A brand is more powerful than a good product.
Its all well and good us having these community assets, but we need to market them.
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Without trying to create an arguement here - there is also Morecambe, Burton, Fleetwood and Accrington - some suggar daddy dependant others not so much
Doing a little bit of research:
Morecambe lost about £1.8m in the 3 seasons to 2013/4. They are largely propped up by directors loans. They are cutting costs and aim to break even by this season.
Burton made about £100k profit in both 2013/4 and 2012/3 which helped recover a £300k loss in 2011/2. They are debt free. Big income from their stadium and community work.
Fleetwood are heavily bankrolled by Andy Pilley. Has put over £10m in over the last decade.
Accrington had their £1.2 million debt cleared in October by one of their creditors who put another £600k in for cashflow
Can you imagine the kind of mind(s) that spend £12 million on Fleetwood and Accrington respectively?
In any other walk of life they would be locked up for their own safety. It's the equivalent of stapling your scrotum to the ceiling.
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Without trying to create an arguement here - there is also Morecambe, Burton, Fleetwood and Accrington - some suggar daddy dependant others not so much
Doing a little bit of research:
Morecambe lost about £1.8m in the 3 seasons to 2013/4. They are largely propped up by directors loans. They are cutting costs and aim to break even by this season.
Burton made about £100k profit in both 2013/4 and 2012/3 which helped recover a £300k loss in 2011/2. They are debt free. Big income from their stadium and community work.
Fleetwood are heavily bankrolled by Andy Pilley. Has put over £10m in over the last decade.
Accrington had their £1.2 million debt cleared in October by one of their creditors who put another £600k in for cashflow
Thanks Bob for the research..............Burton is the model to follow then
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I'd happily follow either model to be in the football league. I'm not interested in the moral high ground anymore.
So what if they're propped up by directors. But they'll pull out I hear you say? These are nwcl, npl clubs above us for God's sake.
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Well said Ballers
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100% correct
Don't understand our complex about other clubs having money. Its the way of the world
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100% correct
Don't understand our complex about other clubs having money. Its the way of the world
We just want success and money often brings it but not, guarenteed ie Barrow
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I noticed during the recent FA Cup coverage that Whitehawk are bank-rolled by a group of local business men. As we are in one of the most affluent areas in the country, do we actively try to encourage a similar investment? I'd be happy with this as long as everything remains in control of the current Board.
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I noticed during the recent FA Cup coverage that Whitehawk are bank-rolled by a group of local business men. As we are in one of the most affluent areas in the country, do we actively try to encourage a similar investment? I'd be happy with this as long as everything remains in control of the current Board.
No we don't. The current board hate external investment and veto any involvement of anybody willing to put in more than £100. I live in an affluent area, didn't mean I can afford to bankroll a football club.
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the current whitehawk benefactors are currently trying to change the club's name to brighton city......do we want this?....do we want to follow Manchester Town?
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the current whitehawk benefactors are currently trying to change the club's name to brighton city......do we want this?....do we want to follow Manchester Town?
No I for one wouldnt go if there was ever a name chage but it wouldnt be Manchester Town anyway
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I wonder if the fans of Broadheath FC refused to go when they changed their name to Altrincham FC back in the 1890s
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I refeuse to go to another game until our name is corrected to Altringham Town and our stadium rightly referred to as Moss Rose.
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I think the name changing is a bit extreme people just brainwashed about outside investment
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Agreed
How many teams have had investment, and how many have changed their names?
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One last time...
First and most important - please accept my sincere apology for the more thoughtless parts of my original post. I could have put it better, but I was angry, sorry.
Second, and nearly as important, thank you Mark and co for your considerate and thoughtful replies to a post that quite frankly didn't deserve them.
Thank you for making my mind up to find another club to support. I have enjoyed watching Alty and I wish you well. I wasn't born an Alty fan, I chose to become one when I moved to the area, that is my excuse. I'll spend my few hundred quid a year elsewhere.
I simply cannot continue to support a club with no ambition. Even a crack at the Trophy would have been enough. If the die-hards cannot see beyond being an asset to the community that hosts yoga, Pilates and old folks doms, then Alty is not for me. I understand nice friendly steady Mr Rowley and co have done a splendid job and work very hard and are true heroes for what they have done getting the club back to a steady place. But it's not for me. I'll probably choose to support one of the clubs you all love to take the piss out of, no doubt!
One last thought...
Can't you scrape a few hundred quid together to replace the highly embarrassing bogs at the away end? It lets the place down severely.
An ex-building site portable building wouldn't cost the earth. They even come in red.
Up the Robins, farewell and take care.🙂
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You can try the lot who take an EDL flag
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Bye
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Gutted.
Life must carry on though.
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How will the club ever recover from being dumped by a middle aged SC**thorpe fan. We might as well close the gates tomorrow.
Go away, don't come back and take your ridiculous self-serving platitude with you.
PS-It's not nor has it ever been 'your' Alty.
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My moneys on FCUM
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All the best I hope you find your multi million quid bank rolled club soon
It's Woking at home for us next me being poor and that will be going
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Well that's ruined my Sunday. I'm going down to my garden shed for a damn good cry.
Can we make sure an ad goes in the SC**thorpe local paper for a replacement disillusioned Scunny fan to report to Moss Lane asap, otherwise we may have to call the Woking game off.
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Classic NLL
Bye Felicia
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Well if that's one idiot gone from here then that's a positive start.
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I think he makes a few good points actually. I don't blame him for going to 'support' (watch) someone else and get more enjoyment out of his Saturday afternoon. As he states he chose to watch Alty after moving to the area and if he's not enjoying it he has every right to go and spend his hard earned cash watching someone else, I've been an Alty fan born and bred for over 35 years and I'm getting totally bored with the club at the moment! He won't be the only floating 'fan' that chooses to go somewhere else for their footy fix instead of watching the drivel we continue to serve up. I'd say the slating of the CSH is a bit harsh but overall he talks alot of sense IMO and we're only going in one direction at the moment and it's not up!
Edit..The majority of replies to this chap make Alty fans look arrogant!
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I think he makes a few good points actually. I don't blame him for going to 'support' (watch) someone else and get more enjoyment out of his Saturday afternoon. As he states he chose to watch Alty after moving to the area and if he's not enjoying it he has every right to go and spend his hard earned cash watching someone else, I've been an Alty fan born and bred for over 35 years and I'm getting totally bored with the club at the moment! He won't be the only floating 'fan' that chooses to go somewhere else for their footy fix instead of watching the drivel we continue to serve up. I'd say the slating of the CSH is a bit harsh but overall he talks alot of sense IMO and we're only going in one direction at the moment and it's not up!
Edit..The majority of replies to this chap make Alty fans look arrogant!
What I find odd is that in the 30 years I have followed us, this club has been in far, far, worse positions than this. Threats of closure, crisis meetings, boardroom splits, awful gates, getting hammered at the bottom end of the Unibond, scraping into Conference North on the last day, zero involvement with the town, minimal off the pitch facilities, massive financial problems, the team travelling to away games in cars. This encompasses a fair bit of the last 25 years or so. Yet you stuck with Alty during all that and now you are getting totally bored...
Before I am accused of being brainwashed, or a happy clapper, or content to plod along.... I hate it when we lose, I will be gutted if we are relegated, and I want us to do as well as possible. Its perfectly healthy to want better and things have indeed been better at times also. I just think a little context is needed in all of this.
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I think he makes a few good points actually. I don't blame him for going to 'support' (watch) someone else and get more enjoyment out of his Saturday afternoon. As he states he chose to watch Alty after moving to the area and if he's not enjoying it he has every right to go and spend his hard earned cash watching someone else, I've been an Alty fan born and bred for over 35 years and I'm getting totally bored with the club at the moment! He won't be the only floating 'fan' that chooses to go somewhere else for their footy fix instead of watching the drivel we continue to serve up. I'd say the slating of the CSH is a bit harsh but overall he talks alot of sense IMO and we're only going in one direction at the moment and it's not up!
Edit..The majority of replies to this chap make Alty fans look arrogant!
excellent post, 100% agree with this
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Sorry, but I cannot understand the mentality of "I'm just off to support a different team!"
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Good post Bob. I'm at a low ebb right now, but I remain Alty forever.
"I took the good times......I'll take the bad times".
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Sorry, but I cannot understand the mentality of "I'm just off to support a different team!"
It's the difference between supporting a club, and just watching a neutral game of football.
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Sorry, but I cannot understand the mentality of "I'm just off to support a different team!"
Nor me, you can change jobs, partners, pretty much anything apart from your team. I tried once, years ago when I thought Maunders was going to close us down but it just didn't work.
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I think he makes a few good points actually. I don't blame him for going to 'support' (watch) someone else and get more enjoyment out of his Saturday afternoon. As he states he chose to watch Alty after moving to the area and if he's not enjoying it he has every right to go and spend his hard earned cash watching someone else, I've been an Alty fan born and bred for over 35 years and I'm getting totally bored with the club at the moment! He won't be the only floating 'fan' that chooses to go somewhere else for their footy fix instead of watching the drivel we continue to serve up. I'd say the slating of the CSH is a bit harsh but overall he talks alot of sense IMO and we're only going in one direction at the moment and it's not up!
Edit..The majority of replies to this chap make Alty fans look arrogant!
What I find odd is that in the 30 years I have followed us, this club has been in far, far, worse positions than this. Threats of closure, crisis meetings, boardroom splits, awful gates, getting hammered at the bottom end of the Unibond, scraping into Conference North on the last day, zero involvement with the town, minimal off the pitch facilities, massive financial problems, the team travelling to away games in cars. This encompasses a fair bit of the last 25 years or so. Yet you stuck with Alty during all that and now you are getting totally bored...
Before I am accused of being brainwashed, or a happy clapper, or content to plod along.... I hate it when we lose, I will be gutted if we are relegated, and I want us to do as well as possible. Its perfectly healthy to want better and things have indeed been better at times also. I just think a little context is needed in all of this.
You're spot on Bob. I honestly think half the reason people are bored at the minute is because we have had so many ups and downs recently, a period of off the pitch success and a natural steadying of where we are in the non-league pile. It just isn't as exciting as closure meetings etc. As Ecky has said beforehand, sometimes it seems like we need a crisis for people to sit up and take note.
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I think he makes a few good points actually. I don't blame him for going to 'support' (watch) someone else and get more enjoyment out of his Saturday afternoon. As he states he chose to watch Alty after moving to the area and if he's not enjoying it he has every right to go and spend his hard earned cash watching someone else, I've been an Alty fan born and bred for over 35 years and I'm getting totally bored with the club at the moment! He won't be the only floating 'fan' that chooses to go somewhere else for their footy fix instead of watching the drivel we continue to serve up. I'd say the slating of the CSH is a bit harsh but overall he talks alot of sense IMO and we're only going in one direction at the moment and it's not up!
Edit..The majority of replies to this chap make Alty fans look arrogant!
What I find odd is that in the 30 years I have followed us, this club has been in far, far, worse positions than this. Threats of closure, crisis meetings, boardroom splits, awful gates, getting hammered at the bottom end of the Unibond, scraping into Conference North on the last day, zero involvement with the town, minimal off the pitch facilities, massive financial problems, the team travelling to away games in cars. This encompasses a fair bit of the last 25 years or so. Yet you stuck with Alty during all that and now you are getting totally bored...
Before I am accused of being brainwashed, or a happy clapper, or content to plod along.... I hate it when we lose, I will be gutted if we are relegated, and I want us to do as well as possible. Its perfectly healthy to want better and things have indeed been better at times also. I just think a little context is needed in all of this.
You're spot on Bob. I honestly think half the reason people are bored at the minute is because we have had so many ups and downs recently, a period of off the pitch success and a natural steadying of where we are in the non-league pile. It just isn't as exciting as closure meetings etc. As Ecky has said beforehand, sometimes it seems like we need a crisis for people to sit up and take note.
No need for a crisis,I'd settle for some decent football and a manager that's got half an idea what to do!
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I think he makes a few good points actually. I don't blame him for going to 'support' (watch) someone else and get more enjoyment out of his Saturday afternoon. As he states he chose to watch Alty after moving to the area and if he's not enjoying it he has every right to go and spend his hard earned cash watching someone else, I've been an Alty fan born and bred for over 35 years and I'm getting totally bored with the club at the moment! He won't be the only floating 'fan' that chooses to go somewhere else for their footy fix instead of watching the drivel we continue to serve up. I'd say the slating of the CSH is a bit harsh but overall he talks alot of sense IMO and we're only going in one direction at the moment and it's not up!
Edit..The majority of replies to this chap make Alty fans look arrogant!
What I find odd is that in the 30 years I have followed us, this club has been in far, far, worse positions than this. Threats of closure, crisis meetings, boardroom splits, awful gates, getting hammered at the bottom end of the Unibond, scraping into Conference North on the last day, zero involvement with the town, minimal off the pitch facilities, massive financial problems, the team travelling to away games in cars. This encompasses a fair bit of the last 25 years or so. Yet you stuck with Alty during all that and now you are getting totally bored...
Before I am accused of being brainwashed, or a happy clapper, or content to plod along.... I hate it when we lose, I will be gutted if we are relegated, and I want us to do as well as possible. Its perfectly healthy to want better and things have indeed been better at times also. I just think a little context is needed in all of this.
You're spot on Bob. I honestly think half the reason people are bored at the minute is because we have had so many ups and downs recently, a period of off the pitch success and a natural steadying of where we are in the non-league pile. It just isn't as exciting as closure meetings etc. As Ecky has said beforehand, sometimes it seems like we need a crisis for people to sit up and take note.
would relegation not be a crisis?
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No
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I think he makes a few good points actually. I don't blame him for going to 'support' (watch) someone else and get more enjoyment out of his Saturday afternoon. As he states he chose to watch Alty after moving to the area and if he's not enjoying it he has every right to go and spend his hard earned cash watching someone else, I've been an Alty fan born and bred for over 35 years and I'm getting totally bored with the club at the moment! He won't be the only floating 'fan' that chooses to go somewhere else for their footy fix instead of watching the drivel we continue to serve up. I'd say the slating of the CSH is a bit harsh but overall he talks alot of sense IMO and we're only going in one direction at the moment and it's not up!
Edit..The majority of replies to this chap make Alty fans look arrogant!
What I find odd is that in the 30 years I have followed us, this club has been in far, far, worse positions than this. Threats of closure, crisis meetings, boardroom splits, awful gates, getting hammered at the bottom end of the Unibond, scraping into Conference North on the last day, zero involvement with the town, minimal off the pitch facilities, massive financial problems, the team travelling to away games in cars. This encompasses a fair bit of the last 25 years or so. Yet you stuck with Alty during all that and now you are getting totally bored...
Before I am accused of being brainwashed, or a happy clapper, or content to plod along.... I hate it when we lose, I will be gutted if we are relegated, and I want us to do as well as possible. Its perfectly healthy to want better and things have indeed been better at times also. I just think a little context is needed in all of this.
You're spot on Bob. I honestly think half the reason people are bored at the minute is because we have had so many ups and downs recently, a period of off the pitch success and a natural steadying of where we are in the non-league pile. It just isn't as exciting as closure meetings etc. As Ecky has said beforehand, sometimes it seems like we need a crisis for people to sit up and take note.
would relegation not be a crisis?
Perhaps not quite a crisis....but certainly a calamity.
To my mind, this is a much weaker division this season and, therefore, relegation would be unforgivable.
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Not even a calamity. Certainly undesirable, but nothing we wouldn't bounce back from fairly quickly.
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If we do go down it would be a shocking performance by both manager and players regardless of it being a crisis or calamity
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Not even a calamity. Certainly undesirable, but nothing we wouldn't bounce back from fairly quickly.
Agreed at least in part. Logically we belong in what I sometimes refer to as Club 18-30 - that means somewhere between 18th in the National League & 3rd in the North. The natural result of that is that we risk being a bit of a yo-yo club. That's a fact of economic life, I'm afraid. Live with it.
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Not even a calamity. Certainly undesirable, but nothing we wouldn't bounce back from fairly quickly.
I'd think the five or so sides that can outspend us in that league already and Kidderminster Salford city and cup rich blyth Spartans would have something to say about that... drop down out of what is the poorest conference national in a long time certainly would be a disaster and we wouldn't be back for a good while.
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Not even a calamity. Certainly undesirable, but nothing we wouldn't bounce back from fairly quickly.
I'd think the five or so sides that can outspend us in that league already and Kidderminster Salford city and cup rich blyth Spartans would have something to say about that... drop down out of what is the poorest conference national in a long time certainly would be a disaster and we wouldn't be back for a good while.
Agreed its still easier to stay in the conf prem than it would be to get back in
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Potentially the strongest north division in its hisory in terms of size of clubs and spending power. Could be down there for a long time even if we could compete financially.
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Not even a calamity. Certainly undesirable, but nothing we wouldn't bounce back from fairly quickly.
Agreed at least in part. Logically we belong in what I sometimes refer to as Club 18-30 - that means somewhere between 18th in the National League & 3rd in the North. The natural result of that is that we risk being a bit of a yo-yo club. That's a fact of economic life, I'm afraid. Live with it.
the trouble is although we are doing well for fans the younger fans won't live with it and you can't blame them
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You quit one week early you missed a cracker .. Oh well