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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: JackSwindells No 1 Fan on December 11, 2010, 02:58:33 PM
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Afternoon all... this could be a difficult afternoon.
C'mon Alty
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. Stuart COBURN, 2. James SMITH, 4. Marc JOSEPH, 5. Robbie WILLIAMS, 15. Ryan BROWN, 6. Shaun DENSMORE, 25. Matt SOMNER, 17. Wes BAYNES, 11. Nicky CLEE, 10. Chris DENHAM, 19. Mark BEESLEY. Subs: 21. James COATES, 9. Michael TWISS, 16. Anthony DANYLYK, 12. Kevin HOLSGROVE, 20. Sam HEWSON
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HI EVERYONE
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I like the look of that team. Didn't rate Milne in the H&Y and Bath games and having Denham and Clee back looks good up front.
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Hi Harold, just the two of us so far!
What's your prediction?
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I like the look of that team. Didn't rate Milne in the H&Y and Bath games and having Denham and Clee back looks good up front.
I thought Milne looked ok at H&Y. Certainly good to see Smith playing though and I agree completely about having Denham and Clee.
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He looked reasonable at H&Y but at Bath it became clear that while he is often in the right place defensively he never does anything when he gets there. He just shadowed the winger until he took it past him and never actually tackled anybody!
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What's your prediction?
I'll settle for anything-nil. I think the defence need a clean sheet more than the front men need a goal (but both would be nice).
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1-0 down.
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What's your prediction?
I'll settle for anything-nil. I think the defence need a clean sheet more than the front men need a goal (but both would be nice).
Sorry all. I feel totally responsible.
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i did try and say 1-1 with us winning the replay 3-0
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Let's see what that's done to the confidence. The attacking aspect of the team must get us something surely?
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Afternoon all. Not at all the start we wanted. We really need to get something today.
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Doesn't sound like it's getting any better
"15; still 1-0 to Curzon but two Coburn saves prevented worse damage "
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Sounds like Stu is keeping us in it at the mo and Hi SW
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I have absolutely no confidence at the moment.. I hope the 11 on the pitch have.
I'm dreading my ball sponsorship on Jan 1... hard to be upbeat & cheerful these days, positives are few and far between.
We really need to dispose of teams like Curzon, especially in this competition.
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Afternoon lads.
With the attacking options we have on the field won't be long til we're scoring!
COME ON ALTY!!!!
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Afternoon H. Could be another long one,hope not.
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Have been dreading this game TBH. Not started well either..... :'(
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Power cut at the ground. Curzen the better team they should be 3 up.
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Let your 1000th post be in celebration of an Alty goal altyusa.
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Power cut! Are they still playing?
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Power cut at the ground. Curzen the better team they should be 3 up.
One of ours sneak some pliers in then!
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they need the power cable shoving up their a*ses might get em playing then
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Let your 1000th post be in celebration of an Alty goal altyusa.
Steve, didn't even notice! Lets hope so, this is 999!
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Whole of Ashton out not just the ground.
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They'll surely need the lights on soon if not already?
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2-0.
Maybe the powercut can get the game called off?
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Oh good grief, how on earth do we get out of this rut?
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BLAST IT,'we should be beating teams like these'
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The home team want it more.
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at least JL has mis typed an update..
40 Clee sh*t saved; rumoured to be a power cut
40; 2-0 as Edghill takes advantage of Densmore error to score at near post
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2 1 Beezley
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2-1 Keeper OG
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A very good time to get one back.
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1 BACK AT LEAST
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Sounds like the bit of luck that might just turn things round? Com eon Alty!
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all we can hopefor now is abandonment.
I'm not one for moaning too much but this bunch of players are not good enough... they may have talent but aren't committed tothe cause anymore.
even at only 2-1 down
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Come ON!!
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My chestnuts taste nice ;D
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Barrow 3 down at home vs Guisley!
York losing to Boston Utd
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Come on York.
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JL report suggests abandinment likely
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I presume H&S considerations if no power irrespective of floodlighting issues.
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HT officials and managers debating what to do as power cut continues - from Official Site
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I presume H&S considerations if no power irrespective of floodlighting issues.
The lack of Floodlights is a H&S consideration - it cannot be safe for players with insufficient illumination
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4.20pm has been set as deadline for the game to restart; otherwise it will be abandoned
from JL
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I presume H&S considerations if no power irrespective of floodlighting issues.
The lack of Floodlights is a H&S consideration - it cannot be safe for players with insufficient illumination
Agreed but you can suspend play. The other issues will involve spectators being able to leave safely, although escape lighting should have a battery back up, as should fire alarms/detectors.
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Absolutely
The egress must have a backup power supply to comply with Ground Licensing Requirements
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DOES THAT MEAN ALL OUR POSTS ON HERE will get wiped ??
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Expunged Harold, expunged! ;D
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Expunged Harold, expunged! ;D
Can I get Custard on that?
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Are you JD, are you JD, are you JD in disguise
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I fear that JD may be hugely offended by that
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Talking of which, odd he's not here?
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Crawley losing at home 2 nil to Dartford!
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4.18pm still no power - From JL site
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Abandoned
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all over phew
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Trying Again Tuesday
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what happens to the money i have bet on the game ?
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lets hope the team perform better then
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what happens to the money i have bet on the game ?
Usually the bet is void and money returned.
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Looks like a let off for us. Let's hope we can do better on Tuesday!
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Thank christ for that, hopefully KM can sort it out by Tues night
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I fear that JD may be hugely offended by that
Au contraire! Proud, very proud!
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Absolute diatribe today. We didn't look interested (except Clee). On that performance we deserve to be in the Evo Stik league! We should have been 5-0 down before we scored.....
The loanees aren't performing. Baynes is powderpuff... Even our "better" players aren't on it - Densmore at fault for their second.
Thank god for the power cut today... It would have been a very black day for Alty.
Lets hope that Alty turn up on Tuesday....
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The players dodged a bullet today,the fans have been very understanding and supportive so far,but i dread to think what the 300+ travelling fans reaction to a defeat today might have been,we can take being bossed by ex league outfits,but that today was NOT acceptable on any level.
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Just what is going on?
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The players dodged a bullet today,the fans have been very understanding and supportive so far,but i dread to think what the 300+ travelling fans reaction to a defeat today might have been,we can take being bossed by ex league outfits,but that today was NOT acceptable on any level
300 I did`nt think we had anything like that amount there, I was quite disappointed with the amount of our support there today?
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Absolute disgrace.
Baynes and Somner just aren't arsed, please send them back.
I'm assuming Barrow wouln't allow Milne to play.
Joseph looked like he'd never played at anything other than Sunday league level.
How Danylyk can sit and watch that sh*t and not just get his coat I know not
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I only hope that Reeves is injured, 'cos if our leading goalscorer can't make the bench there's something wrong.
I'd like to think that we've had a let off but I fear it will be the same on Tuesday.
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Say somthing about kittens
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A whole litter of them in our side today
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Absolute disgrace.
Baynes and Somner just aren't arsed, please send them back.
I'm assuming Barrow wouln't allow Milne to play.
Joseph looked like he'd never played at anything other than Sunday league level.
How Danylyk can sit and watch that sh*t and not just get his coat I know not
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I only hope that Reeves is injured, 'cos if our leading goalscorer can't make the bench there's something wrong.
I'd like to think that we've had a let off but I fear it will be the same on Tuesday.
I think that just about sums it up.
Only thing is that I dont actually think Curzon are any good (i know we're not) so I think we'll win on Tuesday
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Milne, Lawton, Reeves and Welch all available but obviously not selected. Perhaps having seen the first half performance today even Ken can't come to the conclusion that the midfield played well. No doubt with the power cut it appears that Ken's get out of jail card was played.
Clee at least played with heart but as for the rest words fail me.
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I would drop all our defenders todays except for Smith who I would play as sweeper, which is surely his best position
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I think Beesley showed glimpses of being a striker...
Joseph and Brown should be told not to bother coming again.
I dont like singling anyone out but I'd like DNA proof that the Marc Jospeh we have played a football league game.
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Absolutely PATHETIC performance today. Based on what we saw, I honestly believe that we will not get another league point this season.When Ken and the players were jogging round at 4.15, I shouted to them "Saved from embarrassment", to which Ken replied " You're not wrong".How low can we go? >:( >:( >:(
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How low can we go? >:( >:( >:(
Runcorn
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Was not there today but these sound like very desperate times for us- have we any chance of bringing any new faces in at all or do we simply have no money at all to spend?
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Was not there today but these sound like very desperate times for us- have we any chance of bringing any new faces in at all or do we simply have no money at all to spend?
Its more the fact that some total sh*t has been put on a contract and I am pretty sure will be hapy to sit in the stand and collect their money if needs be.
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After watching todays performance, this would be the team I would pick, purely for the replay on Tuesday. I think the defence would be tighter (not difficult) and the rest of the team would cause them far to many problems, and the battering I predicted would happen.
Coburn
Danylyk Smith Welch Densmore
Denham Lawton Hewson Clee
Beesley Twiss/Reeves
Looking forward to the replies from some of you kittens
here kitty kitty
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Let's revisit the past two seasons when Alty had two very creditable finishes. With Lawton and Danylyk in the middle we at least stopped the opposition and worked back to support the defence. Is Ken too pig headed to revert to this and at least cut out the ease which opponents are driving through at will. Loanees are supposed to add more to a team, I see no better with the likes of Somner and Baynes than the options we have had at our disposal. One things for sure, if Alty do drop into BSN, they will find it difficult at best to return to the Conference Premier.
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I would like to thank the club Vicar Andy Barclay-Watts i asked him to ask him up stairs for help...........So he did and cut the power ;D ;D
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I would drop all our defenders todays except for Smith who I would play as sweeper, which is surely his best position
Agree with that, Smithy is our best defender by a mile and needs to be at DC. Drop the rest.
RB: Densmore
DC: Smith
DC: Welch
LB: God knows, when the hell is Doughty back? Please!
sod getting new right wingers like Baynes and new forwards like Beesley, we need people who can defend.
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LB: God knows, when the hell is Doughty back? Please!
When he's grown 6 inches
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Was not there today but these sound like very desperate times for us- have we any chance of bringing any new faces in at all or do we simply have no money at all to spend?
Its more the fact that some total sh*t has been put on a contract and I am pretty sure will be hapy to sit in the stand and collect their money if needs be.
Which players are on a contract at the club out of interest?- I know Twiss is
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KM please select a different team on Teusday, one with a bit of heart and desire. Curzon were hungrier and quicker to the ball than us. Only Cleee showed some desire. What a waste of money today, and the traffic getting out!
Come on Alty
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Saw a decent ground today.......the only positive. Took an hour to get back to Alty, seriously considering skipping Tuesday
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We're used to the concept of the AGM Cup. Well today, we won the FAT Shield. FAT doesn't stand for Football Association Trophy. It stands for F*ck All Tuesday, which is what we're certain to get if we put in another performance like this afternoon's pathetic effort.
Only Smith and Clee emerge with real credit, and Beesley, Densmore and Somner were at least average.
Baynes : Sky blue boots ? GLOVES ? ? Only needs a bloody snood to look the complete T**t he played like.
Brown : A one-footed embarrassment - can't even provide the basics.
Joseph : I've seen him play worse, but I've seen Sunday League players play better.
Denham : Assuming we have the same ref for the replay, I hope he's sufficiently embarrassed to have been rumbled when he gave up chasing a 50-50 ball and fell over holding his face, NOT TO TRY IT AGAIN ! Should have been booked for simulation. He is NOT a "through the middle" striker and shouldn't be wasted as such.
Williams : I have never seen him so badly embarrassed. Their guy gave him a total nightmare. His complaint to the linesman was laughable, and was treated as such !
Coburn : Yes he made some good stops, but I thought his handling was dodgy, and his positioning on the opener was awful.
Curzon are a tidy team, but we should still be beating the likes of them. And a word for the officials today - I thought they worked well as a unit, and couldn't be faulted.
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today was a big let off for us,lets hope the players relise this and come out fighting and win this tie,WE NEED the money from a good run in this competition
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today was a big let off for us,lets hope the players relise this and come out fighting and win this tie,WE NEED the money from a good run in this competition
Plus a run would give us a bit of confidence
I'd like to see us stick with denham and beesley for a few games, from what i saw today, they did show some promise today together.
I would (even if we do get hammered) try and build some partnerships around the team - keep two the cm/cb/strikers together (providing injuries doesnt stop this). I know after getting beat the first reaction is to change, and i understand that, however perhaps trying to re-build from the basics. getting a spine sorted is our first issue...
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Well, there are no more excuses to hide behind for that disgraceful display at Curzon Ashton.
They are not full-time.
They are not being paid more than our players.
They simply wanted to win the game more.
I was ashamed of Altrincham's wretched performance.
What on earth was Coburn doing with his positioning of the wall for their first goal?
Everyone could see where the Curzon player was going to place the ball.
Alty's defence was an utter shambles.
Williams looks like Bambi on ice; Joseph needs to sod off back to Bethlehem with Mary and Jesus and Brown should be donated to Oxfam.
Abysmal.
The only player I would exonerate from a lambasting is Clee.
And don't get me started on the uninterested Baynes.
Gloves?!
What the hell is he going to do when it gets really cold?
I've seen more fight in a convention of Quakers.
This is getting beyond embarrassing.
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We need Danylyk and Lawton in the middle (if injuries allow)- while I agree they aren't the best footballers, at least they are willing to put in a shift for 90 minutes and rough up the opposition.
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This surely has to be our lineup on Tuesday night:
Coburn
Densmore Smith Welch Williams Clee
Denham Lawton Danylyk
Reeves Beesley
The midfield clearly needs to be beefed up and Danylyk has to start. I don't care about his attacking prowess, Clee MUST be a better left back than Ryan Brown and the above formation allows he and Densmore to get forward in any case. To send the same eleven players out there on Tuesday night (based on the reliable reports that I've heard) would be a total disgrace. Kenny didn't hesitate to make wholesale changes earlier in the season when players let him down. He must show the same strength of character now.
If Baynes and any other loan players aren't interested, f*ck them back off where they came from and let's bring some players in who've got the stomach for a fight. This is Altrincham, we pride ourselves on being a battling, never-say-die club. Players looking for an easy ride and a nice little earner need not apply.
GET OUT THERE ON TUESDAY NIGHT AND SHOW SOME PRIDE!
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Interesting line up but rest assured Ken will probably not change things because he is now in the position where to accept defeat on the quality of his loan signings he will lose face. The players you list were all available to start in that formation yesterday but Lawton left shortly after arriving, Welch & Reeves were obviously advised that they weren't in the squad and loanee Milne also was equally disappointed.
Granted Ken can't keep all the players happy but with the likes of Baynes / Somner not looking like they give a monkeys what message does it convey to the other squad members? No doubt Dean Saunders / David Holdsworth were rubbing their hands when they offloaded a couple of their wage earners to Alty.
This added to the fact that Doughty is now signed up at Witton Albion just goes to show what issues the club faces.
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Surely the fact that Matt Doughty has signed forms for Witton and dropped yet another league shows how far away from getting back to playing in the Conference he is?
A Nantwich fan came on here and said he was miles off the pace when he played for them.
We need to forget Matt Doughty I fear...harsh as that may be.
As I have said in another post, Tuesdays team should consist of players who actually want to play. Others should stay at home.
All the loan players can sit in the stand for me...we tried with them and its not worked.
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One thing I have mentioned before about loan players - they are players who cannot get into their own BSP teams - maybe we need to look at loans from players who can't get into higher level teams.
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The problem with loan players is that they're full time pros, and many consider playing for a part time club to be beneath their dignity. Plus, when they're being asked to reinforce a team as poor as ours is right now, it doesn't do much to enhance their CV. As their agents are doubtless quick to point out !
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Atleast for now, we're still in the draw, perhaps a good draw might motivate the players?
I presume it's tomorrow?
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Atleast for now, we're still in the draw, perhaps a good draw might motivate the players?
I presume it's tomorrow?
It'll be Crawley away...
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Somehow Ken needs to find players who see a loan move to Alty being a positive step in their careers i.e. Ryan Shotton rather than disgruntled 'stars' who see the move to a part time club as a step down.
If he can't find such players he would be better off looking down the pyramid for scrappers as Ecky said.
What wouldn't we give for a back four of Scottie, Talbs, Mad Dog and Chrissy Adams in their pomp now. No flashy boots and bloody gloves with that lot.
I don't know what terms we have got Somner and that light weight from Wrexham on but whatever it is it's too much. Talk about going through the motions.
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Didn't go so I can't fully comment but I find it highly peculiar reading that Somner seemed uninterested, primarily because when he arrived he seemed like the fighting type which we are now calling for.
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When he arrived I agree he did seem to exactly what we were looking for.
I base my comment on the difference in effectiveness between the Fleetwood match where he was excellent and yesterday.
With his experience and ability he should have bossed midfield yesterday but unfortunately he was as anonymous as the rest.
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Surely the fact that Matt Doughty has signed forms for Witton and dropped yet another league shows how far away from getting back to playing in the Conference he is?
A Nantwich fan came on here and said he was miles off the pace when he played for them.
So is Ryan Brown.
But we keep playing him.
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so who'll be back on tuesday?
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I will be there and am hoping the players turn up this time. If any of the players are unsure where the ground is, the postcode is OL7 9HG. The Curzon Ashton website also has directions.
From what I saw on Saturday as long as we pick the right players we should be ok.
If any of you players are not up for it perhaps you should consider a career change!
We as supporters are paying good money and taking time and effort to support you home and away. I am sure I speak for the majority when I say that we can accept defeats if we see you trying your best.
On Saturday we may have turned it round in the second half (who knows) but the team`s first 45 minutes performance was disgraceful. You now have a golden opportunity on Tuesday to put it right, don`t let us down.
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Absolutely horrendous performance yesterday and have never been so glad to see a game abandoned in my life.
As mentioned above, Clee was the only player to come out of the game with any credit. We got a warning before their first goal, when we put a very poor looking defensive wall up for a free kick, which almost beat Stu. How Somner is in the side ahead of Danylyk and Lawton, I really do not know. Our top scorer spends every week wasting away on the bench, while the team doesnt really look like scoring, let alone winning a game.
Clearly players like Baynes, Somner, Brown and Joseph are not performing and should be moved on quickly to create room in the budget to strengthen the squad.
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Thats our third game in a row where stu's conceded (directly or bad save) from a free kick......
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I have refrained from posting on here about this, but after 2 full days I am still as lost, confused and completely baffled about what I witnessed on Saturday afternoon.
This was my first game of the season and whilst I had heard reports about how poor we were I didn't expect it to be as bad as it was. One worrying thing is that people have said that we have played worse this season, and if that is true then it is an absolute disgrace. The thing that is downright scary is the fact that someone mentioned they have seen Marc Joseph play worse. If THAT is true then I don't know what the hell our managers this season have been thinking whilst selecting him. That was the most inadequate display by any so called conference level centre back I have ever seen. Absolutely terrifying.
I'll comment on individuals and on areas as I saw it from someone that hasn't seen anything yet this season.
Coburn: Age is catching up with him. I know people have said how magnificent he was against bath etc and I still believe he can produce moments of absolute class however I would argue with the fact that he is a considerably better collector of crosses than Coates. He has never been the most commanding in the air and it seems as though he hardly ever gets off the ground. On Saturday his choice of wall formation was worrying at best.
Smith: Very anonymous game on Saturday. Still don't think he should be playing at right back and we saw him get drawn across to cover for the glaring errors by Marc Joseph and Rob Williams. I still think a 3 at the back with Smith to hold it all together is the best way forward. By far out best defender and was made to work a hell of a lot harder by incompetence from our centre backs. The best of a bad bunch on Saturday. Came out with more credit than the others.
Williams: Looks like a player severely lacking in confidence and without a commanding centre half partner giving advice as he goes. His distribution is poor and he just plays long balls up to the strikers. This smacks of a lack of confidence in the ball playing abilities of the midfield and yet another concern. Lack of confidence.
Joseph: As I said, absolutely woeful performance. Got turned every single time by a striker from a league 3 below ours. No heading ability, unable to clear properly, ended up on his arse more times than bambi on ice. Can not understand his inclusion in the side. Whether it was an attempt to make him realise he was better than EvoStick level and give him some confidence I don't know. Whatever it was it didn't work. In all of my time watching Alty I can't remember a single worse performance from any centre back of any team, especially in the conference. I am actually lost for words bad enough to describe that monstrosity. The only thing I can think is that he is actually retarded from the feet upwards. Dire.
Brown: Not good enough. That is all. Seems to have lost his will to get forward and help out Nickey Clee on the left. Seems to have lost his will to defend in any measure. I lost count of the number of times he got done by their winger and the amount of times he didn't manage to get forward and support. We seriously need a left back. I'd rather have Warren Peyton back there because at least he showed a bit of effort. Screw it, I'd rather have Andy Scott there than him at the minute. Didn't look arsed.
Baynes: I was very excited about the possibility of Baynes having an impact when he first arrived and it seems he showed a bit of promise at first from reports I heard. However, that seems to have totally disappeared in a matter of weeks and he was a complete passenger on Saturday. Absolutely worthless, had no composure on the ball, managed to get into a relatively decent position, cut inside and lost the ball as soon as it left his foot. Passing was atrocious. Work rate even worse. I'd send him back just for that performance alone. Didn't look arsed.
Densmore: Why is he not playing at right back/ right wingback? He created some openings on Saturday but a lack of movement from the forwards and other midfielders made it impossible to get the pass in. Doesn't want to shoot unless its within 15 yards of the goal and lost many an opportunity to test out a keeper that was determined to bat away as many shots as possible. He has a good cross on him and works well down the right. If it aint broke, don't fix it. By no means the worst player on the pitch. Doesn't mean it was a good performance though. Confused about this one. Also, If you read this Shaun, when you lose the ball or someone doesnt get a pass to you don't drop your head as if the worlds against you. Keep going and show some enthusiasm to win it back. That is all. Didn't look arsed enough.
Somner: Saw a lot of people getting on his back on Saturday, probably because he has shown some decent performances when he first came here. After a poor and anonymous half an hour he managed to salvage a little bit of my faith in him. Showed a few good touches and looked comfortable when holding the ball. Shame he didn't do it all the time. Didn't look arsed enough to try and win the ball back.
Clee: Our best player by far on Saturday. Looked like more of a threat with one movement than the rest of the midfield put together. Not as good as last years performances but not helped by a forward line that couldn't have been more static if they had been wearing lead boots. Only player that came out of it with any sort of credibility in my eyes.
Beesley: A quote from my Kiddy supporting mate before this match not knowing that he was at Alty on loan... "And then they brought on Beesley who is actually the biggest pile of sh*te striker I have ever seen. I feel genuinely sorry for whoever has him at the minute." Just about sums it up. Yes he got the goal. Off the post and keeper from a free header 6 yards out in the centre of the goal. Apart from that he lacked movement, the ability to hold the ball up, the ability to pass, the ability to shoot. Shocking, and didn't look arsed.
Denham: Definitely not an out and out through the middle striker. Much prefer him on the right side of a 3 up front or as a right mid. Made some good runs and looked as if he at least slightly wanted to do something half decent. Did a hard job infront of a midfield that, apart from Clee, created very little for the strikers.
DEFENCE:
We desperately need a commanding centre back and we need to get shot of Joseph ASAP how he managed to play 300 and something football league games is beyond me. We need a left back. Brown is just not good enough.
MIDFIELD:
Get densmore at right back again, get rid of Baynes. Get Lawton or Danylyk in there. Bollocks get them both in there. They would show passion and grit. Something that lacked right the way through the team on Saturday and Robbie would marshal the bunch of out of sorts wankers we call footballers that were playing on Saturday.
FORWARDS:
Play a 4-5-1/4-3-3 with Clee and Denham on the wings. Why is our top scorer warming the bench week in week out? Reeves has showed he has the ability at other clubs in our league and has backed it up with goals for us. Nonplussed. If we insist on playing a 4-4-2 then still have Clee and Denham on the wings and play Twiss and Reeves upfront.
Sorry for the length of this and the ranty nature of it, it's been a long time since I have got to a match so thought I could at least put some input into the forum. Shame it hasn't been all that positive. I am still so severely pissed off after that atrocity at the weekend. I hate being so far away from all the action. I hate even more spending my very limited cash on coming back to be "treated" to a display like that. And if that is not the worst performance of the season then I feel genuinely sorry for everybody who has had to endure that all season.
Anyway, thats everything. Thoughts? Opinions? Am I going insane or is this how our season has gone?
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Good post. Agree with most of it. Wish I could query your sanity - but I can't.