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[JDN]

Phil, you make a very good point about the parking at the shops, 6 days a week from 10 until 2.30/3.00 the whole area around the front of the ground and the side roads is littered with tradesmans vehicles and sales reps Volkswagen estates due to people using the chippy and George's.

ban the car

[Paul Cain's Chip Pan]

I thought an entertainment centre was something they used to give away to quirky contestants on Family Fortunes. They alternated it with health farm breaks and sets of golf clubs.

[PukkaPieman]

I could have sworn that I'd made that point earlier...!

As for "the community", you'd be amazed at just how many local residents appear entirely ignorant of the Community Hall development (notwithstanding the football club's efforts to include them in public meetings relating to the matter). As Jim Morrison once sang: "People are strange."

Yes of course you did, I was merely supporting your well constructed analysis. And yes, some people are very strange.

[PukkaPieman]

I am sure that Mr Foden will advise you re the facts on the Car Park rearrangement.
However, and I understand the concern re people not using the Car Park, I know of similar circumstances where, for example, the usage of the designated Car Park has been made a condition of use for "Customers" In this circumstance organisations have had bookings cancelled for failure to comply.

The existing car park had approx 42 spaces plus some overflow area. The space sizes were actually OK with the TMBC carpark technical requirements, it was the lack of a turning circle at the back and the clearances between the back of some spaces where the carpark tapers that resulted in the reduction of actual spaces to a figure now around 24, which is still 3 more than are actually needed for the CSH.

I agree that we cant force people to use the carpark and that a lot of people will be too lazy to follow the new signs or use it, however, as you can now access the CSH on non match days at the new rear access gate which is right at the carpark entrance, why would you want to park near the shops with this better means of access available? Thats the plan which we will try and implement in future.
This is all academic until we raise the money.

[Graham Bennetts Perm]

Anyone know what the fire limit of the Casino, I mean, Community Sports Hall is intended to be i.e. the maximum number of people allowed in at the same time, without breaching fire regulations?

[PukkaPieman]

Anyone know what the fire limit of the Casino, I mean, Community Sports Hall is intended to be i.e. the maximum number of people allowed in at the same time, without breaching fire regulations?

Yet to be agreed.

[TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe]

Speaking to some local residents opposite the ground I know one of their objections was the 'extra traffic and parking' caused by the sports hall on non match days. I would have thought that concern would have been alleviated by the development including upgrades to the car park round the back of the ground, which kind of reflects the professional approach and consideration that has been taken in the proposal.

Ian Foden or Phil Taylor will correct me on this if I've lost the plot but I believe that the original figure quoted on the Community Hall planning application of 41 spaces on the renovated car park had to be reduced by 25% owing to the size of the spaces stipulated by Trafford Council.

Whilst the football club is commendably doing all it can by providing these parking facilities, human nature dictates that some people simply won't be bothered to use them!

Plus Golf Road has become almost a single file road these days, which may prove to be a deterrent.

Please tell me if I am beginning to sound like Mister Herringshaw...!
 
 

I am sure that Mr Foden will advise you re the facts on the Car Park rearrangement.

However, and I understand the concern re people not using the Car Park, I know of similar circumstances where, for example, the usage of the designated Car Park has been made a condition of use for "Customers" In this circumstance organisations have had bookings cancelled for failure to comply.

How do you police/enforce such a condition as that though?

[TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe]

I am sure that Mr Foden will advise you re the facts on the Car Park rearrangement.
However, and I understand the concern re people not using the Car Park, I know of similar circumstances where, for example, the usage of the designated Car Park has been made a condition of use for "Customers" In this circumstance organisations have had bookings cancelled for failure to comply.

The existing car park had approx 42 spaces plus some overflow area. The space sizes were actually OK with the TMBC carpark technical requirements, it was the lack of a turning circle at the back and the clearances between the back of some spaces where the carpark tapers that resulted in the reduction of actual spaces to a figure now around 24, which is still 3 more than are actually needed for the CSH.

I agree that we cant force people to use the carpark and that a lot of people will be too lazy to follow the new signs or use it, however, as you can now access the CSH on non match days at the new rear access gate which is right at the carpark entrance, why would you want to park near the shops with this better means of access available? Thats the plan which we will try and implement in future.
This is all academic until we raise the money.

Am I mistaken in thinking that there will also be a CSH access point located on Moss Lane then?

[markecky]

Speaking to some local residents opposite the ground I know one of their objections was the 'extra traffic and parking' caused by the sports hall on non match days. I would have thought that concern would have been alleviated by the development including upgrades to the car park round the back of the ground, which kind of reflects the professional approach and consideration that has been taken in the proposal.

Ian Foden or Phil Taylor will correct me on this if I've lost the plot but I believe that the original figure quoted on the Community Hall planning application of 41 spaces on the renovated car park had to be reduced by 25% owing to the size of the spaces stipulated by Trafford Council.

Whilst the football club is commendably doing all it can by providing these parking facilities, human nature dictates that some people simply won't be bothered to use them!

Plus Golf Road has become almost a single file road these days, which may prove to be a deterrent.

Please tell me if I am beginning to sound like Mister Herringshaw...!
 
 

I am sure that Mr Foden will advise you re the facts on the Car Park rearrangement.

However, and I understand the concern re people not using the Car Park, I know of similar circumstances where, for example, the usage of the designated Car Park has been made a condition of use for "Customers" In this circumstance organisations have had bookings cancelled for failure to comply.

How do you police/enforce such a condition as that though?

I'm not sure you ever do that.

You could however condition people by not opening the gate on Moss Lane at certain times (like non match days) thus forcing people to either walk or drive around the back.

[PukkaPieman]

To clarify, there is a condition that we have a management plan in place which will dictate how each type of event will be managed. That will determine the best way to respect our neighbours, eg to mitigate noise when customers leave, which doors are used and when, etc etc. The exact details will be agreed in due course to suit each activity and to suit who is using the CSH. eg when the old folks bowls club come, who walk or use the bus, the front door will be open. For evening functions, we may only allow the rear door to be used at the end so access has to be via the rear carpark. This detail is a long way off being finalised.

We need to raise the money first. Anyone got any good ideas?

[TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe]

Incidentally, there's a similar aticle inside this week's issue of the Sale & Altrincham Advertiser.

It includes a photograph of Ian Watmore and their focus is along the lines of 'father of Premiership (sic) footballer supports development of Altrincham FC's Community Hall'.

Poor old Norman's surname is spelt wrong again!

[bumble]

We need to raise the money first. Anyone got any good ideas?

Be good to see some different types of merchandise? Look how well the new scarf sold

[York Alty]

Any resident has a right to object to a planning application regardless.  I live close to York racecourse and accept that there are days when the traffic is a factor when working out when I can leave the house.  However, I objected to York hosting Ascot and continue to object to the traffic arrangements that are now in place.  The reason is that these are changes to the arrangements when we bought the house. The traffic is still tough work but they have introduced 'no right turns' - effectively closing off one of the two routes that lead anywhere.  What's this got to do with Alty?  Well the residents who object are objecting to the CHANGES, not to Alty FC, as I don't object to York racecourse..  I fully support their right to object, but glad it was overruled. This isn't a case of NIMBYism as the club is already there - this is not a significant development in reality, but residents have a responsibility to themselves to get involved in the planning process. 

[Graham Bennetts Perm]

To clarify, there is a condition that we have a management plan in place which will dictate how each type of event will be managed. That will determine the best way to respect our neighbours, eg to mitigate noise when customers leave, which doors are used and when, etc etc. The exact details will be agreed in due course to suit each activity and to suit who is using the CSH. eg when the old folks bowls club come, who walk or use the bus, the front door will be open. For evening functions, we may only allow the rear door to be used at the end so access has to be via the rear carpark. This detail is a long way off being finalised.

We need to raise the money first. Anyone got any good ideas?

The Brick by Brick appeal - calculate the number of bricks required to build it. Estimate the total amount required to be raised through fundraising. Divide by the number of bricks, and then ask people to sponsor bricks or fund raise for bricks. Design a graphic for the ground showing a wall of bricks and how far up the wall the appeal has reached. It will probably bring home the scale of the fundraising required!

Mind you, decent Lap Dancing nightclubs, errr, I mean Community Sports Halls, are not cheap nowadays.

[bumble]

I like brick by brick.

My thoughts...

Idea 1.  Alty Brew

Perhaps we could have a word with Costellos and see if we could develop a beer to be sold? (Similar to Leamingtons Brakes Fluid). With strong branding, it could sell extremely well. It would also make the town aware that we still exist and are willing to come into the 21st century.

Either they could brew a beer we can sell in the bar,  or one which is sold in their bar with a % going to the club. Given the amount of business fans have given the bar over since its opening, it may be worth pursuing.


Idea 2. Pushing existing merchandise.

When myself and few others went to Hednesford v FCUM, there was so much merchandise being sold by FCUM ( reminded me of the Wimbledon game in the conference where there were really pushing the stuff). It was very car boot sale-ish in its set up, but before people had even got to the turnstiles waving flags, scarves, badges, hats were available for sale. I know its not ideal, and does require man power -  but I do think wed shift more stuff like this if people could see it and it wasn't just inside that tiny portacabin.

I'm aware Hednesford was a  playoff final, so its not something we could do every week - but we've had Burton Brackley Stockport and Chester in the last 12 months with bumper crowds where I believe we could have shift stuff with the hype of a big game. If a kid pesters a dad to buy them a scarf, I do believe they're more likely to return to a future game and gives them a reminder of the great day they had.

Idea 3. Away from the usual meet the recruits nights.

Another club who - especially with their support - have done extremely well with their fundraising, is Gloucester. They do thins like Brewery tours, Indian curry nights at a local restaurant, Im sure they even did a poker night and a trip to the races. I know it failed miserably last time it was tried but a night at Belvue (You can get excellent deals where for £1/2 you get a free bet entry and program and the club sells them on at profit). Man v Food events seem extremely popular at the minute - Im sure Neil Tolson could take on a few people in an eating contest. Then serve everyone else a smaller version or let them take on the challenge.

Again as with any fundraising idea it takes man power - I'm sure someone from TASC will reply to my thoughts saying its all well and good but nobody offers to help.

Also like to add if Jenny sold jagerbombs at the club we'd deffo have enough - or perhaps Jenga could have a sponsored tattoo ?