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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Toff Apple on June 16, 2015, 10:43:33 PM
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hopefully it won't be us:-
Things looks desperate for Torquay. Guisley will struggle and I suspect gateshead will too
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We will unless we strengthen considerably
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Guiseley won't struggle.
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The teams with the least points I reckon
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hopefully it won't be us:-
Things looks desperate for Torquay. Guisley will struggle and I suspect gateshead will too
I doubt torquay or gateshead will be in trouble, history tells us that they will be ok despite rumours
Maybe some of the promoted clubs but not our former play off opponents
We have to be very aware of the so called second season syndrome
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hopefully it won't be us:-
Things looks desperate for Torquay. Guisley will struggle and I suspect gateshead will too
Guiseley and Gateshead will be lower mid table Gateshead maybe higher
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Torquay are in a very bad way,manager ,his backroom staff has refused to take a massive pay cut so have been put on 'gardening leave'now they have closed the youth acadamy,think they will struggle,i like to think we will be ok,but am worried by the lack of depth in our squad.
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Torquay are in a very bad way,manager ,his backroom staff has refused to take a massive pay cut so have been put on 'gardening leave'now they have closed the youth acadamy,think they will struggle,i like to think we will be ok,but am worried by the lack of depth in our squad.
The manager and backroom staff weren't up to the required standard anyway and the closing of the youth academy will have zero impact on the first team (they don't provide a steady stream of ready made players).
They'll finish about the same position as this season, a position or two lower perhaps.
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Judging by last season's performances against the relegated teams, perhaps it's not a bad thing that there are no obvious whipping boys. :)
I want to see us make 4 more quality signings and improve on last season's points total. Hopefully the necessary deals are already done or close to being done.
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I think the most likely contenders to be fighting to avoid the drop will be
Us
Welling
Kiddy
Borehamwood
Guiseley
Southport
Aldershot
And one of these (very unpredictable as most have new squads or managers)
Tranmere
Cheltenham
Torquay
Halifax
I reckon the most likely to drop would be
Kiddy
Southport
Borehamwood
Welling
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Probably add Braintree to that list
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I think we need to face up to the fact that, as it currently stands, we are one of the four most likely teams to go down.
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I think we need to see who sinnott brings in after all he is probably correct in who he has released
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I have a feeling about Cheltenham going down. We will be in the fight too alongside Welling, KIDDY, borehamwood and others.
To go...
CHELTENHAM
WELLING
BOREHAMWOD
ONE OTHER...
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At the moment, we will definitely struggle. We have a half decent starting XI as shown for most of last season, but injuries and suspensions will impact on us badly (as they would do on any part time team). A midfield general to replace Cav, a 3rd striker and a utility defender are urgently needed, but there is plenty of time and there are plenty of players. I'm pretty sure the management are doing everything they can to bring players to Alty, but it can't be that easy given our status.
As for the other teams. It does look a bit ominous for Torquay and Kiddy, but I'm sure they'll find a way of pulling through. I don't think Southport will be as bad as last season - they've completely revamped their team and will be less dependent on loan players. Guiseley didn't look that great in the play off final, but they play a very similar style to us and I have a feeling they'll be okay in the national division. Aldershot were bog awful last season, but they too have completely revamped their squad, so it is difficult to tell if they will struggle again.
In short, I think the standard in the league will be higher next season, so the calibre of the three players or so we bring in will be critical to our chances of survival.
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We displayed promotion form for a fair bulk of last season, we really need to see the make up of the squad before reverting to the "we can't compete" "we're going to get relegated" "we're part time" stuff.
Of the players released
Parton - replaced adequately with deasey
Perry - replaced adequately with rankin
Williams - replaced Adequately with o'keefe
Gillespie - complete was of space time and money, anyone would be an improvement
Cav - will be a really big miss, we always have a better time of it with Kearney/Boshell/Cav running the middle.
It's always tough in this league, but let's have a look once we've finished our business
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This is a hard league and the fulltime clubs who have the much bigger resources or financial backers will always rise to the top eventually and the part time clubs very rarelystay in the top half for long.
Clubs it could be argued currently with bigger resources and decent squads etc
Grimsby, FGR, Eastleigh,Wrexham, Woking,
Then there the ones who should do well, have the resources but are in transition like;
Cheltenham, Tranmere, Lincoln, Chester, Torquay, Halifax, Barrow now, Gateshead,
Then there the rest,...about 10 clubs whose success depends on a mixture of good management, getting the right players and luck.
The surprise packages last year were Macc, Dover and to some degree us.
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Macc are not a surprise packet as with their funds they should be top ten us 17th about par Dover was a surprise
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Smoke and mirrors at Macclesfield they had a Great War chest last season, regardless of what nonsense they put in the press.
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Macclesfield started with a budget of £220k which rose to £275k by the end of the season, it can hardly be described as a war chest. They began the season with only 4 contracted defenders and 2 strikers in their entire squad. Their budget this year is supposed to be £350k+ as they are no longer in debt.
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When people are so easily fooled it's no wonder clubs like to give out false information.
That's a general point.
Re Macc, you're suggesting that they paid off £130,000 of debt which is now being put back into the playing budget?
Really?...
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The figures I told you are 100% correct give or take a few thousand. I don't know how exactly how Macc's budget is a lot bigger this season, but I can have a guess. They sold a little over 500 ST's last season, their worst for a long time, mainly due to the uncertainty about whether Macc would have a club, and you also couldn't pay on card (again, because of uncertainty). They have sold nearly 600 already this season with only 10 players signed up and 6+ weeks till the season starts. Most of the ST money last year was put straight into paying off debt, whereas this season this has not had to be the case.
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Paul cox has been appointed manager at Torquay,ex mansfield manager
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Decent appointment that
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The figures I told you are 100% correct give or take a few thousand. I don't know how exactly how Macc's budget is a lot bigger this season, but I can have a guess. They sold a little over 500 ST's last season, their worst for a long time, mainly due to the uncertainty about whether Macc would have a club, and you also couldn't pay on card (again, because of uncertainty). They have sold nearly 600 already this season with only 10 players signed up and 6+ weeks till the season starts. Most of the ST money last year was put straight into paying off debt, whereas this season this has not had to be the case.
Why would a board or manager tell the world the budget they have they have basically told a smaller budget invade they did badly
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Probably add Braintree to that list
I would add Bromley as well
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They didn't tell the world the figures? He just said in a few interviews that the budget was very small and that it was going to be a challenge!! Everyone started then speculating and guessing. Those are the real figures though.
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This is a hard league and the fulltime clubs who have the much bigger resources or financial backers will always rise to the top eventually and the part time clubs very rarelystay in the top half for long.
Clubs it could be argued currently with bigger resources and decent squads etc
Grimsby, FGR, Eastleigh,Wrexham, Woking,
Then there the ones who should do well, have the resources but are in transition like;
Cheltenham, Tranmere, Lincoln, Chester, Torquay, Halifax, Barrow now, Gateshead,
Then there the rest,...about 10 clubs whose success depends on a mixture of good management, getting the right players and luck.
The surprise packages last year were Macc, Dover and to some degree us.
Chester and Halifax are both part time as well
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We displayed promotion form for a fair bulk of last season, we really need to see the make up of the squad before reverting to the "we can't compete" "we're going to get relegated" "we're part time" stuff.
Of the players released
Parton - replaced adequately with deasey
Perry - replaced adequately with rankin
Williams - replaced Adequately with o'keefe
Gillespie - complete was of space time and money, anyone would be an improvement
Cav - will be a really big miss, we always have a better time of it with Kearney/Boshell/Cav running the middle.
It's always tough in this league, but let's have a look once we've finished our business
I see your point, but the replacements have only been like for like and as you say still no replacements for Cav or Gillespie
Also as you say Sinnott normally does his business early, as it is we looking short on what we had last season (and that was to few players to avoid only coming 17th - which was a poor finish) - never mind the hope we had of pushing on a bit
Of course there still time - but a lot to do for me
As it stands we will do very well to come 17th this coming season - and thats allowing for further signings
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They didn't tell the world the figures? He just said in a few interviews that the budget was very small and that it was going to be a challenge!! Everyone started then speculating and guessing. Those are the real figures though.
Why do you know the 350k figure for this season and if it's because you work for the club why are you advertising the fact
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The figures I told you are 100% correct give or take a few thousand. I don't know how exactly how Macc's budget is a lot bigger this season, but I can have a guess. They sold a little over 500 ST's last season, their worst for a long time, mainly due to the uncertainty about whether Macc would have a club, and you also couldn't pay on card (again, because of uncertainty). They have sold nearly 600 already this season with only 10 players signed up and 6+ weeks till the season starts. Most of the ST money last year was put straight into paying off debt, whereas this season this has not had to be the case.
how much are the season tickets? I calculate that if they £250, then that is £150k with 600 sales, where is the other £200k coming from?
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I suspect any more players we now sign will be during the friendlies, do not think we will sign any more until then once we see who is finally available, good, and within our budget.
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We displayed promotion form for a fair bulk of last season, we really need to see the make up of the squad before reverting to the "we can't compete" "we're going to get relegated" "we're part time" stuff.
Of the players released
Parton - replaced adequately with deasey
Perry - replaced adequately with rankin
Williams - replaced Adequately with o'keefe
Gillespie - complete was of space time and money, anyone would be an improvement
Cav - will be a really big miss, we always have a better time of it with Kearney/Boshell/Cav running the middle.
It's always tough in this league, but let's have a look once we've finished our business
I agree with you on 2 of the signings I thought okeefe played on left and I wouldn't say I know anything about him to say if he is an adequate replacement for Williams
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The figures I told you are 100% correct give or take a few thousand. I don't know how exactly how Macc's budget is a lot bigger this season, but I can have a guess. They sold a little over 500 ST's last season, their worst for a long time, mainly due to the uncertainty about whether Macc would have a club, and you also couldn't pay on card (again, because of uncertainty). They have sold nearly 600 already this season with only 10 players signed up and 6+ weeks till the season starts. Most of the ST money last year was put straight into paying off debt, whereas this season this has not had to be the case.
how much are the season tickets? I calculate that if they £250, then that is £150k with 600 sales, where is the other £200k coming from?
I'm calculating an extra £130k from an extra 100 ST sales. Bit pricey.
Why do some people never do the maths? 220 over 52 weeks is just over 4k a week. That would mean 15 full time footballers on 250 a week never mind players of the calibre, experience of Turnbull holroyd Whittaker Barnes homer etc.
I'm not even really critical of Macc, there's nothing wrong with downplaying your hand but bemused people can't work it out.
Back to us, we definitely need three players
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We displayed promotion form for a fair bulk of last season, we really need to see the make up of the squad before reverting to the "we can't compete" "we're going to get relegated" "we're part time" stuff.
Of the players released
Parton - replaced adequately with deasey
Perry - replaced adequately with rankin
Williams - replaced Adequately with o'keefe
Gillespie - complete was of space time and money, anyone would be an improvement
Cav - will be a really big miss, we always have a better time of it with Kearney/Boshell/Cav running the middle.
It's always tough in this league, but let's have a look once we've finished our business
I agree with you on 2 of the signings I thought okeefe played on left and I wouldn't say I know anything about him to say if he is an adequate replacement for Williams
Fair point jimmy, I've been told he's a box to box man, but we'll have to wait and see
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Why do some people never do the maths? 220 over 52 weeks is just over 4k a week. That would mean 15 full time footballers on 250 a week never mind players of the calibre, experience of Turnbull holroyd Whittaker Barnes homer etc.
I'm not even really critical of Macc, there's nothing wrong with downplaying your hand but bemused people can't work it out.
Back to us, we definitely need three players
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1 of those 4 was paid less than 250 a week, I don't work for Macclesfield Town and all Macc's players last year were on 40 week contracts.
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Back in the real world you players of the caliber of Whittaker and turnbull would be on about 15 hundred a week just for them two probably more however your not in the real world a lot of you think the EDL is a good idea
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Back in the real world you players of the caliber of Whittaker and turnbull would be on about 15 hundred a week just for them two probably more however your not in the real world a lot of you think the EDL is a good idea
Jesus Christ, you're deluded, Turnbull, released by relegated Stockport County on 1500 a week?? James Constable is paid less than that for Eastleigh and that's a fact!!
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I actually said 1500 for the 2 of them not 1500 each and I'm sure Stockport released him because of his wage not his lack of ability if two of the best midfielders in the leauge were not getting atleast 750 I'd be f**king amazed
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Paul turnball was released by big spending Northampton town in 2013 before signing for Macclesfield?
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The majority of Stockport fans thought he was sh*te, as they did Andy Halls and Danny Rowe who have all become very good players at this level under Askey. Turnbull and Whitaker were paid nowhere near 750 each last season although Turnbull may be paid closer to that figure this season with the increased budget.
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If your paying Whitaker less than £500 a week he must be knocking back 3 clubs week who'd double that.
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Why do some people never do the maths? 220 over 52 weeks is just over 4k a week. That would mean 15 full time footballers on 250 a week never mind players of the calibre, experience of Turnbull holroyd Whittaker Barnes homer etc.
I'm not even really critical of Macc, there's nothing wrong with downplaying your hand but bemused people can't work it out.
Back to us, we definitely need three players
1 of those 4 was paid less than 250 a week, I don't work for Macclesfield Town and all Macc's players last year were on 40 week contracts.
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So these full time footballers return on 20th July for pre season training yes. Well done to them for being able to secure seasonal employment for 12 weeks.
Do you seriously even believe what you're typing?
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1 of those 4 was paid less than 250 a week, I don't work for Macclesfield Town and all Macc's players last year were on 40 week contracts.
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So these full time footballers return on 20th July for pre season training yes. Well done to them for being able to secure seasonal employment for 12 weeks.
Do you seriously even believe what you're typing?
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In answer to the first question, Whitaker is in his mid 30's so I think double is a bit of an exaggeration but yeah most of them could get more elsewhere but they enjoy playing under John Askey.
And yes, a number of them have other jobs. Paul Turnbull works in a bar and Andy Halls is a personal trainer.
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Kids are going to dream of working in tesco's more money doing that than being a pro footballer what the f**k does their wife say when they say no holiday this year I'm playing for macc because I like askey
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I expect the majority of the names you mentioned have savings. Whitaker would have been on 75k+ at Chesterfield and Port Vale I would guess.
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Minimumwagefield! Plenty of people have savings, but they wouldn't do a full time job for less than half what they could get on the open market because they like the boss.
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You must be pretty bored on your own forum to come on here trolling. If it amuses you, then keep on fishing with provocative posts.
By the way, and the risk of chomping, whatever you budget actually was last year, I seem to remember that a well-run little part-time club rammed it right up you twice last season.
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I don't really see how they are provocative posts and I'm not strictly a Macclesfield fan to be honest, just got a few inside contacts at this level. Well done on beating Macc twice last season, one was in a competition where JA absolutely did not want to progress and fielded a team full of half Macclesfield's reserves. When was the last year Altrincham finished above Macclesfield though, please remind me?
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I don't really see how they are provocative posts and I'm not strictly a Macclesfield fan to be honest, just got a few inside contacts at this level. Well done on beating Macc twice last season, one was in a competition where JA absolutely did not want to progress and fielded a team full of half Macclesfield's reserves. When was the last year Altrincham finished above Macclesfield though, please remind me?
In the solvency league do you mean? Last year.
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I don't really see how they are provocative posts and I'm not strictly a Macclesfield fan to be honest, just got a few inside contacts at this level. Well done on beating Macc twice last season, one was in a competition where JA absolutely did not want to progress and fielded a team full of half Macclesfield's reserves. When was the last year Altrincham finished above Macclesfield though, please remind me?
Not making the playoffs makes askey's choice of not taking the trophy serious seem abit of a mistake
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I don't really see how they are provocative posts and I'm not strictly a Macclesfield fan to be honest, just got a few inside contacts at this level. Well done on beating Macc twice last season, one was in a competition where JA absolutely did not want to progress and fielded a team full of half Macclesfield's reserves. When was the last year Altrincham finished above Macclesfield though, please remind me?
To be fair the posts are not provacative I'm just bemused you believe the myth about the macc low wages but if you do fair enough
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Adam Smith signs for Wrexham.
Just what we require
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Laughing at all these posts from 1893........ ;D........I heard some of them older pro's at Macc chipped in for the coach fare to away games and bought Askey a pint in the bar (but only the ones with savings though)
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Of course there is always the case that these players are on the wages described, or at least that is what the 'contract' says and what goes through the books (no employers NI contributions needed)...............shortfall in re-numeration being made up in other ways which helps both parties.
Then again unlikely now with the controls in place, albeit happening at a L1 club managed by an experienced manager (who was unaware of it) not that long ago.
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I just love the fact that we speculate what some players earn. Hell i dont even know what my work colleagues earn, nevermind people i have never met before.
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It's doesn't take much speculating to work out that a professional football team is giving their players more than 250 quid a week