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[bighairedmike]

Yep, i'd agree with that pretty much on communism, but not that everybody wants the best for themselves.  There are some people (certainly not me though!) who are willing to completely focus on others above their own desires. 
The vast majority of these people aren't communists anyway. 

   

I should have said the majority and not everybody to be honest. With a majority of people that do not believe that absolutely everybody is equal how can a communist state ever work?

[Reading Robin]

It can't, or at least it is very unlikely to work.  I wasn't arguing that it would work, my initial point about it was just a technicality. 

[seasonticket]

This is a strange debate for a football forum, but just a thought to add to it. I was once told that there has only been one TRUE communist and that was Jesus Christ. Think about it, that could just be true.....................I wonder.

[jiminlondon]

Try Communism, oh no that didn't work did it....

whereas capitalism is doing a spiffing job




oh wait....

Communism makes everybody poor.

A significant part of capitalism is the acceptance of an economy that will boom and then bust. Some political scientists say that bust is needed to create a bigger boom than before.

I think history has shown both of these things to be true.

for capitalism to work there must be losers, for people to be rich then some have to be poor
hurrah for us for having the dumb luck to be born in the 10% of the world poulation that does well out of it

i'm not pretending to have any solutions, just that things are not as easy/cut and dried as some would have you believe

[Toff Apple]

By gum its this kind of thinking that put the stoppers in place

[RockyRobin]

Try Communism, oh no that didn't work did it....

whereas capitalism is doing a spiffing job




oh wait....

Communism makes everybody poor.

A significant part of capitalism is the acceptance of an economy that will boom and then bust. Some political scientists say that bust is needed to create a bigger boom than before.

I think history has shown both of these things to be true.

for capitalism to work there must be losers, for people to be rich then some have to be poor
hurrah for us for having the dumb luck to be born in the 10% of the world poulation that does well out of it

i'm not pretending to have any solutions, just that things are not as easy/cut and dried as some would have you believe

True we are lucky, however within that luck we have put ourselves to work to keep that luck and to improve on it.

I don't appreciate tossers causing harm in their drive for their wants, just as selfish as the fat cats.

The zillion pound bonuses were for hundreds not thousands of City workers! Trying to smash up the Bank of England and spraying obsenities on it really isn't going to help, just cost more money!

It's my colleagues that are trying to sort out this mess we are in and this is the thanks they get!

Although on what I witnessed out of the window it was the usual few muppets given it the large one and the easy led following suit, not too disimilar to football strava actually. I knew we could bring it back to Alty eventually!!!

Cue stories of Frickley in 84.....

[GolfRoader]

Try Communism, oh no that didn't work did it....

whereas capitalism is doing a spiffing job




oh wait....

Communism makes everybody poor.

A significant part of capitalism is the acceptance of an economy that will boom and then bust. Some political scientists say that bust is needed to create a bigger boom than before.

I think history has shown both of these things to be true.
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straight from the book of dave, classic

[Dougals Dad]

Capitalism is favoured by those who have lots and dont want to share it;
Socialism is favoured by those who have nothing and do want to share it

[Jimmy Hill]

Try Communism, oh no that didn't work did it....

whereas capitalism is doing a spiffing job




oh wait....

Communism makes everybody poor.

A significant part of capitalism is the acceptance of an economy that will boom and then bust. Some political scientists say that bust is needed to create a bigger boom than before.

I think history has shown both of these things to be true.

for capitalism to work there must be losers, for people to be rich then some have to be poor
hurrah for us for having the dumb luck to be born in the 10% of the world poulation that does well out of it

i'm not pretending to have any solutions, just that things are not as easy/cut and dried as some would have you believe

We are very fortunate to live in the 'wealthy' part of the world.

However poor countries aren't poor because we're rich.

Wealth is created - some of the world's most resource rich countries in the world are also the poorest, whilst countries with relatively few natural resources thrive.

[AltyTunnelSteward]

But surely that is at least in part down to the fact that the overtly capitalist in those poor countries exploit the fact that they have, by fair means or foul, got more money than others and use this money to (generally by way of corrupt activity) ensure that this remains the case

[jiminlondon]

its 20 years since i have seriously debated comparative political systems, and have very little desire to start again, however (you knew there was a however) it is my view that it is not achievable or sustainable for everyone to live at the the same level as we do, and therefore the majority of the world population are kept in poverty to feed the system. personally i do not want to give up my standard of living, but it doesnt change my analysis.

Although on what I witnessed out of the window it was the usual few muppets given it the large one and the easy led following suit, not too disimilar to football strava actually. I knew we could bring it back to Alty eventually!!!

Cue stories of Frickley in 84.....

just listening to R5 and the police estimate 5000 protestors! if we generously allow 2000 who want to cause trouble then you have to wonder what the fuss is about
god help them next time west ham play millwall
what i remember abour fricley is......

[Uncle Globnasty]

Bankers!

[penfold]

They need to get a grip and realise breaking a few windows, putting Halloween masks on blowing whistles and general arsing about in the city centre and believing they can change the state of the worlds economic situation is not going to happen. Know one with any sense wants bastard communism.
Also they need to have a look in the mirror, the shoe's on their feet, the clothes they wear, the food they eat etc is probably funded by a large corporate bank or investment firm, so what they are protesting for has gone straight out the window. Everyone knows communism does not work, look at Russia, that place is completely corrupt. This country has gone to sh*t that much the police have to stand there and say boys and girls you can't do that, bring back the good old days where gimps like protestors could get beaten about the park to knock some sense into them.

[Jimmy Hill]

But surely that is at least in part down to the fact that the overtly capitalist in those poor countries exploit the fact that they have, by fair means or foul, got more money than others and use this money to (generally by way of corrupt activity) ensure that this remains the case

Certainly, although I would say that the problem was more with corruption rather than capitalism. Some would say they were the same thing. 

it is my view that it is not achievable or sustainable for everyone to live at the the same level as we do, and therefore the majority of the world population are kept in poverty to feed the system. personally i do not want to give up my standard of living, but it doesnt change my analysis.

Probably not, due to countries developing at different rates and from different start points, equal standards of living throughout the world (without large-scale global redistribution) are unachievable.

However that doesn't mean that through the process of mutually beneficial trade developing nations can't reach the standard of living we currently enjoy within a few generations.

I suspect that Western governments would like nothing more than for countries throughout the world to develop quickly, the more developed a country the more pap you can sell to the people that live there.

[SW]

Bloody Hell, there's a few Daily Mail/Sun readers on here........may I even dare to check if the single remaining Daily Express reader resides here?

I do not condone vandalism and violence, but many of those people today have a perfectly democratic right to protest peacefully against a lot of stuff that is very wrong right now. The media will always concentrate on the worse stuff but the vast majority of the protesters were universally accepted by London radio as being peaceful and within the law.