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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: taxi Phil on April 12, 2014, 10:41:43 PM
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Look at tonight's top 5. These are the teams who could well contest the playoffs, and we are one of them.
Of the 24 points available from the games against these teams, we have dropped a staggering 20 !
We're in the promotion picture in a pitifully poor league almost by default. Three full seasons have almost elapsed since Lee Sinnott's appointment, and I honestly don't believe we're an ounce better than when he arrived.
I might fancy us over two legs against Hednesford, but otherwise we can prepare for yet another season against clubs whose fans turn up on a skateboard. And next term Barrow and a couple of others will strip fitter.
Basically I'm sorry to draw the conclusion, but for me - regardless of what happens next - it has to be
SINNOUT !!!!!!
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Agree phil ferriby Telford awfull the team should be ashamed but they won't be
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Don't really disagree with anything in your post
However if we do go up by some miracle in the play offs he has earnt the right to stay
Otherwise bye bye
I still have to believe we can perform a miracle
I'll be there Friday cheering us on
I said weeks ago we would make the play offs and be humiliated again I still hope I am wrong
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Winning the playoffs would be ace, no doubt. If it happened (and I don't think it will) I can't help feeling next year would be utterly demoralising though.
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Excellent post Romeo
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However if you win playoffs you deserve to go up
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All of the other top sides that i have seen us play have been very physical. We can't cope with it.
I think we will get battered in the playoffs.
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Don't really disagree with anything in your post
However if we do go up by some miracle in the play offs he has earnt the right to stay
Otherwise bye bye
I still have to believe we can perform a miracle
I'll be there Friday cheering us on
I said weeks ago we would make the play offs and be humiliated again I still hope I am wrong
I'd agree promotion would earn him the right to stay.....but then he'd need to sign at least half a dozen Conference level players and run with a bigger squad. I'm afraid I just can't see it happening.
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I think under Lee we have played some extremely attacking attractive football.....Lee lacks two things.......the knowledge or ability to bring in the sort of val owen eddie hussin controlling physical midfield......and the confidence to go at these top teams from the off....we always seem to start slowly, go behind then like yesterday lee changes things (and credit to him for making what I thought were the changes needed)
I think the defence is right and obviously our attacking options are good....we need an option if nicky is out and lee has not used doughty as this option or signed a right winger....we also miss Richman I think.....But the lack of a physical prescence in midfield bites us on the arse everytime leading those listening to Radio Robins to hear time and time again that we are being bullied out of the game.
I'm in two minds as to whether I'd give Lee close season to bring in the 3 players needed who would turn us into a team that would walk this league.
The last team that won promotion had two skilful players in little and potts....the rest were physical gritty players who forced us through the play offs.
Bizarrely if we do go up we will need a more creative footballing side so we do have a better basis to start with IMO
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I don't disagree with what you are saying about the midfield needing to be strengthened but if Boshell had stayed we probably would have walked the league.
As has been said finding players of the calibre we need with the funds we have available is difficult.
I personally prefer watching the attacking football we have seen for the last 3 years than the defensive rubbish served up by his predecessor for a number of years.
We brought some good players in last summer and I would expect us to do the same this summer.
We've not turned up against the top teams in the league but we can do it in the play offs.
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We attack more in this division because we're better than most teams. We defended more in Conference Premier because we were 2nd best most of the time
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Where second best , past tense , we have yet to find out if that is true with his team , I hope with a couple more good players that if we do go up we can compete .
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Some good points - but we have to believe we can 'turn up' in the play-offs when it counts and the club will then 'adapt' the squad to fit the Conf Prem.........right now I would just enjoy visiting Grimsby, Wrexham again even if we were to be relegated again (after beating Macc twice)
What would be a farce is Ferriby being promoted...........a team in there position that had more players warming up than it had supporters on the Chequers end......embarrassing
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If ferriby win league they deserve to go up regardless of fan base
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Agree with you on everything,Phil.
I just hope that if the board takes the position that this is the league of choice, for financial or other reasons, that they will come out and say so (as other teams have done). We SHOULD have won this league easily this time, and with a few timely transfers we would have.
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Some good points - but we have to believe we can 'turn up' in the play-offs when it counts and the club will then 'adapt' the squad to fit the Conf Prem.........right now I would just enjoy visiting Grimsby, Wrexham again even if we were to be relegated again (after beating Macc twice)
What would be a farce is Ferriby being promoted...........a team in there position that had more players warming up than it had supporters on the Chequers end......embarrassing
Ferribh brought more than a lot of clubs this year, plenty in the King George before and dotted around.
Most aways fans will sit, or stand in the top corner
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Agree with you on everything,Phil.
I just hope that if the board takes the position that this is the league of choice, for financial or other reasons, that they will come out and say so (as other teams have done). We SHOULD have won this league easily this time, and with a few timely transfers we would have.
To be fair to the board this team/squad has probably not come cheap some good players a problem for me is that part of the budget is used up on perry Rodgers Marshall who are not good enough and you have richman and moult who only look good with better players or when the opponents are not to hot
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Can you explain uday my good man
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I agree my statement was that the board haven't lacked ambition but the manager has lacked no how
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I apologise but I have not read the entire thread but I stated in Sinnots first year that he wasn't the right man for Alty. He will never be, we are 3 or 4 quality players short of being champions but it's not just that, I've mentioned this so many times - he can't get them up for games, we do do have good players but very soft players! To get out of this league we need to play a bit dirty, with passion, players who pull their socks up. It's been years since we had a leader or two in the team. Robbie Lawton was never a good player but was our last leader,with energy, strong and barked orders. Stated this before but we need growlers in this team! We just don't fight, it's that simple!
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I watched Val Owen playing for his sunday league team this morning. Shame he's not ten years younger.
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I apologise but I have not read the entire thread but I stated in Sinnots first year that he wasn't the right man for Alty. He will never be, we are 3 or 4 quality players short of being champions but it's not just that, I've mentioned this so many times - he can't get them up for games, we do do have good players but very soft players! To get out of this league we need to play a bit dirty, with passion, players who pull their socks up. It's been years since we had a leader or two in the team. Robbie Lawton was never a good player but was our last leader,with energy, strong and barked orders. Stated this before but we need growlers in this team! We just don't fight, it's that simple!
this ^^
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I apologise but I have not read the entire thread but I stated in Sinnots first year that he wasn't the right man for Alty. He will never be, we are 3 or 4 quality players short of being champions but it's not just that, I've mentioned this so many times - he can't get them up for games, we do do have good players but very soft players! To get out of this league we need to play a bit dirty, with passion, players who pull their socks up. It's been years since we had a leader or two in the team. Robbie Lawton was never a good player but was our last leader,with energy, strong and barked orders. Stated this before but we need growlers in this team! We just don't fight, it's that simple!
Is Densmore the right man to be captain then?
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if ever a team shot itself in the foot its alty , should have kept bosh, without the yorkies the team is average, I no this wont be popular , but tough s**t
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if ever a team shot itself in the foot its alty , should have kept bosh, without the yorkies the team is average, I no this wont be popular , but tough s**t
100% agree
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A well timed post with a handful of games to go. Congratulations.
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if ever a team shot itself in the foot its alty , should have kept bosh, without the yorkies the team is average, I no this wont be popular , but tough s**t
How do you know Boshell would not have got injured in his next Alty game and missed the rest of the season or just not give a toss because he didnt want to be here?
The answer to every problem the team has seems to be that Boshell no longer play for us. For some people he seems to have god like status and none of the other players seem to matter.
Yes we do miss him but Boshell left many months ago and has just signed a new contract at Guiseley so wont be coming back-Get over it
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It has cost us the title, so I don't think people will be getting over it in a hurry
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It has cost us the title, so I don't think people will be getting over it in a hurry
How do you know we would have won the title?
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I think people are overestimating the importance of Danny Boshell to both Altrincham and Guiseley. It's all speculation. We weren't playing that well even before he quit on the club and I could be wrong but I bet Guiseley have ten other players on the pitch at any one time.
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Ten players in bottom 3 before he arrived
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you must be in cloud cuokoo land, avent you seen guiseleys results since he went back. I thought this topic was why we didn't deserve to go up,
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Of course I have but do you really believe it's solely down to him?
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Ten players in bottom 3 before he arrived
I doubt its the same 10 players there now that started the season
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with out a doubt, the onley mid fielder who could hold aball and actualy PASS IT to a player
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Because, we are good against average teams and average against good teams.Hence our record against the top 6 teams!
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The point is we haven't adequately replaced him. He obviously wanted to return to Guiseley, probably the minute McKittrick got the push as it was their fall out that prompted his loan and subsequent move to us in the first place. What we got out of his move back there has never been made public save the gentlemans' agreement about not playing in competitive games.
On a related point, anyone think Greg Wilkinson could be a key man in the next few weeks? Looked disinterested at a bleak Barrow but showed glimpses of his undoubted talent yesterday.
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On a related point, anyone think Greg Wilkinson could be a key man in the next few weeks? Looked disinterested at a bleak Barrow but showed glimpses of his undoubted talent yesterday.
If the weather stays dry and pitches are fairly firm he could do well. I don't think he can be expected to prosper if he has to plough though mud.
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On a related point, anyone think Greg Wilkinson could be a key man in the next few weeks? Looked disinterested at a bleak Barrow but showed glimpses of his undoubted talent yesterday.
If the weather stays dry and pitches are fairly firm he could do well. I don't think he can be expected to prosper if he has to plough though mud.
I agree, there is defiantly something there. Although I think the lovely green fresh grass in August is more his suiting than a cow pat field at Histon. Hopefully he'll get a run out against Vauxhall
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The bar is being raised i n the Premier every season c ouple this with Allty's inability to go full time (this is not a criticism) would make it very difficult for Alty or any other team currently in the prommotion chase. Telford look like winning the league but were relegated easily last season, the same will happen again. The play off winners i fear would fare little better no matter who was manager. Looking at the chasing pack and their attendances i can't see them raising the revenue to be able to attract the players to be competitive at the higher level. The averge attendance at Alty would need to jump by about 800 to have any chance of being competitive and that is not happening, either that or get a sugar daddy which is a dangerous road to go down
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Again far too much common sense and logic for a post on here.
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The bar in the premier isn't being raised that high, have you seen the top 8??
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The bar is being raised i n the Premier every season c ouple this with Allty's inability to go full time (this is not a criticism) would make it very difficult for Alty or any other team currently in the prommotion chase. Telford look like winning the league but were relegated easily last season, the same will happen again. The play off winners i fear would fare little better no matter who was manager. Looking at the chasing pack and their attendances i can't see them raising the revenue to be able to attract the players to be competitive at the higher level. The averge attendance at Alty would need to jump by about 800 to have any chance of being competitive and that is not happening, either that or get a sugar daddy which is a dangerous road to go down
I'd generally agree on this point if it weren't for the fantastic achievements that Halifax have made this season.
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If you raise the bar too high short people won't be able to get a half-time drink.
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If you raise the bar too high short people won't be able to get a half-time drink.
:D
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In all of this potentially damaging thread, at this stage of the season; which I sincerely hope neither the manager, his assistant or any of the team actually read because they will wonder why they actually bother. You are all forgetting Mike Williams' contribution. Had he been available, I feel we would also have won the league this season, but of course his serious injury has had a marked effect on us.
However, unlike some of you, I feel that many of our players have stepped up to the plate this season, such as Nicky, Shaun, Stuart, Luca, and also not least Scott Leather. Scott is a young, maturing player who is ably chivvied along by Luca and the other players, and will shortly mature into a fine centre back and a legend of the future. All this season the team have played great attacking football which has been great to watch. Whatever happens this seaon I have thoroughly enjoyed myself and found them a hugely entertaining team. We have no divine right to win every game, but I do believe they have done their best and do display complete honesty when things go wrong, starting with our captain doing his job and communicating with us via his programme notes. This is my favourite read in the programme and displays the sincerity we are all looking for. Our team never goes out to lose a game, but it will happen to any team and manager, including Liverpool, City and United. There are odd days when a team will play better than and we will have an off day. There are teams that find it affective to just play hoof ball and win from it such as Telford did recently. In this particular case I would rather watch Altrincham any day, as thery move the ball about this pitch effectively, and attack en mass. This has lead to us being the highest scorers in the league, but on occasions can leave us vulnerable at the back.
I would much rather us play like this, than watch a Telford every week. I took my brother and nephews to the match last Saturday, and they thoroughly enjoyed themsleves; the main reason being that they got what non-league football is about. They enjoyed a drink and banter with our volunteer staff in the bar, including a little banter with Foz when he was selling raffle tickets. They dug their hands in their pockets and bought raffle tickets, two guess the first goal timing tickets each, and pies each. They particularly enjoyed the Chicken Balti pies. Though we all found the first half uneventful and felt we were too wary of the opposition, the second half was totally different and they felt we put up a fine display of attacking football at pace. Now they are talking of going to the Histon game, and getting a group of local friends in Norwich to go with them. Histon is only around 1 hour from Norwich where they now live.
They all finished by saying it was nice to watch players who play because they have a deep love of the game, and not just for the money. They also appreciated the volounteers who work behind the scene, and more than anything else the meer fact that away supporters were in the same bar with us. They now get the attraction of non-league football and why I enjoy it so much. They also displayed amusement to the fact that we all swopped ends at half time and walked past the away fans without incident. Phil my brother thought that if this was Old Trafford whey would have killed each other.
You all know that unlike some of you I am a fan of Lee Sinnott and Tolly and what they have both done. we now play great football which is fabulous to watch, have scored more goals than any other club in this league, finished 7th in Lee's first season, but have been on the up since. I am sure the club and team will learn from last season's playoff, but we got a draw against another good side, who relied on their number 5 to prevent a defeat. Other sides are entitled to win against us as we against them, but it is only when our game plan is sussed because teams have had to do a lot of homework that we get beat. That has not happened that often this season or we would not be in a playoff position.
So in conclusion guys, I refuse to see this season as negative, and I will support my team ongoing. It ain't over til it's over, and not until it is mathematically impossible should any of us give up the title. To the players I say do not read this thread and it's negativity, but we all see the many positive aspects of your play, and the management. Go for it lads, because you have nothing to lose, and deep down we ALL have faith in you.
THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR!!!
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Nice one Steve you certainly make more sense than most on here! I reckon a lot of fans probably share your view but won't say so on here because they'd de shouted down
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A good post Steve, although I don't particularly agree with some of the points in it.
One I do agree with is this thread at this time of the season when we should all be pulling together is damaging and ill timed. I also hope the team and management don't read it.
The issue that I think people have is that we highlighted gaps in the team which have not been filled and that is the frustration. However what we don't know is what work was done to try to fill those gaps with quality players, rather than players to get bums on seats. No point in paying a wage bill for a player who sits on the bench. However what we will probably never know is why we were unable to fill those holes.
I so desperately want to get out of this league, I hate it, it is boring, with no atmosphere.
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I don't agree with posting unduly negative/damaging comments.
However, I will say this: if I was a player and I read the negative comments, it would make me even more determined to go out and prove them wrong by playing out of my skin.
It's all a question of attitude really....
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Steve makes some good points......but along with the defence improving and the attacking options and the pretty football I think most are venting frustration that the final piece which many feel is the one controlling midfield player that Boshell was would have meant we would have got enough points from the must win games to have won the league easily and maybe had a cup run as well has not been found by the manager.......this is just so frustrating especially when we go and sign a left back.....Griffin has been a decent player....but we had a perfectly decent left back in my opinion in Buzz who was committed to the alty cause and many see this as a bit baffling and as if the manager doesn't see the very obvious problem which needs addressing in a far more pressing urgent manner.....ironically a few years ago we couldn't find one left back for love nor money!!!! ;D
some people go a bit far in getting this point across but on the whole I thought that was what a forum was for....it's the sort of conversation that goes on in the bar after the game isn't it?
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Agreed Steve makes some good points, but I still stand by every word of my original post.
We play lovely football at times, but it isn't going to get us up a division. If it did, we'd quickly get kicked back down again by the the very physical likes of Alfreton, Braintree, and others of the same persuasion.
Yes I'll be at Stockport.....and quite probably at Histon. Yes, I'll be rooting for us every inch of the way. But my head overrules my heart right now. I can hope and pray with all of my might, but my belief is in tatters.
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I apologise but I have not read the entire thread but I stated in Sinnots first year that he wasn't the right man for Alty. He will never be, we are 3 or 4 quality players short of being champions but it's not just that, I've mentioned this so many times - he can't get them up for games, we do do have good players but very soft players! To get out of this league we need to play a bit dirty, with passion, players who pull their socks up. It's been years since we had a leader or two in the team. Robbie Lawton was never a good player but was our last leader,with energy, strong and barked orders. Stated this before but we need growlers in this team! We just don't fight, it's that simple!
Spot on
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i dont know if i have the right to comment based on" if you aint seen the matches you aare not allowed an opinion" however i watched us play sh*t against histon and oxford and the other games around the time i was in the uk we were not convincing . this seems to have carried on and been the theme of our season.
our record against the top 6 or so teams is appaling which does not augur well for the play offs , people whose judgement i trust have been crying out for a mid fielder who can hold the ball and distribute . i have a couple of friends who have palyed at this standard and they question commitment .
nobody would be more delighted than i if we pull off a payoff win but i just cant see it .
its another big game on friday and i fear another day of dissapointment , i suppose us beating county in the first game is the only game we have not sh!t it with abig crowd lets hope we can repeat that and march on through the play offs .
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Nice sentiments Steve, but we need to deal with reality
I hope management and players do read this constructive thread
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Nice sentiments Steve, but we need to deal with reality
I hope management and players do read this constructive thread
we are capable of winning the play offs if we turn up
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Nice sentiments Steve, but we need to deal with reality
I hope management and players do read this constructive thread
Not sure if you're aware but the title of the thread is "Why we don't deserve to go up" ???
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Nice sentiments Steve, but we need to deal with reality
I hope management and players do read this constructive thread
Not sure if you're aware but the title of the thread is "Why we don't deserve to go up" ???
I know, to discuss it is a constructive thing isn't it?
To pretend everything great, to kid ourselves isn't doing anyone any good
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Nice sentiments Steve, but we need to deal with reality
I hope management and players do read this constructive thread
Not sure if you're aware but the title of the thread is "Why we don't deserve to go up" ???
I know, to discuss it is a constructive thing isn't it?
To pretend everything great, to kid ourselves isn't doing anyone any good
and hoping the management and team read this is doing good? The time for planning for the future is at the end of the season which is at most seven (?) games away. Not now.
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Current teams fighting for Top 5 based on potential maximum points. Telford United & North Ferriby Unied 87 Pts., Altrincham 83 Pts., Hednesford Town 81 Pts.,m Guiseley 80 Pts., Boston United 77 Pts., Harrogate Town 72 Pts.,m & Brackley Town 71 Pts. Tomorrow is when we all become one & encourage a win @ OXFORD CITY. wHICH WILL MEAN THAT Harrogate Town & BRACKLEY tOWN ARE OUT OF CONTENTION. Just leaving 6 playing for 5 places. Things would even better if HARROGATE beat GUISELEY. Never mind the moaners.
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Nice sentiments Steve, but we need to deal with reality
I hope management and players do read this constructive thread
Not sure if you're aware but the title of the thread is "Why we don't deserve to go up" ???
I know, to discuss it is a constructive thing isn't it?
To pretend everything great, to kid ourselves isn't doing anyone any good
So then Uday, not really a constructive thread then is it?
I am not sure who you are but since you have posted what would appear to be more regularly in the last couple of weeks / months you have continually been negative and controversial in my eyes.
COME ON ALTY - FRIDAY WILL BE HUGE.
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People keep saying "If we'd kept Boshell"
We didn't exact;y kick him out the door. He wanted to leave and I, for one, would much rather have a player who WANTS to play for my team than one who wants to be elsewhere.
Bosh was a quality midfielder but he only came to us because he'd had a fall out at Guisely. He went back there as soon as he could so, clearly that is where he wants to be. Getting hold of another player like him, as has been proved, is not easy. Efforts have been made but other places are more inviting to some, particularly given our reluctance to spend cash we don't have.
It is indicative of how this Club has been run for a very long time that we were civilised enough to let him go (with attached restrictions) and aware enough to know that we would most likely not get the best from him so he would not be contributing as fully as we would have needed him to and hoped that he would.
If we'd kept Tom Kearney (different reasons for losing him I know), we'd not have been relegated. We dtill haven't replaced him, not even with Boshell
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OMG for once i agree with ATS.
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OMG for once i agree with ATS.
Me too. Damn :o
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At the end of the day, it's all Frank Sinclairs fault
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I think the problem is what is there in midfield instead if for instance we had a player who was not as good as boshell but good enough eg say Liam king wouldev had enough by the way that's not me saying we should sign Liam king