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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: RocketDan on May 02, 2010, 03:13:48 PM
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While I appreciate that the club obviously runs a tight budget during off-season and revenue generated by season ticket sales is important over the summer, £225 is a lot of money to shell out in one go.
Does the club have any plans to introduce payment via direct debit or other monthly installments? I'm sure quite a few clubs a the BSP level have a similar payment method, for example, a direct debit of £25 a month for 10 months plus a £25 admin cost. Essentially paying £250 for the season working out at £10.89 per game, as apposed to £9.78 if paid in bulk (this does not include the £10 discount if paid for before the end of June).
Before people say, I don't think it would have an adverse effect on current season ticket holders because if you can afford to pay £225 in one one go it works out cheaper to pay it all off in one go. I'm not sure if the club has looked into this but i would be interested to know if people who, like myself, are not current season ticket holders but would take this offer up.
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problem might be the potential for fans to cancel the direct debit if they were doing badly, perhaps five monthly payments starting in april ending august.
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The club allow for payment for season tickets in instalments, as long as they are paid before the season starts. This was in response to people who struggle (like me) to shell out for it all at once.
I think Dans way defeats the object of a season ticket. It would just be like buying a cheaper monthly pass.
All clubs use season ticket money to run through the summer and pay early season bills, hence why its cheaper as an incentive.
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Millwall have done this for the last three years. But they don't issue a traditional book of tickets. Instead you get a card which is electronically loaded with information about you. There is a barcode on the back which is scanned at the turnstile. If anyone cancels the direct debit the card is blocked and the person would be banned from using the scheme again. They do the same with membership cards, that is how they manage to successfully ban people. When the barcode is scanned it shows your photo and tells them every game you have been to since you joined. They know more about us than Tesco.
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Probably most higher level clubs do this too Baldrick, certainly Fulham do. Not a goer technology wise for us though I'm sure.
I hava a "Ahem" "Cottage Card"
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I think Dans way defeats the object of a season ticket. It would just be like buying a cheaper monthly pass.
This.
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how about a 5 or 10 match ticket at a price in between the usual admission price and the season ticket price...say 11.50 per match.
with the recession anything we can do to get money in soon while giving fans more incetive to come while giving them affordable options is worth considering?
would this be an attractive option for rocket dan and can I ask do you normally buy a season ticket dan?
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I normally buy a season ticket but can't afford to pay out one lump sum this year. I could afford a pay monthly option but as it's highly unlikely this will be brought in i'll have to limit myself to two home games a month next season unfortunately.
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It is for hard working people like joe and dan that I stand for...there are tough choices ahead and the working man season ticket credit has been designed specifically to bring thousands of families out of saturday afternoon misery and into football support....and if people can support Alty yet simply refuse I will cut off their benefits!!!!
Seriously the club does need to understand that there are stalwart alty fans like me and even more casual alty fans who have to make a choice as to wether to pay a lot of hard earned money and justify it to their families to go and watch alty or save the money and stay at home and some of us sadly cannot justify the cost reasonable as it is and cheapest in the BSP as it is and we decide to stay at home on a saturday and we hate it!!!
We have incomes and budgets and even on my reasonably decent wage even £26 a month for two matches has to be carefully considered as to wether it would not be best spent on paying for eleven plus tuition for my daughter for example.
So anything, anything the club can do to help is appreciated.....I actually became a steward for a couple of years when i was really poor so i could at least get in to see the alty but it wasn't me....I couldn't be impartial!
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Maybe they could do a half year ticket in advance?..like a 2010 ticket or something with a lesser saving but still a saving.
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I have just read through this thread and it brings me to one conclusion. (And this is not a dig at Alty but football in general) It is too expensive.
There are probably many more people than have posted on here that are trying to justify the expense of a season ticket or even paying on the gate for a few chosen matches.
We are in or just out of (depending which idiot politician you listen to) a recession, either way money is tight: and people are looking for better value for what they spend and a football match, with one or two exceptions, does not deliver better value. IMO.
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Season ticket too expensive? Can't shell out all at once?
Try saving up for it.
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I know this may sound a bit harsh, but i agree with the post above. Everyone knows the season starts August and season tickets bought end of June get discount, i think the discount has been running for a few years now. If you can't shell out at once maybe start after Christmas saving for the following season ?
Paying in instalments/block of tickets upfront at discounted price defeats the object of season tickets IMO, and thats to give the club a bit of income during close season. Offering such schemes would have an adverse affect.
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Season ticket too expensive? Can't shell out all at once?
Try saving up for it.
Whilst there is some truth in this, it's a bit harsh on people with young kids and mortgages/rent to pay. It's not always easy to save when you've got lots to pay out for.
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Another problem with Season Tickets, that I am currently struggling with, is those in the 16-18 age bracket. My season ticket this year has gone up from £50 to £115- a sum I just can't afford. I may be able to attend a few matches but I think I may have to watch another club every week.
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Season ticket too expensive? Can't shell out all at once?
Try saving up for it.
Dick! Not everyone has spare money to save up for a season ticket,in order to that i'd have to miss a season and save up my gate money to buy next years season ticket.
It is for hard working people like joe and dan that I stand for...there are tough choices ahead and the working man season ticket credit has been designed specifically to bring thousands of families out of saturday afternoon misery and into football support....and if people can support Alty yet simply refuse I will cut off their benefits!!!!
Seriously the club does need to understand that there are stalwart alty fans like me and even more casual alty fans who have to make a choice as to wether to pay a lot of hard earned money and justify it to their families to go and watch alty or save the money and stay at home and some of us sadly cannot justify the cost reasonable as it is and cheapest in the BSP as it is and we decide to stay at home on a saturday and we hate it!!!
We have incomes and budgets and even on my reasonably decent wage even £26 a month for two matches has to be carefully considered as to wether it would not be best spent on paying for eleven plus tuition for my daughter for example.
So anything, anything the club can do to help is appreciated.....I actually became a steward for a couple of years when i was really poor so i could at least get in to see the alty but it wasn't me....I couldn't be impartial!
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This sums up my situation. I've also got a daughter taking her secondary school entrance exams in September and tuition isn't cheap. I've also tried being a steward but again i just can't be impartial.
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Ian...have you ever considered a career as a conservative MP? lol
It is a dilemna between commitment, affordability and the club's need to get money in early....one seemingly good idea to benefit the worse off has a bad effect on the status quo.
I can't help agreeing though, football is too expensive for many to commit to as often as they'd like...and it's expensive coz we are competing....it really galls me to pay £18 at some away grounds and i know the extra money is going to pay for fitter better quality players to beat the players I'm supporting....saying that I'd rather pay the higher prices occasionally and have us in the BSP than pay £7 to watch us play vauxhall motors.....
Maybe we need a means tested season ticket price? THAT'S A JOKE!
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Season ticket too expensive? Can't shell out all at once?
Try saving up for it.
Try saving up for it living 40 miles away on a pension and having to fund two places as Mrs S likes to go whenever I do.
I almost never rise to bait on here except when it's about m*cc or v*cs but your superficial pretentiousness is breathtaking matey.
As it happens, my kids are clubbing up to pay for season tickets for both me and Mrs S for next season otherwise I'd be forced to miss games I wanted to go to for financial reasons you don't seem to comprehend.
One home match for us with the obligatory programme (I collect them), a glass of red in the NWS (ok I could miss that out I suppose) and petrol comes to nearly £50. We just can't afford it (or save up for it) more than once a month.
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The tough times are going to get tougher, no matter who wins the election. All football clubs, inc. Alty will be operating in a very different, tougher financial world in 12 months time I'm sure. People feeling the squeeze now will really struggle to stump up money to see as many Alty games as they would like. Vote for who you want, support whatever team you want, cash IS going to be harder to find. Saving up for a trip to the Alty is fine Ian, but where folk could maybe afford that twice a month last season it could be once a month in 2010 / 2011. And that hits the budget at Moss Lane.
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I bet Ian has a picture of Margaret Thatcher on his wall.
Football is far too expensive in this country. The prices we pay on the gate at Alty (and I accept they're better than most of the rest of the division) would get you into a Bundesliga game, with all the amenities and top level football on show.
The fact people are shelling out £40+ at United and even £65+ at Arsenal and Chelsea is totally baffling.
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I bet Ian has a picture of Margaret Thatcher on his wall.
Football is far too expensive in this country. The prices we pay on the gate at Alty (and I accept they're better than most of the rest of the division) would get you into a Bundesliga game, with all the amenities and top level football on show.
The fact people are shelling out £40+ at United and even £65+ at Arsenal and Chelsea is totally baffling.
Two season tickets - First tier of the North Stand at Old Trafford - Just had the renewal letter though last week - £817 each
and that's just the league matches - No discount for paying up front.
The robbing baskets also want £43 for the Mickey Mouse Coca Cola Wotsit Cup when they shove the reserves out and the group stages of the Champions League.
And then they wonder why they can't flog the tickets ?
My prediction for next season is that United will be playing to less than capacity houses for many of the lesser matches next season.
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I bet Ian has a picture of Margaret Thatcher on his wall.
Football is far too expensive in this country. The prices we pay on the gate at Alty (and I accept they're better than most of the rest of the division) would get you into a Bundesliga game, with all the amenities and top level football on show.
The fact people are shelling out £40+ at United and even £65+ at Arsenal and Chelsea is totally baffling.
Two season tickets - First tier of the North Stand at Old Trafford - Just had the renewal letter though last week - £817 each
and that's just the league matches - No discount for paying up front.
The robbing baskets also want £43 for the Mickey Mouse Coca Cola Wotsit Cup when they shove the reserves out and the group stages of the Champions League.
And then they wonder why they can't flog the tickets ?
My prediction for next season is that United will be playing to less than capacity houses for many of the lesser matches next season.
I doubt it theres thousands of fans from ireland etc who will pay to see any first team games
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I bet Ian has a picture of Margaret Thatcher on his wall.
Football is far too expensive in this country. The prices we pay on the gate at Alty (and I accept they're better than most of the rest of the division) would get you into a Bundesliga game, with all the amenities and top level football on show.
The fact people are shelling out £40+ at United and even £65+ at Arsenal and Chelsea is totally baffling.
Two season tickets - First tier of the North Stand at Old Trafford - Just had the renewal letter though last week - £817 each
and that's just the league matches - No discount for paying up front.
The robbing baskets also want £43 for the Mickey Mouse Coca Cola Wotsit Cup when they shove the reserves out and the group stages of the Champions League.
And then they wonder why they can't flog the tickets ?
My prediction for next season is that United will be playing to less than capacity houses for many of the lesser matches next season.
(S)Alty - just had my renewal from Man U too - £779 for NE quad. They've held the price but it's simply getting a bridge too far and I get a lot more satisfaction from going to Salisbury (and losing) as you really feel part of the family as opposed to just being some mug lining the Glazer's pocket.
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are we not charging too much? We're dearer than some premiership clubs...
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I get a lot more satisfaction from going to Salisbury (and losing) as you really feel part of the family as opposed to just being some mug lining the Glazer's pocket.
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Exactly why I won't be spending any money at OT this season, and will be putting my £225 into Alty FC again.
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I bet Ian has a picture of Margaret Thatcher on his wall.
Football is far too expensive in this country. The prices we pay on the gate at Alty (and I accept they're better than most of the rest of the division) would get you into a Bundesliga game, with all the amenities and top level football on show.
The fact people are shelling out £40+ at United and even £65+ at Arsenal and Chelsea is totally baffling.
You make that sound like its a bad thing.
I have mine between Pamela Anderson and Lucy Pinder!
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are we not charging too much? We're dearer than some premiership clubs...
This debate has been done before...we can't do much more than be the cheapest in the league. Anything else just makes us less competitive than we already are.
Man City sell kids tickets for a fiver and give a free kids home shirt to start buildign loyalty.
Thats only because thay have huge sky money comign in and rich owners...gate money meas nothing.
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are we not charging too much? We're dearer than some premiership clubs...
This debate has been done before...we can't do much more than be the cheapest in the league. Anything else just makes us less competitive than we already are.
Man City sell kids tickets for a fiver and give a free kids home shirt to start buildign loyalty.
Thats only because thay have huge sky money comign in and rich owners...gate money meas nothing.
Point taken there, but what about the 16-18 age gap? Next season I will probably be joining my mate at Bolton instead of putting mt money into Alty. The reasoning behind this is that I will pay £45 for a season ticket, wheras at Alty I will have to pay £115- that's an extra £70 that I just don't have.
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That'll be an extra 70 quid you'll be spending on travel, petrol, trains, buses etc up to Bolton 20 times a season! And the rest... It's a moot point anyway, the club can't do more than get 16-18yr olds in for £5 a game, that's tremendous. If Bolton can do it for £2.25 then fair play to them but sometimes it's not all about the money.
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Frankly, I'd pay £45 to avoid having to watch Bolton....
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I've ripped my season ticket renewal up, im off to watch premiership Blackpool and up and coming Fleetwood...
NOT !
Alty through and through :)
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it's a strange one, where do people draw the line between 'children', 'adult' and 'concession'?
I don't know what other clubs do with regards to young people, I use this word loosely as I seem to remember Nottingham Forest offered an under 21's season ticket price. Personally there should be a flat rate for under 16's, regardless whether they are 5 or 15. Then concession applies essentially to anyone not working over 16 (so basically OAPs, people in full time education or unemployed)
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Time to hi jack the thread.
Last year we had 3 matches where additional stewards were required at a cost to the club if i can increase the team more this may be avoided.
Altrincham Football Club are seeking additional stewards for matchdays for the 2010-2011 season
Do you like working as part of a team and can deal with the public
Full training will be given and a nationally recognised NVQ in spectator safety is achievable.
You must be willing to do both Altrincham Football Club and Manchester United reserve games.
You must be over 17 years of age and flexible due to different match times and days
All positions are voluntary
If interested please contact the club on 0161-928-1045 and leave your name and telephone number
and i will get back to you
Email me here altychiefsteward@ntlworld.com or personnel message me on this forum.
Safety Officer
Darren Gregory
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problem might be the potential for fans to cancel the direct debit if they were doing badly
I'm sure if it could be set up in a fixed contract.
Personally, I think it would be an appealing prospect for the 15-18 game a season regulars (like myself) to get to more/all the games.
I don't think the club would lose money, as floating fans would be come to (and therefore paying money for) games that they previously/otherwise would have come to. For example with my direct debit suggestion of £250 in total (£25per month for 10months), equates to just over 19 games at the regular gate price of £13. By contractually obliging fans to pay by direct debit, the club would guaranteed a steady flow of income into the club. Also the possibility of increased attendances hopefully lead to and increase in spending on programs and pies etc. as regulars started attending not most, but every fixture.
Another way of looking at is this:
'Fan A' turns up to every game and pays £13 on the gate (£299 over the season). Can the club risk the fact that such a fan will come to every game and not miss a few therefore essentially paying £250 anyway?
'Fan B' turns up to 18 games every season and pays £13 on the gate (£234 over the season). Is it worth the risk that they only come to/pay for 16 matches? Or would the chance of a season ticket paid in monthly installment costing an extra £16 over the year be appealing to him/her?
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Time to hi jack the thread.
Last year we had 3 matches where additional stewards were required at a cost to the club if i can increase the team more this may be avoided.
Altrincham Football Club are seeking additional stewards for matchdays for the 2010-2011 season
Do you like working as part of a team and can deal with the public
Full training will be given and a nationally recognised NVQ in spectator safety is achievable.
You must be willing to do both Altrincham Football Club and Manchester United reserve games.
You must be over 17 years of age and flexible due to different match times and days
All positions are voluntary
If interested please contact the club on 0161-928-1045 and leave your name and telephone number
and i will get back to you
Email me here altychiefsteward@ntlworld.com or personnel message me on this forum.
Safety Officer
Darren Gregory
Can you get well supported away clubs to bring their own stewards to help out?
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Time to hi jack the thread.
Last year we had 3 matches where additional stewards were required at a cost to the club if i can increase the team more this may be avoided.
Altrincham Football Club are seeking additional stewards for matchdays for the 2010-2011 season
Do you like working as part of a team and can deal with the public
Full training will be given and a nationally recognised NVQ in spectator safety is achievable.
You must be willing to do both Altrincham Football Club and Manchester United reserve games.
You must be over 17 years of age and flexible due to different match times and days
All positions are voluntary
If interested please contact the club on 0161-928-1045 and leave your name and telephone number
and i will get back to you
Email me here altychiefsteward@ntlworld.com or personnel message me on this forum.
Safety Officer
Darren Gregory
Can you get well supported away clubs to bring their own stewards to help out?
Yes but they all want paying.
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This is one of the problems with automatic promtion/relegation. It is all about money.
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Time to hi jack the thread.
Last year we had 3 matches where additional stewards were required at a cost to the club if i can increase the team more this may be avoided.
Altrincham Football Club are seeking additional stewards for matchdays for the 2010-2011 season
Do you like working as part of a team and can deal with the public
Full training will be given and a nationally recognised NVQ in spectator safety is achievable.
You must be willing to do both Altrincham Football Club and Manchester United reserve games.
You must be over 17 years of age and flexible due to different match times and days
All positions are voluntary
If interested please contact the club on 0161-928-1045 and leave your name and telephone number
and i will get back to you
Email me here altychiefsteward@ntlworld.com or personnel message me on this forum.
Safety Officer
Darren Gregory
I don't think Darren is necessarily hijacking the thread. The stewards do a great job and as Darren has said, training etc is provided. What Darren has not said, is that you get to attend the game for free. So for those that love Alty, but are absolutely skint, then surely there is an incentive here to volunteer.
Obviously there is some serious stewarding work to do and this will involve getting there early, leaving late, missing bits of the game in order to do the job properly and remaining completely impartial!
Back to the main point. I think the club can do no more than be the cheapest at this level, if other clubs can offer tickets at cheaper prices then so be it. There are lots of other things to do for less money including watching United and City on the telly in the Stonemasons. Unfortunately this is why the club only averages 1100 per annum and finds it so hard to compete at this level. Every person that takes this option ultimately impacts on the clubs ability to push on each season, so please no moaning if we see very little new blood over the Summer.
Offering seaon tickets by direct debit or at reduced rates just defeats the object of a season ticket (from the clubs point of view) in the first place - it is all about upfront cashflow and surety of turnover. Can people not see that ?
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are we not charging too much? We're dearer than some premiership clubs...
This debate has been done before...we can't do much more than be the cheapest in the league. Anything else just makes us less competitive than we already are.
Man City sell kids tickets for a fiver and give a free kids home shirt to start buildign loyalty.
Thats only because thay have huge sky money comign in and rich owners...gate money meas nothing.
Point taken there, but what about the 16-18 age gap? Next season I will probably be joining my mate at Bolton instead of putting mt money into Alty. The reasoning behind this is that I will pay £45 for a season ticket, wheras at Alty I will have to pay £115- that's an extra £70 that I just don't have.
What a true Alty fan you are ::)