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Title: More disappointment
Post by: bigcol on November 27, 2011, 05:07:16 PM
Tell me if any of these points are wrong about Alty?  I don't whinge on this forum, but today has started me really think about the situation.


I don't get it at all.  If we have a wage budget, why is it spent on about 12 players plus youth?  Where's the sense in that?  No competition for places, no issue with loss of form, up sh*t creek when we have more than one injury/suspension.  Why isn't it spent on 18 or 24 players?  Surely a team of slightly 'lesser' players is better than the swiss cheese we have now.

If we had a plan I'd accept it as transition or whatever.  I love Alty but i'm losing the faith with Lee & Neil. 
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: seasonticket on November 27, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
It has been obvious to everyone that the defence has been poor all season. What has our supposed saviour manager done to address the problem. Apart from letting one of the few triers go (lawton), he has only brought in strikers or midfielders recently. Has he any idea about football management.  Maybe he should stick to playing one the football manager games. If he is good enough that is.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: phantom_saint on November 27, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
What do you suggest, that we spend the wage budget on a select few, say 5+?? Hows that sustainable!!

Wage budget???!!! Get reall!!! Altrincham have no cash, no budget etc!!  We really on fundraising and teenagers panning around the ground with buckets!! and you expect results at this level??? Come on!!

The success of the club isnt just reliant on the players, its those off the pitch also!!! The board (if there is one) needs to make the club look attractive to entice investment or finance!! However, i suppose that's another question, how do we make the club look attractive??!!!


Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: bigcol on November 27, 2011, 05:28:16 PM
That argument was valid in BSP but with a few exceptions we are amongst clubs with similar or not worse facilities, fan base and money.

I suggested we spend the wage budget on more players on a lesser wage.

What I don't get is there doesn't seem to be a plan.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: mikeford2005 on November 27, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
That argument was valid in BSP but with a few exceptions we are amongst clubs with similar or not worse facilities, fan base and money.

I suggested we spend the wage budget on more players on a lesser wage.

What I don't get is there doesn't seem to be a plan.

With all due respect, we may have the facilities but we need people to turn up to them. The club and tasc put a lot of effort into organising the race night last week, but it was an embarasement due to how few people turned up. There must have only been 30 people there, everyone of them the usuals who help out on a matchday. It could have been a successful fundraiser going straight to the squad, but instead only raised £600. I understand it was a depressing day football wise, but I'd argue every team in this league (many who we think we're bigger than) would have got a bigger turnout in similar a situation.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: joe on November 27, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
That argument was valid in BSP but with a few exceptions we are amongst clubs with similar or not worse facilities, fan base and money.

I suggested we spend the wage budget on more players on a lesser wage.

What I don't get is there doesn't seem to be a plan.

With all due respect, we may have the facilities but we need people to turn up to them. The club and tasc put a lot of effort into organising the race night last week, but it was an embarasement due to how few people turned up. There must have only been 30 people there, everyone of them the usuals who help out on a matchday. It could have been a successful fundraiser going straight to the squad, but instead only raised £600. I understand it was a depressing day football wise, but I'd argue every team in this league (many who we think we're bigger than) would have got a bigger turnout in similar a situation.

Alot of people can't afford to attend fundraisers. It's hard enough getting spare cash together to watch the match itself especially with Christmas just around the corner!
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Robin Reliant on November 27, 2011, 06:04:51 PM
That argument was valid in BSP but with a few exceptions we are amongst clubs with similar or not worse facilities, fan base and money.

I suggested we spend the wage budget on more players on a lesser wage.

What I don't get is there doesn't seem to be a plan.

With all due respect, we may have the facilities but we need people to turn up to them. The club and tasc put a lot of effort into organising the race night last week, but it was an embarasement due to how few people turned up. There must have only been 30 people there, everyone of them the usuals who help out on a matchday. It could have been a successful fundraiser going straight to the squad, but instead only raised £600. I understand it was a depressing day football wise, but I'd argue every team in this league (many who we think we're bigger than) would have got a bigger turnout in similar a situation.

Alot of people can't afford to attend fundraisers. It's hard enough getting spare cash together to watch the match itself especially with Christmas just around the corner!
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And many on the forum are Alty Exiles who can't even get to a match let alone an evening fundraiser
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on November 27, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
That argument was valid in BSP but with a few exceptions we are amongst clubs with similar or not worse facilities, fan base and money.

I suggested we spend the wage budget on more players on a lesser wage.

What I don't get is there doesn't seem to be a plan.

With all due respect, we may have the facilities but we need people to turn up to them. The club and tasc put a lot of effort into organising the race night last week, but it was an embarasement due to how few people turned up. There must have only been 30 people there, everyone of them the usuals who help out on a matchday. It could have been a successful fundraiser going straight to the squad, but instead only raised £600. I understand it was a depressing day football wise, but I'd argue every team in this league (many who we think we're bigger than) would have got a bigger turnout in similar a situation.


With all due respect, Mike, the club is continually fishing in the same pond when it comes to fundraising.

The same people are being called on time and time again and there is a limit to how much you can give, especially in this current economic climate.

I sponsored a pig last weekend but, frankly, have better things to do with my Saturday evening than watch a film of it running around a track (no Twiss jokes, please).

Meanwhile, we watch overpaid players fail to win us a single cup tie....over and over again.

The management and team had the chance to gain £4,000 for the club at Gigg Lane this afternoon.
Yet again, this opportunity was squandered.

Patience is running out.





  

 
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 27, 2011, 06:12:16 PM
How many race nights do Hyde Guiseley and stalybridge have?? sh*thouse performances cannot be blamed on those that didn't attend a race night a month before christmas, an average gate of 750 at 13 quid a pop should make us more than a match for most in our league,and below.Maybe the 40 odd grand in "administrative costs"???  we accrued last season could have helped us build a better side this season.I love how it's always the fans fault, I bet whoever  told densmore to not bother clapping us is part of the problem aswell.......
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: RocketDan on November 27, 2011, 06:24:17 PM
Potato head out.

and take your suit with you.

gutless.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Knutsford Alty on November 27, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
RocketDan who do you want instead or haven't you thought about that?
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Ballers on November 27, 2011, 06:28:27 PM
RocketDan who do you want instead or haven't you thought about that?

I hate this argument, are you saying we should stick with Lee Sinnott because we haven't got anyone lined up? That's not a reason to stick with or get rid of a manager!
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Knutsford Alty on November 27, 2011, 06:34:42 PM
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Potato head out.

and take your suit with you.

gutless.

Perhaps I am daft to think of a replacement being in the wings with comments like that.  

Comments like that are damn right rude!
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: markecky on November 27, 2011, 06:38:00 PM
What should the new manager wear and how long is he allowed to get a team that wins every match?
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Knutsford Alty on November 27, 2011, 06:39:09 PM
He cant be bald and wear a suit, otherwise he is f*cked
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: bigcol on November 27, 2011, 06:47:09 PM
How many race nights do Hyde Guiseley and stalybridge have??   

Although rather fortright in expression, I think this is the crux of the issue.  What are these teams doing that we aren't?  Hyde have just sold their best player (for a tidy sum I presume) and are sitting pretty, Staly have a policy of bringing on youth which is now working and Guiseley seem to be turning our squad players and brickies of yesteryear into decent BSN match winners.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 27, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
Crowther wasn't on contract at Hyde and went on a free, we couldn't sign him in the summer though,we were too busy offering deals to those that blew above 6 chances to stay up last year...
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: RocketDan on November 27, 2011, 06:57:09 PM
RocketDan who do you want instead or haven't you thought about that?

Robbie Lawton.

or anyone wearing a tracksuit.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: RocketDan on November 27, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
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Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: finnquark on November 27, 2011, 07:12:55 PM
I can't decide whether RocketDan has just added his name to the pantheon of comedy greats with a sublime piece of irony, or if he's just a hapless idiot.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Toff Apple on November 27, 2011, 07:57:59 PM
He cant be bald and wear a suit, otherwife he is f*cked
I therefore will not be throwing my hat into the ring
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on November 27, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
Maybe the 40 odd grand in "administrative costs"???  we accrued last season could have helped us build a better side this season.

Try telling that to the people who want him back in charge.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: distancetraveller on November 27, 2011, 08:17:49 PM
On the question of Fundraising events for the club I have a couple of relevant points.

1.  Last season we were encouraged to buy/sponsor the squares of pitch which would appear in the programme.. We bought a few squares but correct me if I am wrong no such article appeared in the programme last season.

2.  Later on last season we were all asked / encouraged to buy a Super Draw ticket at 10 quid a throw with lots of different prizes such as - mascot for the day, a signed football etc etc - myself and Mrs Traveller were down on the list of winners but lo and behold nothing has ever been mentioned since the publication of the winners list.

I will support Alty FC whenever I can TASC,  Patronage, Lottery.  etc etc but I do think it is the thin end of the wedge when people do contribute and then Sweet FA happens afterwards.   Just a thought for when the club isnt heaving next time they have a fundraising evening.
Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: distancetraveller on November 27, 2011, 08:24:44 PM
I dont think sacking Lee Sinnott so early in his managership will solve the problem - If we have sod all money then as I have previously said Sir AF would struggle - Yes the defence needs sorting out PDQ and players need competition for places otherwise they will just train Tue & Thurs knowing they will get a pick for Saturday....

I didnt go today so will not comment on the game but reading the comments it was business as usual away from home.

What does concern me is Halifax away next Sat and Corby at home the following Tues..

The weather might be ok just now but its going to be a long awd winter at Moss Lane by the looks of things..

Where has the passion and pride gone from the playing squad?

Title: Re: More disappointment
Post by: blackpoolalty on November 27, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
Dont want to appear jumping on the bandwagon but I was quite surprised to recieve a cheque for £35 off the club in the post a few weeks back. I then realised it must've been for winning either the Yankee or the friends draw, both of which I participate in, then thinking I hadn't seen anything for a while about the friends scheme for months.

I stand corrected if anything has been posted on the website but I hadn't and still have no clue what I had won ! Perhaps a small note would have me feel more confident in the fundraising at the club