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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Hugh on October 06, 2022, 10:52:52 PM
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Believe it or not, there is a minority group here in England, inevitably including football followers, who endeavour to pay by cash only as far as possible as a point of principle, and in fact possible reasons for this are not hard to find. Whilst there may be people who consider it acceptable to be prejudiced against this particular minority group (though I would hope and expect that such bigotry would not be aired on here), the point is that the decision for whatever reasons not to accept cash payments from some or all spectators by certain football clubs (and notably, of course, Wrexham) tends towards the exclusion of such football supporters, and I would tentatively suggest that reasonable efforts should be made by clubs (as has happened at Alty) to accommodate people from this group, the same as with other minority groups. I repeat, Alty for all. Alienate groups of people and they (and for that matter other people who care about the treatment of minorities) may leave for good.
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Believe it or not, there is a minority group here in England, inevitably including football followers, who endeavour to pay by cash only as far as possible as a point of principle, and in fact possible reasons for this are not hard to find. Whilst there may be people who consider it acceptable to be prejudiced against this particular minority group (though I would hope and expect that such bigotry would not be aired on here), the point is that the decision for whatever reasons not to accept cash payments from some or all spectators by certain football clubs (and notably, of course, Wrexham) tends towards the exclusion of such football supporters, and I would tentatively suggest that reasonable efforts should be made by clubs (as has happened at Alty) to accommodate people from this group, the same as with other minority groups. I repeat, Alty for all. Alienate groups of people and they (and for that matter other people who care about the treatment of minorities) may leave for good.
Can you expand on those reasons, Hugh? I can appreciate that this may discriminate against people who don't have credit or access to modern technology, but it also offers a protection against football clubs, and other retailers, from being robbed of a pile of cash., with their employees potentially being subject to violence, and enables clubs to plan for the level of attendance.
I am not sure why it's "notably" Wrexham, incidentally. as I am sure Altrincham urged everyone to get advance tickets where possible a few days ago. "Where possible" is an important proviso, there, admittedly.
I don't entirely disagree on libertarian grounds, but it is a balance where people who want to enjoy their freedom to pay by cash are adding an element of risk of theft (or catching covid?:))to a worker who has no choice, just as smokers do when they smoke in a worker's presence. As I say, it's a balance. If you want to make football available for all, I suggest cheaper tickets would be more helpful, but that's a different story.
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Worlds biggest persecution complex.
Wanting to be unbanked is one thing, then finding ways to complain about your choices is another.
I must say though it's great to see you've not lost your vigour for using word soup to avoid making a coherent point.
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I would have been excluded during the period of my bankruptcy 2013/4. There are people out there who absolutely need to pay cash, and if this incompetent bunch of tossers in Westminster carry on as they are there'll be more of them. God help the self-employed.
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Cash is expensive to manage, far easier to hide from taxation and makes a simple target for a crime of violence. If people choose to use cash then go ahead but businesses can also choose who to trade with, and how.
Cash, like smoking, is dying out. There will be a small % who persist for a variety of reasons like there are people who have no mains power. So long as they're happy and harming nobody else...carry on.
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Financial exclusion is something I focus on in my line of work; to that degree, Hugh - I agree.
Just don't be surprised if we get to the point where there's one dedicated cash turnstile and the rest are e-ticket only.
We adjust according to demand and there's nothing wrong with the club encouraging people to try e-tickets if it helps from an operational point of view.
Personally I park up, buy my e-ticket in my 30 second walk to the ground (God bless Google Chrome autofill) - and sail straight through the gate. The club have now asked me to try buying my ticket much more in advance, therefore I'm going to try my best to do that if they're telling me that helps them understand what infrastructure they need.
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I'd say we should take cash, but it should be via a ticket window at the sample place people pick up comps, rather than turnstile.
Southend you have to pay cash then take ticket to turnstyle. Or use an eticket. Same couldnapply.
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I'd say we should take cash, but it should be via a ticket window at the sample place people pick up comps, rather than turnstile.
Southend you have to pay cash then take ticket to turnstyle. Or use an eticket. Same couldnapply.
That's a good and a sensible option. I wouldn't be surprised to see this introduced if the electric option is extended.
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I'd say we should take cash, but it should be via a ticket window at the sample place people pick up comps, rather than turnstile.
Southend you have to pay cash then take ticket to turnstyle. Or use an eticket. Same couldnapply.
That's a good and a sensible option. I wouldn't be surprised to see this introduced if the electric option is extended.
I've experienced that at other grounds and it seems to work ok.
On a slightly different tack I think we are Turkeys voting for Christmas. It's only a matter of time before the banks start ramping up the charges for their e-payment services and at the end of the day there is only going to be one loser.
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There are those that believe digital currency enables governments and big tech to monitor your spending habits. In a distopian world you could then be limited to spending your money on things that are approved....i.e. an overweight person limited to healthy food.
It all sounds so far fetched that it could never happen.....however only last week people had their Paypal accounts frozen for comments they had made on Twitter about certain political idealogies. The PM of Canada, Trudeau also froze the bank accounts of truckers protesting about lockdowns and economic harms to the haulage industry.
Personally I cannot imagine it in my lifetime, but from someone who's son was not allowed to eat chocolate at lunch at a Trafford primary school...then I can see some merit in their theory
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I'd say we should take cash, but it should be via a ticket window at the sample place people pick up comps, rather than turnstile.
Southend you have to pay cash then take ticket to turnstyle. Or use an eticket. Same couldnapply.
That's a good and a sensible option. I wouldn't be surprised to see this introduced if the electric option is extended.
I've experienced that at other grounds and it seems to work ok.
On a slightly different tack I think we are Turkeys voting for Christmas. It's only a matter of time before the banks start ramping up the charges for their e-payment services and at the end of the day there is only going to be one loser.
An astute observation cat and a consequence of a cashless society I hadn’t thought of. If we had no alternative to turn to the banks would have us over a barrel and they don’t have a very good track record when it comes to having a social conscience.
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I noticed that Warrington Town now charge more for cash payment at the turnstile (£12) against £10 for an e-ticket
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I noticed that Warrington Town now charge more for cash payment at the turnstile (£12) against £10 for an e-ticket
That a bit naughty, is it legal to do this?
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Might be advanced vs not.
Notts county charge 2 quid more on the day
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I noticed that Warrington Town now charge more for cash payment at the turnstile (£12) against £10 for an e-ticket
That a bit naughty, is it legal to do this?
Many clubs are doing this
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In the catering Kiosks we are regularly over 50% paying by card now - from a speed and efficiency angle I prefer cash - I can process a cash transaction much faster than a card payment and speed is important at half time when you have a queue. Interesting how many kids now present card payment, typically for small purchase such as £1 for a chocolate bar !
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Worlds biggest persecution complex.
Wanting to be unbanked is one thing, then finding ways to complain about your choices is another.
I must say though it's great to see you've not lost your vigour for using word soup to avoid making a coherent point.
Just trying to make sure that jokers like you understand the issue a bit. :)
Now do us a favour and ask Google if Bromsgrove Rovers really did have two players called Burger and Crisp, or if my memory's playing tricks on me...
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Financial exclusion is something I focus on in my line of work; to that degree, Hugh - I agree.
Just don't be surprised if we get to the point where there's one dedicated cash turnstile and the rest are e-ticket only.
We adjust according to demand and there's nothing wrong with the club encouraging people to try e-tickets if it helps from an operational point of view.
Personally I park up, buy my e-ticket in my 30 second walk to the ground (God bless Google Chrome autofill) - and sail straight through the gate. The club have now asked me to try buying my ticket much more in advance, therefore I'm going to try my best to do that if they're telling me that helps them understand what infrastructure they need.
All that is fair enough, it just gets my goat a bit when there's only one way to get tickets at Wrexham, and that way is reportedly a right pain. Hopefully the exception rather than the rule.
And I must say I suspect that one reason we had a relatively good following at Maidenhead is that they made it easy for away supporters. Personally I wouldn't have gone if I'd had to faff about to get a ticket. I just went down after work, and if the traffic had been bad, I'd have called it off (I got there at 7pm with a clearish run). I don't want to be mucking about printing or computer programming or buying days in advance in those circumstances
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Some very good points raised. I serve a lot of people, notably the older ones, who dread and fear losing cash.
Someone mentioned Paypal's devious cancellation of accounts, but remember Trudeau's actions in stopping accounts of those who supported a legal and legitimate protests against the restrictions in Canada.
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If I was a Canadian trucker (instead of a would be British one), I reckon I'd have some quite strong opinions on this. And I see there's been some quite interesting news on Paypal recently to say the least. I make no apologies for repeating, Alty for all.
And thanks to all who have contributed to this interesting thread, whatever their position. Free and frank exchange of opinions enriches us all and must be defended.
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By way of a contribution to this discussion, we have 5 or 6 turnstiles taking cash at every home match, and that will not change any time soon.
We also have a similar number scanning tickets. We are acutely aware that we have only been selling tickets for one full season - 21/22 - and we cannot expect people who having been paying cash for many years to automatically switch overnight.
It seems to me that clubs who are not selling out games are mad not to accept cash at the turnstiles on the day. Customers should have a choice, and clubs at our level are not in a position to turn away business.
That said, the more advance tickets we sell, the more likely we are to get people into the ground more quickly. Especially in the 15 minutes before kick off where we are always going to have a mad rush, no matter how often we encourage people to get there early!
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Great well-balanced sensible post, Leeds Leeds Alty.