www.altyfans.co.uk
General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: HashtagAlty on April 27, 2020, 08:32:25 PM
-
Clubs have untill Friday to respond on playing Play Offs behind closed doors. No mention of a stream but would hope this would be available.
No vote. Conference to make decision early next week.
-
I would hope we will move heaven and earth to make sure the playoffs happen. Promotion this season would be fantastic. You’ll get a weaken conference next year, no danger. We can do this
-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52444245
-
I don't see how you can have play-offs without finishing the leagues; too many variables!
-
Not sure if its might differ for each league ? Null and void at this level and probably all eventually
-
https://twitter.com/ollie_bayliss/status/1254849857321394185?s=21
-
Would only be between those that finish 2nd to 7th.
Still a chance to expunge all results.
-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52456446?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/london&link_location=live-reporting-story
-
Null and void even eventually in the premier league is most likely outcome, France wont even be playing behind closed doors until at least 1 August
-
Null and void even eventually in the premier league is most likely outcome, France wont even be playing behind closed doors until at least 1 August
That's a new season as well
-
There obviously isn’t a perfect solution either way. But, of all those offered so far, the idea that some clubs still get the opportunity to dictate their own fate this season in the play offs, while other clubs won’t get the opportunity to avoid relegation with 10 games still to play, is probably the least fair option.
-
Great to see the pitch being cut and prepared this morning for the forthcoming playoff game
-
There obviously isn’t a perfect solution either way. But, of all those offered so far, the idea that some clubs still get the opportunity to dictate their own fate this season in the play offs, while other clubs won’t get the opportunity to avoid relegation with 10 games still to play, is probably the least fair option.
If they don't relegate South and North clubs, only Prem. Would you argue that more clubs would be happy than unhappy?
30-34 clubs would be happy for playoffs and automatic promotion based on PPG Vs 14 that wouldn't be best pleased (and only 4 that care dramatically about going down).
Pleased:
3 Automatic promotions.
13 clubs in playoffs
moderately happy as they are title chasers but a chance to go up still.
4 clubs
4 Relegated North Clubs saved
10 clubs in relagtion battles (less than 3 points from safety)
-----
Disappointed:
12 Clubs looking to get playoffs
Furious
4 relegated clubs
-
There obviously isn’t a perfect solution either way. But, of all those offered so far, the idea that some clubs still get the opportunity to dictate their own fate this season in the play offs, while other clubs won’t get the opportunity to avoid relegation with 10 games still to play, is probably the least fair option.
If they don't relegate South and North clubs, only Prem. Would you argue that more clubs would be happy than unhappy?
Maybe, yes. And it could certainly work in our favour. But I wasn’t referring to who was going to be happy or not, I was talking about the fairness/integrity of running a two-tiered system to decide different outcomes, within the same season, across different groups of clubs.
I also think you are over-estimating the number of Conference clubs who wouldn’t prefer the security that comes with another year of steam-rollering Chorley, over a resurgent York or Wealdstone joining them at national level next season instead.
-
Afraid I agree with Timperley The Best. SBL
-
so chester in 7 th on 54 points from 32 games or gateshead on 52 points from 31 games.
no season should be null and void.Start a fresh next season.same for all leagues.No title for Liverpool ;D
-
so chester in 7 th on 54 points from 32 games or gateshead on 52 points from 31 games.
no season should be null and void.Start a fresh next season.same for all leagues.No title for Liverpool ;D
Now, that would be funny!
-
My own view is that next season should be 2 seasons in one; some of which could be behind closed doors or in front of limited maximum attendances...season ticket holders only?
July August the curtain raiser....remaining matches and play offs replace pre season...promotion relegation and championships decided.
Sept to May....a reduced league fixture for the promoted relegated and stay where you are clubs....everyone plays each other once....maybe an enhanced FA cup and trophy with home and away legs to make up the shortfall of fixtures.
Fairest way...clubs win promotion fair and square and we get a full (reduced) season with everyone where they are on merit.
Only downside Liverpool will get their deserved title.....gonna be really funny if they get it by default or are denied in a null and void scenario....we wuz robbed!!! ;D ;D
-
My own view is that next season should be 2 seasons in one; some of which could be behind closed doors or in front of limited maximum attendances...season ticket holders only?
July August the curtain raiser....remaining matches and play offs replace pre season...promotion relegation and championships decided.
Sept to May....a reduced league fixture for the promoted relegated and stay where you are clubs....everyone plays each other once....maybe an enhanced FA cup and trophy with home and away legs to make up the shortfall of fixtures.
Fairest way...clubs win promotion fair and square and we get a full (reduced) season with everyone where they are on merit.
Only downside Liverpool will get their deserved title.....gonna be really funny if they get it by default or are denied in a null and void scenario....we wuz robbed!!! ;D ;D
Interesting stuff I think National League North will either be null and void or ppg ,I cant see next season starting until at least September with crowd limits which is best case scenario .Worst case no footy at this level next season according to some media reports.
-
Your worst case scenario would be interesting. It would decimate the number of clubs
-
Next season will possibly start a few weeks late in a worst case scenario in my opinion.
-
Next season will possibly start a few weeks late in a worst case scenario in my opinion.
Hope that's right but not what many media people are saying all a bit doom and gloom from them
-
That’s why I think it’s odd they’ve closed this season now. If the official restart is next February finishing this season’s fixture list will work fine. What do you do with a Feb start date if you’ve binned off this season as void?
-
Totally agree Bath Alty. Couldn't finish this season quick enough but no idea when next season can start.
-
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/03/safety-officers-claim-input-missing-from-footballs-restart-process-fsoa (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/03/safety-officers-claim-input-missing-from-footballs-restart-process-fsoa)
-
The written press and media have enjoyed catastrophising every part of this awful situation. We’d never win the hearts and minds in a proper war with these People frightening people and filling everyone with negativity every day.
-
The written press and media have enjoyed catastrophising every part of this awful situation. We’d never win the hearts and minds in a proper war with these People frightening people and filling everyone with negativity every day.
They've been a disgrace; never mention how many people have recovered/been let out of hospital etc
-
The written press and media have enjoyed catastrophising every part of this awful situation. We’d never win the hearts and minds in a proper war with these People frightening people and filling everyone with negativity every day.
30k people dying is the most we've had a for a while Pete.
-
500,000 people die every year in the UK. However I’m not specifically talking about the tragic death rate. It’s the general demeanour of the press. Good news doesn’t make headline good headlines. People need some hope not people continually asking the prime minister to apologise for nearly dying or saying Christmas is cancelled or there will
Be no live sport until 2021. They know f**k all like the rest of us on such matters. They just have a bigger platform to speculate on
-
Have you thought that the government might be happy with the situation. They needed to get the fear out there to get people to co-operate and stay at home. The press had a part to play. They've asked questions of the government but haven't forced the issue when the government has sidestepped the question. In my opinion the press have let the government off lightly.
It's always been the case that bad news sells better than good news. Captain Tom is last weeks good news story but the bad news will rumble on for some time yet.
There's not a lot of sport available to fill the media with at the moment.
One story waiting in the wings is Liverpool FC. Is it going to be disgust at Liverpool being unable to cement the title or is it 1000's of spectators ignoring lockdown to celebrate outside Anfield. We'll have to wait and see. Either way you can bet there will be a lot more words written on that than the excellent season they had to get them in that position.
-
The written press and media have enjoyed catastrophising every part of this awful situation. We’d never win the hearts and minds in a proper war with these People frightening people and filling everyone with negativity every day.
There's no doubt that the print media in all its variations have been disgraceful in their willingness to use clickbait headlines to draw attention to their own agenda, regardless of whether they are able to back it up with any proven scientific data. However, to lesson the threat this virus poses or, indeed, the impact that it has had, and will continue to have until their is a vaccine to protect against further transmission, is foolhardy. Social distancing measures have had a positive effect, remove them and that effect disappears too.
My brother in law is Professor of Pharmacology and Head of the Institute of Translational Medicine at one of the country's leading research universities. He is having discussions with scientists across the world on a daily basis, all centred around trying to find a vaccine. If you heard him talk about this virus it would leave you in no doubt whatsoever about the seriousness of what we are facing currently, and the level of caution that needs to be applied when any talk of removing social distancing is being considered.
-
500,000 people die every year in the UK. However I’m not specifically talking about the tragic death rate. It’s the general demeanour of the press. Good news doesn’t make headline good headlines. People need some hope not people continually asking the prime minister to apologise for nearly dying or saying Christmas is cancelled or there will
Be no live sport until 2021. They know f**k all like the rest of us on such matters. They just have a bigger platform to speculate on
Every proventable death is a tragedy
-
Back to football Yeovil town have implied 5 games in 12 days is what has been proposed, although this might just be them referencing the existing structure in their statement
-
Back to football Yeovil town have implied 5 games in 12 days is what has been proposed.
Tuesday Thursday Tuesday Thursday Saturday would be the case you'd imagine
The National League are meeting to make a decision this week on the play offs, possibly today.
-
still do not see how it can be done,no walls unless you have 2 mtr gaps no close marking at corners, no tackling as you have to stay 2 mtrs apart,how is it going to work?
-
I prefer to circumvent the nattering nabobs of negativity by listening to voices of reason on the YouTube. People like David Icke, Nigel Farage, Alex Jones and so on have been a welcoming oasis of calm rationality in this maelstrom of hysteria. Sort of inverted Lord Haw-Haw figures.
-
Personally I think while people are still dying of COVID-19 every day in significant numbers and there is still no clear way forward, be it a vaccine, a natural eradication or whatever of the virus then all sport should just be put on hold. I understand the need to plan but I don't see the point of compromises like playing behind closed doors - sport is a spectator driven pastime for pity's sake. Some people may get upset because they are losing the rewards of a good season but surely its better to have clubs still in business and supporters still around to watch them when we eventually emerge on the other side of this.
-
Personally I think while people are still dying of COVID-19 every day in significant numbers and there is still no clear way forward, be it a vaccine, a natural eradication or whatever of the virus then all sport should just be put on hold. I understand the need to plan but I don't see the point of compromises like playing behind closed doors - sport is a spectator driven pastime for pity's sake. Some people may get upset because they are losing the rewards of a good season but surely its better to have clubs still in business and supporters still around to watch them when we eventually emerge on the other side of this.
Absolutely. Just the small problem of The Premiership having spent all the TV money and not fulfilled their side of the bargain. Brian Clough always said it would end in tears.
-
No decision before next week, decision to be shaped by the EFL. So unsure why the member clubs have been asked their opinion
https://twitter.com/iandennisbbc/status/1257689709234569216?s=21
-
No decision before next week, decision to be shaped by the EFL. So unsure why the member clubs have been asked their opinion
https://twitter.com/iandennisbbc/status/1257689709234569216?s=21
Can't complain if you've had your say.
I'd love to know we voted for Playoffs, but I understand there may be negative PR implications for this given the comments below.
-
I can’t believe that some think there may be some hope of play offs to end this season, absolutely no chance! Surely safety comes first for everyone involved ...players, staff and supporters, and until a proven vaccine comes on stream then safety cannot be guaranteed.
The timescales involved negate any chance of football at our level...maybe the Prem with their bottomless pits of cash swilling about can play behind closed doors while milking in the TV money, but at our level there is no chance of that. I think we will be lucky to see any live football this side of Christmas, sounds grim but that is my realistic opinion. How many clubs at our level survive long enough to see it through until they can earn some gate money etc remains to be seen, our supports fabulous response to the fundraising initiatives will hopefully help us.
That’s how I see it, and it’s up for debate, but I do wish there was more realism in this talk about play offs.
-
500,000 people die every year in the UK. However I’m not specifically talking about the tragic death rate. It’s the general demeanour of the press. Good news doesn’t make headline good headlines. People need some hope not people continually asking the prime minister to apologise for nearly dying or saying Christmas is cancelled or there will
Be no live sport until 2021. They know f**k all like the rest of us on such matters. They just have a bigger platform to speculate on
Pretty much hit the nail on the head.
An unofficial source from the government has suggested up to 150k could die from the lock down itself - depression/suicide, unfulfilled cancer treatments/tests/results, slower response times for heart attacks/strokes etc etc (one state in America has had more deaths from suicide than Coronavirus and a cancer expert has dsaid there could be 50k extra/premature cancer deaths.
It is a fine line the government has to follow and I don't envy their task, but, as for the media, when did they last tell us how many have recovered? How many have been released from hospital having recovered? Or any other good news figures?
We need positivity and hope, not doom and gloom!
-
Ultimately people will continue to contract and die from covid 19 every day for years to come, even after if a vaccine is found.
So ultimately, if you want sport to happen, then there is going to be a point where we say x amounts of deaths are ‘acceptable’, in the same way that reopening other sectors will happen.
The Premier League has big enough stadia, facilities and resources as well as a relatively limited number of people needed to be able to try and restart in whatever guise. With the economy as it is, I think doing it for the money is a decent enough reason as well.
But for us? At this level? With part time players? No chance.
Play offs with players who have been in a working environment during the day and playing football at night can’t be safe. You could be tested negative in the morning and have it by the evening? Way to many variables
-
Ultimately people will continue to contract and die from covid 19 every day for years to come, even after if a vaccine is found.
So ultimately, if you want sport to happen, then there is going to be a point where we say x amounts of deaths are ‘acceptable’, in the same way that reopening other sectors will happen.
The Premier League has big enough stadia, facilities and resources as well as a relatively limited number of people needed to be able to try and restart in whatever guise. With the economy as it is, I think doing it for the money is a decent enough reason as well.
But for us? At this level? With part time players? No chance.
Play offs with players who have been in a working environment during the day and playing football at night can’t be safe. You could be tested negative in the morning and have it by the evening? Way to many variables
The most realistic assessment I have heard for a while.
As much as I would like playoffs, I cant see them happening.
Just restart from scratch WHEN SAFE to do so,.. which might be autumn.
-
Ultimately people will continue to contract and die from covid 19 every day for years to come, even after if a vaccine is found.
So ultimately, if you want sport to happen, then there is going to be a point where we say x amounts of deaths are ‘acceptable’, in the same way that reopening other sectors will happen.
The Premier League has big enough stadia, facilities and resources as well as a relatively limited number of people needed to be able to try and restart in whatever guise. With the economy as it is, I think doing it for the money is a decent enough reason as well.
But for us? At this level? With part time players? No chance.
Play offs with players who have been in a working environment during the day and playing football at night can’t be safe. You could be tested negative in the morning and have it by the evening? Way to many variables
The most realistic assessment I have heard for a while.
As much as I would like playoffs, I cant see them happening.
Just restart from scratch WHEN SAFE to do so,.. which might be autumn.
Indeed, excellent post.
-
Ultimately people will continue to contract and die from covid 19 every day for years to come, even after if a vaccine is found.
Maybe, but this is far from certain. If a vaccine works such that 60% + of population become immune then the virus could just die out. There are a lot of great minds looking at fixing this. And thats before we get into the prospect of treatments being developed to cure those who have it. Its such early days that we really do not know what will happen.
That said, I agree with some of the other sentiments on this post.
-
Smallpox died out after the vaccine came out. It only took 30 years. There's a vaccine for measels but people still get it. Just saying cos I think at some point we are going to have to commit to living along side it. Not the best news if you are old like me but the world keeps on turning. When we are done there will still be 67 million people on this island.
-
With EFL clubs voting to no relegation from L2, how will that affect us?
-
With EFL clubs voting to no relegation from L2, how will that affect us?
Barrow likely to go up.
National League could Relegate nobody and invite Wealdstone fill the gap.
National league could opt to Relegate one club; Kings Lynn and Wealdstone up.
National League could opt to Relegate bottom 3 and have 2 champions and 2 playoffs.
Could promote Barrow, relegate 3 and the gain 2 champions and add Bury
-
Could be one hell of a mess
-
Solicitors rubbing their hands with glee...!
-
One up no relegation based on ppg I think
-
Personally I think the only thing that the Football chieftains really care about is the precious Premiership .
-
totally agree Ray
-
Personally I think the only thing that the Football chieftains really care about is the precious Premiership .
Spot on!
-
With EFL clubs voting to no relegation from L2, how will that affect us?
That has taken us back forty years,.
They are always going to vote for no relegation.
League two looking after themselves again.
The FA has got to step in and say you can’t do this.
-
Fully agree. The FA have been weak all through this situation.They simply cannot sanction this, and if they do it must apply all the way through. Which means making the PL bigger or denying WBA and Leeds promotion
-
Fully agree. The FA have been weak all through this situation.They simply cannot sanction this, and if they do it must apply all the way through. Which means making the PL bigger or denying WBA and Leeds promotion
I smell court cases if they relegate teams for a incomplete season.
-
Fully agree. The FA have been weak all through this situation.They simply cannot sanction this, and if they do it must apply all the way through. Which means making the PL bigger or denying WBA and Leeds promotion
I smell court cases if they relegate teams for a incomplete season.
No matter what decisions are made over both promotion and relegation, the litigation experts are already rubbing their fat sweaty hands with indecent goes.
If the Premier League can be persuaded to extend their size by two clubs for one season only, and promotion is then run on points per game throughout the pyramid, extra relegations can take place in the following season to restore the "correct" balance. The extra fixtures that result could be achieved by cancelling all the domestic cup competitions for the season. Easy least ! But there's no chance of that sort of common sense breaking out.
-
There's talk in the press today of league 2 and National league merging and going regional .Cant see it happening personally.
-
There's talk in the press today of league 2 and National league merging and going regional .Cant see it happening personally.
I've seen dafter suggestions.
-
League 1 haven't rules out adding more teams to the playoffs
-
Playoffs just took a step closer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52758193
-
Playoffs just took a step closer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52758193
DANGER : COMMON SENSE OUTBREAK !!!
-
Who pays for the testing?
-
The issue was discussed by the Burton chairman on five live. Its clear the football league are concerned that many in the national league will go bust and if so they do not want to relegate a club to a situation that they dont have a league to play in. I think they require confirmation from the national league that it will continue, also stating that if it went regional many wouldnt support relegation bringing us back to the bad old days
-
The FA have granted the conference an extension to the season in to June so playoffs can take place
-
Would be interesting to see if many fans are still interested in a behind closed doors play off 3 plus months after the last game .
-
Without question if it gets us back to the league we are supposed to be in
-
Will our players still be in contract? Don't many of our contracts run til the normal end of season/playoffs?
-
Will our players still be in contract? Don't many of our contracts run til the normal end of season/playoffs?
We will still hold their registrations. I don't see a rush of players to tell PP that they wouldn't be interested in taking part in the playoffs !
-
Will our players still be in contract? Don't many of our contracts run til the normal end of season/playoffs?
We will still hold their registrations. I don't see a rush of players to tell PP that they wouldn't be interested in taking part in the playoffs !
I imagine for the majority of the squad (certain players outside) would see it as a chance to cement their place in the squad for next season by playing - even if they didn't want to particularly play.
-
Wasnt the intention to vote for null and void mentioned by gr about a month ago ? I presume it will still be an option to vote for along with ppg and maybe voting just for the top 2 to go up ?