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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: andyc on December 16, 2006, 05:52:30 PM
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Not much to say but what a load of crap. We seem to lack any threat upfront and are afraid to have a shot.
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Could,nt agree more, o for a goal,
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Bushell was a disgrace today, in my opinion. Not only did he give away nearly every pass he made, but he ended up resorting to calling members of the crowd 'f*cking old c*nt' and similar because they were giving him a bit of abuse for not playing well. Not the actions of an Alty player, and certainly not the captain. Give the armband back to Lawton.
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if that is the case then the management should know and action taken.
No player should disrespect the supporters, they pay the wages!!
I agree that Bush in my opinion had a poor game.
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Everyone had a bad or very average game.The only person who gets away from criticism is Coburn,and thats only due to him having to make one save in the whole game with Tamworths poor finishing.Defence looked shaky with the changes made,the midfield didn't have the bite that it should have,and Colins touch deserted him today.Easily the worst performance this season.
Positives though are that we are still in the draw after playing so badly,while the replay postpones Tamworths game with Northwich,allowing us to overtake Northwich Boxing Day (where no doubt there will be a much better performance,as will Tuesday i hope)
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Do you now what... dont get me wrong here i love the Alty and all we have achieved... but that was pure sunday league today just awful.. i only saw the 2nd half.. both teams were woeful end of
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Bushell was a disgrace today, in my opinion. Not only did he give away nearly every pass he made, but he ended up resorting to calling members of the crowd 'f*cking old c*nt' and similar because they were giving him a bit of abuse for not playing well. Not the actions of an Alty player, and certainly not the captain. Give the armband back to Lawton.
Although he shouldn't have reacted in the way he did there are a number of factors to consider; Bushell was obviously frustrated with the way he was playing and the team as a whole, and this obviously came out in his outburst.
We also must remember that as supporters although we do have a right to be critical, I doubt that the abuse he was receiving was simply constructive criticism! (Could you tell us what was actually said?) If Bushell was being abused by the crowd then I fail to see how those that were the subject of the retort can be that upset, if you are prepared to dish it out then to an extent you have to be prepared to take it. Being a 'customer' does not give you free reign to shout obscenities at those whose wages you pay.
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Not there today living where I do but results are clearly slipping lately. I have to agree with Jimmy mind, as I'm sure all at Alty play for the shirt not for anything else. We all have bad days so let's live with it. GH knows the score and I'm sure the lads will be aware of what is needed .
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(Could you tell us what was actually said?)
I was stood next to the guy on the end of Bushell's outbursts and, although famous for being quite vocal, it was comments such as "No, you're going the wrong way" and "You've given it away again" that caused Bushell to react. Sure he was frustrated with the performance (who wouldn't be!) but I don't think the abuse he was getting from this person justified his response. If the captain can't control himself, what chance has he of picking up the team when they get slack?
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Frustration or not e should'nt take it out on the supporters.
He has not been that good since his layoff?
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(Could you tell us what was actually said?)
I was stood next to the guy on the end of Bushell's outbursts and, although famous for being quite vocal, it was comments such as "No, you're going the wrong way" and "You've given it away again" that caused Bushell to react. Sure he was frustrated with the performance (who wouldn't be!) but I don't think the abuse he was getting from this person justified his response. If the captain can't control himself, what chance has he of picking up the team when they get slack?
I agree he shouldn't have said what he said. However supporters should also take responsibility for their actions and the consequences they will have.
If we are both thinking of the same person I would be quite surprised if his criticisms were as mild as the ones you describe (considering what he comes out with even when we are playing well!). However you were there and I wasn't.
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ye the game was shockingly Sh!t but i was more shocked to see us boo even tho it was so booring and so un exciting we neva boo
hope theres a different atmosphere at there place
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(Could you tell us what was actually said?)
I was stood next to the guy on the end of Bushell's outbursts and, although famous for being quite vocal, it was comments such as "No, you're going the wrong way" and "You've given it away again" that caused Bushell to react. Sure he was frustrated with the performance (who wouldn't be!) but I don't think the abuse he was getting from this person justified his response. If the captain can't control himself, what chance has he of picking up the team when they get slack?
the bloke called bushell a cnut first so bush responded with the same
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Sorry to fall out over this but i was stood next to the target of Bushell's outburst having just reminded him to mind his language as there were young Children about.
At no point did he call Bush that, in fact his comments were very much as stated earlier, you're going the wrong way we're playing in red today.. that sort of thing.
Bush was out of order, we've had better players who've not reacted like that, we've had worse players, who got more grief (Jason Gallagher being one of our friends favourite targets in the past) and they've not reacted like that. And I can well remember the furore which followed when an opposition player gave some of our fans a mouthful.
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Sorry to fall out over this but i was stood next to the target of Bushell's outburst having just reminded him to mind his language as there were young Children about.
At no point did he call Bush that, in fact his comments were very much as stated earlier, you're going the wrong way we're playing in red today.. that sort of thing.
Bush was out of order, we've had better players who've not reacted like that, we've had worse players, who got more grief (Jason Gallagher being one of our friends favourite targets in the past) and they've not reacted like that. And I can well remember the furore which followed when an opposition player gave some of our fans a mouthful.
Hang on, if you had to tell him to mind his language then he must have been saying something a little stronger than has been described in this thread.
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ye the game was shockingly Sh!t but i was more shocked to see us boo even tho it was so booring and so un exciting we neva boo
hope theres a different atmosphere at there place
I was surprised at that as well but it was just awfull i cant remember the last time everyone as the whistle blew just walked out, hey ho onwards and upwards
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Point taken Jimmy, however I would venture to suggest that me asking him to remove the 'sh*t' and the 'crap' from his vocabulary due to the proximity of young children (Rightly or wrongly I'd not have taken this action had he been for example in the Golf Road end or amongst the singers) is somewhat different to the totally incorrect accusation that he had called Bushell a cnut.
Also, as my earlier post tries to point out, whatever the provocation may or may not have been the response was totally unacceptable.
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Just back home from the game yesterday, very poor we were indeed. As for the Bushell fracas, no way can you condone players shouting abuse at fans, as for fans shouting abuse at players I dion't think its very consturctive, there's a time and place. But as I would imagine the said fan won't have acces to this message board where else could he vent his frustration (apart the NWS after the game which no doubt he did).
I also don't think it was just yesterday performance from Bushell that led to his rant, but an accumlinatin of poor games.
Worst result possible but a 3-0 thrashing on Tuesday should be the platfrom for the boxing day masacre.
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Bushell was a disgrace today, in my opinion. Not only did he give away nearly every pass he made, but he ended up resorting to calling members of the crowd 'f*cking old c*nt' and similar because they were giving him a bit of abuse for not playing well. Not the actions of an Alty player, and certainly not the captain. Give the armband back to Lawton.
Yes I agree - Bushell was bang out of order - someone who's been around as long as he has should know better. the club should take some action.
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Just back home from the game yesterday, very poor we were indeed. As for the Bushell fracas, no way can you condone players shouting abuse at fans, as for fans shouting abuse at players I dion't think its very consturctive, there's a time and place. But as I would imagine the said fan won't have acces to this message board where else could he vent his frustration (apart the NWS after the game which no doubt he did).
I also don't think it was just yesterday performance from Bushell that led to his rant, but an accumlinatin of poor games.
Worst result possible but a 3-0 thrashing on Tuesday should be the platfrom for the boxing day masacre.
well i have to own up for the abuse i was giving bushell yesterday he ended up having a go at my dad, which to be fair he did get a bit of stick from both of us so he was right to say something back. But he was out of order quoting swear words like he did.
In both our minds he does not deserve to be the captain, Robbie L is a natural vocal leader who inspires our beloved team. Bushell can be a good player on his day, but GH needs to appoint RL as the captain since we need his leadership especially as this difficult time.
Appologies for any language that has been used in the past, we will endeavour to 'tone it down' in the future. :-\ :-\
COME ON ALTY !! ;)
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Fair play to you, agree with all of that
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I'm not having a go at anyone here, but I'm interested to know why you were having a go at Bush? I'm sure most people would object if he came to where they work and started shouting at them to work harder?
Having a go a players is not going to do anyone good (we are call "supporters" after all!) Bush and a number of others did not have good games yesterday, but if anyone should have a go at the players it should be GH and DS.
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I noticed GH had a go at the crowd for no atmosphere, howeveer if we had had some entertainment it might have got us going!!
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Having a go at our own players does no good whatsoever. My opinion is that none of our players are here for the money and I don't see any non-tryers out there. If occasionally a player has a bad game, or if he is not up to Conf standard then the manager will deal with it.
Continually yelling at Bushell, "we are in red" was embarrassing; so we moved over to stand at the 'gap' in the crowd that usually surrounds Dennis, where the abuse is more traditionally directed towards the opposition full backs, wingers and linesman.
Therefore we missed the return from Bushell, who (I have heard) should use more appropriate language next time
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Well done Bushell!
Its no good giving him abuse all game and expecting nothing back, i imagine choice words were sent in his direction as well, so its all fair game.
It could have been worse, i have heard a few racially motivated comments at Moss Lane in the past couple of months and i dont remember anyone really being bothered other than myself and one other. We do try an promote ourselves as an amazing bunch of fans which in my experience Alty fans 99.5% are. However, there are always those who seem to say the most bizarre things, why?
If a player isn't trying then get on his back, thats fair enough and they deserve it, the fans have a stake in the players efforts don't forget. All this talk about Bush is ridiculous.
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I noticed GH had a go at the crowd for no atmosphere, howeveer if we had had some entertainment it might have got us going!!
GH should realise that, in the past, the trophy started for us in the New Year. Now its held just before Christmas, the team we were playing was hardly going to pull the crowds in, and they bought hardly any fans themselves. What crowd did he honestly expect?
Maybe - fine a job that he's done - he should worry about getting the team to improve enough. Yesterday was grim stuff.