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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on March 10, 2012, 05:43:51 PM
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Why try to play some complex techincal 4-2-1-3 formation when we have just won the last two games? You can't ask players at this level who train 2-3 hours a week to learn a whole new system.
Just play 4-4-2, it doesn matter if they do any 4-1-4-1 nonsense, we're at home and we have the quality to beat them on the pitch.
I like Lee Sinnott but that was a dreadful dreadful error.
Add in to that every single player being poor and you have the worst peformance of the season.
Slight positive, Duncan Watmores enthusiasm and zip. That was it.
Wrong from start to finish today and in front of 844 as well.
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Agree completely, kinda said it in the above thread.
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and while I'm on a rant (with apologies in advance to Phil Taylor) can we make Mark Lynch is the last player we sign who has been released by Man Utd.
Their heads must go completely and they never ever seem to recover.
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couldn't believe it. We looked so one-dimensional. It was just like the first half against Stalybridge, we had no width and seemed to just knock it around the edge of their area before trying to fire a high ball in which almost always went either wide, over the bar or to the keeper. Bizarre
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Agree 100% - the formation was far too experimental and funky. Too many players playing out of their best positions. We need to keep it simple.
I'd have been cheekily tempted to give Duncan Watmore man of the match based on his 20 mins or so, as the rest were very poor today.
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and to sound like Roy Keane, why did Lawrie come on wearing gloves? Looked like a big girl's blouse and played like one as well (which at least - with the exception of Watmore - matched the rest of them)
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Why try to play some complex techincal 4-2-1-3 formation when we have just won the last two games? You can't ask players at this level who train 2-3 hours a week to learn a whole new system.
Just play 4-4-2, it doesn matter if they do any 4-1-4-1 nonsense, we're at home and we have the quality to beat them on the pitch.
I like Lee Sinnott but that was a dreadful dreadful error.
Add in to that every single player being poor and you have the worst peformance of the season.
Slight positive, Duncan Watmores enthusiasm and zip. That was it.
Wrong from start to finish today and in front of 844 as well.
I agree with all of that. What frustrated me was that it was clear to everyone at 1-0 that we weren't going to create anything with no width but he waited until 2-0 and game over to introduce a winger.
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Very disappointing to hear that we got it so wrong today after getting our hopes up again over the last 7 days.
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Why try to play some complex techincal 4-2-1-3 formation when we have just won the last two games? You can't ask players at this level who train 2-3 hours a week to learn a whole new system.
Just play 4-4-2, it doesn matter if they do any 4-1-4-1 nonsense, we're at home and we have the quality to beat them on the pitch.
I like Lee Sinnott but that was a dreadful dreadful error.
Add in to that every single player being poor and you have the worst peformance of the season.
Slight positive, Duncan Watmores enthusiasm and zip. That was it.
What was wrong with Coburn? He saved a penalty!
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Has Sinnott been smoking crack or something?
Densmore at leftback was the most bizarre thing ever, he looked so uncomfortable on the ball.
I am a fan of the 433 formation when employed with two wingers but today we played too narrow (until lawrie and dunc came on)
It's a shame nicky clee wasn't there today. We need to play 442 with clee and lawrie as wide men. 3 upfront doesn't work when we played so narrow. Twiss looked ok
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Round holes,square pegs etc. Densmore was totally out of sorts at left back and should never be asked to play there again and he started the leagues top scored on the right hand side!!
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Pumping balls in the air to a tall defensive line was not the best tactics employed today.
Shocking performance.
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I assumed everything was going according to lee's plan as he didn't seem too put out or keen to change things....woeful today Lee!
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Mark lynch isn't a centre half,as for richman ,miles and twiss ?
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Why not play Lees at centre back instead of moving Lynch, especially seeing Sappleton is about 16 Stone at least. Then to top it all Densmore plays at left back, never played there as far as I know. CRAZY!! Never seen Miles play before, seems like he was treading water, is he always that slow. Totally wrong tactics with no width, big chance to get in play offs missed. Its going to be tough now with our run in but saying that we seem to step it up against the better teams. Also well done Duncan Watmore, he showed good pace and at least attacked the full back causing some problems. Back to 4-4-2 please Lee.
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Shambolic tactics I'm afraid.
Could lambast the players, but I don't think it was their fault. To play Twiss in the middle and Reeves and McGivern so wide was madness, both just never in the game.
To play Mark Lynch at CB ahead of Lees was an error.
The most worrying thing was after 10mins you could see it was never going to work, but it didn't get changed.
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LS accepts responsibility. Fair play, he knows he got it wrong and is an honest bloke. Let's learn to keep it simple and move on.
From the website:
"Following today's 2-0 home defeat by 18th-placed Bishop's Stortford, which completed a league double over the Robins, Altrincham manager Lee Sinnott said "I take full responsibility for the poor result and performance today. With the recent away game at Bishop's Stortford fresh in our minds, I set the side up differently today with a change of shape, playing three upo front and one behind them but it didn't work today. In fact, we created more chances in the away match, with our normal formation, than we did today.
As the team tactics are down to me, I take full responsibility for the outcome. We didn't perform anywhere near as well as we did in the second half last Tuesday, against Stalybridge. I hold up my hands and apologise to all the fans, who turned out in good numbers today. We didn't do them justice".
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Ecky
No need to apologise, in fact I'm not entirely sure why you are. Unless of course it is a bit of a snipe at me re my Adam Flynn rant
I believe that the unsuccessful deployment of Shaun Densmore at Left back was an attempt to put someone with some pace and tenacity up against their No 7 who has quite a good reputation
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That was my first game in 2012 and I went with hope and enthusiasm to watch a fresh and revamped team! Thought Flynn looked good at cb and you could see the potential in our number 8 and young Watmore. I don't know who our number 3 was, but he was one of the worst defenders i've ever seen at any level. I know Twiss has been unfairly criticised at times, but today he was every bit as sh*t as I remember. A bit too late to apologise now Lee for that stroke of genius to play Twiss for Lawrie. Depressing in front of such a good gate and most definately not fair on the fans who showed up in such good numbers. Before today didn't expect us to make the play offs, but I had hoped we'd go down fighting. Well done Bishops by the way for doing us good and proper again.
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Densmore at Left Back ???????????
The leagues top scorer by a country mile playing wide right ???????????
34 games into a season is NOT the time to start fkng about playing players way out of position ffs
Lawrie came on as though he was about to piss off to the Antartic straight after the final whistle - Man up ffs
The one blessing was that we got to see the young lad Whatmore who was the only Alty player to show some bloody enthusiasm...
sh*t game sh*t result and definitely sh*t tactics by the management ..
I have said for ages that we are not good enough to get in the playoffs never mind getting promotion
nothing I saw today has given me any reason to change my mind - It was that bad today even Dennis was somewhat quieter !!!!
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Thought I gave Twiss more stick than he really deserved today, but he really was s**t, as were the majority of the team.
Small positives were Watmore when he came on, more enthusiasm than the entire team put together and we should think about playing him more. Also Stu's penalty save, he had his standard good game, as for the rest they were complete rubbish.
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I've not commented on Lee all season as I think he's done an ok to average job so far.
However what worried me was what i saw on Tuesday. He changed it at half time to give us more width which worked a treat as we got all over them and finally scored. Then straight after the goal he took Lawrie off for Twiss and ruined the whole balance as we ended up narrow again. It was just a bizarre change and after it we really struggled, altho we nicked it in the end.
It worries me how much he messes with the formation especially when he does so after he seems to have got it right.
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.....Then straight after the goal he took Lawrie off for Twiss and ruined the whole balance as we ended up narrow again. It was just a bizarre change and after it we really struggled,
It worries me how much he messes with the formation especially when he does so after he seems to have got it right.
This is the similar b*llocks he did against FC United. The man is inept, not just at setting tactics initially but also in recognising when it has gone wrong and doing something about it. However, I'm more than happy to credit him with a stroke of genius during the Stalybridge match when his positioning of Densmore and Clee changed the whole approach and eventually the outcome. But that actually makes today's debacle worse, because it begs the question "how can you follow such a clever move with a complete cock-up the following match?"
And this was a cock-up which was obvious well before half-time, by which time we'd had not one single shot on target. So what changed at half-time? Diddly squat. Sweet FA. Ah..I'm wrong. What followed was another 45 minutes of no shots on target, but this time at the Chequers end. So something did change. Silly me.
Pathetic initial team selection. Pathetic substitutions. Pathetic tactics. Pathetic inaction. And Len Snottie can apologise all he wants, it doesn't placate me because all he's apologising for is the initial tactics, when what went wrong was far more than that.
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Ecky
I believe that the unsuccessful deployment of Shaun Densmore at Left back was an attempt to put someone with some pace and tenacity up against their No 7 who has quite a good reputation
Another attempt to paper over the cracks there, I'm afraid.
The manager should be ashamed that his current squad does not contain a recognised left full back.
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I bet their manager couldn't believe his luck when he saw our formation. Not only were we narrow and light in the middle of the park but we then proceeded to try and pass our way through it. I do agree with Ecky that we probably don't train enough or have a settled side to try different formations but I'm not convinced that 4-4-2 with the players available would have made much difference. Sometimes it's not the formation but how you operate it. I'd say there was an arguement for bringing Lawrie on earlier, going 4-2-4 and hitting the forwards earlier instead of fannying about on the half-way line with short freekicks.
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.....Then straight after the goal he took Lawrie off for Twiss and ruined the whole balance as we ended up narrow again. It was just a bizarre change and after it we really struggled,
It worries me how much he messes with the formation especially when he does so after he seems to have got it right.
This is the similar b*llocks he did against FC United. The man is inept, not just at setting tactics initially but also in recognising when it has gone wrong and doing something about it. However, I'm more than happy to credit him with a stroke of genius during the Stalybridge match when his positioning of Densmore and Clee changed the whole approach and eventually the outcome. But that actually makes today's debacle worse, because it begs the question "how can you follow such a clever move with a complete cock-up the following match?"
And this was a cock-up which was obvious well before half-time, by which time we'd had not one single shot on target. So what changed at half-time? Diddly squat. Sweet FA. Ah..I'm wrong. What followed was another 45 minutes of no shots on target, but this time at the Chequers end. So something did change. Silly me.
Pathetic initial team selection. Pathetic substitutions. Pathetic tactics. Pathetic inaction. And Len Snottie can apologise all he wants, it doesn't placate me because all he's apologising for is the initial tactics, when what went wrong was far more than that.
Spot on. >:( >:(
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How is a man who has us on the verge of the play offs inept?
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How is a man who has us on the verge of the play offs inept?
The people slagging off Sinnott this week were calling him a genius only a week earlier ::)
It's best not to think about it too much.
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How is a man who has us on the verge of the play offs inept?
The people slagging off Sinnott this week were calling him a genius only a week earlier ::)
It's best not to think about it too much.
Thats because last weeks game against Stalybridge was changed by a stroke of genius. Saturdays game against Bishops Stortford was tactically inept.
People are fickle. However, the people stating the differences in his tactical decisions are not. They are saying what they see.
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How is a man who has us on the verge of the play offs inept?
Depends on where you view it from. If you think top 10s a good effort then he's not inept no.
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How is a man who has us on the verge of the play offs inept?
even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.
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Well it's amazing we're in the position we are currently with a tactically inept idiot at the helm and a bunch of useless players like richman. Imagine where we could be if we didn't employ a bunch of retards. Top of the premier league no doubt. Give me strength...
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How is a man who has us on the verge of the play offs inept?
The people slagging off Sinnott this week were calling him a genius only a week earlier ::)
It's best not to think about it too much.
Thats because last weeks game against Stalybridge was changed by a stroke of genius.
A stroke of genius? more like a stroke of luck, it was crap against SB and also against BS imho.
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Well it's amazing we're in the position we are currently with a tactically inept idiot at the helm and a bunch of useless players like richman. Imagine where we could be if we didn't employ a bunch of retards. Top of the premier league no doubt. Give me strength...
Well it's not though is it? It's not unrealistic to say that (and notslagging LS off here) that with the size of the club (not massive but say 3rd or 4th highest attendances paying 1st/2nd highest prices, a number of players who were in the BSP last season - if you can keep the right ones) then a semi-competent manager should be able to have us at the fringes of the play offs really.
We do expect a little too much at times but I think if we were any lower than this there'd have to be questions asked.
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I agree with you, and I think lee fkd up magnificently on tuesday. It just seems like a minority of our support think we couldn't have hired a more incompetent fool. I just think he's doing averagely.
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Well it's amazing we're in the position we are currently with a tactically inept idiot at the helm and a bunch of useless players like richman. Imagine where we could be if we didn't employ a bunch of retards. Top of the premier league no doubt. Give me strength...
I agree with that bit. ;) ;) ;)
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Picking up on the point made by Ballers.......I honestly think that our club is one of the top five in terms of size in this division and hence we should expect to have a squad / management team that is capable of achieving the play-offs......not necessarily a play-off winning team, but one that should be capable of getting there.
We may yet make it, but what is so disappointing is the amount of monumental f**k ups so far this season, which had they only been half as bad, would have seen us comfortably in the play-off zone
No doubt the club and team will continue to try and finish as high as possible, but if we have to settle for next season in the BSN, then we cannot afford to have another season like this one. I expect the BSN to be much tougher next season based on the clubs potentially being relagated from BSP and promoted from Evo-Glue (plus some of those in the play-off places now)
Of course one thing we can never really plan for is somebody distorting the natural pecking order of things eg....working mens club sides like Guiseley being bankrolled so heavily that they can outperform teams who get three times more people paying to see them at home.
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I agree with you, and I think lee fkd up magnificently on tuesday. It just seems like a minority of our support think we couldn't have hired a more incompetent fool. I just think he's doing averagely.
below averagely.
anyway, are you happy with being average?
average in the BSP, probably.
Average in this tinpot league where players are told to take supporters coaches? f**king no change.