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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on November 08, 2009, 03:27:09 PM
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Much as it pains me, that was a very good FA Cup performance.
As for Charlton, was that some kind of betting sting? What a joke performance that was, no wonder no one went!
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They did play well even for slime ;D
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I thought they were excellent.
It is really difficult to begrudge them winning, given the performance they put in.
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It's not fun to watch is it?
I've got to give it to them though, in the short bit I watched they were all over the goal.
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Vics completely outplayed them!
I'm well jealous of them!
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They provided me with enough comedy to bear the result, from the goalkeeping coach (thats needed in a bankrupt club in the Conference North) to Mad Jim Rushe saying he wasn't bothered about the money.
As you say, excellent performance though.
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Yes much as it pains me they desrved it.
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utterly devasted by charlton's performance. decent performance from northwich, although massive pitch invasion (the naughty green slimes)
could get the club in trouble.
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I thought they were excellent.
It is really difficult to begrudge them winning, given the performance they put in.
Jimmy,
No, it isn't actually.
As stated on a similar thread, following the disgraceful antics of Jim Rushe/Vics last season in withholding FA Cup gate receipts that were due to Telford United and making no effort to pass on the money owed (didn't Vics own supporters raise the funds to cover this sum?), the club should have been suspended from the FA Cup for at least one season.
Today provides further evidence that cheats do prosper.
And yes, "I bear more grudges than lonely high court judges", to quote Morrissey.
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Yeah fair does .. well done to the Vics.. Lincoln away in the next round
Lets hope we stuff Vics neighbours on Tues night
Cmon Alty
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Another home draw for them in the next round and a distinctly winnable one at that.
How many people are out of pocket because of the disgraceful manner in which that club has conducted it's business in recent years?
Now they've got the golden goose we're all supposed to feel pleased for them?
I don't think so.....
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Going to make mad Jims "we'd like to offer 30p in the pound" offer have to go a bit higher.
What was the crowd?
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If we had played at Mansfield with even half of the passion shown by the Vics players today, we might have got something.
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Think the attendance was 2200, maes you wonder where the other 1800 were when they were busy getting beat by Redditch
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Just as a point of note our home game with Kettering is now going to have to be re-arranged as they will be entertaining Leeds
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Just as a point of note our home game with Kettering is now going to have to be re-arranged as they will be entertaining Leeds
I will forgive them for that if they win
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Just as a point of note our home game with Kettering is now going to have to be re-arranged as they will be entertaining Leeds
Entertaining and Leeds in the same sentence - not an easy concept to grasp.
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I didn't see the game but it seems Vics deserved their win on the day. Whether they deserved to be in the competition at all is another matter. Maybe that is something the authorities could look at, any club that goes into admin is denied entry to the FA Cup or something.
The silver lining is that the money is currently witheld from Vics and there's no way they can lie about it now. HMRC having rejected 25p and 35p in the pound will be calculating as we speak. They'll wait until the cup run is over before settling a deal with mad Jim. :)
Edit : Also the attendance was 2153. Now I know people in that area have drifted away a bit and that it was on tv and that Charlton didn't seem to bring a lot but that's quite a low turnout. I'd have thought they'd get 3,000 for it to be honest, or 2,700 at least.
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There did seem to be quite a few spaces in the seats and also a fair bit of room in certain of the standing areas
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good luck northwich vics you are going to need it my score in 3weeks northwich 2-1 lincoln
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And we're on the telly again!!!! All my Christmas' come at once. ;) ;D
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A crowd of 2153 according to vics fan website,didnt look like that many loads of empty spaces , but well done to them , (it hurts to say it )
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For the players and fans they deserved it. Nice to see a local lad getting the goal as well.
I thought that ITV played right into Mr Rushe's hands with their 'he is the saviour' routine about him keeping the club going. Nobody bothered to question how all the facilities, goalkeeping coaches, high profile management team and Lee Elam could be afforded when they owe out hundreds of thousands.
Lets hope Mr Rushe can find the heart to use all of this prize/tv money to offer something ludicrous like 100 pence in the pound to creditors. After all, if they have the money they have no reason not to pay the debts.
Well done vics. Good vocal support too.
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Yes congratulations to vics fans to whom I do not begrudge one glory day at all for the following reasons;
1) The cup run will ensure enough distraction for them to wallow another season in the Unibond (Ok BSN but lets be honest, it's unibond level)
2) No doubt the club will now reset it's budget based on forecasted gates of over 2,000 and a cup run next year as well.
3) Hopefully the FA will hold onto the prize money, give Charlton their 50% and be keeping tabs on Vics debts.
4) HMRC will indeed be monitoring the situation closely
5) Looking forward to shenanigans where rushe sticks to his 30p offer claiming this new money has nowt to do with old debt....he has already said part of the debt will be paid with money left over for a rainy day.....by definition this means the club will still be in debt.
6) They will never emulate our achievements.
7) The pitch invasion was classic TV comedy......made it worth watching our 2nd rivals enjoy their day in the sun.
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I think they should be thrown out of the cup for wearing a kit that looks like a mixture of Celtic, Yeovil and Sporting Lisbon. ::)
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This is interesting.....more skullduggery as they upped their offer to HMRC before the FA Cup tie!!!!
From John Laidlar's award winning site;
But FA Cup rules say Vics, who remain subject to a transfer embargo levied by the Football Conference last month, must agree a Company Voluntary Agreement (CVA) with creditors before they receive a cheque. This week Rushe submitted an improved offer to HM Revenue and Customs to pay off a larger proportion of the club’s six-figures tax bill... 'We’ve upped our offer', he said'... Administrators Refresh Recovery Ltd will need to arrange a another creditors’ meeting to rubber stamp the proposal should the tax man accept Rushe’s latest offer. Two others, one to pay off 25p of every pound owed to creditors and the other for 35p, have been rejected to date.
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I think they should be thrown out of the cup for wearing a kit that looks like a mixture of Celtic, Yeovil and Sporting Lisbon.
ah but Yeovil copied the celtic strip a few seasons back as well
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If HM Revenue & Customs have got anything about them, they are surely going to wait until Vics know how much money they've made from this cup run and then base their judgement on that?
I can't see why they would accept an offer of x pence in the pound when they could potentially get all of their money back.
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How much cash will they have generated? TV + Gate Receipts + Prize Money = Circa £100,000? How much do they owe again? I vaguely remember a figure of about half a million...
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How much cash will they have generated? TV + Gate Receipts + Prize Money = Circa £100,000? How much do they owe again? I vaguely remember a figure of about half a million...
Well they'll have approx £40k so far from prize money. The Tv money will be approx £65k per game, so if its true they're on again in the second round that will be £170k without taking into account gate receipts, Tv highlights/(radio coverage??), and im sure they'll have got a lot of extra sponsorship for the two games! I bet they'll make over quarter of a million from it.(and that's presuming they lose!)
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I heard they got a shirt sponsorship deal from BET365 as well whihc must have been worth quite a bit.
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The fact the game was on a sunday and on TV hampered the attendance greatly, had it been Saturday at 3.00 it would have been nearer 3000, luckily the next round is on TV but it is on Saturday this time so hopefully a bigger crowd, thanks for the congratulations anyway :) good luck for the rest of you season..
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From what I recall from previous seasons the value of the sponsorship to Non League Clubs from Bet-365 is actually minimal in real terms
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The fact the game was on a sunday and on TV hampered the attendance greatly, had it been Saturday at 3.00 it would have been nearer 3000, luckily the next round is on TV but it is on Saturday this time so hopefully a bigger crowd, thanks for the congratulations anyway :) good luck for the rest of you season..
I think you're missing the point here. firstly the fact you can't get much over 2100 for your biggest game in along time beggers belief, but also that you feel disappointed it was on tv. It cost you 900 people. Come on, we're talking 9k vs 65k!!
As much as it hurts to say, many congratulations, all alty fans would like a result like that at the moment.
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I think you're missing the point here. firstly the fact you can't get much over 2100 for your biggest game in along time beggers belief, but also that you feel disappointed it was on tv. It cost you 900 people. Come on, we're talking 9k vs 65k!!
As much as it hurts to say, many congratulations, all alty fans would like a result like that at the moment.
True.
I bet if we'd drawn Charlton we'd have got 3,000+ >:(
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From what I recall from previous seasons the value of the sponsorship to Non League Clubs from Bet-365 is actually minimal in real terms
I heard it was £15k as a one off although this maybe extended now.
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I think you're missing the point here. firstly the fact you can't get much over 2100 for your biggest game in along time beggers belief, but also that you feel disappointed it was on tv. It cost you 900 people. Come on, we're talking 9k vs 65k!!
As much as it hurts to say, many congratulations, all alty fans would like a result like that at the moment.
True.
I bet if we'd drawn Charlton we'd have got 3,000+ >:(
What did we get against Luton and Millwall?
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It's a moot point really because we didn't play them and Vics did. Any debate over "what we'd have got" is completely immaterial. 2,100 at a game that took place is better than 3,000+ in a ficticious game that didn't happen.
However, for what it's worth you can bet your arse the tv coverage would have knocked 4-500 of our attendance as was probably the case at Vics on Sunday.
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Incidentally, I wonder how many of the floating fans have been put off by the fact that a traditional town club like vics has been taken to the slaughter house by I cant count how many brainless chairmen over recent years. I guess a lot of the charm has been replaced by despair. Anyone with any sense knows that Rushe will not use this a springboard to financial security, more likely a bargaining tool to seek more resources that cant be justified in the long run.
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What did we get against Luton and Millwall?
Millwall we got 2,500, but that was amid ridiculous scaremongering about hooliganism which undoubtedly put off floaters ::)
I think the official figure for the Luton game was the same, however what with floodlight failure and people being turned away then rushed in once the game was definitely on, I'm not sure that figure is wholly accurate. It certainly felt more packed that night than it did for the Millwall match.
I think we got 3,000+ for Darlington a few years back...
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Incidentally, I wonder how many of the floating fans have been put off by the fact that a traditional town club like vics has been taken to the slaughter house by I cant count how many brainless chairmen over recent years. I guess a lot of the charm has been replaced by despair. Anyone with any sense knows that Rushe will not use this a springboard to financial security, more likely a bargaining tool to seek more resources that cant be justified in the long run.
Actually, it'll be imteresting to see Jim Rushe's appraoch to running Northwich now on two counts.
1. The HMRC deal, before the Chester debacle, they would have held out and put Vics under real pressure to effect a proper cva. However, now they know that the football authorities will not back them up in relegation for clubs not out of a cva - their only bargaining tool, will Rushe try to play a game of brinksmanship with them on the back of the goodwill and attention this sort of cup run brings or will he make a 'reasonable' offer to HRMC (60-75p in the pound) just to get the monkey off his back.
2. Once the debts have been cleared/agreed how will he go? He's been a bit of a Walter Mitty, the Steve King charade will never be fully explained, but he seems to hav egot lucky now. Was all that because they were just in a financial whirl after the drill field debacle and Connett's tenure or is it how he operates. Vics should be on an even financial footing after this (actually they should still be in debt paying off their creditors in full but you know what I mean) so we'll see how much money and backing he really does have.
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You are bound to get more than us as alty is a bigger place, Hopefully we will be able to pay some debts off and then run within our means, I hear you are charging full price for the senior cup against the scum why is that its only £5 at the vics.
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You are bound to get more than us as alty is a bigger place, Hopefully we will be able to pay some debts off and then run within our means, I hear you are charging full price for the senior cup against the scum why is that its only £5 at the vics.
We've reduced the prices now, though I'd still hardly call them cheap. A tenner to get in for adults, concessions and kids are looking at a fiver or less which isn't too bad. I must confess, I shan't be travelling back for this one. Hopefully the price change will swell the gate to about 250, which isn't totally pitiful.
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Charging a fiver is fine if you at least double your attendance. Otherwise, it's just an unnecessary loss which I suppose, in light of Vic's recent cup exploits, they can probably now afford to swallow.
£10 is a sensible price. Anyone who is prepared to go to a minor cup game like this will be prepared to pay a tenner. The club can't just discount prices to the point where they are making a massive loss just to try and get an extra 50 people through the gate.
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This is a good inititiative by the club. However it will cost them money but I believe they have done it for the fans.
I don't believe that we will see any more than ten more people come because of the reduced price. And I bet 50% of the people who do come were expecting to pay £13 quid.
My crowd prediction will will be 167 with 20 from Witton
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I heard they got a shirt sponsorship deal from BET365 as well whihc must have been worth quite a bit.
I will no longer bet with BET 365 anymore now they are sponsoring the slime.
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I heard they got a shirt sponsorship deal from BET365 as well whihc must have been worth quite a bit.
I will no longer bet with BET 365 anymore now they are sponsoring the slime.
Also a little bit ungracious of them allowing Bet365 to hijack the sponsorship. I take it they've forgotten the money they've been getting from Blue Square who surely wouldn't have been happy to have their logo on Vics arms while the front of the shirt is emblazoned with a rival firm.
Classy as always.
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This is a good inititiative by the club. However it will cost them money but I believe they have done it for the fans.
I don't believe that we will see any more than ten more people come because of the reduced price. And I bet 50% of the people who do come were expecting to pay £13 quid.
My crowd prediction will will be 167 with 20 from Witton
The corresponding fixture last season with full prices (£12) had a gate of 226 with my guess of 20 or so from Witton.
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One thing in our favour crowd-wise is the fact we've had no game for 10 days. Might tempt a few extra supporters out for the evening.
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Much as it pains me, that was a very good FA Cup performance.
As for Charlton, was that some kind of betting sting? What a joke performance that was, no wonder no one went!
Perhaps I might be somewhat bitter but I couldn't bring myself to read this thread.
I admire you magnanimity Ecky. You're a better man than me.
I just thought Vics tried hard and Charlton were shocking.
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Indeed Charlton were so unbelievably bad that I'd have fancied Trafford to beat them, let alone Vics.
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Indeed Charlton were so unbelievably bad that I'd have fancied Trafford to beat them, let alone Vics.
made to look bad by our solid defence shame were on a drawing spree in the league not good