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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Alty_19 on October 29, 2016, 08:39:17 PM
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they should both resign tomorrow before it is too late and we end up in the evostik next season and i don't think the squad we have is capable of competing at evostik level
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I'm not going to agree that today is a breaking point where I'd call for the board to go.
We were never going to win today. The board didn't pick the team or tell Goodall to get sent off early on.
I also expect us to get dumped out next week, even if we were on a run we'd be well up against it.
I still believe the board could turn it around, it's in their hands to lift the spirit of the club. They, and they alone have the means and power to reverse our fortunes. Right now they should be calculating how much caution to throw to the wind to sort this. Don't tell me there aren't scouts for hire or people like GH who could be out there finding 5 or 6 players who could be available, albeit at over the odds salaries, until the end of the season to get us out of this. Maybe it will cost a fair bit and we'll be way over budget but if we don't act we'll be northern premier or lower for the next five years minimum. The cost of that will be way higher.
If they believe, as they did last season, that it's just a rut and things will turn themselves around then we are in big trouble.
So, I think it's reasonable to give the board until about 1700 on 12th November to act and do something that lifts our players to put in a performance and prove the board are up for this fight and doing all they can to avoid relegation. Otherwise they can count on me and countless others to start openly calling for their resignation. That'll be on top of the countless Altrincham fans who already want them gone.
What a sad sad state of affairs they've allowed us to arrive to.
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I'm not going to agree that today is a breaking point where I'd call for the board to go.
We were never going to win today. The board didn't pick the team or tell Goodall to get sent off early on.
I also expect us to get dumped out next week, even if we were on a run we'd be well up against it.
I still believe the board could turn it around, it's in their hands to lift the spirit of the club. They, and they alone have the means and power to reverse our fortunes. Right now they should be calculating how much caution to throw to the wind to sort this. Don't tell me there aren't scouts for hire or people like GH who could be out there finding 5 or 6 players who could be available, albeit at over the odds salaries, until the end of the season to get us out of this. Maybe it will cost a fair bit and we'll be way over budget but if we don't act we'll be northern premier or lower for the next five years minimum. The cost of that will be way higher.
If they believe, as they did last season, that it's just a rut and things will turn themselves around then we are in big trouble.
So, I think it's reasonable to give the board until about 1700 on 12th November to act and do something that lifts our players to put in a performance and prove the board are up for this fight and doing all they can to avoid relegation. Otherwise they can count on me and countless others to start openly calling for their resignation. That'll be on top of the countless Altrincham fans who already want them gone.
What a sad sad state of affairs they've allowed us to arrive to.
lots here I agree with. There is no way we just want them to quit
But radical change is needed
For me top 3 would be
1. Supporter on the board to Bridge the gap
2. New blood on the board for new ideas
3. Investment for next season to rebuild and become a top flight non league team again
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I'm not going to agree that today is a breaking point where I'd call for the board to go.
We were never going to win today. The board didn't pick the team or tell Goodall to get sent off early on.
I also expect us to get dumped out next week, even if we were on a run we'd be well up against it.
I still believe the board could turn it around, it's in their hands to lift the spirit of the club. They, and they alone have the means and power to reverse our fortunes. Right now they should be calculating how much caution to throw to the wind to sort this. Don't tell me there aren't scouts for hire or people like GH who could be out there finding 5 or 6 players who could be available, albeit at over the odds salaries, until the end of the season to get us out of this. Maybe it will cost a fair bit and we'll be way over budget but if we don't act we'll be northern premier or lower for the next five years minimum. The cost of that will be way higher.
If they believe, as they did last season, that it's just a rut and things will turn themselves around then we are in big trouble.
So, I think it's reasonable to give the board until about 1700 on 12th November to act and do something that lifts our players to put in a performance and prove the board are up for this fight and doing all they can to avoid relegation. Otherwise they can count on me and countless others to start openly calling for their resignation. That'll be on top of the countless Altrincham fans who already want them gone.
What a sad sad state of affairs they've allowed us to arrive to.
I agree with all of this. Last chance saloon. If the board really care (and there are those on here who say they do), then this is it. We have to stay up. Bugger the cup - that's gone. If it takes a gamble on Nicky, or anyone else for that matter, over the odds or otherwise, then this is the time to take it. I want to love the players again, I want to believe in the club I've supported all my life. COME ON ALTY!!!
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I for one would be more than willing to represent the supporters, but I honestly think two or three of us should do it. Mark Ecky would also be very good if interested. I am a fan of 40 years plus standing.
I really think the board should call another meeting with the fans, more to try and cross-contribute any ideas rather than to lay blame, we all need to pull together now, and sooner rather than later.
No disrespect to our current captain but I feel Tom Hannigan should be handled the mantle, especially while Alan is absent. The team needs organisation on the pitch as the first fix before anything else is considered. The fans need reassurance from the players that they are giving 100pc commitment, we cannot afford to carry anybody. I suspect Alan may also be a better player for us without the responsibility of captain. From what I remember Tom was Captain of Fylde prior to coming here.
Decisions need to be made by the manager now, before it gets too late.
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I agree that Tom Hannigan would be a good choice as captain. Alan Goodall as captain is a joke. His performances have been woeful and he never opens his mouth on the pitch, I don't think he deserves the armband. Jake Moult is ok as a deputy, but isn't captain material either.
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Steve from Sale, there must be a democratic election of those who want to be the fan, hopefully drawn from a good number so that everyone can make a good judgment. A hustings to question them
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I for one would be more than willing to represent the supporters, but I honestly think two or three of us should do it. Mark Ecky would also be very good if interested. I am a fan of 40 years plus standing.
I really think the board should call another meeting with the fans, more to try and cross-contribute any ideas rather than to lay blame, we all need to pull together now, and sooner rather than later.
No disrespect to our current captain but I feel Tom Hannigan should be handled the mantle, especially while Alan is absent. The team needs organisation on the pitch as the first fix before anything else is considered. The fans need reassurance from the players that they are giving 100pc commitment, we cannot afford to carry anybody. I suspect Alan may also be a better player for us without the responsibility of captain. From what I remember Tom was Captain of Fylde prior to coming here.
Decisions need to be made by the manager now, before it gets too late.
Just when you thought things couldn't get worse...
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one willing volunteer is worth a thousand pressmen.
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Steve from Sale, there must be a democratic election of those who want to be the fan, hopefully drawn from a good number so that everyone can make a good judgment. A hustings to question them
I'm a strong believer that if tasc had a board position that tasc would be re-energised and you'd create positive momentum
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My own idea is that two or three of us are elected and there a regular monthly meetings between the fans representatives and the board. We discuss items like new ideas for fundraising, the team, but more importantly we bridge the gap between board and fans which currently seems to exist. To represent the fans, the members must be of long standing support, know the club well inside out, and be approachable and intelligent to both fans and board. We use email to communicate with fans and go to board with any ideas submitted. Communication is also a valuable asset in this role.
Any others fans wish to expand on this. Feel free to criticise; or any opinions from members of the board? It is after all our club; and I for one do not want us to sink any lower than we already have done or seem to be doing on the pitch. I also appreciate this has to be ratified at board level.
Jimmy Hill, point taken but would you volunteer!!??
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Sounds just like the supports trust we used to have, STAR which was the legal entity (needed to hold shares) and before that, SAFE which was a supporters association but not legally registered.
I think we should move away from the acronyms now though.
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I agree a fan should be on the board,but not this board,to many bad decisions and to add to that insulting the fans twice in a few months in the NLP is beyond the final straw.
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I think having a TASC rep on the board would be a great step....I imagine ecky is chomping at the bit to have another go...only joking ecky...you've done your bit.
The board now have little influence on the pitch bar making whatever funds are available freely available.
The only thing I think may help would be to ask the cote to step in and help with coaching....unpopular move with some I know but we somehow have to get the team to understand what the manager is saying and the cote has been the best coach we've ever had....drastic times call for drastic measures.....and extra training sessions to give us an edge.
I still think with tom hannigan fit and playing regularly (and he now has a bit of a responsibility to put in a few games for us!!) with a tweak in midfield we've got the players to get out of this.
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Agree entirely with all this Jezza
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Graham and the board, how do you all feel about this thread?? Want any help from fans representatives. We are all in this together and I know we all have the club at heart. What do you all think of the ideas?
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Steve, ....or anyone else for that matter.....why don't you have a word in person at a game with grahame?...or Derek.....or Paul Daine....all reasonably approachable......don't think they're gonna answer on the forum :)
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I thought TASC no longer existed?
Isn't the first step to start some sort of group again?
The board won't happily let us on board, we need to know how we get recognised and what's the correct way to acquire shares, and how much they cost.
Deja vu Jacque? :-)
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I thought TASC no longer existed?
Isn't the first step to start some sort of group again?
The board won't happily let us on board, we need to know how we get recognised and what's the correct way to acquire shares, and how much they cost.
Deja vu Jacque? :-)
Tasc exist
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I think having a TASC rep on the board would be a great step.
Get real.
There's more chance of Morrissey popping into McDonald's in Broadheath to order a happy meal.
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My own idea is that two or three of us are elected and there a regular monthly meetings between the fans representatives and the board. We discuss items like new ideas for fundraising, the team, but more importantly we bridge the gap between board and fans which currently seems to exist. To represent the fans, the members must be of long standing support, know the club well inside out, and be approachable and intelligent to both fans and board. We use email to communicate with fans and go to board with any ideas submitted. Communication is also a valuable asset in this role.
Any others fans wish to expand on this. Feel free to criticise; or any opinions from members of the board? It is after all our club; and I for one do not want us to sink any lower than we already have done or seem to be doing on the pitch. I also appreciate this has to be ratified at board level.
Jimmy Hill, point taken but would you volunteer!!??
Steve,
That's a marvellous scenario in theory......but there's not a cat in hell's chance of it happening.
The board of directors under Geoff Goodwin, of which our current chairman was a prominent member, actively sought to destabilise and initiate the downfall of STAR.
They never trusted the aims of STAR and what made things worse for the board was that they had no control over STAR.
They duly succeeded back in 2006.
Consequently, up pops TASC with a certain Grahame Rowley on the committee, thereby ensuring that such a supporters association has no autonomy or independence whatsoever.
It's all about control.
Have you not observed just how the club's fanbase has been patronised and besmirched both at public meetings and in the press in recent times?
It's a case of we know best, now give us your money and run along and don't expect to have any say in matters.
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Most clubs appear to run on those principles.
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All good points, Cult and York.
The fans can do as they like but to get any influence or a say at the Club takes the Club to agree.
Look at Blackpool and MU, both have really wonderful people on the supporters trusts but they cannot actually do anything as the club's owners don't want them. The Blackpool story is a particularly sorry one.
We had a supporters trust at Alty but the members decided that they didn't want it to continue. It takes a lot of work to keep it going and people were not prepared to do that or to challenge and question the Club. These organisations do not work everywhere. If the fans don't want it, then it's never going to work.
Another could be set up but SD will not fund it this time as we have already had one and it would have to be sustainable or it will go the way of STAR. I don't think it work work at Alty, there are not enough people who would be prepared to be committed to running it. It didn't work last time, I see no reason why it should now. Sorry Steve from Sale. Happy to chat with you sometime? My next match is after the Club AGM when we entertain Salford City, that'll be a fun match.... not!
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Sorry, mistaken identity, it was L'Homme du Sport who posted - sorry Steve ::)
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I think having a TASC rep on the board would be a great step.
Get real.
There's more chance of Morrissey popping into McDonald's in Broadheath to order a happy meal.
very amusing but sadly spot on
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Is mcdonalds in Broadheath not very good?
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I think having a TASC rep on the board would be a great step.
Get real.
There's more chance of Morrissey popping into McDonald's in Broadheath to order a happy meal.
very amusing but sadly spot on
justin Bieber popped into the ice rink. Miracles can happen 😂
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Can someone please confirm the date of the AGM? My papers never arrived.
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So TASC still exist, and still have Mr Rowley on its committee?
Is that not a conflict of interests?
Who else is TASC?
Just as a pure hypothetical question... could all club officials be ousted from TASC? Also, is it confirmed TASC no longer has shares after the 2006 debacle?
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So TASC still exist, and still have Mr Rowley on its committee?
Is that not a conflict of interests?
Who else is TASC?
Just as a pure hypothetical question... could all club officials be ousted from TASC? Also, is it confirmed TASC no longer has shares after the 2006 debacle?
The TASC website doesn't appear to have been updated for quite some time.
Here is a list of the members of its committee (but whether this is still accurate is something that only Brian Flynn or Steve Foster may be able to confirm):
http://www.t-a-s-c.com/about/our-committee (http://www.t-a-s-c.com/about/our-committee)
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I think having a TASC rep on the board would be a great step.
Get real.
There's more chance of Morrissey popping into McDonald's in Broadheath to order a happy meal.
very amusing but sadly spot on
justin Bieber popped into the ice rink. Miracles can happen 😂
I passed Johnny Marr on Charcoal Road only the other week...........he had not been to Maccy-Dee's though
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If that's the case, do we have to just step back and hope for the best then?
Just as an addition by the way at no time have I ever criticised either the board or the club, some of the players maybe very mildly, it is not my style. I am sorry but for once I cannot sit back without making any suggestions, and just hoping against hope that we do not regress further than we have done. At present though, we are putting additional pressure on the players the manager and the board - I just want to share ideas and help in any way I/we can.
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So TASC still exist, and still have Mr Rowley on its committee?
Is that not a conflict of interests?
Who else is TASC?
Just as a pure hypothetical question... could all club officials be ousted from TASC? Also, is it confirmed TASC no longer has shares after the 2006 debacle?
Yes, TASC still exist.
Anyone who attends TASC meetings is effectively on the committee.People who have attended recent meetings, which are open to all fans, are as follows:-
Mark Bennett
Stuart Buchan
Dec Cavanagh
Andrew Flynn
Brian Flynn
Mike Ford
Jack Jolly
Dan Jones
Darren Jordan
Steve Foster
Colin Mitchell
Geoff Morris
Mike Reeves
Mike Ripley
Grahame Rowley
Paul Salt
Anthony Wright
Grahame Rowley attending is not perceived to be a conflict of interest, as TASC is trying to work with the Football Club. Another board member has expressed an interest in attending future meetings, therefore there could be two board members at some future meetings & all board members would be welcome to attend any TASC meetings.
As TASC is a 'Supporters Club for Altrincham Fans' any club official is welcome & encouraged to join.
TASC do not own any shares in Altrincham Football Club.
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I'm not going to agree that today is a breaking point where I'd call for the board to go.
We were never going to win today. The board didn't pick the team or tell Goodall to get sent off early on.
I also expect us to get dumped out next week, even if we were on a run we'd be well up against it.
I still believe the board could turn it around, it's in their hands to lift the spirit of the club. They, and they alone have the means and power to reverse our fortunes. Right now they should be calculating how much caution to throw to the wind to sort this. Don't tell me there aren't scouts for hire or people like GH who could be out there finding 5 or 6 players who could be available, albeit at over the odds salaries, until the end of the season to get us out of this. Maybe it will cost a fair bit and we'll be way over budget but if we don't act we'll be northern premier or lower for the next five years minimum. The cost of that will be way higher.
If they believe, as they did last season, that it's just a rut and things will turn themselves around then we are in big trouble.
So, I think it's reasonable to give the board until about 1700 on 12th November to act and do something that lifts our players to put in a performance and prove the board are up for this fight and doing all they can to avoid relegation. Otherwise they can count on me and countless others to start openly calling for their resignation. That'll be on top of the countless Altrincham fans who already want them gone.
What a sad sad state of affairs they've allowed us to arrive to.
1700 today been and past. Someone needs to go, not sure if it's the board, manager, squad or the loyal fans who keep going and getting served up this dross?
We're going down regardless. If Jim isn't the man to bounce us straight back up we might as well take a gamble on a young and hungry management team.
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Now it is time for these 2 idiots to go