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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: eightiesrobin on January 09, 2016, 04:54:37 PM
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Halifax win at Macc
Boreham Wood hold Cheltenham
Welling beaten
Now into the bottom four, after being 8 points clear on 21st November :o
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And there we will stay, I fear. Hope I am wrong. >:(
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Not a lot we could've done today to stop us dropping into the bottom four tbf but we really need to start picking some wins up. Halifax seem to be on their way to an easy mid table finish while Southport have pulled themselves well clear. Will be interesting to see how Barrow react after being 3-1 up on 90 minutes and managing to lose!! There's always one team that drops dramatically after Christmas and ends up in the relegation scrap!
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Win our two games in hand over the teams above us and we are back in 17th.
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I see Colchester won their 3rd round FA cup game today. Aah, how that still rankles.
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Not a lot we could've done today to stop us dropping into the bottom four tbf but we really need to start picking some wins up. Halifax seem to be on their way to an easy mid table finish while Southport have pulled themselves well clear. Will be interesting to see how Barrow react after being 3-1 up on 90 minutes and managing to lose!! There's always one team that drops dramatically after Christmas and ends up in the relegation scrap!
Errr....Hello?
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The only remarkable thing, is that it has taken us until January to make the bottom 4.
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I see Colchester won their 3rd round FA cup game today. Aah, how that still rankles.
We wouldn't have beaten Charlton today - waterlogged pitch
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I blame the manger myself , sack him ;D
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The only remarkable thing, is that it has taken us until January to make the bottom 4.
we have 27 points from 26 not great however that would suggest it's not remarkable we have took till now to be in bottom 4
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Not a lot we could've done today to stop us dropping into the bottom four tbf but we really need to start picking some wins up. Halifax seem to be on their way to an easy mid table finish while Southport have pulled themselves well clear. Will be interesting to see how Barrow react after being 3-1 up on 90 minutes and managing to lose!! There's always one team that drops dramatically after Christmas and ends up in the relegation scrap!
Errr....Hello?
If that's meant to mean Alty we've hardly fallen dramatically since Christmas,we've been milling around the bottom all season!! I'm looking at the likes of Chester and Barrow.
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The only remarkable thing, is that it has taken us until January to make the bottom 4.
we have 27 points from 26 not great however that would suggest it's not remarkable we have took till now to be in bottom 4
people on this forum need to wake up and forget the cup run. We in serious danger of relegation now. To thin a squad is doing for us and a sub standard pitch
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Not a lot we could've done today to stop us dropping into the bottom four tbf but we really need to start picking some wins up. Halifax seem to be on their way to an easy mid table finish while Southport have pulled themselves well clear. Will be interesting to see how Barrow react after being 3-1 up on 90 minutes and managing to lose!! There's always one team that drops dramatically after Christmas and ends up in the relegation scrap!
Is it any coincidence that both these clubs recently underwent management changes.? :(
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The only remarkable thing, is that it has taken us until January to make the bottom 4.
we have 27 points from 26 not great however that would suggest it's not remarkable we have took till now to be in bottom 4
people on this forum need to wake up and forget the cup run. We in serious danger of relegation now. To thin a squad is doing for us and a sub standard pitch
i think your missing my point Ham
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Ham missing the point now there's a surprise.
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Jimmy, the 27 from 26 thing is becoming pretty irrelevant I'm afraid. We are on a downward spiral with very few players. While I'm obviously delighted we've brought in the young lad from Burnley, it's just not enough. As others have said, at the very least we need a proper right back and probably one or two more to be honest. Also, I don't pretend to be a expert on ground maintenance, but it's been bucketing down here in Chorley for bloody weeks now and yet they managed to get their game on today.
It won't get much credence on here I know, but vod's point about the managerial changes at Halifax and Southport is pretty much spot on...
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I agree, 27 from 26 is now irrelevant.
Do you know we have won ONE league point since 21st November, and furthermore, there won't be another one available until, at the very earliest, 23rd January. Even then, who could possibly hope to gain a point at a rampant Grimsby? That game is followed by home games against bogey sides Woking and Dover. We could still have 27 points on 6th February.
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I see the usual doom mongers are having a field day.
Being positive,.... we have at least 2, nearly 3 home games in hand on those above us and hopefully this new winger will replace Clee's creativity and we havent been playing too badly of late, just not been scoring enough goals.
We just need a win or two to give us fans a lift, we do usually do better against the top sides dont we. Plus, if we can beat Leamington and Bognor and it will look a lot different then.
Cheers up you lot ;)
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Jimmy, the 27 from 26 thing is becoming pretty irrelevant I'm afraid. We are on a downward spiral with very few players. While I'm obviously delighted we've brought in the young lad from Burnley, it's just not enough. As others have said, at the very least we need a proper right back and probably one or two more to be honest. Also, I don't pretend to be a expert on ground maintenance, but it's been bucketing down here in Chorley for bloody weeks now and yet they managed to get their game on today.
It won't get much credence on here I know, but vod's point about the managerial changes at Halifax and Southport is pretty much spot on...
Excellent post
Jimmy like many others need to wake up and realise we are in one hell of a battle to stay up now
I don't know whats wrong with the pitch, but its unacceptable
Also the squad issue lack of players will cost us, welcome news this new lad but to little to late, we needed to act in the autumn.
I leave it to others to discuss the merits of the management, most know my views on it. But your reference to Southport and Halifax highlights what could have been if we had been brave enough, alas not and we are where we are
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I see the usual doom mongers are having a field day.
Being positive,.... we have at least 2, nearly 3 home games in hand on those above us and hopefully this new winger will replace Clee's creativity and we havent been playing too badly of late, just not been scoring enough goals.
We just need a win or two to give us fans a lift, we do usually do better against the top sides dont we. Plus, if we can beat Leamington and Bognor and it will look a lot different then.
Cheers up you lot ;)
Games in hand don't mean to much at the bottom of the league Pukka, particular for a side that can't score for toffee
Keep your chin up and stay positive though
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Jimmy, the 27 from 26 thing is becoming pretty irrelevant I'm afraid. We are on a downward spiral with very few players. While I'm obviously delighted we've brought in the young lad from Burnley, it's just not enough. As others have said, at the very least we need a proper right back and probably one or two more to be honest. Also, I don't pretend to be a expert on ground maintenance, but it's been bucketing down here in Chorley for bloody weeks now and yet they managed to get their game on today.
It won't get much credence on here I know, but vod's point about the managerial changes at Halifax and Southport is pretty much spot on...
Excellent post
Jimmy like many others need to wake up and realise we are in one hell of a battle to stay up now
I don't know whats wrong with the pitch, but its unacceptable
Also the squad issue lack of players will cost us, welcome news this new lad but to little to late, we needed to act in the autumn.
I leave it to others to discuss the merits of the management, most know my views on it. But your reference to Southport and Halifax highlights what could have been if we had been brave enough, alas not and we are where we are
your missing my point
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I agree, 27 from 26 is now irrelevant.
Do you know we have won ONE league point since 21st November, and furthermore, there won't be another one available until, at the very earliest, 23rd January. Even then, who could possibly hope to gain a point at a rampant Grimsby? That game is followed by home games against bogey sides Woking and Dover. We could still have 27 points on 6th February.
missing my point someone said he was surprised it's took this long to be in bottom 4 I said with our points I'm not I never said anything about not being in trouble
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Even then, who could possibly hope to gain a point at a rampant Grimsby?
Would that be the same Grimsby who would have been expected to turn us over in every one of the 6 previous encounters, but have yet to beat us ?
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There's a few unfair points made about our pitch here.
We all know the water table is very high in the Trafford area, something we can only hope to maintain after it raining pretty much every day since mid-December.
We have a carpet under good conditions, dirt bikes wouldn't seem out of place on some teams' surfaces at the best of times but at least we have that. We're not Manchester United with a name-your-price drainage system, we're a non league club and we're just going to have to accept that heavy rain brings about that nasty puddle by the corner flag.
Postponements happen. At the very least, we go about them in a professional manner and give the opposition a fair head's up.
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There's a few unfair points made about our pitch here.
We all know the water table is very high in the Trafford area, something we can only hope to maintain after it raining pretty much every day since mid-December.
We have a carpet under good conditions, dirt bikes wouldn't seem out of place on some teams' surfaces at the best of times but at least we have that. We're not Manchester United with a name-your-price drainage system, we're a non league club and we're just going to have to accept that heavy rain brings about that nasty puddle by the corner flag.
Postponements happen. At the very least, we go about them in a professional manner and give the opposition a fair head's up.
we call games of early because we don't want to pay for the opponents traveling fee,I'd say sometimes to early
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As pointed out elsewhere, we haven't been playing badly, but we haven't been taking chances and winning games, that's the key. I'd still like to see another forward and another player with pace coming in. Circumstances have dictated that we may find ourselves in a bit of a fix come the last week in January. But we can only play when we can play. First job is to hopefully get through against Leamington. They will be bang up for it, they have a manager under pressure and he'll be filling their heads with "fancy dans" "don't fancy it" "big time Charlie" which we all know is frankly nonsense. We need to play to our potential and get ourselves in to the next round. Same applies to the Bognor fixture. Neither will be easy games, but both are games we can win. Giving us a place in the last 16. We can't do anything about the league at the moment, with cup commitments and postponements except hope for a draw between Torquay & welling on Tuesday.
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There's a few unfair points made about our pitch here.
We all know the water table is very high in the Trafford area, something we can only hope to maintain after it raining pretty much every day since mid-December.
We have a carpet under good conditions, dirt bikes wouldn't seem out of place on some teams' surfaces at the best of times but at least we have that. We're not Manchester United with a name-your-price drainage system, we're a non league club and we're just going to have to accept that heavy rain brings about that nasty puddle by the corner flag.
Postponements happen. At the very least, we go about them in a professional manner and give the opposition a fair head's up.
If it's just the bit in the corner that's causing all the postponements would some sort of cover for that small area not be idea?
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I'm a glass half full kind of person and always look on the positive side of things as life is too short to be negative but even I'm starting to get a small case of the jitters with the current situation. I know we have 3 games in hand on a lot of the other teams in the league, but a bottom 4 position now is going to make the rest of the season a bit interesting to say the least.
The new loan this week looks a really good one but I, along with lots here, were expecting more than just one announcement. I'm assuming more plans are in progress and more announcements are imminent but I'm not so sure they will be as the club seems to do the bare minimum to get by in these kind of situations (perhaps I'm being unfair here, but that's the way it looks without any inside details). Nothing wrong with financial prudence but sometimes you have to speculate a bit more to accumulate, if at least to halt the possibility of dropping down at the end of the season and the obvious financial negatives that would bring with it.
Just my thoughts...
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At the risk of being accused of speaking the bleeding obvious, on has to look at the table here. And when I refer to 'the table' I mean the table on the main website which I find really helpful, and I would draw the attention of the reader to the final 2 columns of the table...
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/leaguetable.htm
So, its true that we have a diminished squad, and my analysis take no account of that. However, on the positive...look at the top 11 sides - we have played 9 of them away already. Arguably 9 of our 11 toughest games are done by Jan. This is good
Also, look at the top 2 - we won't be meeting either of these sides again this season. Also good.
Look at the ratio of home:away games to play for the rest of the season :- 12:8. And of those 8 away games, 6 are lower half of the league. Also good.
And although we are 21st in the league, you have to look to position 18 before you find anyone else able to get > 1 point per game average. OK...we have a bit of a backlog of game which is not good, but based on the previous statistical analysis, even a TV weather girl would realise that we have managed > 1 point/game despite playing an undue amount of tricky games early in the season.
Sinin/Sinout/Sinwhogivesaf**kitsatoughjobinatoughleaguewithnotahugeaountofcashtosplashsowhoamitojudge
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At the risk of being accused of speaking the bleeding obvious, on has to look at the table here. And when I refer to 'the table' I mean the table on the main website which I find really helpful, and I would draw the attention of the reader to the final 2 columns of the table...
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/leaguetable.htm
So, its true that we have a diminished squad, and my analysis take no account of that. However, on the positive...look at the top 11 sides - we have played 9 of them away already. Arguably 9 of our 11 toughest games are done by Jan. This is good
Also, look at the top 2 - we won't be meeting either of these sides again this season. Also good.
Look at the ratio of home:away games to play for the rest of the season :- 12:8. And of those 8 away games, 6 are lower half of the league. Also good.
And although we are 21st in the league, you have to look to position 18 before you find anyone else able to get > 1 point per game average. OK...we have a bit of a backlog of game which is not good, but based on the previous statistical analysis, even a TV weather girl would realise that we have managed > 1 point/game despite playing an undue amount of tricky games early in the season.
Sinin/Sinout/Sinwhogivesaf**kitsatoughjobinatoughleaguewithnotahugeaountofcashtosplashsowhoamitojudge
I generally agree with your analysis except that we tend to draw or lose against the worse teams in the league
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As pointed out elsewhere, we haven't been playing badly, but we haven't been taking chances and winning games, that's the key. I'd still like to see another forward and another player with pace coming in. Circumstances have dictated that we may find ourselves in a bit of a fix come the last week in January. But we can only play when we can play. First job is to hopefully get through against Leamington. They will be bang up for it, they have a manager under pressure and he'll be filling their heads with "fancy dans" "don't fancy it" "big time Charlie" which we all know is frankly nonsense. We need to play to our potential and get ourselves in to the next round. Same applies to the Bognor fixture. Neither will be easy games, but both are games we can win. Giving us a place in the last 16. We can't do anything about the league at the moment, with cup commitments and postponements except hope for a draw between Torquay & welling on Tuesday.
thats what makes it more worrying, i agree we haven't actually been playing that badly, yet we still cant win or even score often enough, a point away at chester is a good point however we need more. Do you think teams like Dartford and Alfreton played badly every game last season? no. they played well sometimes but still lost and thus got relegated which is what we are in danger of. Having games in hand at the bottom of the table is all well and good but points on the board is much more preferable. This new signing is promising and hopefully will give us a much needed boost, however we need more and we have been hit severely by second season syndrome; whilst our away form is surely one of the worst of any of the top 5 leagues in England. Granted the injuries haven't been a help however if we had a bigger squad they wouldn't have affected us so much. Other players such as James Lawrie and Adam Griffin have majorly underperformed this season as-well. as for relegation, can easily see it happening if we carry on the way we have been then it'll be more a question of when than if. The bottom line is I've read enough posts on here from way back when saying, "if we win this today we can put some serious daylight between us and the bottom 4" but every time we bottled it and hence we find ourselves in the current predicament. got to hope we can pull something out of the bag against grimsby and then go on a run.
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I have never been convinced we'd survive from the off. With the season ending injuries to Densmore and Clee I can't see us getting out of the mire. Much as I welcomes me the loanee we need at least a couple more.
I don't think we covered ourselves in glory with the aparant reluctantance to play Tuesday and the early postponement yesterday.
Not a great start to 2016.
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The pitch wasn't playable on Tuesday mate.They can say what they like, it wasn't safe.
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The pitch wasn't playable on Tuesday mate.They can say what they like, it wasn't safe.
So if it had gone ahead there would have been a high risk of more injuries.
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That and a complete farce of a football match. Three parts of the pitch were essentially quick sand. If you look at the pictures of the remedial work they've had to carry out over the last few days it tells its own story.
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The pitch wasn't playable on Tuesday mate.They can say what they like, it wasn't safe.
I don't disagree but they've done a job on us media wise
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The pitch wasn't playable on Tuesday mate.They can say what they like, it wasn't safe.
I don't disagree but they've done a job on us media wise
Not really, no one will really care in a couple of weeks
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Does anyone care even now?
Having seen the state of their pitch it was the right descision and I thought their whining about it just looked totally unprofessional and showed total contempt for the wellbeing of their players.
The pitch wasn't playable on Tuesday mate.They can say what they like, it wasn't safe.
I don't disagree but they've done a job on us media wise
Not really, no one will really care in a couple of weeks
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I see on the main site, in the article titled "Numbers to think about" that we now have "5 senior players ruled out for a significant period".
The article names Damien Reeves as one of those five. Is his period of injury now thought to be long term? Anyone ITK here?
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I see on the main site, in the article titled "Numbers to think about" that we now have "5 senior players ruled out for a significant period".
The article names Damien Reeves as one of those five. Is his period of injury now thought to be long term? Anyone ITK here?
As a (potential) positive, Damian's absence and the signing of a right winger bodes well for playing a balanced 4-5-1 without trying to play 2 up front or just generally put square pegs in round roles
Lose Ranks and we're screwed...
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I see on the main site, in the article titled "Numbers to think about" that we now have "5 senior players ruled out for a significant period".
The article names Damien Reeves as one of those five. Is his period of injury now thought to be long term? Anyone ITK here?
As a (potential) positive, Damian's absence and the signing of a right winger bodes well for playing a balanced 4-5-1 without trying to play 2 up front or just generally put square pegs in round roles
Lose Ranks and we're screwed...
Yes, I suppose a return to a five man midfield would probably help, given the lack of success with the two up front option.
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I see on the main site, in the article titled "Numbers to think about" that we now have "5 senior players ruled out for a significant period".
87 : the number of days of the last close season without a home game - it doesnt feel as long as this break ! (18/04/15 Telford -> 14/07/15 Wigan)